Objective:Health - Is No-Virus Theory a Psy-Op?

nedlud this idea of "health" is really skewed nowadays, people believe that it is some magical thing that can be bought, achieved or put in a purse. In our body what we perceive as "health" is just the normal body function. Whatever impairs that function causes disease. So instead of focusing on health we should focus on eliminating harm.

Health = normal body function

Disease = lack of that function

Sunny Thanks. Also should define health vs. fitness.

luke I've seen quite a few on here. I'm sure they'll be in these comments arguing about it having not watched the video.

luke I am, and I am well beyond the stage of arguing.

You are free to believe what you want.

luke So, you must be the virus loonie. Show us the proof that viruses exist. Looking at a computer generated virus is not a proof. I have not received any vaccines whatsoever, and never will. I don't get sick and am around homo sapiens every day (unfortunately most of these specimen have been tagged with the genetically modifying vaxx) and I am still alive and healthy and I keep to stay that way. So what's up with the vaccinated virus loonies who end up with so called 'Covid' over and over again. Don't they have anything else to do but to swab their noses with the toxic Covid stick? You know, there is a real life outside of the Covid hoax.

It seems that you get your truthful news from the mainstream media. So, why are you here?

earthwatcher LOL, you show the typical completely jumbled thinking of the no-virus crowd. Just talking points, no substance, no curiosity, no deep thinking. As if you must run around screeming "show me prooooooff of virrruussses" to critizise vaccines or the whole Covid nonsense.

luke You seem very confident that your brain is capable of deep thinking. Good for you, mate. Go get your boosters; they kill the viruses, but you already know that. Don't complain if you suddenly drop dead and you are looking at your dead body. Being dead is a lot of fun.

luke You seem very confident that your brain is capable of deep thinking. Good for you, mate. Go get your boosters; they kill the viruses, but you already know that. Don't complain if you suddenly drop dead and you are looking at your dead body. Being dead is a lot of fun.

You are right, because there are only two options: either you deny that viruses exist or you are a pro-vaxxer who loves lockdowns and Klaus Schwab. Brilliant logic.

nowhereman Sorry, but you seem confused. Everything you wrote in the middle paragraph is true. But that doesn't mean in the least that viruses aren't real.

Someone desperately wants to keep us from looking into the virus issue. What better way to do that than convince alternative researchers that viruses don't exist and that there's nothing to see?

Don't fall for the no-virus sophistry and the silly talk about how you define "isolation". They have trapped themselves in a schizophrenic hall of mirrors and can't realize it. We, however, can.

luke Yeah, I know. Maybe one day you'll realize that germ theory is just that, a theory, and not a "fact".

Germ theory is used to mask the environmental degradation cause by industrialization. How can you go against what the powers that be call "progress".

J ust look at where they have been changing definitions of late. If they can redefine the term "vaccine" to include a gene therapy that does not prevent illness then by all means, go with it if you require that belief to keep your world view safe. Riots are "mostly "peaceful" yet protests against government stupidity are "insurrections". Abortion advocates say "my body my choice", but that doesn't apply to forced vaccination. Get my drift?

Now they're doing it with the term "inflation". Nothing means anything unless "they" say so. Maybe you're happy with that, some of us aren't. We are happy that you are willing to be lead around by the "narrative", good luck with that, but that doesn't mean that we will sit back and allow you to tell us what to believe. All you vaccinated individuals that can't accept that you've been manipulated into destroying your future health, and demand we do so as well, is actually a good definition of what it means to be "woke".

nowhereman You didn't get my point, like, at all. Strange.

luke I think the fear is that if looked into even deeper, it will provide evidence for intelligent design and the fact that humanity has been developed and driven by viruses, used to reprogram the populations by NHI. And the bigger fear will be that the whole of humanity realizes scientists are close to being able to do it themselves with some kind of competence.

nowhereman Good arguments and i agree.

Who ever wrote this, author = sott?, is trying the deep state tactic of labelling someone a conspiracy theorist for questioning unproven narratives.

Sam bailey, a doctor in NZ is questioning it. She's no conspiracy theorist. But is going down the terrain theory track.

Nothing wrong with questioning everything. Contrarian style. Or it's my firm belief not to have firm beliefs haha.

Some believe at sott we evolved from virus theory haha. Maybe we devolve into them.

Jason Your reasoning is so jumbled, black-and-white, and all over the place, it's hilarious.

Artex Hi, what is NHI?

stevejc non-human intelligence

Artex Hi, Does God, Our Creator, fit into this somewhere? I mean, is 'He' not aware of NHI or whatever other shenanigans? If so, then what is there to fear?

Artex Hi, Does God, Our Creator, fit into this somewhere?

No, because that god doesn't actually exist. See David Ray Griffin's "God Exists, But Gawd Does Not".

I mean, is 'He' not aware of NHI or whatever other shenanigans?

No, because 'he' doesn't exist.

If so, then what is there to fear?

It is not so and so there is reason for concern.

adanie15 Are you Artex? Did you change your user name? Anyway, all indigenous peoples would feel sorry for you. Now and coming is and will be very difficult for everyone. I hope you can take a break. A real break, to learn what really matters before it's too late. Maybe go into Nature, look around and be still, and when nighttime comes can wonder about the stars.

Hope you can make a fire for cooking something nice, sing a song and consider to leave your held-fast bogeyman virus theory and tie at office, since maybe it's restricting your blood flow from your heart

luke Black and white or all over the place?

Make up your mind.

luke Black and white or all over the place?

Make up your mind.

You just literally gave an example for black and white thinking. Genius!

stevejc God would count, as the source of all intelligence. But what you call God I call The Universe, and others call Source.

As I've grown and studied, I've come closer to understanding the nature of what you call God. The smug dismissal of the existence of such is more a failure of understanding, or the willingness to explore consciousness and how it arises.

But what you might think of as an entity isn't. The Universe or God just is . The myriad gods, angels, demons, aliens, spirits, the non-corporeal things that humanity has reported interacting with since the beginning of time are NHI. What humans have experienced they have experienced through the lens of their own understanding. A good example of this is the Miracle at Fatima, which was witnessed by as many as 70,000 people. Only the 3 children heard the NHI speak. Many saw something , but the witnesses saw different things. Some saw the Virgin Mary. Others saw only a bright light. Still others saw a blue spiral of smoke.

Whitley Strieber in The Super Natural explains that this is how NHI communicates with us. What he first described as his own abduction, he has always maintained was merely his perception of what happened. He has never said that he was absolutely and unequivocally abducted, but only that he was most capable of experiencing the phenomenon as an abduction. He is a serial experiencer of these phenomena and has had other friends witness some of these phenomena without knowing that other people nearby were also having experiences at the same time, and they experienced different things.

I also tend toward the Gnostic idea that the God of Abraham is the demiurge, not the creator God, the first, but a material god, imperfect and jealous. There is One True God, but religions don't worship that God. They worship gods created in the image of man. And besides which, a perfect God would not need humans to worship it. It is something to be understood and accepted as part of life, but not to be worshiped.

luke ...sophistry...

Obviously, this will be the topic of study going through the comments.

Yeah, just throwing links to crazies out there is very convincing. I think I might start to believe in crackpot theories now too.

luke your reply is a disinformation tactic used by paid disinformation agents. Bravo for doing the work of the deep state. Watch the videos in the first two links, you may just learn something.

griever Not possible for those whose minds are closed.

griever No interest watching those videos. I watched a few of them (why is it always videos? Is it because the no-virus nonsense is less convincing when put into writing?) I also read the arguments to the extent that they have been written down. It's just a talking points fest that sucks in the gullible.

Did you no-virus guys know that one of yours, Mike Stone, comes to the conclusion that nucleic acid, proteins, and DNA/RNA don't exist? You see, those have never been "isolated and purified" either! That's what you get when you start from wrong premises. It's pathetic.

luke Are you one of the 60,000 employed by the CIA to come to sites like SOTT to disrupt and be generally antagonistic to everyone?

Sure seems like it.

luke I also doubt that many of them actually watched the show, which btw was well balanced with a repeated repeal to not go in to black and white thinking and to stay curious yet grounded. So far none of the commenters have come up with any evidence in writing for their no-virus theory which can be looked at and argued with. I fear that it will stay like that and perhaps due to an overactive left brain.

Aeneas How can a show be well balanced without having representation of both views and middle view as well? Further, a balanced round table discussion should also include some women, real women, not lady boys, and some older people as well.

There's no super strong proof for either position. It's a typical waste of time discussion

Okay great you believe this, good for you. Okay great you believe that, good for you. Meanwhile, both feeds the Beast system, and both wasting time, when could be out riding bicycle or walking around

Christian83 Really? What a weak ass retort. Are you CIA, wtf? What’s happened to my dear SOTT? The no virus theory may be valid or not however the one thing it does accomplish is squash all debate. Someone who’s speaking truth to power about these poisonous highly toxic vaccines is ridiculed incessantly by the peanut gallery for mentioning the “virus.” It’s bananas. Almost as bat shit crazy, childish and demeaning as you asking someone if they are part of a three letter agency for pointing out this sophistry.

BluLiteDancing It seems to me that he is here just to purposefully disrupt the feeds.

Weak ass retort. Goodness me.

I’m sorry my opinion isn’t up to your high standards. I’ll have to obviously practice my retorts eh?

Chill the fuck out. How’s that?

Christian83 - the best retorts dig deep and personal. Maybe blue-lite got up on the wrong side of the bed this morning. Seems that has been going around lately - spreading contagiously. Must be a virus.

Ken

Buffalo_Ken Well I’m not here to start throwing personal insults around. I wasn’t rude to whoever that person was so I don’t see the issue really. I asked a question, that was all.

I always question everything. I can’t help it.

But I’m noe registered with my local retort reform. I’ll be a qualified retortist I’m no time.

Christian83 - the art of retort takes practice….I’m still learning.

It was good to see blue-lite around, cause it’s been awhile. Fuck the virus is what I think. Fuck the virus and the virus debate - tis a waste of time.

Buffalo_Ken Right on.

Christian83

It seems to me that he is here just to purposefully disrupt the feeds.

His profile says he's a SOTT editor since 2015, and I'm pretty sure Luke is "Luc" in the podcast.

BlackCartouche - interesting. Usually, I check, but I didn’t on this occasion. Who needs a consultant that just stirs up trouble? Consultants ought be problem solvers. I’ve learned over long years in the consultancy profession, often tis best to keep quiet if you really want to help. A consultant who can’t do this is not worth hiring.

BlackCartouche A consultant who can’t do this is not worth hiring.

One time I was in a meeting as a young consultant and these fellas from DuPont were trying to tell the state regulators how things were going to go down with respect to the permitting process. I realized then how much help a good consultant can be…I knew then, change was on the way.

Buffalo_Ken - you know, that project was one of the last billion $ type projects in North Carolina god-dammit in the chemical industry and it is time for the pendulum to swing back around on that because North Carolina is the place to be. They were wanting to make PET using terephthalic acid, which is a powder versus dimethyl terephthalate, a liquid if the temperature is proper. When ethylene glycol reacts with TPA ( you figure it out ) no methanol by-product is formed, whereas in contrast when EG reacts with DMT methanol is formed. So anyhow, this was in the early 90’s. My, how things have changed since then. A consultant who can’t do this is not worth hiring.

PET = polyethylene terephthalate = a polymer, a plastic one used by many and all over the place

I got some ideas about better plastics in the future. I’ll share them. Maybe there will be a campfire we are around, and then I’ll tell. BK

Buffalo_Ken

Consultants ought be problem solvers.

Really? Then how would they make money out of anyone if they solve everyones problems??

BlackCartouche - good question. I guess that is why I never made much money.

BlackCartouche - what do you think is the role of a consultant?

BlackCartouche - how about the consultant uses experiences and wisdom to solve problems regardless of compensation.

Christian83 “ Chill the fuck out…” I bet you don’t even see the absurd irony of that statement. You’re so lost in your inculcated cognitive dissonant bubble. You infered/asked this chap if he was CIA, ya punce lol! Who needs to chill. I think both assumptions about the virus question because that’s what they are can discussed openly w/o dismissive uptight clowns using ad hominem attacks. I happen disagree with the assumption that viruses “don’t” exist but it doesn’t preclude me from listening to Tsidkeno illuminating explanations. There is quite the cult of opinion here, where people congratulate and masturbate to each other’s opinions emoji’s and all. I like to keep an open mind, if possible. If anything the “no-virus” hypothesis stifles legitimate debate about the vaccines. Mention virus and the peanut gallery here tag teams you lol.

Christian83 I hate to break the news to you pal, but asking if someone is part of the CIA is a SUPREME insult. Are we clear chief?

BluLiteDancing I stand corrected I didn’t realise he was an editor. But I’m still not sure what the problem is to ask? Even editors can be paid by certain government agencies you know? In fact it’s well known that these are positions actively pursued by these agencies. Now I’m not saying he is but it doesn’t hurt to keep an open mind.

Now I’m often wrong, but I’m constantly learning so these things happen. It’s all part of growing and learning so I still think you should chill the fuck out. I’m relatively young, I’m trying to keep an open mind but I’m always going to make mistakes.

I asked a question. It’s not like I screamed accusations at the guy so yeah chill the fuck out.

I apologise, on this occasion I am probably wrong, big I’m still open to the tiny possibility.

And you really lose the moral high ground with this sort of shit

where people congratulate and masturbate to each other’s opinions emoji’s and all.

So leave it out buddy. Mistakes happen, I’m big enough to realise that and apologised accordingly. Ok?

So, chill the fuck out S-)

Christian83 “lose the moral high ground” to you, funny…I didn’t think there was any moral high ground to be had here. The difference between moi & others on this site, is I’m not in it for the popularity contest. Be that as it may, point taken…SOTT is a very special place filled with very illuminating, robust, intellectual nomads. A dying breed….sadly. 🙇‍♂️

Buffalo_Ken I think "consultation" should be freely given if living within a community context, and if those 'consulted' in the community benefits from it and wants to give the 'consultor' some money in return to show their appreciation, as a way of giving something back of value to the 'consultor', then that's all well and good... Great! Otherwise, being a Consultant as a 'profession' is just a way of someone (the Consultant) wanting to make money without putting in any real hard work in life. OSIT.

BluLiteDancing I accept your position BLD and I hope you can understand where I’m coming from? I’m not here for popularity, I’m here for the information and even more so, the community. What I like about this place is that (not always) we can have a disagreement without it getting personal you know? Where as in the twittersphere you are pilloried lol. I hope we can have future communications whether good or bad my friend as well maybe we will learn something new.

Thank you for your reply Blue, I hope you and yours are well and I look forward to hearing from you soon

Buffalo_Ken I think "consultation" should be freely given if living within a community context, and if those 'consulted' in the community benefits from it and wants to give the 'consultor' some money in return to show their appreciation, as a way of giving something back of value to the 'consultor', then that's all well and good... Great! Otherwise, being a Consultant as a 'profession' is just a way of someone (the Consultant) wanting to make money without putting in any real hard work in life. OSIT.

All of that made sense till the ending semantic games. I’m a professional ESHA consultant and I do good work. I get pleasure out of being a good consultant, and hire me if you are not looking for somebody to kiss your ass, but rather have a problem in need of a solution. So denigrate consultants all you want. It is just your sentiment. I decided a long time ago to pick and choose the clients I wanted. I’m lucky to be able to do that. I’m thankful.

Buffalo_Ken Put it down to my ignorance. If it helps, I consider most professions nowadays in our tech-driven societies to be geared toward people "wanting to make money without putting in any real hard work in life."

BlackCartouche As a former consultant in project development I agree with both of you. A good consultant (any field) is a useful person that can help a lot of business partners in little time with his/her expertise and so help the partners avoid possible costly future errors. But to be a good consultant one need a lot of on the job actual experience and knowledge ("putting in real hard work"), being a junior consultant is not enough. And because consultants are well paid, this job is desired by those that "just want to make money without putting any real hard work", and is used as a stepping stone to a very well paid position, junior consultant to become senior consultant. A good consultant has to have done the work themselves, as a junior, being an assistant is not enough. Of course it also depends in the sphere of consultancy. The can be some where just good knowledge is enough, and practical experience is not necessarily required.

Levi I'm a property lettings agent. Like most everyone else, I started out hoping to use it as a stepping stone to "wanting to make money without putting in any real hard work in life." But it didn't turn out that way, LOL.

BlackCartouche Of course, it is not a stepping stone, that is wishful thinking. Only works if you have no friends/family above to promote you.

Levi and the impetuousness of youth.

Chr‌istian83 Are you one of the 60,000 employed by the CIA to come to sites like SOTT to disrupt and be generally antagonistic to everyone?

Sure seems like it.

Wooo, yeah, bring it. Friction brewing here. Raises awareness to mention itC83, and then BC easily teases it out.

stevejc a DIEing academy flunky and BluLiteDancing gave tsidkeno a reach-around. kudos BLD, but no, asking if someone is CIA is not a supreme insult. Gonna have differing opinions, but you're going to qualify people who agree with each other as a cult of opinion?

you did broach sophistry and seem halfway earnest, which is not half as earnest as Ken who gets so much free talk therapy here! Ken your consultancy is appreciated, but at times hilarious to me because I'm a jerk. Yes, this has no bananas, vis a vis virus theory, but regards psyops.

damn the [Link] with no description, you want to post one as support for your point, okay, but otherwise poor effort.

First of all it's not a no-virus-theory. (Leaving aside the issue that the word theory has multiple meanings, there's at least the general language one, and the scientific one that comes after hypothesis and experiment)

Ah yes. You have never thought deeply about science and the scientific method. Got ya.

It's not the proposal of a new theory, it's the examination, refutation, debunking of the existing theory, the one posing the existance of viruses.

More like: a total and utterly strange obsession with proving viruses don't exist, which is apparent to any sane observer looking into your hall of mirrors from the outside. A colossal exercise of running in circles and wasting energy.

I especially liked when (around 38mins) Luc proposed that labwork is such a complicated procedure, so people look at it and think it's voodoo. In what way is that better than what politicians have been doing for the past two-and-a-half years, when they dismissed peoples' concerns about measures or vaccines? Apart from being an ad-hominem, this asserts that people are too dumb to do their own research, so better leave it up to the experts! I thought SOTT exists in part to inform people and thus enable them to find (mental) empowerment and to take responsibility for their own life?

You mix up all kinds of issues here to make an argument. It won't fly.

It's not that we can't understand what's going on in labs or that we are too stupid. It's the pathological obsession of the no-virus crowd with proving that viruses don't exist, instead of being truly interested to learn more and figure out what might be really going on. Many options, many nuances.

What I see in the no-virus crowd hardly goes beyond consulting a dictionary, looking up the word "isolation", and start reeeeeing. Not my kind of truth seeking, and pretty stupid.

Critics of virus theory also don't say "oh it hasn't been isolated according to MY definition of isolated". They haven't been isolated according to THE (general) definition of the term.

Yeah, because science is about consulting a dictionary that some English professor wrote, and then proclaiming things don't exist if they don't fit the dictionary definition. I think we got a new Einstein here, or Karl Popper, or Werner Heisenberg.

Without these things being isolated, that is seperated from all the other material that can be found in a cell (which is A LOT), scientists don't have a proper independent variable. They cannot do experiments, where they change just this one variable in order to find out if it has any causal relationship to what they're looking for (e.g. disease). This makes virology a pseudoscience, per definition.

LOL. You have never thought deeply about science and the scientific method, did you. You just repeat the same old silly talking points.

Independent variable... Isolation... Blabla... Does a radiowave exist? An electron? DNA? RNA? A hormone? The stars? This is ridiculous. (Again, one of yours, the one and only Mike Stone, denies the existence of hormones and DNA etc. At least he's consistent in his crackpotism.)

My favorite showcase of no-virus crackpotism is a discussion between Kaufmann and Judy Mikovitz, where Judy keeps starting to tell fascinating things about her science, and Kaufmann, like the true lunatic he is, keeps interrupting her, spitting "the dictionary says thisssss!! Isolation! Dictionary!!!" Insanity.

It's also laughable they (mainly Eliott) keep coming back to covid (or other "viral infections") having specific symptoms, although I can recall many articles posted on this site, that rightly complain about the nonspecificity of covid symptoms (and how they seem to conjure new additional symptoms out of thin air for every alleged variant). This nonspecificity is not only constrained to covid, or flu, or colds in general, but to most disease.

MASSIVE jumping to conclusions. To most disease? Seriously?? Like the chicken pox I got as a child after visiting my sick buddy - clearly could have been anything! Repeated, direct experience is as real as it gets, but the no-virus people try to gaslight us into believing it's all in our heads, 5G, blabla.

Then they say insisting on Koch's postulates is inadequate and outdated, when even virologists often deem them important - like in the original covid paper, even. So this is another strawman.

Nah. Treating Koch's postulates (that he actually has never formulated like he's said to have) as gospel truth and then denying everything that supposedly doesn't fit is plain silly. The fact that virologists can be just as confused doesn't prove your point.

At around 46mins: Not having a better explanation for the observed phenomena (disease) is not an argument against the dismantling of an existing theory. I'm baffled at how many "awake" people still make this error in logic. You are conflating two seperate issues.

No, it's the no-virus people who always conflate the issues. See the responses here. They mix up everything under the sun to prove their point. For example, most of them are "terrain absolutists" without any reason. Even if it's not viruses, it could be something else, viruses may be different from what we assume them to be, or... No need to deny contagion is real, as humanity has always known even without any theory.

Lanka, apart from not being the only one, did not set out to prove his theory on ("viral") disease. He did the same experiment that virologists do by the thousands, except he also did proper controls. You know, the thing you do so you know it's not the experimental setup that is causing the observed effects? (virologists sometimes claim they're doing controls, but if you look into it, it's always bogus, since they're comparing different things, or treating the samples differently - e.g. extracting cell debris soup from a patient and administering it to living cells vs. the control just being administered saline, not cell debris, and the cells not dieing).

Same talking points over and over and over again. It doesn't prove anything, and just shows that you guys bring a whole load of simplistic assumptions to the table without realizing it. Might be a good exercise for you to think about it.

Then they say something along the lines of: one scientist being right does not invalidate what all the others observed. Of course this sentece is true, but that is not what is happening here, see my previous explanations. It's not a comparison between singular studies, it's an exemplary critique of the methods of the field, which of course (scientifically) has to be followed by more research by independent people. In the meantime however, it is quite easy to look at the virologists' methods yourself and conclude their inadequacy, all you need is time and an open mind. Then you might realize how the whole field is a house of cards, built on some fraudulent research 70+ years ago (many financed by Rockefeller institutions), that has never been adequately evaluated and now it's "too big to fail".

How does Reeeing about dictionary definitions and primitive assumptions about science, the scientific method, and a crazy obsession with disproving the existence of viruses help though? It just derails critical researchers and vectors them into running in circles while believing they are oh-so smart. Time and an open mind will lead you to the conclusion that it's all not so simple, not so black and white, and all very complex and nuanced.

Virology is at its core confirmation bias. Take some allegedly diseased cells, extract an unknown amount of debris (of which you declare to contain the cause of disease). Put that soup on some abnormal (monkey kidney, or human cancer) cells, stress them, give them too little to eat, stress them some more (transfer them to another petri dish), repeat. After some time observe them dieing (having no controls to rule out the method as cause). Extracting cell debris soup from there and hacking the contained DNA/RNA into little peaces (for easier sequencing). Sequence the parts and have them re-assembled by a computer algorithm (that only the manufacturer knows) which is basically assembling a puzzle from millions of pieces (and you don't know the solution) - to make that easier it is compared to other known "viruses" that have been "assembled" by the same method, which makes this a big hen-and-egg problem (or circular reasoning, if you will).

Same tiresome talking points. Uninteresting. Unimaginative. We are dealing with information here, and science is clearly onto something, even though they, just like the no-virus people, often work under questionable assumptions. Figuring out the details and what's going on with information in the viral/sub-optical realm is what's needed. Won't happen if all you do is reeing about dictionaries and wrong, black-and-white ideas about the scientific method.

Note that I've simplified the process massively here, and each step introduces massive amounts of uncertainty and thus gets you further away from reality.

I know all the talking points. They are boring and have the flavor of fanatic priests spitting nonsense from the pulpit. They don't change my assessment.

Just look at the original covid paper: "In total, we generated 56,565,928 sequence reads that were de novo-assembled and screened for potential aetiological agents." Do you realize how many ways there are of combining 56 million reads(puzzle pieces)? Even if you only look for a combination that's 20 pieces long, that's a 3 with 136 zeroes! They're telling you themselves how bogus their methods are.

Rigid, unsophisticated thinking combined with jumping to conclusions. Not saying the covid paper is right necessarily, but when dealing with information and pattern recognition based on knowledge about the molecular realm, we are very, very far from randomness and chance.

But it's not for me to tell you what to think. Go ahead, keep believing in the hot air that virology and other pseudosciences (experts) keep spurning out and keep you in a (medical) mind-prison. Your choice.

I share the sentiment. But I want to save some people who might be reading this from the clutches of the no-virus fanatics. Crackpotism is not good for the soul and vectors people away from real research into what's going on.

Richer Thank you for that excellent and thorough rebuttal of SOTT editors utter ignorance of the real issues at play.

LOL, you guys are really poster boys of Dunning-Kruger.

I recommend reading Iain McGilchrist's "The Matter With Things". Trigger warning: it's a book, not a video. It is long. It contains deep and nucanced thought.

But it might help you shed your delusions.

Richer Yikes. Are they going to try selling 3 with 136 million zeroes of variants to the sleepers.

If the real cause of disease is toxicity, then the most toxic are going to be the sickest … isn’t that what’s happening. QED.

They looked at the methods these so-called scientists use in detail

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"They" are the types of people that misrepresent studies.

Hope all y'all no-virus people will be prepared when an actual dangerous and deadly virus makes its rounds.

luke Do we really need to do this? Alright.

Ah yes. You have never thought deeply about science and the scientific method. Got ya.

Definitions of theory:

1. A set of statements or principles devised to explain a group of facts or phenomena, especially one that has been repeatedly tested or is widely accepted and can be used to make predictions about natural phenomena.

2. The branch of a science or art consisting of its explanatory statements, accepted principles, and methods of analysis, as opposed to practice.

3. A set of theorems that constitute a systematic view of a branch of mathematics.

4. Abstract reasoning; speculation.

5. A belief or principle that guides action or assists comprehension or judgment.

6. An assumption based on limited information or knowledge; a conjecture.

You're using it in the sense of #6, while a scientific theory is #1 - a proposed explanation for observation. The point is you can never prove something does not exist, because there is no observation to explain.

Definitons of scientific method (there are more):

the technique used in the construction and testing of a scientific hypothesis

a method of research in which a problem is identified, relevant data are gathered, a hypothesis is formulated from these data, and the hypothesis is empirically tested

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More like: a total and utterly strange obsession with proving viruses don't exist, which is apparent to any sane observer looking into your hall of mirrors from the outside. A colossal exercise of running in circles and wasting energy.

Again you have not understood what I said ("It's not the proposal of a new theory, it's the examination, refutation, debunking of the existing theory, the one posing the existance of viruses.")

None of "us" wants to prove anything. This is not how this works. You cannot prove there are no unicorns. We are pointing out the flaws in a "proof" of existence that other people made (virologists). There is no hall of mirrors, there is no exercise except looking at how others arrived at a conclusion. This exercise has, in my opinion been quite worthwhile in freeing me from the delusions modern medicine had put on me.

It's not that we can't understand what's going on in labs or that we are too stupid.

It's not that YOU can't understand, my issue is YOU said WE or anyone else (non-virologists) cannot understand the methods.

What I see in the no-virus crowd hardly goes beyond consulting a dictionary, looking up the word "isolation", and start reeeeeing. Not my kind of truth seeking, and pretty stupid.

Yeah, because science is about consulting a dictionary that some English professor wrote, and then proclaiming things don't exist if they don't fit the dictionary definition. I think we got a new Einstein here, or Karl Popper, or Werner Heisenberg.

You are, again completely missing the issue here. I couldn't care less about definitions of words if reality works different from them (which is actually the case most of the time). We arrive at talking about definitions, since virologists use the word completely differently than the rest of the population. In this way they are being dishonest and misrepresent their own experiments.

Nothing has been proclaimed here. Keep your kindergarden ad-hominems in the bag. It's hard enough to take you serious as is.

LOL. You have never thought deeply about science and the scientific method, did you. You just repeat the same old silly talking points.

You don't seem to have looked at, understood, and thought logically about the methods of virologists (which is the only thing I'm criticizing here, not science as a whole, which also flew over your head somehow).

Independent variable... Isolation... Blabla... Does a radiowave exist? An electron? DNA? RNA? A hormone? The stars? This is ridiculous.

If you don't like my words, tell me how to construct an experiment where you want to find a causal relationship. Saying "blabla" does not invalidate any of my points. Neither does changing the subject. Extrapolating to deeply different fields of science in order to validate one specific field is a pathetic strawman attempt. Physics is not the issue here, virology is.

My favorite showcase of no-virus crackpotism is a discussion between Kaufmann and Judy Mikovitz, where Judy keeps starting to tell fascinating things about her science, and Kaufmann, like the true lunatic he is, keeps interrupting her, spitting "the dictionary says thisssss!! Isolation! Dictionary!!!" Insanity.

Same issue as before. He tried to make her notice how people use the word with different definitions in mind. If you don't all use words with the same definitions, you can argue all you want, but communication will never happen. You're calling people crackpots for insisting on everyone using the same definitions of words.

(on my quote about nonspecificity of symptoms): MASSIVE jumping to conclusions. To most disease? Seriously?? Like the chicken pox I got as a child after visiting my sick buddy - clearly could have been anything! Repeated, direct experience is as real as it gets, but the no-virus people try to gaslight us into believing it's all in our heads, 5G, blabla.

Again, the issue isn't what it is in reality that's causing the symptoms. I've read about a few theories, but none fit perfectly imo. It could be the body getting rid of toxins (as in food) through the skin. But you don't need to come up with a better theory to dismantle an existing one. It's not hard to say we don't know.

But again that was missing the point. How do you explain respiratory "infections" being often accompanied by joint aches? How to you distinguish chickenpox, shingles, measles, smallpox, monkeypox, herpes, rashes, eczema and a whole lot more, without a test to help you?

How is visiting a sick buddy and later developing the same symptoms DIRECT PROOF? Imagine sailors going on a long trip on sea and one after the other developing tiredness, shortness of breath, muscle pain, gum disease and some even fever and convulsions. Would you theorize one or more were infected and spread it to the rest, even though the disease started only after a month on the sea? Because what you've just witnessed is classic scurvy (lack of vitamin C in food).

Of course it's not just in your heads, the symptoms are clear as day. Stop trying to assert critics of virology are denying disease. It's another pathetic attempt at making them look like deniers of reality.

Nah. Treating Koch's postulates (that he actually has never formulated like he's said to have) as gospel truth and then denying everything that supposedly doesn't fit is plain silly. The fact that virologists can be just as confused doesn't prove your point.

Nice retort "nah". As I said it's mainly some virologists themselves who hold Koch's posulates in high regard. I couldn't care less about what the guy actually postulated, but looking at them, you can see the logic. He is trying to come up with a method that ensures an independent variable! You know, a single knob you can turn, to find out if it, and it alone causes the observed disease. I'd say it was a pretty good effort for the time, and making a blanket statement like they're outdated or not important just shows your ignorance. You need some kind of framework to establish a causal relationship. On the whole this is only pointing out again, that this is just ignored in most of virology. They just proclaim that the cause of disease is in their cell culture soup and proceed confirmation biasing themselves.

(on: "Not having a better explanation for the observed phenomena (disease) is not an argument against the dismantling of an existing theory."): No, it's the no-virus people who always conflate the issues. See the responses here. They mix up everything under the sun to prove their point. For example, most of them are "terrain absolutists" without any reason. Even if it's not viruses, it could be something else, viruses may be different from what we assume them to be, or... No need to deny contagion is real, as humanity has always known even without any theory.

Yes, many people make it a single issue, which is wrong. Is that an attempt at excusing yourself, since others also make the mistake? Once again, the point is: not having a better explanation for observed phenomena after pointing out major flaws in one theory trying to explain it, does not in any way invalidate the pointing out of the flaws - these are two seperate steps. Criticizing theories opens science up to look for alternate explanations which they otherwise wouldn't have (recent example being altzheimers, the fudged amyloid plaque data that focused science on this singular theorized cause, delaying actual progress).

"Denying" contagion is the RESULT of discovering the inadequate evidence for viruses. It is the next step in thinking "okay, so if it can't be viruses, what else could account for the observed disease". It's not that we're denying contagion, is that it is based on viruses existing, so if that component falls away, it follows that we need to re-think contagion as well.

Same talking points over and over and over again. It doesn't prove anything, and just shows that you guys bring a whole load of simplistic assumptions to the table without realizing it. Might be a good exercise for you to think about it.

You're repeating "same talking points" without actually rebutting anything. And again missing the point, and again showing you haven't understood the core issue. No one can prove the absence of something. What I did is not a proof in any way. There are no assumptions in there. It is a description of the methods of virologists in simpler terms. It is so that you get your ass up and look at those methods. Only then can you decide for yourself if these methods are bogus or not.

How does Reeeing about dictionary definitions and primitive assumptions about science, the scientific method, and a crazy obsession with disproving the existence of viruses help though? It just derails critical researchers and vectors them into running in circles while believing they are oh-so smart. Time and an open mind will lead you to the conclusion that it's all not so simple, not so black and white, and all very complex and nuanced.

Again, ignoring the strawman ad-hominems (man, I just love those two words, don't I?). The point is virologists seem to have a different definition of science, scientific method, isolation, purification, infection and a slew of other words, than the rest of humanity, including other fields of science. You just cannot take them by their word. But you will only see that once you actually familiarize yourself with their methods. Which you guys seem not too keen on, since it's all oh-so complicated, lest we think it's voodoo.

Oh and since I apparently need to make it real simple:

case 1: foundation is solid. repeatedly pointing at non-existant flaws(because solid) makes researchers run in circles.

case 2: foundation is not solid. pointing out flaws helps researchers discard the bad theory and start working on finding the real causes.

I think you'd agree that we need to be able to point out flaws to have any chance at discerning right from wrong. This is the same argument for free speech. You want people to silence themselves because "all is well" from your viewpoint. You're no better than most politicians.

repeating misunderstood/misconstrued points about dictionaries and reeeing

I know all the talking points. They are boring and have the flavor of fanatic priests spitting nonsense from the pulpit. They don't change my assessment.

Says more about you and your assessment of people.

Imagine you want to introduce someone to the problems in the official report about what happened at 9/11. You'll point out to someone, how it's ludicrous that a few mostly untrained guys could have taken over multiple airliners with box-cutters and flew them through difficult manoeuvers into those buildings. Later he says he looked at it and thought it was a reasonable explanation. So you tell him again, but he stands his point and even thinks of alternative explanations. So on and so on until it escalates and you think either he does not want to know, or does not want to think about it logically or whatever. But you don't quite want to give up on him. This is where we are. People who have discovered virology's methods are bogus and want to point this out to others. That's all.

Rigid, unsophisticated thinking combined with jumping to conclusions. Not saying the covid paper is right necessarily, but when dealing with information and pattern recognition based on knowledge about the molecular realm, we are very, very far from randomness and chance.

Do you have any details on how what I said is rigid or unsophisticated? Of course I could have made more example calculations, because the length of the reads is variable and the length of the whole genome is variable, but leaving those out for brevity is.. unsophisticated? Pattern recognition, in case you missed it is based on previously known "viruses", which have been detected by the same methods. It's circular reasoning and creates endless possibilities for future pathogens to be found through confirmation bias. "Oh look, this one seems 87% simiar to a known coronavirus, if we assemble these reads in one out of 3.8*10 to the power of 136 ways. Time to declare to the world that we found a new pathogen!"

I share the sentiment. But I want to save some people who might be reading this from the clutches of the no-virus fanatics. Crackpotism is not good for the soul and vectors people away from real research into what's going on.

You want to "save" people from taking responsibility for themselves, being self-informed and making independent decisions, gotcha. So you baselessly call people who have done research (in an area that you haven't much) fanatics, crackpots, priests. While you can't differentiate between theory and pointing-out of flaws in another theory, between word-definitions and laboratory-methods.

Notice how you're the only one of us who resorted to ad-hominems, name-calling and blanket dismissals. This should tell the reader enough about who's got the bigger D. Cheerio.

Richer

Definition of theory

See, nobody who has done some serious reading on science and the scientific method and the myriad questions around it would even attempt to define the term "theory" and come to conclusions based on such a definition. Left hemisphere run amok again.

The whole no-virus argument is based on a strange obsessive mission to disprove viruses (I know one of the talking points is that this is not so, which is funny, because it so clearly is!), combined with a lack of curiosity, carried out by games of definition.

You just cannot take them by their word. But you will only see that once you actually familiarize yourself with their methods. Which you guys seem not too keen on, since it's all oh-so complicated, lest we think it's voodoo.

I have familiarized myself with their methods. What I see is some flaws based on materialist assumptions and pretending they know more than they do (same as in almost all other sciences), and a whole lot of fascinating research that raises many questions and piques my curiosity as to what viruses are, how they work, what their role is in information exchange, what role RNA and DNA play, what their function is in evolution and DNA changes, and many more things. It's fascinating.

luke Read a bit further and there is why we're talking about definitions.

IF. PEOPLE. DON'T. USE. THE. SAME. DEFINITIONS. OF. WORDS. THEY. ARE. TALKING. ABOUT. DIFFERENT. THINGS. WITHOUT. REALIZING.

You no understand. I out.

luke You also seem on strange obsessive mission to prove these things exist. What gives? Nothing interesting going in your life?

Again, the issue isn't what it is in reality that's causing the symptoms. I've read about a few theories, but none fit perfectly imo . It could be the body getting rid of toxins (as in food) through the skin. But you don't need to come up with a better theory to dismantle an existing one. It's not hard to say we don't know.

Frankly, viral theory appears to account for most of the observable phenomena RE infection, the symptomatic presentation, spread, and treatment response. Sorry, but it can't be denied.

Is it completely accurate? Doubtful. Do virologists have a reductionist and materialist conception of virus-as-pathogen? Yep. Are viruses "pathogens" in the sense of bacterial pathogens? I don't think so. But what even is a pathogen?

Immunology has progressed to such an extent over the past few decades the even the concept "pathogen" has become murky and difficult to define. Potential pathogens don't appear to have the capacity to trigger disease in every subject.

But again that was missing the point. How do you explain respiratory "infections" being often accompanied by joint aches?

This is fairly elementary and is known in the literature as "sickness behavior". It can include fatigue, body pain, depression, and sleepiness.

The immune dynamics differ to some extent between types of different infections (measurable and verifiable), but the response of the immune system involves the production of a variety of different pro-inflammatory cytokines. It turns out that the brain is designed to detect subtle changes in cytokine levels and mobilize systemic responses accordingly. It is involved in the initiation of a systemic inflammatory response. It also ramp up nociception (sensitivity of the neurons to painful stimuli) and tweaks a bunch of cool neural pathways which are designed to immobilize the body for as long as possible, to conserve resources for the immune system to deal with whatever threat its dealing with.

So, again, pretty straightforward. If you get an infection in your lungs, the body responds as a whole, because the body is whole. "Respiratory" and "lung" are just human classifications.

How to you distinguish chickenpox, shingles, measles, smallpox, monkeypox, herpes, rashes, eczema and a whole lot more, without a test to help you?

Well, chicken pox, shingles, measles, herpes and eczema all present completely differently, which can be seen with the (trained) naked eye But aside from the obvious differences (which really, are readily identifiable if you know what to look for)

When you do use tests, there are characteristic histological differences between each of those conditions. All of this is well documented and known (all of which you can find on pubmed) without investigation into viral etiology. In fact, confirmation of viral infection usually comes AFTER all of the other observations (which all line up perfectly well with the known mechanisms and manifestations of said viral infection)

How is visiting a sick buddy and later developing the same symptoms DIRECT PROOF? Imagine sailors going on a long trip on sea and one after the other developing tiredness, shortness of breath, muscle pain, gum disease and some even fever and convulsions. Would you theorize one or more were infected and spread it to the rest, even though the disease started only after a month on the sea? Because what you've just witnessed is classic scurvy (lack of vitamin C in food).

I see what you tried to do here, but sorry, its not gonna cut it. Scurvy is a bad example because nutritional deficiency does not present like this in modern 1st world countries. It rarely comes on immediately (unless there has been some significant traumatic event or major change).

Rather, it is a slow progressive decline and gradual onset of symptoms.And when talking about "toxicity", in reality it does NOT manifest like infection. I am amazed at how many people throw around words like this without direct experience of dealing with toxic people.

Here's the low-down. I have worked with hundreds of cases of toxicity of various kinds. Heavy metals (chronic and acute exposures), inorganic toxic chemicals exposures, mold and mycotoxin illness, lyme disease, glyphosate poisoning. etc etc etc.

First of all, these people do not just suddenly "get sick". It happens over months or years. Furthermore, the symptoms are not comparable with acute "viral infection". Yes, the systemic inflammatory reaction produces symptoms which are generalized (body pains, swollen glands, etc), but chronic toxicity and detoxification is not comparable to acute infection.

The symptoms of acute infection are severe, immediate, and short lived. The symptoms of "toxicity" are long, drawn out, take people years to recover from. Furthermore, it takes people serious work with consistent efforts to detoxify actual toxic chemicals from their bodies. And when they are detoxifying (which can be measured readily through hair and urine), their symptoms are not the same as viral infection. These people do not "pass on" toxicity to others...

So we are left with the observable fact that sometimes, when people get acutely sick (which IS NOT toxicity - and if you believe it is, show me tests to prove it), other people in the local vicinity can also develop similar symptoms at a similar time, following a similar trajectory.

The viral infection model predicts that when someone displays characteristic symptoms of acute infection, this can be transmitted to other people. And what do we see? The prediction is absolutely accurate. It can indeed lead to the precise symptom pattern in people who come in close proximity with the "infected".

How else can anyone explain this?

Richer oh, crap, this string looks worth reading!

You tied up a qubit with all the writing on science-y stuff.

Are you familiar with positive and negative controls when making a 'culture' plate?

Are you aware there are negative viral culture results?

Critics of virus theory also don't say "oh it hasn't been isolated according to MY definition of isolated". They haven't been isolated according to THE (general) definition of the term. Without these things being isolated, that is seperated from all the other material that can be found in a cell (which is A LOT), scientists don't have a proper independent variable. They cannot do experiments, where they change just this one variable in order to find out if it has any causal relationship to what they're looking for (e.g. disease). This makes virology a pseudoscience, per definition.

as though this was the first experiment on the subject, from scratch.

Biorage I also have a title for a book. It’s called “Earth is Round, People get Sick but You’re Still on a Prison Planet”.

I just haven’t figured out how it will end.

Biorage I also have a title for a book. It’s called “Earth is Round, People get Sick but You’re Still on a Prison Planet”.

I just haven’t figured out how it will end.

And Women Aren't Men.

Deni There are millions of bugs around us constantly. We trade some, ignore others, likely create some, pass some on and incorporate others into our genome.

It could well be that the severe symptoms you had were something else completely. This would explain this huge spread of symptoms and severity.

DeliciousTears It could have been something else of course; the vaxxed relatives and friends say it was because I wasn't vaxxed and got the Delta strain that was supposed to be going around that time. The ones like myself that are not vaxxed think it has to do with something else and try to blame it on immunity but I never got sick and was pretty strong with no underlying conditions so the unexplained illness was very strange and still a mystery to me.

Levi Dude the chemtrails debate after Laura dropped that article was legendary. 😂

Levi Too bad I missed that one. That was before my time.

AmandaMay If you search Laura Knight on sott it should pull up that chemtrails article. That was one of the last articles she wrote before she entered into “retirement”. Her angle was that the PTB want us to believe they control the weather when in fact it was the upper atmosphere cooling down that is responsible for the contrails hanging around.

JohnnyQuest The can cause rain by spraying particles into the atmosphere though.

JohnnyQuest Hi Johnny. Thanks so much for the quick summary of the chemtrails article. I think your summary tells me all I need to know.

Jason the should be they

Jason I don’t have a strong opinion on the subject really. Geoengineering has likely come far enough to produce the ability to control the weather. Although Laura’s theory is plausible as well. That comment thread following the article was legendary though.

AmandaMay Yeah pretty much. If there is one thing I really miss about the old SOTT days it was the articles Niall, Joe, Laura etc would write. Some of the most interesting and informative pieces I’ve ever encountered.

Levi It took me a minute to find the "Chemtrails" article in question, so here is the link to save others some time in finding it:

diminished7 The point is; it is not for our benefit anyway and I'm sure it does more harm than good. Both the article on viruses and the ones against chem-trails are weak to me at best. It seems that the opposition is fighting back hard to cover up what already came out. I'm not organized to keep track of old articles but there is strong evidence from a variety of sources. It seems that all they have to say is to compare to the flat earth- er crazy, and then they have convinced a whole group that what they "discovered" is true.

diminished7

Missing many members of those days....

Deni Laura and the SOTT team are dedicated and intelligent. I have learned so much from visiting this site on a daily basis for 15 plus years. In many ways they dodge other traps of the alternative news realm such as “the Jews are behind everything” etc.

No person or group is entirely beyond reproach and as far as SOTT goes the fly in their pudding is the fact that Laura claims to be a multidimensional channeler who speaks to ethereal beings who provide her and the editorial team with guidance as to current events and where things are going.

It’s a tad ironic that the editorial team occasionally releases these podcasts where they seem to look down on those who hold “extreme” views like chemtrails/weather control, no virus theory or 9/11 hologram stuff while being a part of a group that regularly participates in “talking” to aliens.

Levi I definitely miss many commentators from the old days.

I miss lsjarvi, gdpetti and many others. Glad RC stuck around through it all.

JohnnyQuest Yes, I miss RC and his clever comments. I hear and get exactly what you're saying..

DAHESH last time I checked, labs cannot tell the difference between exosomes and 'viruses'.

100% correct. Here's some quotes on that [Link] EV = Extracellular Vesicle.

EVs generated by virus-infected cells can incorporate viral proteins and fragments of viral RNA, being thus indistinguishable from defective (noninfectious) retroviruses.

However, it has recently been found that EVs can have important biological functions and that in both structural and functional aspects they resemble viruses. This resemblance becomes even more evident with EVs produced by cells productively infected with viruses. Such EVs contain viral proteins and parts of viral genetic material. In this article, we emphasize the similarity between EVs and viruses, in particular retroviruses. Moreover, we emphasize that in the specific case of virus-infected cells, it is almost impossible to distinguish EVs from (noninfectious) viruses and to separate them.

In contrast to EVs, the definition of viruses developed by 20th century virologists was quite precise: both the Encyclopedia Britannica and the Oxford English Dictionary define virus as “an infectious agent of small size that can multiply only in living cells.” EVs do not fall under this definition, because despite their resemblance to viruses in many aspects, they are fundamentally different, as they do not replicate. However, contemporary virology has distanced itself from this strict definition of virus by its wide use of the terms noninfectious and defective virus. Therefore, EVs generated by retrovirus-infected cells that carry viral proteins and even fragments of viral genomes essentially fall under the definition of noninfectious viruses.

Based on current knowledge, there are many aspects in which EVs resemble viruses, in particular retroviruses. First, although some EVs may be up to a micrometer in size, the majority of EVs are <300 nm, the size of a typical RNA virus. Like enveloped viruses, EVs are surrounded by a lipid membrane that also contains cell membrane proteins. Like many viruses, EVs are formed in the endosomal system or at the plasma membrane via defined biogenesis pathways, for example, involving the endosomal sorting complexes required for transport (ESCRT) machinery (1). Like viruses, EVs can bind to the plasma membranes of other cells, enter them either through fusion or endocytosis, and trigger specific reactions from these recipient cells (1). Finally, EVs carry genetic material, and this genetic material can change functions of the recipient cells (2, 3). Especially in the case of retroviruses, EVs generated in infected cells contain selected molecules of viral origin (4) and can be so similar to noninfectious defective viruses that have lost their ability to replicate that the difference between them becomes blurred.

Recent scientific breakthroughs have shown that EV-associated proteins, lipids, and genetic material can be functionally transferred to target cells ..., strongly implying that EVs and (retro)viruses have in common not only structural but also some functional aspects. This similarity is a reflection of the similarity in biogenesis of EVs and viruses...

Because EVs are produced by virtually all cells, probably every viral preparation is in fact a mixture of virions and EVs. To study their respective functions, it is necessary to separate EVs and virions. This is very difficult with some viruses, such as retroviruses, because both EVs and retroviruses are comparable in size (EVs ranging from 50 to 100 nm, virions being ∼100 nm) and buoyant density (EVs: 1.13–1.18 g/L; most retroviruses: 1.16–1.18 g/L). Other membrane-derived materials may also have similar characteristics. Therefore, density gradients, which are often used to separate EVs from contaminating protein aggregates on the basis of differences in buoyant densities (40), are not always reliable for separation of EVs from viral particles.

Unless more specifically defined, it is currently virtually impossible to specifically separate and identify EVs that carry viral proteins, host proteins, and viral genomic elements from enveloped viral particles that carry the same molecules

A growing body of evidence indicates that cells infected with enveloped or nonenveloped viruses release EVs that contain viral components. Here, we aimed to create awareness that virus preparations may never be pure but rather are contaminated with diverse subpopulations of EVs, and some of these EVs may be either indistinguishable from or very similar to so-called defective viruses.

100% correct. Here's some quotes on that [Link] EV = Extracellular Vesicle.

Oh dear, that must get the prize for the silliest of the no-virus talking points. Admittedly, there are hot contenders though.

luke You seem pretty much invested in changing people minds..

I hope you're paid well enough

Or you do it just for the feeling of it? Satisfies your fanaticism?

I got smallpox as a young adult without coming into contact with any sick person suffering from it, contrary to many experiences of other people who supposedly "caught it from someone else", perhaps you have an explanation (since you seem to understand so much more than the rest of us)? It was in the midst of summer by the way, I always thought viruses would not survive direct UV radiation, strange isn't it?

Have a great day and keep trying hard

luke You seem pretty much invested in changing people minds..

Nah, just enjoying myself

I hope you're paid well enough

By Russia, yes.

I got smallpox as a young adult without coming into contact with any sick person suffering from it, contrary to many experiences of other people who supposedly "caught it from someone else", perhaps you have an explanation (since you seem to understand so much more than the rest of us)? It was in the midst of summer by the way, I always thought viruses would not survive direct UV radiation, strange isn't it?

Flawless logic: either terrain theory is 100% true and viruses don't exist, or sickness is 100% based on contagion via direct contact only. Got it.

KROMM “paid well enough” wtf? debate is good. I’ve seen many debates squashed by smears, ad hominem attacks and name calling. Luke’s made some salient points, nothing to get your panties in a twist over. Facts help…

BluLiteDancing Sorry, but his way of discussion is suspicious for me, as if he had a need to convince or belittle anyone with a different opinion.. As far as I'm concerned, the respiratory "viruses" are fake and what we generally call a "virus" is not the real culprit or is not understood fully nowadays, they mix exosomes and supposedly "viral particles" in one great soup, then let it decay in a substrate of monkey kidney cells or whatever and inject the result into a lab animal and watch it die orr get sick, not really any proof for me personally.. Also, love the idea how they can detect polio virus in a random sample in thousands of tonnes of sewage, I thought viruses don't replicate elsewhere than in living cells? Virus is certainly the reason to have everyone vaccinated with multiple doses of toxic chemicals during their lives, though.. Very trustworthy, this modern medicine and all..

So I don't like people who want us to be afraid of [insert name here] virus and run for the "only" treatment in the form of vaccine.. and booster shots. Ugh.

Everyone shall do his own research.. From personal experience, children and people that haven't been vaccinated in their whole lives (and there are very few of them), usually don't get sick at all.. some have told me they haven't seen the doctor for DECADES.. Now consider the idea of poisoning people for centuries to make them dependant on "modern medicine" and patented pharmacologicals.. That market is one of the largest, just along with drug & arm trade.. Many people would not like to loss that opportunity thanks to people awakening, so paying a few psyops and controlled opposition is the very least thing they could do.

But you're free to feel paranoid and consider anyone as being a paid troll, this kind of mass psychosis of distrust is one of their goals as well, it neutralizes forming of any vocal opposition.. as they said, their end goal is to make everyone NOT believe anything and they're succesful so far

KROMM “But you are free to feel paranoid & consider anyone a paid troll.” I don’t think you have an objective understanding of how you are perceived. YOU are the one making accusations lol, saying YOU’RE suspicious and asking how much the gentleman gets paid. It seems like projection squared, maybe I’m not understanding your drift.

He’s merely reacting in good faith (in my estimation) to the pedantic virulent word salads coming his way… What’s crazy is; I was pretty much in agreement with you up until your last delusional paragraph…

It’s my opinion that the “no-virus” crowd stifles debate and throws a monkey wrench into the machine whenever vaccine debates mention the word virus. How does one have an objective intellectual conversation about the horrific c19 vaccine genocide w/o mentioning viruses, I wonder. In case you haven’t noticed your no-virus side is also dead set on their own set of facts, almost a dogmatic belief similar to being evangelical about it. I mean responding with; “what are you paid” & “are you CIA,” seems bananas or at least conceding the argument.

That’s my 2 cents…

BluLiteDancing Hey, it's okay, anyone can believe whatever they want, fine by me.. I'm just allergic to the word "virus" lately, as many of them seem to be a fraud imposed on humanity to inject everyone with toxic (and lately outright deadly) substances for decades, if not centuries already.. I think there is enough evidence on e.g. "polio virus" to consider it fake and I can imagine a similar mechanism working beneath the façade of all viruses - it's easy to point to an invisible culprit only THEY have got a method to "detect"... Just my two cents, but if so many people are offended by that idea and want to fight for the "existence of viruses", also fine by me.. I'll keep my mouth shut next time, so I do not disturb anyone's belief in viruses or fairies or whatever

But I'm sure as hell never taking ANY jab against WHATEVER for the rest of my life, I've had enough. Those that want the jabs will have plenty of opportunities, they can get jabbed with polio vaccine, monkeypox vaccine or any other imaginary virus vaccine they'll invent and push to the masses..

And sorry, but that "luke" guy/gal seemed on a mission to "correct" everyone's stance on the (non)existence of viruses (be it all of them or one particular), that's how I percieved his comments and if I'm wrong, then mea culpa , I'm far off convincing anybody nowadays, made a considerable effort to talk to people to NOT take the Covid vaccine and it was largely in vain, so no more futile efforts from me.. There's no point in trying to change anyone's opinion and I'm not going to change mine either, vaccines are toxic for decades already and who doesn't believe that, has got to find out for themselves.. And personally I think many of the "viruses" could be a scam to get people jabbed, if no-one can understand that simple logic, then I'm not going to argue about it.. Believe what you will.

KROMM We are in agreement, mostly. I question everything hence in my mind the no-virus theory is plausible with everything we know about the Rockefeller takeover of holistic medicine and education ie; exalting a waste product from standard oil petroleum jelly, as a lubricant when in fact it dries your skin as a metaphor and tossing prophylactic medicine out the window. We know(some of us) for instance that cancer can be avoided/cured thru eating a non acidic diet, that chemo is absurdly obscenely negligible/destructive, that vaccines are practically useless but the gaslighting Covidian cult persists in “your ration of chocolate will be increased to 15g this week from the previous 20g last week, congratulations” propaganda.

Obviously I agree about the clot shot & I too have been disheartened watching my entire family and friend circle(almost) get the fucking shot.

My brother being the worst offender being that he is an emergency room MD who graduated with a double major of conventional/holistic degrees. Can’t wait to get the next clot shot in the fall. We can talk about anything under the sun except anything to do with covid. It’s bananas…

No history of autism in our or his wife’s family tree but his son got/has autism. I warned him before the birth of his first child about the obscene vaccination schedule for kids, paid zero attention. I’m not a “I told ya so,” kinda guy just closed my pie hole because I love my baby brother. It is what it is… 🙇‍♂️

tekdude Go on then. Blow my comment below "to smithereens". Blow Richer's comment above "to smithereens". Prove that virology's methodologies are scientific and not big, fat non-sequiturs. Lets see you put your ignorance on display for everyone to see.

Tsidkenu tekdude CANNOT. None of them can. That's because we're being logical, while they believe in some fairy particle that can't be isolated.

Show us the SCIENCE tekdude to prove your point. Here is a [Link] for you.

Tsidkenu Here is another [Link]

tekdude Do some research? Don't you have a bitchute video I can watch??

tekdude If you believe viri are real, the idea that they are pathogens and cause disease logically follows.

And when you trust the isolation and sequencing methods, the virus spike protein and it's effects in the body are a real thing. As a consequence, the idea to trigger human antibody production via a vaxxine to protect you from the negative effects is sound.

So, in short ...

... shut the f*ck up and line up for the shot.

Or else you are a hypocrite.

Tsidkenu You completely missed my point, not surprised though. People love to jump on others and miss the point all the time. For the record my friend I believe virus and germ theory is 100% made up bullshit and have read numerous papers that support that belief. Have a nice day unless you've made other plans...

codis Well, thank you for that logically infallible bit of uni-dimensional thinking.

By your logic, if you believe technology is real you must embrace the technocratic dystopia. You're using your computer to post on the internet, therefore you believe technology is real and must be embracing your technocratic overlord's designs for you without question.

Otherwise, you're a hypocrite.

adanie15 I wonder how long it took you to come up with that weak comparison.

adanie15 I wonder how long it took you to come up with that weak comparison.

About an hour. It took me a while to come up with an analogy as weak as your original argument.

codis If you believe viri are real, the idea that they are pathogens and cause disease logically follows.

And when you trust the isolation and sequencing methods, the virus spike protein and it's effects in the body are a real thing. As a consequence, the idea to trigger human antibody production via a vaxxine to protect you from the negative effects is sound.

So, in short ...

... shut the f*ck up and line up for the shot.

Or else you are a hypocrite.

One adduces the existence of a pore forming toxin, and then must fall in line to trigger 'human antibody production to protect you'? Oh, the irony.

adanie15 I wonder how long it took you to come up with that weak comparison.

About an hour. It took me a while to come up with an analogy as weak as your original argument.

BOOM

DAHESH yes anyone who disagrees with you doesn’t understand the “science” and or is a paid troll or my favorite; a CIA plant…

codis “if you believe viri is real, get in line for the shot..” great logic on display…

BluLiteDancing You forgot the important middle step : " ...and believe viri are disease-causing pathogens ...".

The conclusion to get the shot becomes rational then.

codis So if you believed viruses were real then that would mean you would have to take the clot-shot without but a second thought because, to you, it can be the only logical step to take?? How very mechanical, no etheric fluidity whatsoever... Interesting.

So at some point in the last 2 years the no-virus absolutist flipped a mental switch in his head to back-reverse his machine-like logic to the opposing extreme so as to fit the decision to never take the clot-shot. Another piece to the puzzle... The clot-plot thickens!

BlackCartouche

How very mechanical, no etheric fluidity whatsoever... Interesting.

Not countering the argument, or even mention it.

Interesting ...

codis I wasn't making an argument. It was an observation.

BlackCartouche - what was the point of the observation - to be acrimonious?

Now sanctimoniously, one could suggest other were being acrimonious and to be honest that is offensive as well - ain't it?

Why is it so hard to have a fair debate without so many emotions and ego-based foolishness......that is why tis best to be face-to-face.

The virus of fear is REAL - the covid is a virus of fear in origin whether particles with code exist or not.

Buffalo_Ken No. What was the point of you asking - nebby?

BlackCartouche - so you weren't trying to acrimonious...then what was the point of your post - are you just trying to give others a hard time. Do you have some issue with codis?

What is a nebby?

Oh, you think I'm nosey? This is a forum of sharing and lately been too much acrimony, but whatever if acrimony is what gets you off, then get off with it I reckon. There are better places.

Buffalo_Ken More-so annoying...

Now stop being an overly sensitive drama queen asking me silly questions that defeat the purpose of this website with its tagline of 'The World for People who Think.'

BlackCartouche - understood. I can sense you have troubles with sensitive ones and makes me ponder if that is the lesson you still have to learn. Touche fellow poster, and I have a mirror I'm willing to sell ya - the cost is one silver coin friend.

I think you were being acrimonious but this thread is long in the tooth and I agree - time for it to die.

Buffalo_Ken The mirror isn't broken is it?

I'm going to bed, Goodnight BK.

BlackCartouche - the mirror is pure silver goodness.

Sleep tight.

BlackCartouche Not every truth is shiny, eloquent and spiritual.

And most lies look pleasant and agreeable, until you get <really> close.

I drew my conclusions not from podcasts, especially not one's like this. I checked the sources, i.e. textbooks and research papers. Others might come to other conclusions, which doesn't really bother me.

I just know fractions of the famous Enders paper on his polio virus isolation, though. All full copies I found were behind a paywall. I wonder why ...

codis More often than not spiritual understanding from, and of, this world is either fluffy wishful nonsense of rainbows and lollipops or is actually quite dark and, dare I say, evil. And so-called 'truth' from our Earth-bound perspective follows suit in much the same vein - but with the added addition of reductive nihilism to boot (of which the end result of is itself almost on par with being evil). So I'm acutely aware most 'truth' discerned by men in this mundane plane of transient existence is far from what could be called; shiny, eloquent and spiritual...

As for the rest, fair enough.

BlackCartouche

More often than not spiritual understanding from, and of, this world is either fluffy wishful nonsense of rainbows and lollipops ...

I tend to agree.

Just to explain myself, I am a technician by profession (electrical engineering), A repeatable experiment as the basis of knowledge had always been my way of thinking, and mostly formed my worldview.

While ambiguous spiritual talk is just suspect to me, I outright despise most so-called modern "science". Because it is usually nothing but payed-for technological propaganda.

Shangri Eh, inoculate sufficiently specific, selective growth media and you will get positive results which can then have sequencing done to identify otherwise not present genetic material, or, you get negative cell culture result if either the media is incorrect/insufficient or the inoculation did not present any replicating material. Hand waving no-virus theory wants to wave away method validation: where positive and negative controls are used to demonstrate the technique's efficacy. Not too complicated, the procedures. The techincal literature, however, well, that's complicated.

azigzagidiot broadening the validation through a pocess of elimiation in the inteest of the expeiment alone,

stevejc Does SOTT need viruses to exist?

Yes they do, for without "true viruses", the Cassiopeian edifice of lies, the centrepiece of Laura's Church of Palaeochristianity, starts to crumble. This is why SOTT defends this sacred cow so heavily.

Tsidkenu Spoken like a real intellectual giant.

luke It is a wonder that this intellectual giant, @tsidkenu visits this lowly site and spends so much time here. Strange indeed given his clear disdain for it.

Does SOTT need viruses to exist?

No, but they seem to exist and so we must take them into account.

Or, more to the point, does it need SARS-CoV-2 "virus" to exist?

SOTT's been around a lot longer than SARS-CoV-2. I'm not sure how or why SOTT would need it to exist when it didn't for decades previous.

SOTT's stance on the COVID measures and protocols as well as the purpose behind same does require that virus to exist, but that's only because the only way everything taken together seems to make sense is that there is a virus by that name. SOTT doesn't need it to exist. It simply seems to be a real thing.

Who are the controllers of SOTT, are they the same controllers who won't allow any post discussing the Zionist infiltration, takeover and current destruction of American and the Western world?

Think about this for a minute. You're suggesting that SOTT is controlled by those who don't want people discussing Zionism. And yet, SOTT has thousands upon thousands of articles criticizing Israel, Zionism, AIPAC, alleged Jewish history, and so on. How does the one square with the other?

But to directly answer your question, there are no "controllers". We're just a group of volunteers of like mind who're trying to figure things out as best we can. We don't get paid. We do this work because we're trying to help humanity by getting to the truth and sharing it to the best of our ability. You might not agree with SOTT's analyses, but no one controls SOTT but us volunteers.

adanie15 Isn't it more wise to take a neutral position, the middle road of we don't know for sure?

Any site would get extreme labeling for claiming SARS-CoV-2 doesn't exist, and who wants that? that's why

You are using the word 'seem' and 'seems' quite a lot.

An evil phony vaccine doesn't need a virus to exist. Nor does an evil mask mandate, nor does an evil lock-down mandate, nor does an evil war on food, or war on the poor or war on truth or war on morality

Anyway, Coca-cola seems to be a real thing, as does Zionism

So re what you said about your 1000's of articles about Zionist nightmare, can you point to 1 or 2 or 3 calling out the Zionist Jewish takeover and destruction of constitutional America and its family structure and moral fabric based on Christ's teaching within the past several months?

adanie15 Isn't it more wise to take a neutral position, the middle road of we don't know for sure?

There are some things that warrant neutrality, and others that don't. It's sane to be neutral about many aspects of viruses. Not so much to doubt their existence entirely.

Any site would get extreme labeling for claiming SARS-CoV-2 doesn't exist, and who wants that? that's why

Nah.

You are using the word 'seem' and 'seems' quite a lot.

Because unlike delusional paranoids, some people are comfortable living in a world with uncertainty baked into it, without going into radical skepticism mode or true believer mode.

An evil phony vaccine doesn't need a virus to exist. Nor does an evil mask mandate, nor does an evil lock-down mandate, nor does an evil war on food, or war on the poor or war on truth or war on morality

Correct. Technically, it doesn't need it. And?

Anyway, Coca-cola seems to be a real thing, as does Zionism

So does the flu.

So re what you said about your 1000's of articles about Zionist nightmare, can you point to 1 or 2 or 3 calling out the Zionist Jewish takeover and destruction of constitutional America and its family structure and moral fabric based on Christ's teaching within the past several months?

Maybe because we honestly think it's bullshit.

hkoehli Are you adanie15? Did you also change your user name? Is he not able to speak for himself, to stand behind his own thoughts and claims? It's interesting finally seeing more SOTT (underbelly?) people after all these months. This circling of wagons around an idea which perhaps isn't any more or less fringe than its counterpart, yet presented to readers in such an unprofessional manner, is pretty strange.

Is it so necessary to compete with the likes of Joe and Niall, that you must resort to running and taking strong sides in extremely divisive themes? Infinity is boring, come home, find the true you, then blossom in our big garden, it'll be awesome!

For me, mostly the issue is SARS-CoV-2, whether it exists or not. Regarding any other viruses is not the main concern for me. B/c for me it's becoming apparent the whole lying dystopian CoViD narrative is largely based on this. Its purported existence. Yet, almost everything else we are told re CoViD is either a lie or an exaggeration or complete fabrication of nonsense, and topping it off, it's mostly completely against the common good. So, it's natural to be very skeptical. Also, most don't really care anymore, since most don't see it as pressing issue, unlike can they buy gas or bread or don't drop over dead clasping their heart, or have still born baby with blue head

Anyway, what's in it for you, that you must take such a strong heavy stand on this issue? I'm really curious.

It's easy for you to say "Nah," but you haven't done it have you? Until you actually put yourself out there, it's just talk.

It seems you are saying about others the same which some may say about you. Thus, isn't it better to avoid all this, focus energy on Big Pharma and all their partner institutions which are driving these evil sickening murdering vaccines???

of which majority of all decision making in US government, banks, corp., think tanks and big tech is under Zionist dark spell, so swearing it away, isn't really too professional either. Or honest, more importantly, neither with oneself or the world around us.

here's a quote from Mark Crispin Miller...

"What I think is that this question, which has people on our side at each other's throats, is irrelevant, and as distracting as it is divisive.

The way out of all this is NOT to get people to reject germ theory, but to get them to recognize the fact that the authorities——government, media, the medical establishment, academia——are utterly corrupt, and actually MALIGN. Whether the authors of this horror FAKED "the coronavirus," or grossly EXAGGERATED its effects, it's their malignity——their evil——that people must now finally recognize; and when they do, it will be Game Over."

Wise readers will move away from your site if you don't up your level, from pushing a hard strict belief to presenting many sides, from a competition of who's right to a place where brothers and sisters can exchange idea to learn and teach and all to become more healthy. It's nearly impossible in these wayward times to have site for those who love, but it's coming soon in demand, and sites for those who think will fall away, because if anything, thinking is the only true virus.

A new tagline for future SOTT is a site based on love, working towards common good goals, and seeking truth for truth's sake, not for political correctness or fear of backlash from lost society and its wealth-class wanna be controllers. Join our unbiased balanced round table discussions where truly nothing is off the table and all our dreams are flying above it. Peace

It's interesting finally seeing more SOTT (underbelly?) people after all these months. This circling of wagons around an idea which perhaps isn't any more or less fringe than its counterpart, yet presented to readers in such an unprofessional manner, is pretty strange.

That's because the no-virus people are so fanatic and loud that they normally dominate the comment section here. A counterbalance was needed.

For me, mostly the issue is SARS-CoV-2, whether it exists or not. Regarding any other viruses is not the main concern for me. B/c for me it's becoming apparent the whole lying dystopian CoViD narrative is largely based on this. Its purported existence. Yet, almost everything else we are told re CoViD is either a lie or an exaggeration or complete fabrication of nonsense, and topping it off, it's mostly completely against the common good. So, it's natural to be very skeptical.

And this is where nuance comes in and the ability to discern subtleties. Just because they are lying and creating the "pandemic" using the false-positive PCR baseline doesn't necessarily mean that there is no virus.

It seems you are saying about others the same which some may say about you. Thus, isn't it better to avoid all this, focus energy on Big Pharma and all their partner institutions which are driving these evil sickening murdering vaccines???

"What I think is that this question, which has people on our side at each other's throats, is irrelevant, and as distracting as it is divisive.

The way out of all this is NOT to get people to reject germ theory, but to get them to recognize the fact that the authorities——government, media, the medical establishment, academia——are utterly corrupt, and actually MALIGN. Whether the authors of this horror FAKED "the coronavirus," or grossly EXAGGERATED its effects, it's their malignity——their evil——that people must now finally recognize; and when they do, it will be Game Over."

True. You are right. This is exactly why people here are making fun of the no-virus shtick: these people are obsessed, and lost, and massively divisive. They suck people in who then focus their energy in the wrong direction and running in circles. Hence we need to forget about the no-virus shtick and dismiss it as the psy-op it clearly is.

Tsidkenu Yes they do, for without "true viruses", the Cassiopeian edifice of lies, the centrepiece of Laura's Church of Palaeochristianity, starts to crumble. This is why SOTT defends this sacred cow so heavily.

What in gawd's name are you talking about?? SMH.

hkoehli Are you adanie15? Did you also change your user name? Is he not able to speak for himself, to stand behind his own thoughts and claims?

Chill.

Tsidkenu lol? I can’t believe you wrote that…

stevejc Nicely put. Cheers for the link.

By male power could = left hemi brain.

Hemophrodite/queens/queers power maybe?

2 becomes 1 could be the master plan.

The ring that rules them all.

Have these guys taken the phony vaccine? It would be interesting to know

I can confirm that none of them have taken any of the jabs.

"many are working on this..." yeah, many need to eat, many need to pay their rent, car, gas, food, phone and so on, so they do what they are told. making $$$ trumps all else for most people, especially those deeply stuck in the system

Yeah, so what the heck are the tens of thousands of scientists working around the globe on viruses doing if not working on some actual thing? Are we to believe that these people are just twiddling their thumbs all day making stuff up?

You're right that money is what makes the world go round. But they have to actually be doing something productive, in some capacity, in order to get paid and make the advances that they have.

"closes us off from reality?" whose reality? a CoViD mRNA vaxxer's reality? Everything is fine in America reality? There's no Satanic agenda reality?

No, closes you off from actual reality. A complex and nuanced place where not everything is smoke and mirrors from TPTB.

reality is masks don't work, lock down doesn't work, phony vaccines don't work, "CoViD" has 99+% survival rate, but we must turn world upside down b/c of some bogeyman virus!? Maybe if you come at things from this perspective you might make some progress

Do you even read SOTT? SOTT has articles and focuses that cover all of that and them some.

"basic facts, observable facts" such as, we don't know what it is or anything about it nor can it be found

you're making it one or the other, not us; you're making big issue but it isn't

please

go with whatever blows your skirt up dude

Just because we don't fully understand it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. We don't understand what information, the building block of all of reality, really is and yet here we are built out of the "stuff", for lack of a better word.

in meantime, hopefully next up will be something more meaningful, such as increasing phony vaccine sudden deaths and phony vaccine mass illness. one of the elephants in the room which is censored from most media

Most media, but not SOTT. Again, do you even read the articles on this site?

maybe you are vulnerable, you sound like ones who want to fight, making big deal out of what is now a mostly irrelevant issue.

It's not irrelevant to you, apparently.

curious, are you salary or invited, since hearing this rambling one sided discussion, it doesn't heighten my interest to hear again anything other. am surprised SOTT has this kind of podcast, level rather, but it's positive in sense that it generates thinking

Everyone on this show and all the editors here on SOTT are unpaid volunteers. We do this work because we love truth and want to share it with as many as possible.

but still, maybe u should re-tune yourself with reality of more pressing issues.

Again, do you read SOTT? There are other shows that cover the "more pressing issues" you're talking about. Though whether those issues are more pressing is debatable.

Here's another example, aside from Zionism and death clot shots, of a far more pressing serious issue:

The Feminist Angle [Link]
Is the “new normal” a culmination of raw male power, based on a crude mechanistic view of the world? Does it signify a new and radical negation of feminist values?.... Kaye likens Rosemary’s baby with the mRNA injections, the creators of which “can have no peace or equilibrium whilst [their] creation lives.”

Interesting, may take a look later.

The mad scientist is the creation of the mechanistic view of the world, the view that nature and humanity are machines which can be adjusted and developed for optimal results, results which, as Mattias Desmet has explained, culminate in the perfectly safe life of an unconscious body on IV.

But the mechanistic view is in its essence also a deeply anti-feminist view, as it is rooted in a worldview where the autonomy of women was considered a threat to male-dominated society and values. The witch hunts and the Renaissance did go hand in hand, something we often ignore.

What you may not realize you're doing is applying the same reasoning that the anti-white supremacy Critical Race theorists use to besmirch Western values (because slaver hypocrisy) and thought but you're applying it to mechanistic doctrines (because anti-female hypocrisy). I think I understand what you're trying to get at, and I think there's something to the notion that a mechanistic worldview can be seen as anti-female though I would say it's more accurately anti-human. But you're seemingly too worked up (understandably so) over the issue to really parse things out into a coherent and compelling case. Not that you were intending to make a case here, but I don't think you were being as clear as you thought you were or as clear as I though you could've been.

In film and literature, tampering with nature often brings disasters. In Rosemary’s baby, the references to Frankenstein are clear; the male, mad scientist, evil and dominating, has forced the monster inside the woman’s womb, the sanctuary of life; isolated and gaslighted she has no option but to accept and justify what has been done to her: “As she realises the full horror of the situation, she is determined not to cooperate with the coven. Nevertheless, she soon finds herself rocking the baby and appearing to accept his strangeness.”

Is the “new normal” a culmination of raw male power, based on a crude mechanistic view of the world? Does it, along with the abolition of even the word “woman” signify a new and radical negation of feminist values?

I would say the "new normal" is more the manifestation of the devouring mother archetype than one of raw male power. Protecting people at all cost and to the detriment of their long term survival isn't a male or masculine trait. It is the feminine desire to nurture gone way too far.

This "new normal" is certainly based on a mechanistic worldview, but the negation of first-wave feminist values happened decades ago and, while it is tied with a mechanistic worldview, it isn't radical when looking at how feminist thought has developed since it's early days. I'm not even sure I would link the two in this way. Again, I think it would be better to state it as anti-human rather than anti-feminist. What we're seeing, after all, is the infection of society with pathological and psychopathic values and thinking styles. And those values and styles, while also anti-female and anti-first-wave-feminist, are more accurately described as anti-human than anything.

adanie15 that's good to hear.

IMHO, many do irrelevant things but get paid. irrelevant to common good of what matters. there's massive $$$ pouring in to fund evil activity, activity, so-called productivity, which is opposite of working toward common good. so, of course these employees (slaves rather, blindly pumping out for the system, the machine) aren't twiddling their thumbs, but their activity is in pursuit of evil.

i didn't say it makes the world go round. i said in so many words many falsely believe they need it to eat, drive a car, wear a tie, carry a phone, access the internet and so forth. there's a difference. some don't, yet they still live. if we didn't have money, the world would still be a plane and people would find way to eat and live for their dream

maybe SARS-CoV-2 is smoke and mirrors. code generated on an Apple ipad or MSOS or other Sili con

your reality at this time, 'seems' to say no it's not. others though have different reality or have open mind

Yes, i have read some of them. quite honestly, I'm reading less and less of them. constant reading here or another place is not healthy. It forever keeps the self in separation. away from our true source. here is the tree of good and evil. inside us is the tree of Life.

yes, yet, strong heavy attachment to existence of SARS-CoV-2 is somewhat incongruous and maybe isn't necessary at this juncture. It's far more beneficial for going forward to say we don't know, until we know, and continue...

i trying to help point out human behavior which is irrelevant waste of time. much better use of our time to discuss about love and community, or any number of initiatives for creating peace and harmony; and also, related, who is primary driving force behind the evil in our midst, the enemy within, both physically and spiritually, rather than forcing a one sided biased discussion on people.

Yet, maybe especially based on heated response in this forum and weird OH presentation, that there is something to all this..

Maybe it is a very pertinent issue, maybe it's not irrelevant. maybe if truth were known, that it's ALL a scam, including even the existence of SARS-CoV-2, then it could be breakthrough for ever we are in need of, could cause the whole house of cards to come tumbling down. wouldn't that be interesting. similar to mass awakening to 9/11 inside job

anyway, i didn't write the article, it's by a guy in Iceland. i see you with some talking and talking, but not really saying so much. anti-female is precursor step to anti-human

adanie15

Have these guys taken the phony vaccine? It would be interesting to know

I can confirm that none of them have taken any of the jabs.

That's not true. Niall has said on one of the podcasts that he took the jab so he can travel.

Tsidkenu Head meet nail. 👍🏻

Tsidkenu strawmaning, obviate obligate soapboxing, pilpul sounding word salad vomit. You sound incompetent, you've demonstrated your incompetence on this subject numerous times, and your continuing appeals to authority and links to videos do not give you any credibility.

Tsidkenu Head meet nail. 👍🏻

More like crack meets pot.

Tsidkenu Excellent!! I always look forward to your posts on this issue!!

luke crack meets pot

luke You know what Luke?

The editorial team has graced us with their presence in this thread. What Tsidkenu said that has undeniable relevance is the SOTT team being beholden to its founders conviction that she is a multidimensional channeler. I think, personally, that there is enough evidence to prove that viruses exist although I still remain skeptical as to whether sars cov 2 exists as presented. It doesn’t matter much to me either way. The events which have occurred since Covid (whether real or imagined) have assisted in motivating me to increase my preparatory efforts for the United States’ impending societal collapse.

What I’d like to see is this editorial team address the Cassiopean experiment and their continued involvement with something that reeks of new age bullshit.

Oh and you come across as a self righteous jerk. Whether you’re right or not that’s something you might consider working on.

Tsidkenu

As I've said repeatedly before: the primary reason SOTT editors believe in virus theory is religious, namely, that Laura's pet channelled "Cassiopeians," or whatever they're pretending to be, believe and teach deadly viruses

Yeah, you said it repeatedly, and each time it made me LOL. I wonder if anyone reading what you wrote stopped for a moment to consider the important fact that you have zero, and I mean, ZERO,evidence for your little theory. That you did, in fact, pull that one entirely out of your metaphoric arse and then present it here with the same presumed authority that you present your ill-conceived opinions on viruses. You're a joke dude and deserve to be taken as seriously as any misguided fool who seems unable to stop posting in the comments section of a website that he clearly does not like. You know, there's this novel idea that, if you don't agree with/like the underlying theme of a website, you can, and should, take a f**king hike, for everyone's sake, mostly your own.

JohnnyQuest

What I’d like to see is this editorial team address the Cassiopean experiment and their continued involvement with something that reeks of new age bullshit.

Your comment reeks of self-righteous, arrogant, entitled, BS. So don't feel offended if we appear disinclined to look favorably on your request.

Joe Hey thanks for responding Joe. Not trying to be any of the things you say my comment reeks of. I’ve always been curious. Not offended at all. If you, or anyone else involved with SOTT ever feels inclined I’d just like to know how you or anyone else involved in the C’s sessions could fail to see that it does come across as “new agey”. A mystical woman who channels the messages of beings from another dimension? You participate in these sessions and then tell Tsidkenu that he’s a nutbag? Right.

It’s pretty rare that the editorial team comments on the articles so it’s nice to see you all here. It would be nice to see you show up and comment in a positive light once in awhile as it seems you only ever show up to tell people they’re idiots.

Regardless, I don’t have an opinion regarding viruses either way and I’m sure you and your editorial brethren are far more informed than me. Since there is a chance you might actually read this thanks for all the work you and everyone else has put in here. It’s been very helpful for me and what I’ve learned here has by extension trickled down to my friends and family. I think you’ve all actually made a tangible difference in this world.

Peace out you surly Irish prick. ❤️

Joe Hey thanks for responding Joe. Not trying to be any of the things you say my comment reeks of. I’ve always been curious. Not offended at all. If you, or anyone else involved with SOTT ever feels inclined I’d just like to know how you or anyone else involved in the C’s sessions could fail to see that it does come across as “new agey”. A mystical woman who channels the messages of beings from another dimension? You participate in these sessions and then tell Tsidkenu that he’s a nutbag? Right.

It’s pretty rare that the editorial team comments on the articles so it’s nice to see you all here. It would be nice to see you show up and comment in a positive light once in awhile as it seems you only ever show up to tell people they’re idiots.

Regardless, I don’t have an opinion regarding viruses either way and I’m sure you and your editorial brethren are far more informed than me. Since there is a chance you might actually read this thanks for all the work you and everyone else has put in here. It’s been very helpful for me and what I’ve learned here has by extension trickled down to my friends and family. I think you’ve all actually made a tangible difference in this world.

Peace out you surly Irish prick. ❤️

I think I 2nd that. I mean I could pick out the parts of it I would say different, but basically, I think I 2nd that.

So, one part I definitely agree with is I have found no other place to learn as quickly as I have learned here and so hats off to sott.net for that. As for what is happening behind the scenes, I checked it out once or twice, but I'm not sure I can ascribe to it all but don't mean I disagree with it and if the thought process has facilitated this website, then let us all realize the value of good discourse. The places for that to happen have diminished, but good communication can never be stopped and so let it continue. I mean seriously, let it propagate, let it grow, let there be so much communication that sometimes it is hard to tell heads from tails.

That is when it does a man good to just go pick some cherry tomatoes....because if you lose touch with the soil, then your soul is likely lost....don't you think that is true?

Buffalo_Ken - so today the farmer's market was happening and I had some cherry tomatoes, but honestly what is the price of one cherry tomato? I'll be honest, I'd just prefer to give them away if I have more than what I know what to do with and so that is what I did. I gave away the best cherry tomatoes from that I picked from the plants today to a neighbor and did it with intent. Good intent.

Lately, I just ignore bad intent and I went down to the farmer's market and I purchased goods from several of the booths and the price was fair. Local commerce really is where it is at, so get with the game and you will find this gives one immunity against the virus of fear.

Seriously - not kidding around.

Local commerce is healing.

JohnnyQuest lol I sure wasn't expecting to get Joe manifesting and frothing at the mouth but there you go ay. Talk about "easy"; I guess I'll have to keep relentlessly bashing that cheap Cassiopeian nerve and see how many more demons can manifest before this article disappears from "the top of the list". Hahaha.

There's another $10k from ASIO for making a SOTT editor lose it. Sweet. /sarcasm

Joe

You're a joke dude and deserve to be taken as seriously as any misguided fool who seems unable to stop posting in the comments section of a website that he clearly does not like.

Quite parasitic of him isn't it, a bit like how a virus behaves... latching onto a host, in this case the SOTT website, and infecting it from the inside out. He is the very definition of what he claims doesn't exist.

luke You know what Luke?

Oh and you come across as a self righteous jerk. Whether you’re right or not that’s something you might consider working on.

Tsidkenu Mm, virus theory is basically information theory, and a living virus is akin to pantheism. It's genetic material enclosed by lipids and proteins, another tube like the rest of us. That hasn't been disproven. In fact foreign genetic material entering cells is one, maybe the biggest, reason people worry about mRNA vaccines. And germ theory goes back to the Greeks in the BC era, really.

None of that confutes holistic medicine.

Vampires are sociopaths. A healthy mind is the antidote, and could be attained by proper nutrition (garlic), or belief (cross), or information (stakes if you care for the metaphor).

I don't know, it's not much of an argument.

Tsidkenu Do you think psy-ops might employ people to help them get traction?

Or, how much are they paying you?

azigzagidiot ASIO's propaganda division is paying $7,500 per reply to my content, double if I waste the time of SOTT editors, so keep the cash coming. Thanks.

/sarcasm

Tsidkenu what, a little plug for more cover? shore up your new little pictogram?

azigzagidiot yep, pretty much everyone in the neighborhood. Shit spreads super fast.

DeliciousTears Allegedly measles does, too, but maybe they're "mass exosome formations". All over the skin.

azigzagidiot Especially when two extremely healthy athletic parents have their first toddler in a daycare setting for the workday.

I've never had more terrible uri's than for those 2+ years until our immunity was built.

Pox's though are probably better diseases since the symptoms are more clear for those folks who think no such things exist.

It could also very well be that exosomes and viri, although "looking" similar, aren't.

Anybody get chickenpox transmitted intentionally as a child?

If you are a tough kid you will survive all these "infections" and then afterwards you will be tougher!

If you are over vaccinated, you might never have a chance to prove your toughness....

and then, most likely you will be a softie - not very tough cause you never got infected.

So the logic suggests it is better to get infected and then either prove you toughness or get it via your immune system which has already proven its efficacy.

Seriously - whether virus exist or not, the crime of the century and more is in front of our faces and justice must be served .

Buffalo_Ken Had chicken pox at 5...

parzival - I had it when I was a kid as well. Not on purpose, I just caught it via interaction. It was no big deal and made my immune system stronger.

richie rich got some criteria by which you have concluded this?

richie rich Well dang. I wish someone would've told me sooner. Who do I have to talk to to get back pay for all the work I've done for SOTT and by extension the ever-powerful and elusive PTB?

No... but sott is a psyop... and that's the only take away. The sooner people realise this the better

Sure, but the goal is different than most.

The world for people who think. Think for youself.

adanie15 Interesting how some read SOTT and the comment section for hours, though they dislike SOTT, the editors and think it is a psyop. It must take some considerable time. This podcast certainly brought a few out in the limelight. Some who complain about SOTT censorship while they post away without trouble. The disconnect is strange.

adanie15 Interesting how some read SOTT and the comment section for hours, though they dislike SOTT, the editors and think it is a psyop. It must take some considerable time. This podcast certainly brought a few out in the limelight. Some who complain about SOTT censorship while they post away without trouble. The disconnect is strange.

Interesting and strange, indeed. The mind boggles at the disconnect between their perception and reality.

No... but sott is a psyop... and that's the only take away. The sooner people realise this the better

richie rich If it is then it’s been disastrous. If psyops are supposed to exist to keep us from the truth that is.

richie rich As well you’ll notice that although certain commentators rightfully point out the bias (everyone has them) that SOTT holds regarding certain subjects due to its association with Laura and the Cassiopeia sessions we still hold them and their work in high regard. There are many of us here who challenge the editorial team from time to time and that is good but we do not say they are government trolls, because they are not.

JohnnyQuest "The masses have never thirsted after truth. Whoever can supply them with illusions is easily their master; whoever attempts to destroy their illusions is always their victim.”

― Gustave Le Bon

JohnnyQuest depends which 'government' you are talking about...

richie rich

No... but sott is a psyop... and that's the only take away. The sooner people realise this the better

Yep. Sure is. So eh...can you piss off now?

Tsidkenu got some criteria by which you have concluded this?

Hang on, why would you need any such "criteria", don't you have lots of your own? LOL. Nutbag.

Joe As long as you’re here, koehli and a few other editorial team members as well, would you be willing to address your association with Laura and her channeling?

Perhaps calling one of the readers of your site a “nutbag” is warranted. Perhaps the editorial teams position on no virus theory is entirely correct. Although I’ve yet to ever see any of you address what I would regard as the elephant in the room. That is, you all to some degree participate in an activity with the founder of this site which cannot be proven or measured be any legitimate scientific measure.

You’ll notice that although Tsidkenu espouses a firm belief in there being no viruses he/she still regularly reads this site and does NOT believe it is a psyop. I don’t either. This is a great place and you all do great work and I’m thankful. Though “rappin’ with the C’s” makes this entire operation seem a bit, how might you say it… nutbaggish?

Joe I like dropping by to see what the tribe is fostering on poor deluded sods thinking they'll find the truth here.

JohnnyQuest I like your comment. I am really interested in 1, the retort, and 2 if you even get a reply.

Must admit, it’ll be a failed psyop cos I’ve learned loads here haha

Christian83 Yeah, I’d wager anyone who visits SOTT and says this place is a psyop is in fact a paid troll.

The subject of the C’s and channeling is something I’ve never seen addressed and it won’t be most likely. Call Tsidkenu a raving lunatic if you want and he/she may well be but where I agree with them is how the Cassiopeian stuff makes a mockery of all the other work they do. Which is undoubtedly fantastic.

JohnnyQuest As long as you’re here, koehli and a few other editorial team members as well, would you be willing to address your association with Laura and her channeling?

What's to address?

Perhaps calling one of the readers of your site a “nutbag” is warranted.

More than you realize.

Perhaps the editorial teams position on no virus theory is entirely correct. Although I’ve yet to ever see any of you address what I would regard as the elephant in the room. That is, you all to some degree participate in an activity with the founder of this site which cannot be proven or measured be any legitimate scientific measure.

It means we have open minds, unlike many here.

You’ll notice that although Tsidkenu espouses a firm belief in there being no viruses he/she still regularly reads this site and does NOT believe it is a psyop. I don’t either. This is a great place and you all do great work and I’m thankful. Though “rappin’ with the C’s” makes this entire operation seem a bit, how might you say it… nutbaggish?

I'm pretty sure his clear statements that "sott" is a "psyop" mean he DOES believe that. Then again, I really have zero interest in anything such a person has to say.

richie rich I like dropping by to see what the tribe is fostering on poor deluded sods thinking they'll find the truth here.

And adding in your 2 cents while doing so. How magnanimous of you. To be honest, I really don't care what you do, especially since it seems so pointlessly self-absorbed. That said, we do, as always, reserve the right to boot inveterate larpers like yourself without notice.

Joe “The world for people who think”

So here’s what I’m thinking… you and the team do your best to bring us information from outside the mainstream. Which includes real science, reliable science which isn’t tethered to the establishment. For instance this argument you and the team make about no virus theory perhaps being a psyop is based on your efforts from studying the available scientific evidence regarding Sars-Cov-2. Would it not be fair to apply the same rigor to Laura’s claims of being a multi dimensional channeler? How can one possibly prove that they are capable of such things?

THAT’S what I want to understand. That’s what I’d love for you, or Laura, or anyone else here to explain to me. Because you, Niall, and most everyone else on the editorial team is regularly involved in these sessions. You ask these beings questions, they give you answers. Prove it Joe. Prove all those conversations are genuine. I doubt you’ll be able to. Though I’d love to be proven wrong.

This isn’t some asshole just being an asshole for assholes sake. I love this site and I am a HUGE fan of you and everyone else here. Dude I’ve been here for so many years. I’m always sharing your articles with friends and family. This place has changed my life and I do have an open mind about the possibility of Laura’s work being genuine but it’s only fair, I think, to apply the same stringent thought that you and the team apply to every subject to that subject as well.

Finally I’ve yet to see Tsidkenu accuse this place of being a psyop. Please show me if they have. There are some really strong opinions regarding Covid and virus theory apparently. Keep up the good work.

Joe richierich is one character who rarely contributes anything to the conversation. He makes Smertzasmert seem like Nedlud.

So here’s what I’m thinking… you and the team do your best to bring us information from outside the mainstream. Which includes real science, reliable science which isn’t tethered to the establishment. For instance this argument you and the team make about no virus theory perhaps being a psyop is based on your efforts from studying the available scientific evidence regarding Sars-Cov-2. Would it not be fair to apply the same rigor to Laura’s claims of being a multi dimensional channeler? How can one possibly prove that they are capable of such things?

Far as I'm aware (and I've read a lot), Laura doesn't make that "claim." She's been pretty open about the history and her whole approach in her books. Yeah SOTT brings information from outside the establishment, and one of those areas is parapsychology or "psi." "The science" (jk) suggests these phenomena are real, even if we don't fully understand them. When it comes to channeled information and the whole history of various forms of mediumship, same thing: the phenomenon itself is real, but no one really knows what exactly it is or how it works. Different practitioners or researchers may have different ideas about it, but for those with an interest, well, it's interesting, regardless. If you're interested and open-minded about it, you may get something out of it. You may even be able to verify or disconfirm some things for yourself if you're so inclined. If you're not so inclined, no problem. But asking for "proof" is kind of like asking for proof that the I-Ching works, IMO, or "proof" that an afterlife communication really comes from the dead dude in question. It's not that simple or easy.

Now, if someone were going around making absolute claims, like that there's nothing to psi, or that all dead dudes are demons, or some other dogmatic position, I for one would take issue with them, same as I take issue with those who are so certain that viruses don't exist AND those who are dogmatically "we know everything there is to know about viruses, disease, and health".

hkoehli Harrison you’re the fuckin man. Thank you for that explanation. As far as I know, and I’ve been around here a long time, no one has ever clarified this particular topic.

JohnnyQuest No problem, JQ.

richie rich -

No... but sott is a psyop... and that's the only take away. The sooner people realise this the better

says the hen to the rooster...fly away hen if you don't want a rooster around.

Why you waste your time here if it is what you put forth because if you do, then it means you are suspect.

Joe Dude, you're suffering much from an inability to comprehend English. Do you even know who made the comment "sott is a psyop"? Or are you going to perpetually blame me for this glaring inconsistency in your basic comprehension skills?

Talk about irrational responses, however it's very amusing to watch you and the rest of your "talking voices in Laura's head" channelling mates completely lose your shit and prove you're actually close-minded, irrational, and incapable of actually having a debate based on logic, evidence and methodological criticism. I don't have to do anything else at this point while troll co. go all berserker rage. You've made complete arses of yourselves, although kudos to Harrison as he's at least capable of constructing an argument without frothing at the mouth and reverting to ad-hom at least 12 times (and Koehli writes well on totalitarianism, the kind of content around here which is actually enjoyable and worth reading - unlike the rabid "to arms" call ya'll did on your aliens forum or whatever it is.

JohnnyQuest

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pffft, but far less poetic...

Christian83 you learn what they allow/want you to learn ... much like school, much like the church... or rather synagogue in this case. The focus should be less on the cassiopean stuff and more on the origins of the core 'editorial team'. The subjects not addressed, the memes always pushed. The places where mainstream history is espoused. You'll either get there in the end or you won't... if I was self absorbed (note the value 'shaming')... I'd just pass over and let you poor fucks carry on believing all is 'gospel' here... ha, who wrote the gospels? But I'm just pointing out the open door to thus very new cage.

JohnnyQuest

Would it not be fair to apply the same rigor to Laura’s claims of being a multi dimensional channeler? How can one possibly prove that they are capable of such things?

Apples and oranges. One is the domain of observation and investigation of extant reality, the other in the domain of faith.

Joe That’s fine. Like I said, the subject has never really been clarified. So some dedicated readers may have been left with the wrong impression. I appreciate you and Harrison touching on this.

Tsidkenu Sorry, I conflated you repeatedly spouting ignorant, baseless shit about the cass forum with you doing the same about Sott. Nevertheless, you're still full of it. Btw, that's not adhominem, it's a statement of provable fact based on your own comments here. And it's kind of rich coming from someone who apparently loves to throw unprovoked and baseless shade at others.

Joe [Link]

Joe Go back to sucking on psi crystals, crybaby. Waaaa waaaa.

Meanwhile in session 17 July, 2022 [Link]
Q: There's a discussion on the "No Virus" thread and Mandatory Intellectomy wanted to ask questions about it.

(Joe) How correct are scientists' ideas about viruses?

A: Close enough though there is a lot they do not know including the fact that a virus is a transdensity structure.

Q: (Joe) Do viruses come from outside of the human body or from inside?

A: Both.

Q: (Joe) So the body can also make them?

A: Yes

Q: (Joe) Are they infectious?

A: Depending on the specific virus. Mostly, yes.

The Science has spoken

Joe The guy who literally believes the word of a bunch of space-bodies manifesting on a Ouija board has the nerve to call me a nutbag "repeatedly spouting ignorant, basless shit about the cass forum" - what are the chances he asked said "C's" whether viruses exist and are deadly and contagious within the last 2 weeks? How much does this FACT bear on his preconceived biases regarding the question "DO VIRUSES EXIST?"

The Cassiopeians decreed: YES. Joe complies. No more questions. No more room for questioning. THE SCIENCE HAS SPOKEN. Amen.

Tsidkenu Ts-ts. It's comical how you seem to seriously believe you are oh-so smart, when to anyone with half a brain it is apparent that you are just a triggered fool that is very far even from reaching bong-hitter in mom's basement level. Painful!

Joe Go back to sucking on psi crystals, crybaby. Waaaa waaaa.

Meanwhile in session 17 July, 2022 [Link]
Q: There's a discussion on the "No Virus" thread and Mandatory Intellectomy wanted to ask questions about it.

(Joe) How correct are scientists' ideas about viruses?

A: Close enough though there is a lot they do not know including the fact that a virus is a transdensity structure.

Q: (Joe) Do viruses come from outside of the human body or from inside?

A: Both.

Q: (Joe) So the body can also make them?

A: Yes

Q: (Joe) Are they infectious?

A: Depending on the specific virus. Mostly, yes.

The Science has spoken

muahahah priceless!!

While I'm genuinely into honest debate and reasoning, and ready to accept the shortcomings of the science , can anyone who dismisses the virus theory explain rabies? Get bitten by a mad dog and turn into a water fearing lunatic ( like some hippies i know😅) Once the symptoms appear you are leaving soon in a pine overcoat. If it isn't a virus,what the hell is it?

How does the terrain theory explain it?

A self-replicating potentially poisonous microbe. That's part of terrain theory. Terrain theory vs. germ theory is a false dichotomy.

A self-replicating potentially poisonous microbe.

Sooo, a virus?

Terrain theory vs. germ theory is a false dichotomy.

Agreed. It not either/or but both/and. Similar to the "nature vs nurture" debate which quite clearly is "nature and nuture".

The details are the contentious bit.

adanie15 After reading up on terrain theory, this is pretty much how I was taught it works, without knowing what terrain theory is or who Béchamp was. Like you said, it's not either or, it's two parts of a more accurate explanation.

Snow Exactly. Now the person has been poisoned ( very similar to a vaccine injection actually). Now the terrain is toxic and sickness will occur.

Snow Exactly. Now the person has been poisoned ( very similar to a vaccine injection actually). Now the terrain is toxic and sickness will occur.

You guys are just... stunning in your delusions. It is an interesting case study in what a left hemisphere run amok based on silly ideas can do to people.

luke Ad hominem attacks and childish cheap shots do not make you or your points any more believable or valid. Far from it, it makes them less, far less believable. People who go for the lower vibrational emotions, already have lost the argument. Besides, I have seen how you respond to different people here: you are just a toxic bully and I wager you delight yourself in putting people down, who you think hold (in your opinion) a "delusional" idea or theory. Clean yourself up first, Pinocchio and release yourself from your automaton negative urges.

Before you start cheap-shotting me personally (to which I will not respond, good luck), let I make it clear, that I am not of a "flat earth" persuasion. Far from it. I quite like round things ;-)

Snow I don't think that's an ad hominem...

This is the same rationalization hamster wheel spinning here that has gotten this no-virus theory traction. Trying to characterize that as left-brain delusion run amok is not ad hominem. You do then seem to go on to ad hominem at Luke , and I find the preponderance of "logical fallacy" claims being bandied about in this thread to be interesting... Why would that pop up here so much?

Snow I don't think that's an ad hominem...

Agreed, it wasn't.

This is the same rationalization hamster wheel spinning here that has gotten this no-virus theory traction.

Indeed, the same inability to think clearly and critically about whether or not what Luke said was actually attacking the people or commenting on their shallow and disjointed thinking when applied elsewhere is what gets people into the gravity well of things like flat-earth, no-virus, etc.

Trying to characterize that as left-brain delusion run amok is not ad hominem. You do then seem to go on to ad hominem at Luke , and I find the preponderance of "logical fallacy" claims being bandied about in this thread to be interesting... Why would that pop up here so much?

One wonders why, indeed.

Snow I don't think that's an ad hominem...

This is the same rationalization hamster wheel spinning here that has gotten this no-virus theory traction. Trying to characterize that as left-brain delusion run amok is not ad hominem. You do then seem to go on to ad hominem at Luke , and I find the preponderance of "logical fallacy" claims being bandied about in this thread to be interesting... Why would that pop up here so much?

Yes it is. Just take the trouble reading his other responses. The rest of your text I cannot make head or tails out if it. Although I know a fair bit of English, I cannot understand what you try to convey. As for Luke, after all his negative reactions, he happened to respond to one of mine and I called him out for what he did: bullying. You see, courtesy and open, honest listening and responding to other people has been lost here, it seems.

I am sorry, but the video seems to me more like damage-control than an actual logical / objective rebuttal. Instead they start falling over each other in calling everybody who doubts the virus theory to be crazy and throw them on the heap of the flat earthers. So, crazy by association. Very nice.

You watched the presentation and came away with that? I doubt you watched their video.

You don't think there's scientific support in favor of viruses, but you diagnose yourself with a psychosomatic illness? Perfect scientific perspective for today's world.

Snow Yep. Anyway, it doesn't really matter if virus is real or not or somewhere in between. It's just another divide. another distraction

Left Right

Virus No virus

Vaxx No vaxx

Republicans Democrats

Pro-abortion Anti-abortion

9/11 inside job 9/11 box cutter knives

CoViD scam CoViD super scary

UFO's No UFO's

Global warming No global warming

Zionist Peacemaker

Neocon Pacifist

Woke Realist

Alt Main

Globe Dome/flat

Ukraine Russia

Black White

Red Yellow

Arab Israeli

Jew Gentile

Christian Satanist

Death Life

Outside Inside

Up Down

and so on...

The real virus is unconscious repetitive thinking and acting in separation, in division, in distraction

away from our true self

away from the present moment

instead

Consciously being with Self Awareness

being in the NOW

(Since many don't care re this, our world continues towards the fulfillment of The Revelation to John.)

azigzagidiot Yes, I did watch it. And yes, I came away with that conclusion. It is not the first that this "team" does this. I wonder if they do it on purpose, or just lack of knowledge, understanding and compassion...

No, the more I learn about the world and how it works, the more I doubt about that the virus theory is "the" answer for everything we see as illness. Do viruses exist? I do not know. But, for what has been passed around as a virus, I doubt that is it. It is too easy and serves too many darker agenda's.

I compare virus theory with dark matter theory: a blanket theory to patch a huge hole in the mathematical formula of, in this case, astronomy. Same with virology: they see behavior they cannot explain and they come up with a theory. Next they go try to prove it with methods and procedures that leave a lot of doubt about their objectivity and with a high prejudice of "there MUST be a virus particle". Then it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy: you find what you want to find. And next comes the money...

How many ages did we believe that the earth was the center of the universe and the sun revolved around it? The church made sure you believed this "fact". And why shouldn't you? I mean, you could see the sun every day and it seemed it revolved around us. It would be a crazy notion to turn the idea around, right? Now we know better.

We live in a very morally corrupted world. Even if it seems drastic, we have to doubt at least the last 100+ years of progress, bcs it has been corrupted to serve very narrow dark agendas. A lot of good ideas have been hidden from us and now in the chaos we are living in now, we have a chance to rediscover and re align. And no, that does not mean we have to throw all the babies out with the bathwater, just a few ;-)

I diagnose myself, because I have a logical mind and a lot knowledge gained over the years. I wish the cause was as simple as a virus. A virus would be like a random encounter or bad luck, then I could put it away and forget it. But that would have been too easy. Do you actually know how deep your emotions and mental state control your health? And a lot of it is under the surface, in the subconscious. You as a human are far far more complex in your health and how you are tied to this life and to explain most of it away with a simple "virus", would do it injustice. Actually, it is lazy.

Christian83 Shitpost indeed. The whole crux of coming to sites like SOTT is to be able to engage people of other persuasions and to argue with them, passively, not instantly shouted down, denied or locked out with verbal shite.

BoneLe Exactly. There’s nothing wrong with a strong debate, but when it’s laden with put downs etc it’s obvious these people are here for ulterior motives.

They try too hard which makes them even more transparent. Best to just ignore them.

JohnnyQuest I think the question of Sars2-Cov is real or not a very important question, and it has nothing to do with virus real/exist or not real/not exist.

It is important to know if Sars2-Cov is nothing special (normal coronavirus with flu symptoms), and just "exists" because of tests that do work, if it is lab engineered bioweapon (weak one, but that means there could be deadly ones), or probably any other possibilities not thought of.

Levi I suppose what I’m trying to say is that it doesn’t make much difference because we live in an age of smoke and mirrors. Just look at this thread… everyone at each other’s throats being accused of being a troll of a government plant. There is little to no trust anymore because our traditional means of determining whether or not to trust something or someone have been destroyed.

I love SOTT. They’re a bit kooky with all the channeler stuff but it’s still a great site. I’m not at all well read in virology or terrain theory. It’s interesting to hear both sides. I wish we could have these discussions in person. I think they’d be much more civil. Or would they? Lol

JohnnyQuest Germ/terrain theory isnt the only telling sign what this place is. Sott/cassi team did this stunt with 5G topic too. And I remember seeing the Yandex tracking on both sites. So 2+2...

Also, I can say that after a decade that Ive spent investigating various channelers, I call scam on every last one of them. Fraudsters that basically scam people for money is all that they are.

Re.Is there a virus. Watch a few videos with Tom Cowan and you will have a better idea. He has a rumble channel.

Cheers

revolve2evolve why should they? The Cassiopeians teach that deadly contagious viruses exist. They cant be wrong so that's the end of the debate. No evidence to the contrary is capable of persuading the True Believers.

revolve2evolve why should they? The Cassiopeians teach that deadly contagious viruses exist. They cant be wrong so that's the end of the debate. No evidence to the contrary is capable of persuading the True Believers.

"Evidence" LOL

Tsidkenu why should they? The Cassiopeians teach that deadly contagious viruses exist. They cant be wrong so that's the end of the debate. No evidence to the contrary is capable of persuading the True Believers.

More arrogant, deluded BS from you. Yeah, "the Cassiopeians teach that deadly contagious viruses exist" so that's the only reason we think viruses exist, because we have never heard of viruses before, never researched virology before... gawd you're such an idiot.

Joe This is what you and the entire SOTT team will have to deal with from time to time. Tsidkenu may be completely wrong regarding viruses. He may be wrong in assuming that you and the team only believe in viruses because that’s what the C’s say. It really doesn’t matter much to me either way if viruses exist or not. I don’t think SOTT is a psyop. But you guys, along with Laura, claim to TALK TO ALIENS. LIKE REGULARLY.

Can you see why someone might have trouble taking you seriously? I DO take you all seriously and have for a very long time. Though you’d have to admit that Laura and her Cassiopeian conversations seem a little fucking weird.

... But you guys, along with Laura, claim to TALK TO ALIENS. LIKE REGULARLY.

Can you see why someone might have trouble taking you seriously? I DO take you all seriously and have for a very long time. Though you’d have to admit that Laura and her Cassiopeian conversations seem a little fucking weird.

JohnnyQuest, I might have missed something, but I don't think Laura claims that she talks to aliens. She allows for the possibility that it is possible to communicate with other worldly beings, but you will be hard pressed to find her claiming anything. There is a big difference between claiming something and for allowing something as being possible.

As this concerns SOTT then the articles carried here and the talkshows are based on research found on planet earth and not blind assertions. Therefore what the Cassiopaean communications might say or not say, is not what forms the basis of SOTT yet it is used by some as the ammunition of last resort when their arguments have been found wanting. Tsidkenu brings it up as a smear because he is not able to argue for his no-virus belief. It is truly amazing that he continues to read this site, when it according to him is run by loonies whom he is happy to throw under the bus anytime.

revolve2evolve: The doctors from the so-called "no virus camp" are not your typical flat earthers. {which does not mean they get things wrong} They have done the work and know {and you know this, how?} what they are talking about when it comes to proper isolation techniques of any particles. They also do not shy away from criticism or debate {maybe they welcome it for distracting reasons - reasons that may not even be apparent to them?}.

Do the authors at SOTT even read their own articles that they are linking to? {seems they indeed did - see below}

If you want a better understanding of why people are questioning the existence of viruses, then I would recommend watching Dr. Cowan's most recent response to all of this drama that Steve Kirsch has recently started: [Link]
I've been following SOTT for more than a decade now and it's absolutely disheartening to see you all draw such a line in the sand when you clearly haven't taken the time to understand what this is really all about.

I guess you did not read the SOTT comment in the article you posted with a link to Mercola on the subject? Just in case you missed it:

Getting too far into the weeds of theories that refute the existence of viruses altogether will only slow down and hamper the truth movement rather than aid it along, and I would strongly discourage anyone from engaging in this highly unproductive narrative.

Thanks for the show guys.

JohnnyQuest This is what you and the entire SOTT team will have to deal with from time to time. Tsidkenu may be completely wrong regarding viruses. He may be wrong in assuming that you and the team only believe in viruses because that’s what the C’s say.

Yeah, we've only been dealing with it on and off for 20+ years. I don't care what that guy thinks about viruses, but I'll call him out on his BS when he claims to know the origins of our opinions on a given topic Talk about arrogance.

Aeneas I never would have found this site if not for Laura and the C Experiment, and it does sound weird if you're completely ignorant of the origins, the work that has been done over the last... I want to say 28 years, the assumptions they don't make as a matter of good science, and the revisiting of all conversations to evaluate information through the lens of time and independent confirmation. One could dismiss the C Experiment as just another woo-woo new age BS campaign to sell books and merch (The Wave series is still completely free to read online which is how I read it). Also, aliens is a matter of perspective. It's "us in the future." So much background and effort and let's not even get into group infiltration by cointel in the past... That doesn't happen when you're a bullshit artist.

Joe Your treatment of people who have a different opinion to your own is disappointing to say the least. I don’t know why but I did not expect that. In my experience people only resort to personal insults when they cannot continue a discussion based on facts.

Treating a customer that way lowers my estimation of the organisation, which I previously held in very high regard. I now face a dilemma: I love Sott and am grateful for the education I have received here, as well as the connection with people who are very dear to me, but I do not engage with those who treat others in such a manner - that goes completely against my values and moral compass.

It isn’t likely my decision will make any difference to you; I doubt you will care at all.

This is not about our beliefs about mediumship or viruses; we are all entitled to our opinion - that is the point. So is our right to express our beliefs without fear of personal attack, which is another form of censorship. That is something I never expected to see here on Sott. Very disappointing.

Joyly I have never felt that Joe was a good representative of Sott. I personally regret that he has such a front-and-center role to play. Often, in organizations, the wrong person insinuates himself into an influential or prominent position because that person is energetic and willing to take on tasks, and maybe more than a little pushy. It typically comes down to someone in administration who is asleep at the wheel when it comes to preserving standards.

To me it indicates that the Sott discussion board is a bit of an afterthought, meant to generate support and income, and not taken seriously for itself.

Joyly - I like Joe's perspective. I'm glad I get to read it here. It would be a shame Joyly if you departed, but it ought not be an either or type consideration.....I respect anybody choice to participate or not at any given time and I respect you Joyly . I respect Joe as well. For all of its acrimony, this thread speaks to me about what this place is all about. So thanks.

Ken

I am not quick to judge. We can all be mistaken, and we are not perfect, just some are closer to perfect in some aspects than others. Normal part of life.

Eventide You need to apply what you learned over the last two years - don't get intimidated by self-proclaimed "experts". Not even those on alternative-media blogs.

I am not here because I like the SOTT team so much, or because I agree with their opinions. In fact, I disagree with them on many points. The discussions and exchanges with like-minded people is far more important to me.

I ignore what I think/believe to be wrong, unless they come with convincing facts and arguments.

Buffalo_Ken I too like to hear different perspectives, but I draw the line with personal insults. I cannot respect that behaviour from any commentator. If these personal attacks come from the editors what does that tell the public? It is very sad when an editor can insult someone like that just for having different views. Also we were all told that if we did not like their views we should leave. (Or words to that effect). I will not leave Sott; I have too many friends.

Ken I’m curious: if f your daughter had a boyfriend and he insulted her, would you still respect his views?

Joyly It’s odd to me that you give Tsidkeno & others a pass. When all else fails try to discredit the person on the other side of the computer screen; ie; Tsidkeno ostensibly calls Joe and the staff here loons, making the case that Joe believes in viruses because the “Cassiopeian’s” do…Is this real intellectual mutually respectful discourse? Luke has been accused in this thread of being a CIA plant, of being disingenuous and being paid to foment chaos because of his defense of virus theory. Are these opinions of fair minded intellectually curious participants in a debate or stubborn children with very little substance? I’m in agreement about name calling however no one on this forum, outside of you Joy seems to be irreproachable.

Joyly - Lets remember that if we were at an actual campfire, then emotions would be more evident. I'm not sure it is fair to hold the facilitators/hosts at a forum to a higher standard because if that means they are less likely to get involved in the campfire discussion, then it is like an opportunity lost. Have you not ever had an evening where afterwards you woke up and thought to yourself - did I really say that? So, I give the benefit of the doubt when I'm amongst folks I respect.

Sincerely,

Ken

Joyly So Joe dishes it out a little bit on those who like to do it a lot to others. I don't see why anyone on here should take issue with that.

Levi bacteria morfed into a many piss ant human called nazi maggot fauci and co..

Christian83 same here bro,

and ive been alienated, ostracized, harassed, mocked, you know all the bollox cos i wont go along with it and i dont believe the bullshit,

ah well

when they all drop dead, il take there houses, drive there 100k cars around for a bit, then who knows.. may own an island, hehe

stay safe an sane.. we have to in this beautiful world, some humans on the upper level, or they think they are, will fall soon,

cant wait for that day.,,

im collecting the rope, get ready for a mass hanging..

oldschoolrider Amen brother!

Christian83 I totally agree with you. This 'viruses are deadly' theory is just getting on my nerves. My theory is that the vaccine being injected into billions of people was designed to control the soul. Do I have a proof of this? No, but I really don't give a damn what people think, they should find their own proof. They should get injected and then we will see if they will be automatically sucked into the tunnel/light after they die. That Satanic garbage will never ever be injected into my body, ever. They are even injecting this shite into people who are about to commit suicide under the care of a doctor. Why the hell would they be doing this to a person who is just about to die? Unless there is a hidden agenda. The thing is that I am just like you, Christian. I haven't been wearing muzzles and have not been injected with the poison and haven't even been sick. I don't mind people doing the distancing around me, they irritate me anyway. So, if the stupid virus exists I should be the first one to be dead. Dr. Kaufman and Dr. Cowan make the most sense to me.

Do you know if these Cassiopeians, who are saying that deadly viruses are real, are an alien form or something? Do you know what kind of Aliens? The grays? Reptilians? Do they have a website? I was wondering if they are also predicting a global catastrophe that we will experience soon.

earthwatcher

Unless there is a hidden agenda.

I think that’s it, they’re simply trying to hard to get everyone jabbed. Like you pointed out, what’s the point of giving to someone on their deathbed?? I read something about it effects the pineal gland and they’ve been after our pineal gland for decades what with the fluoride and such.

I’m regards to the C’s, I just don’t know. I believe that there are other “entities” but as far as us being in touch with them and communicating? I dunno. I’d like to think it was true because otherwise it is just another grift designed to confuse and get clicks. I guess I’m open minded about it, each to their own I believe, as long as it isn’t pushed on me or others I think it’s harmless enough.

I certainly don’t understand why everyone is getting so worked up about it. Isn’t there more prescient issues to worry about?

Thanks for your comment earthwatcher.

Christian83 I am not sure if you checked out Archaix.com website [Link] You seem to be open minded to any truth, some being pretty ugly. I came across Jason's website and ordered one of his books 'When the sun darkens'. I was quite impressed with his research so I am waiting for two more books of his. If you want to see the evidence of past and future catastrophes then you will find it on his website. Max Igan did an interview with him recently. [Link] Jason is not creating fear, he is just giving the facts.

You shared that video about Michael Jackson being a clone some time ago, so I thought that this info might interest you. If you have anything interesting and shocking (nothing is shocking to me anymore, this world is getting more crazy by the minute) please do not hesitate to share it with me. Thanks

earthwatcher Wow this is cool. I too recently found out about Jason after I watched the exact same Max Igan video and thought I’d check him out. I’ve watched the Giza simulation, pt 1-3. Those measurements in the pyramid were beyond accurate. May 2040 is the next one apparently. The Phoenix will come again.

So I’m playing a new game on my ps5 and it is called Horizon: Forbidden West. Now interestingly, I have noticed massive correlation between the story and what Jason describes in his videos. Firstly it is set in the future by a couple of thousand year or so and the protagonist is a female (of course, and everyone seems to be black lol) and she is a clone of some doctor from I guess today’s age. Anyway she has to defeat a AI called Hades who periodically unleashes extinction events on Earth. In the game, Earth, or Gaia as it’s known in the game is on its Fifth Age, and there will be no 6th age according to this AI (not sure what happens as I’m still early in the game) The world I’m living in is a post apocalyptic Wild West and everywhere there are old broken robots that were obviously of a military nature. And roaming around there are these AI machines that are basically futuristic transhuman robots. So much of what I’m playing is quite freaky cos it seems so familiar even though I’ve never played it.

Could it be predictive programming? Sure seems so. Like in the movie 2012 (disaster crap) they had a scene which Charles hapgood’s crustal displacement theory is discussed, which was in fact something the CIA classified in the 60’s and still not fully declassified now.

In regards to anything new, I did find a couple of Vids which I’m having trouble relocating right now but I will keep trying. I did share them on here a couple of months ago but can’t remember where! There was a data dump and it a pdf with hundreds of records about children, blood type, quality of child, where children were kept (mostly disused military bases, which you could match the address up with real disused bases) nationality, and most shocking of all, they all had expiration dates. I checked a couple of names and sure enough, they were real missing kids. I will try and see if I can resign them up.

Lastly, thanks a lot for thinking of me when you discovered Jason. It is exactly the kind of subject that peeks my interest, so you have judged me exceptionally well!

Thanks a lot my friend.

Christian83 Oh that's cool that you also checked him out. When Max mentioned him I immediately checked Jason's website and ordered one of his books. Jason is really something, it seems that he figured out the programming within this VR universe. It would be interesting to know of his past lives; what connection he has to our history. He is not an ordinary soul, that's what I am getting out of him. People are starting to discredit him because he has a criminal record; I just ignore this nonsense. He did some stupid things when he was young and he takes full responsibility for all he has done. He is not a rapist or a psychopath, because what he is doing a psychopath would not be able to do. He just needs to ignore these idiots, Max needs to do the same.

That game you are playing sounds interesting. I wonder where the programmers got the information from. You should get some of Jason's books. I am reading now the second one 'Nostradamus and the planets of the apocalypse'. You have to read the details of what Jason has found out about these objects that have been approaching Earth for thousands of years. It's incredible how much detail he found out about our very near future. Bloody hell, our reality is seriously a programmed VR; to me this is actually quite exciting because I have always felt that we are living in a VR, but I didn't have the evidence that Jason has. And whatever is being programmed, like in the game you are playing, will happen whether we like it or not, and it's not pretty. The thing is that we have died many times before and came back to participate in this game over and over again like idiots, so dying again is not a big deal, but I have to say that I am getting sick of this stupid game. I am bloody hell getting out of here and will let the crazy zombies continue participating in here for eons if that is what they choose. It looks like the zombies will unfortunately stay here for a while.

I said this before already, just don't hesitate to send me anything that keeps the mind occupied with wonder, shocking to others but not to us.

earthwatcher Yeah I immediately made a reference of his name and checked him out immediately after I finished the Max interview. It’s not often I get immediately interested in something because a lot of stuff out there I’m at least familiar with. But his concept of AI and how it was all linked to ancient sites was new to me. I’ve heard Elon and others talk about simulation theory but only in itself.

I think I may just order a book or two from him, you’ve piqued my interest.

As for that game, it’s getting more interesting by the day. It’s also very disconcerting to me now, it kinda feels like this game has a purpose, whether it’s just predictive planning or something I haven’t figured yet. As for the programmers, I think they’re unwitting participants. Everyone knows or should know that the CIA is in Hollywood, I think it’s naive to think there not also sticking their grubby fingers into the gaming world, especially with all the pliable kids of today playing. So I imagine it’s scripted from high up somewhere and passed on to the developers. I’d be surprised if certain developers are in fact fronts or owned by the CIA.

If this VR thing is true, and we keep replaying over and over again, isn’t it a form of purgatory? Your gunna keep doing it until you grow or move onto the next density. Sounds like purgatory to me in that respect. I too am sick of this game, but I guess it’s happening and we’re here for a reason, as Jason says we are all debriefed at the end and apparently we remember everything even from past lives avatars. That’s an interesting concept, and I look forward to reading his books. Another book on my read list is Iron Gates, it’s fictional but it looks interesting [Link]

IRON GATES is a sci-fi horror / post-apocalyptic novel, detailing a bleak view of the spiritual horrors of the world-to-come.

Set seventy years after a worldwide nuclear conflagration, IRON GATES allows the reader a sight into a nightmarish landscape populated by even more nightmarish characters in a hideous future which leaves little to the imagination.

Brutal and unsparing, it is not suitable for readers under 18.

Readers should be advised of extreme graphic content.

As for things along documentary lines, have you seen this? (probably have) The Fall of the Cabal. It’s a 23 part doc series and goes into the history of all this shit we see today and how it started. You’ll understand why Russia has been targeted for centuries and all sorts of other things. If you haven’t seen any I would recommend it, they’re twentyish mins long so can be viewed in chunks or I think there is an omnibus all in one sitting somewhere around [Link]
I hope all is cool in your world simulation my friend

Christian83 I am just reading Jason's book 'The scriptures of Giza'. It's very interesting but I get this funny uneasy feeling in my heart; it's not looking good for humanity. I have no doubt that we are experiencing this reality as a virtual simulation; it has been a simulation right from the start. However, what has been programmed recently into this VR these past 6 thousand years, concerning our planet, is the AI that, in my opinion, will help the architects of this VR universe become the ultimate controllers of the souls. The Satanic elites are just players like we all are. Those who will benefit the most are the architects of this VR universe. This is the war for our souls; others also feel this way. The constant catastrophes, that have been programmed into this VR, have been designed to force us back to the starting point over and over again so that we only have a short time to figure out this fucking game. Jason mentioned that the 138 years of the return of Phoenix has been designed to destroy the Satanic elites. I disagree, I think that the 138 year Phoenix cycles (there are others, like the 414 year cursed earth cycle, 552 year Phoenix cycle etc.) are the constant resets that have been designed to keep us trapped in chaos. We stay in chaos for a very long time before we build up our society, and then the shit hits the fan again.

I don't think this VR is a purgatory. I feel that it has been designed to keep us in a constant chaotic state so that it becomes very difficult for us to figure out the game. Once humans figure out the game they will have a chance to finally go 'home'. If they don't then they stay playing this VR game for another round. The really bad news for most humans is that they embraced their smart phones, and once they did that they automatically set themselves back to square one. This technology is so bad for humanity, but the thing is that no one put a gun to their heads, they volunteered to connect to this technology which is the ultimate trap in this VR.

Iron Gates' book sounds interesting. But, I think that soon we will be experiencing such horrors that no book will be able to duplicate such interesting experiences we will soon have.

Thanks for the links, I will check them out. The Russian empire is part of this draconian royal family running the show; they are all related to one another, and the ones, like Putin, are very much aware of the coming catastrophe. I am sure his bunker is ready for his escape. I wish him and his buddies all the best.

You should get Jason's 'When the sun darkens' book, so that you can see the evidence of the cataclysms that have occurred continuously for the past 6 thousand years. And we are almost at the end of it. Lucky us. Most people will think that once we get through this last apocalypse that everything will be perfect for humanity; all the Satanic elites will die off and humanity will find itself living in a golden age. My feeling is different, because this equation does not include AI. AI will not require computers to take over this planet, it will only need humans to connect to, the humans will become its batteries. The vaccines have been designed to help with this. It's an incredible plan. Holy shit!

My friend, this simulation game is keeping me on my toes and I love it.

earthwatcher I’m with you my friend, I also feel like that humanity is in for an extremely rude awakening. I’ve noticed all the elites buying bunkers and such in New Zealand which to me says everything.

The soul aspect I agree with as well. I think the soul is made of such a high energy it reminds me of the sequel to the shining, Dr Sleep and these people live off the soul by sucking it out of young children.

Those links are definitely interesting I look forward to your take on them.

When the Sun Darkens. Would you say that’s a good place to start? I haven’t read anything of Jason’s yet so I’ll take your advice please?

To be honest with you I don’t know what is coming after. What you said about AI is interesting, that game I’m playing says this is the last simulation of the lot so make of that what you will. I can definitely see us being used for energy, The Matrix springs to mind.

The vaccines have been designed to help with this. It's an incredible plan. Holy shit!

Oh yes. All those nanotechnology and structures is a smoking gun to me.

I’m so glad I’m a vintage organic PureBlood haha.

Please, my friends call me Si or Simon. Thanks for your comment it’s nice to chat with someone who knows what I’m rambling on about haha

earthwatcher Have you come across Rudolf Steiner's Eighth Sphere and Ahriman?

Gigi Young Esoteric X Threshold: Rudolf Steiner Eighth Sphere Symbology! - [Link] (Dark Journalist interview)

Unfortunately the elite are those that have knowledge of surviving previous cycles and are the most likely group to survive any future cycles

Christian83 "When the sun darkens" is a good start. You will see the pattern that has been programmed into this VR universe; it's incredible. Haha, 'vintage organic PureBlood' that is a good way to describe us. Funny, I just mentioned to my neighbor today that I intend to stay a pure blood until I take my last breath. We sure do have a special kind of blood flowing in our veins. I bet all that blood being donated to blood banks, 87% of Canadian blood, is infected, and unfortunately some pure souls (those who are unvaxxed and waiting for organ transplant) who get a blood transfusion these days will also get infected. I feel like I am describing a scene from a horror movie with Wesley Snipes. Personally, I would refuse an organ transplant and would rather die.

Nice chatting with you too Simon. This is the time to stop holding back, we need to talk about everything, no matter how crazy it may all sound. We are seriously living inside a 'horror' simulated reality. When I watch 'the walking dead' show I wish we had those kind of zombies running around, they would be easy to control; I wish I knew how to fight like Michonne. The zombies we are dealing with on a daily basis is the real problem.

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earthwatcher Backbone of a Giant: Gate of the Sea Kings [Link]

HashAttack2 I just watched the interview, very interesting. I looked into Rudolf Steiner before, but have not heard of Ahriman.

I mentioned before here that I drowned and my soul detached from my body, so my opinion will differ from this lady. I feel that it is not possible to cannibalize our own souls. Our souls cannot be destroyed but they can be completely controlled by something else if we allow it, and that's what AI has been designed to do. What happens is that the organic bodies choose not to recognize who they truly are, that they have a God's divine creation attached to their bodies. Our souls are our best friends and our angles who take care of us, and in return we have to take care of our soul. All those people who accepted the mRNA vaxx failed to take care of their souls. I always think of my soul first. I also gave my soul the freedom to travel anywhere she wants during the night. People should get rid of their fear and just let the soul take off and teach us about things we didn't know, they are the best teachers we have.

I don't believe in higher guides or angels. My soul witnessed seeing that hybrid as well as this weird thing that I call 'a stickman' that had the most disgusting energy I ever experienced. I consider my soul to be my guardian angel. My soul is the one that takes care of me also when I am in danger. I had a few close calls with cars and I came out of them unharmed. I was even once in a car accident, this lady hit the side of my car and she ended up with some damage to it, but my car didn't even have a scratch. I thank my soul for that. People need to start acknowledging their souls for taking care of them instead of something else outside of them.

I don't feel that there are loving beings that do abductions. Abductions are not loving in any way, they are forced. When my soul takes off it's because it is free to do so, and not because it is forced to do so. That is my experience with my soul. Personally, I will not trust anyone or anything even when I die. I mentioned here before that I found myself in a vast gray area when I saw that being, a hybrid, just standing in a distance. I approached it and started talking to it telepathically but he just kept staring at me, he didn't expect me to be there. I felt that it just wanted me to go into that fake-loving tunnel/light, but my soul kept exploring the area and then I came across that electromagnetic wall. Anyhow, I already talked about it.

She is right on the DNA modification in humans; I felt this right from the start when the Covid hoax started. I feel sorry for all those humans who allowed themselves to be injected with this demonic sludge. The esoteric path that the Elites are following is the 'assimilation of AI into our virtual reality'. Majority of humans are already chasing their tails, and these people will not get it because it is just too much for them. What matters is that we understand this on a personal level, we need to take care of our own souls now.

earthwatcher I've listened to quite a few podcasts that DJ has done related to the Eight Sphere and Ahriman, probably better ones than I linked. Both concepts strike a deep chord within

DJ said something interesting about abductions recently, along the lines that what people think they experience is just them framing it within their reality

"We have a God's divine creation attached to our bodies" (slight edit)

I agree, the soul is part of Godhead, we just have to realise it

"A fish that is thirsty needs therapy" - Kabir

HashAttack2 DJ hasn't been dead yet in his body. Abductions have nothing to do with the soul detaching after the body expires. The thing is that he needs to experience it instead of listening to people talk about it, otherwise it just won't make sense to him. I am not suggesting that he should kill himself, it's just that even for me if I hadn't experienced being dead I would also have issues understanding what it feels like. But, it is understandable that the one, who does not understand death, would try to make sense of such an experience with possible abductions. I remember people talking about alien abductions a lot many years ago, and now, all of a sudden, they stopped. Why? Did the aliens take off after witnessing crazy people losing their minds these past 2 years? Personally, I have no experience with abductions as I have never been abducted by aliens. I would f...g kick their ass if they showed up at my doorstep.

earthwatcher I think I misunderstood your reference to abductions - DJ was talking about alien abductions, not after / near death ones

"I felt that it just wanted me to go into that fake-loving tunnel/light"

That sounds very Eight Sphere / Ahriman connected - It's sort of counts as free choice, but only by deception

HashAttack2 We always have a free choice. Just trust yourself, always.

earthwatcher C orrect - despite many claims to the opposite in art (e.g. movies) and so-called sciences.

Just google "free will" + "illusion" to see what I mean.

I refuse to participate in this thread that appears to be set up to cause divisiveness. I'd rather focus on the increase of illness and death due to the agent that is being forced upon men, women, and children. It is this which needs to be addressed:

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'Athlete Deaths are 1700% higher than expected since COVID Vaccine roll-out' BY THE EXPOSÉ ON JULY 30, 2022 [Link]

Indeed, you are right. But the origin of this divisiveness is the no-virus crowd who fanatically shove their talking points into the face of everyone who accepts that viruses are real, or that Covid is real and based on a viral infection. Without them, the anti-Covid-fascism movement wouldn't be so divided, and people would be more focused on the real issues. That should be obvious to anyone observing the dynamics.

Those of us who are pushing back here are not doing so because we enjoy trolling, or because we are fanatics. We almost always stay away from such fights. But at some point, this psy-op needs to be called out for what it is.

And it clearly is working because some people here show their true colors: their utter contempt for the hard work of the people behind Sott, a site that gives them so much and that they spend so much time reading and commenting. Trigger them a little, and boom.

parzival

I refuse to participate in this thread that appears to be set up to cause divisiveness. I'd rather focus on the increase of illness and death due to the agent that is being forced upon men, women, and children. It is this which needs to be addressed:

Absolutely. There's clearly something going on in that respect.

luke

and people would be more focused on the real issues. That should be obvious to anyone observing the dynamics.

I'm all for focusing on what is mutually beneficial to the most amount of people that has Service To Others as the main objective as opposed to Service To Self, which only feeds egoism...

I appreciate this platform for making it possible for reasonable debate to exist, regardless of personal beliefs, provided those beliefs aren't intended to cause harm to the platform and/or individuals attempting to learn & interact with one another.

That said, I believe the focus must be on those bent on stealing absolutely everything we own, taking control of every single financial transaction we hope to make, robbing us of every freedom we have ever had and then stealing our very genes themselves under the guise of a vaccination.

Personally, I will continue to resist being turned into a slave, and help to expose all heartless control freaks. My intent is to lend resistance to the plan that seems on its face to be suicidal anyway. They intend to either kill us themselves directly or ratchet up this WW3 all out war on humanity with their latest plague or through the use of starvation. They intend on excluding us from the financial system with their new wizbang 2 factor identification that they are forcing every financial institution to adopt under the premise of extra security.

We will fail to be identified. Our own computerised money will say: No. But then again it was never really our money now was it? No, it was all theirs. In fact they are bent on making everything there is theirs, including us. Well, either that or dead. It also appears that they like to be worshipped as well. It's all rather revolting how anti-human this agenda is.

I don't know what the answer is to the virus vs non-virus divide and conquer strategy being used. But we better mend our fences fast because we have larger issues that need to be addressed as an apex species, and soon...

parzival This is exactly the main issue we have found in our community group. In forming an Assembly I noticed that people need to relearn to cooperate. We have to appreciate our differences and work together to achieve our common goals. We have been taught to be individual and divided which thrives on competition rather than cooperation.

Last week we had a guest from Roma about 1000 klms away from us and he said the same thing: our number one priority is our relationships and how we treat each other. That is all Hod cares about too.

Joyly Under the guise of competition there exists the ego's principle of one or the other, as opposed to together or not at all. The assemblies are a great opportunity to expand that consciousness. It'll take a fairly small percentage of us, 10 to 14% to effect change locally, regionally, and internationally. In the same vein, I hope the One Belt One Road initiative going through Eurasia and eventually connecting to the rest of the world will become hugely successful. We have a lot of work to do within the empire to help to bring that initiative into the public's consciousness. A possible win-win for humanity as a whole...

luke Did your boss send you here by any chance? You are like an employee in training. So, what will you get after you pass your exam? Donuts? Free coffee? A promotion? More training somewhere else? You are obviously here to trigger people, but the thing is that most of us here don't give a rat's ass what your kind has to say, because we are beyond the programming. There is absolutely nothing your kind can say to us to change our minds about the toxic jab. If the Covid virus existed I should be the first one to be dead, but actually I am more alive than ever.

luke Did your boss send you here by any chance? You are like an employee in training. So, what will you get after you pass your exam? Donuts? Free coffee? A promotion? More training somewhere else? You are obviously here to trigger people, but the thing is that most of us here don't give a rat's ass what your kind has to say, because we are beyond the programming. There is absolutely nothing your kind can say to us to change our minds about the toxic jab. If the Covid virus existed I should be the first one to be dead, but actually I am more alive than ever.

You guys, seriously. Did I ever say the vax is harmless? Or that Covid is a deadly pandemic? Why is it that your "kind" can't get beyond the most primitive black and white thinking?

parzival Our Assembly is going well. Almost finished preparing our documents for reconveying . They are based on the work of Anna Von Reitz. But we are taking ours back beyond the Constitution or the MAgna Carta, and just reclaiming our inalienable God given rights.

Our discussions about the kind of community we are developing are really inspirational. We envisage having our own bank. School, hospital and other services; buying local and offering loans to farmers and manufacturers (anyone who wants to make something we need).

On the 1st August one Tribal Nation having proclaimed their sovereignty, won a case against the Northern Territory Govt for the I.P. Of the artifices on the shield. Damages are $200 million multiplied by 8 because they continued to use them. They won the case because the Govt were so arrogant they ignored the notices and so did not enter any rebuttal to their claims. That is how Common Law works.

Now even non tribal people can can the new TIBNLA for $50 and enjoy political immunity. Things are going crazy in the NT. Haha.

Joyly correction. … can join TIBNLA for $50 …

Joyly Hi Joyly! Thanks for sharing your experience with the Assembly. Those in government that think that might makes right and are above the people they are supposed to serve are sadly mistaken. It's time, as our Washington State Assembly so aptly put it recently, to restore our lawful government with Peace and Love. The Northern Territories will be the break away group that relies on their own sustainability. Shared interests over one or the other mentality.

Here's a breakdown of how the Washington State Assembly meeting went last Saturday:

11:00 – Meet and Greet - Convene and Visit – Lunch

Our Food is 100% organic except for some of the gluten free items. We will have Vegan and GF offerings. We suggest a donation of $15 per people for the buffet.

12:00 - Welcome

12:05 - Opening Prayer/ Decision/Giving Thanks to Anna

12:10 - The Washington Assembly Structure and Plan

2:30 – Break

3:00 – Community Support Teams/CERT Training/Militia

3:30 – Standing Up our Court Update

4:00 – Q and A

For those who can't attend in person Zoom call in is offered.

parzival That is cool. Thanks. What a small world it is. I am so excited with the way things are going. Recently we had a visit from a guy from Roma (360klms away). He worked his way out of the tax system back in 2011 and he is helping us enormously. We are going to keep working together. His group are at the same stage as we are. I will share your agenda with our mob - they will get a kick out of it too.

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Something in memory of RC

A friend sends them to me occasionally.

He has no idea what they mean to me.

earthwatcher I’m in complete agreement with the Lukester…What does that make me?

BluLiteDancing - a " Lukesterinian "? A "Lukelover" or maybe a lukewannabe.

Those are three possibilities, not of which probably captures your sentiment and who knows maybe you .....oh whatever.

Buffalo_Ken I’m a Luke lover because I believe viruses exist, got it chief. I guess delusion is your friend, thinking the Bills are gonna win it all and viruses don’t exist….

BluLiteDancing - I never said "viruses don't exist" - read the poem I typed on this thread about the virus of fear.

Anyhow, nothing wrong with being a Luke lover.

As for the Bills, I have high hopes.

Best Regards,

Ken

Buffalo_Ken I happen to agree with Luke that viruses exist. He seems to be alone on an island in this thread, along with a couple stragglers like me. I guess you were just making a joke. The Bills have as good a shot as anyone especially with your amazing qb.

BluLiteDancing - did you happen to watch that game last season against the Chiefs? That was the game Josh Allen really learned what it means to be a Buffalo Bill. I hope he took it to heart because he played his heart out near the end and could not have done better. Thanks.

Ken

Joyly Glad to share! We sure could use a tax over haul in this corrupt failed State...(Country) By the way, that was a terrific minute and a half of surfing your link provided! Thanks!!

Buffalo_Ken Showered off with borax and peroxide. Don't sniff his jock strap, tho...

Buffalo_Ken A great Senator from the great State of North Carolina! I remember the collective sigh of relief from a nation in turmoil following the Nixon debacle and his running on a platform of ending the war. Then it became peace with honor, and there was the major illegal bombing of Cambodia and Laos. Those poor people in Laos still suffering these days from the unexploded ordinance that lies dormant until some living thing happens upon it. Thanks for the link. As a history buff, I appreciate the retrospective, as a poetry lover the verse...

parzival - thank-you for your kind reply. I try to study history and sometimes it is like a left uppercut - it hits you unexpectedly.....still, that is why it is fun to study. I think Sam Ervin was a great student of the Constitution and I think it is not a coincidence that North Carolina........you know, I lost my train of thought, but it doesn't matter. All of us here are just trying to be more informed so that we can make good decisions.

Sometimes things must come to a head and then afterwards question to be asked is what lessons were learned? At the end of the day we have those we trust and so........we learn from those we trust.

If the internet goes offline we all know of each other, and sorry to tell you all but I have deduced much about each and every one of you and so we know we are out there and we know how to meet up with each other.

See you all in Buffalo - 4824.....and hopefully sooner, but jeesh....the shit is getting heated ain't it?

Buffalo_Ken Yeah, it was 109 F today by me. The thing about sh!+ getting heated is, it gives you a startling view of whether or not you are prepared to keep on keepin' on. You can't help everyone, but if you can extend a hand to someone who needs it, someone who stands a good chance of keepin' up with you, you have an ally to move through any imbalance until you're able to regroup. With two comes four, comes sixteen, comes two hundred fifty-six...etc.

I've worked in the medical field most of my life, so my prepping reflects that. I have three 28 kilo/68 lb back packs full of medical gear to help with broken bones, physical trauma, gun shot wounds, minor surgery. I have no plan to bug out, but to bug in. I have enough food and water for 2 for about 8 months. I'm about a 15 minute walk from both a hospital and the Nat'l Guard armory. So depending on the situation, I'm heading to one of those places first. If there are no EMP events that follow a catastrophe of one sort or another, I have radios and walkie talkies with back up batteries to communicate line of sight for up to two miles or 3.2 kilometers. So I'm readying myself psychologically now for a mass casualty event. If its nukes, all bets are off.

parzival - I have faith that the human spirit will find a way out of this conundrum that most have no say in. The forces pushing in the direction of harm are realizing slowly but surely that there are other forces out there pushing in the opposite direction. What the forces of harm have no idea about is how strong the opposing forces really are and I mean strong - so strong. So seems to me it would be good to have you close by if things got really hostile, but odds are you are in your place and I'm in mine, so lets hope that level of hostility never happens, but still it is good to be prepared - a good Scout is better than a sharp sniper anyday of the week. Saying #911

Buffalo_Ken That's a good saying ! Reminds me of the boy scout motto which I recited as the boy scout oath once a week for 5 years as a youngin'. 'Always Be Prepared'

Buffalo_Ken A great Senator from the great State of North Carolina! I remember the collective sigh of relief from a nation in turmoil following the Nixon debacle and his running on a platform of ending the war. Then it became peace with honor, and there was the major illegal bombing of Cambodia and Laos. Those poor people in Laos still suffering these days from the unexploded ordinance that lies dormant until some living thing happens upon it. Thanks for the link. As a history buff, I appreciate the retrospective, as a poetry lover the verse...

Ken, as parzival said (had read from your link earlier), much appreciated.

During the timeline mentioned, in and out of LBJ to Nixon, what seemed to be described in part by Ervin , looked like, and had the signatures of, a made for home Phoenix Program - in opposition to the one set up primarily in Vietnam, with the addition of Cambodia and Laos.

A couple of other things said of Ervin (your link), was looking to LBJ's policies around racial lines, which linked to other happenings during LBJ's pathological presidential tenure, looking to increased quotas of African Americans to feed to the North Vietnamese. This is in LBJ's communication papers, couched in soft LBJ language while greenlighting the military industrial complex to build and go, send us the bill later.

Buffalo_Ken On the subject of keep on keepin' on... [Link]

parzival Awesome presentation. Thank you for the post.

stevejc

All vaccines cause harm.

GCO Hmm, I wonder why....

Clove (Syzygium aromaticum): a precious spice The antiviral activity of eugeniin, a compound isolated from S. aromaticum and from Geum japonicum, was tested against herpes virus strains being effective at 5 µg/mL, and it was deducted that one of the major targets of eugeniin is the viral DNA synthesis by the inhibition of the viral DNA polymerase [34].

In another study, aqueous extracts of S. aromaticum (L.) Merr. et Perry and other plants as Geum japonicum Thunb., Rhus javanica L., and Terminalia chebula Retzus among others showed strong antiherpes simplex virus type 1 (HSV-1) activity when combined with acyclovir. This synergic activity was stronger in the brain that in the skin and it was also proved that those combinations were not toxic to mice[35].

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The chemical composition and biological activity of clove essential oil, Eugenia caryophyllata (Syzigium aromaticum L. Myrtaceae): a short review

Eugenia caryophyllata has been investigated on several microorganisms and parasites, including pathogenic bacteria, Herpes simplex and hepatitis C viruses. In addition to its antimicrobial, antioxidant, antifungal and antiviral activity, clove essential oil possesses antiinflammatory, cytotoxic, insect repellent and anaesthetic properties.

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Bellheezy

Why does it have to be 100% terrain theory or 100% germ theory???

It doesn't. It isn't. Only those suffering from the Black And White Thinking Retardation Virus think it does. Its a lifelong disease, with the only possibility of a cure sprouting from within the infected patient's otherwise barren 'inner terrain'.

BlackCartouche Welcome back Cartouche. Been awhile.

JohnnyQuest Thanks, but I was never really away, just lurking

Gnostic - when a black-hole is close by, thank your fortune if you get to observe, but odds are it wasn’t happenstance because observing a black-hole requires balance, and balance takes practice. Ask any ballerina dancer and she will affirm that.

If you don’t want to get sucked in, I hope you have principle for your own sake. One time in my imagination I was swirling around a black-hole, but I escaped by virtue of willpower. Willpower is stronger than any lack hole virus of fear, and then the will[owner of many magnitudes stronger.

Buffalo_Ken - for the sake of accuracy….

- when a black-hole is close by, thank your fortune if you get to observe, but odds are it wasn’t happenstance because observing a black-hole requires balance, and balance takes practice. Ask any ballerina dancer and she will affirm that.

If you don’t want to get sucked in, I hope you have principle for your own sake. One time in my imagination I was swirling around a black-hole, but I escaped by virtue of willpower. Willpower is stronger than any black hole virus of fear , and then the willpower of many together in resonance is orders of magnitudes stronger. Fearsomely strong and undeniable. Resistance from the middle suffering no fools.

Buffalo_Ken Balance is key in this dualistic world if one is to be able to function without getting sucked in. Yes BK.

Have a great morning.

I raise my glass to all the critical thinkers / conspiracy theorists.

May we all stay balanced by leaning on and being supported by one another in our quest for Truth and doing so in Love unconditional.

Peace and more peace to you. Serenity is priceless.

The Ghost of RC - I doubt you. RC would never say that. You are fast from the get-go. Be gone ghost of I’ll repute. You smell. Your whimsical ways are coming to an abrupt end. You are not real - you are a false wisp. May you get what you give.

Buffalo_Ken I can't post on my Tsidkenu account; the hypocrites banned it mate and they deleted all the evidence I compiled of their religious belief in viruses.

THE TRUTH HURTS AY.

This is a sacrificial account which I don't give a shit if they ban and remove (which they 100% will because they're hypocrites)

The Ghost of RC I doubt you. RC would never say that. You are false from the get-go. Be gone ghost of ill repute. You smell. Your whimsical ways are coming to an abrupt end. You are not real - you are a false wisp. May you get what you give. If you got something to say, say it on your own account - not upon RC will you tread.

The Ghost of RC Hey, Ken is right. It's not cool using RC's name in this way. If you're on a personal vendetta, I suggest you leave RC's name out it.

R‌owan would take your head I can't post on my Tsidkenu account; the hypocrites banned it mate and they deleted all the evidence I compiled of their religious belief in viruses.

THE TRUTH HURTS AY.

This is a sacrificial account which I don't give a shit if they ban and remove (which they 100% will because they're hypocrites)

Eternal coward.

The Ghost of RC - get over yourself. You stole the name of another to present accusations against others? The punishment for that is death to the ghost never existed in the first place. You diminish yourself. Begone before stronger forces……..

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Q: (Chu) There's a discussion on the "No Virus" thread and Mandatory Intellectomy wanted to ask questions about it.

(Joe) How correct are scientists' ideas about viruses?

A: Close enough though there is a lot they do not know including the fact that a virus is a transdensity structure.

Q: (Joe) Do viruses come from outside of the human body or from inside?

A: Both.

Q: (Joe) So the body can also make them?

A: Yes

Q: (Joe) Are they infectious?

A: Depending on the specific virus. Mostly, yes.

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Still no evidence that the C's are instrumental to SOTT virus beliefs. Nope. None.

Dude can't even do enough research to find out what SOTT editors thought about viruses before July 17. What a clown.

hkoehli

Dude can't even do enough research to find out what SOTT editors thought about viruses before July 17.

Help me out a tad here: where might I find what the eds thought pre-July 17th ?

Good Optics Podcast episodes (like O:H or NewsReal), the choice of articles posted on SOTT (and comments), for a start.

parzival The vaxxed pose more risk, because as soon as they were vaxxed they went out and behaved like there was no pandemic. And then there were massive outbreaks again. Not from the unvaxxed, but from the vaxxed.

And it sure doesn't feel like the persecution is done with yet...

parzival Finally, some respect for the control group. I only hope they inflated the vaxxed numbers just to con more people and the cull won't be so bad.

Artex In time we'll know...

oldschoolrider Pfizer needs the kid jab to get on the kid's vaccine schedule, further indemnity after EUA ends. What need, natural immunity is better.

oldschoolrider That guy, correct though he might be, is someone I simply cannot sit through. I DO NOT need someone ranting in my face

Good Optics i know, pisses me off at times, typical londoners really..

but the topic is epic.. kids in the firing line, most wont make it to 20yrs old, or breeding age!!

planet depop in full swing.. an now china massing the troops, maybe readying to go into taiwan, all thanks to crackhead nutjob nancy..

horse More like you can't prove it's the fault of the clot shot if there's no control group.

AmandaMay Thanks a lot, perhaps more people will be able to admit to themselves they've been lied to all the time since primary school and break their own mental prison (which very few can do) and accept that everything could be more or less different than taught by gov't mass indoctrination system (school, media, scientist circle-jerk et al.)

I've read about the polio fraud and Rockefeller heavily invested in modern medicine since its beginning about a year or more ago in a printed magazine in Czech language and since then I've become convinced that is the case, as the only ones diagnosed with so-called Covid I know are the jabbed ones lately, no flu around in summer (that's why they widened the "Covid" symptoms definition multiple times to make it as vague as possible, allowing for just about ANYTHING to pass as "Covid" on the basis of UNRELIABLE PCR tests)..

But the majority will never believe it, they'd rather run for their 5th, 6th.. etc. booster and be "protected".. from woes of living for too long to see the truth, supposedly

AmandaMay Didn't watch all of it, but he seems specifically to speak of *respiratory* viruses. Rather than NO viruses at all, FYI.

But anyway, at 18:26 mark he says (paraphrasing the gov. advice):

"the only ones that can be useful are; if you are symptomatic stay away from other people until you are better..."

He's dancing with the wording. Because why would that be useful if the governments could just say stay at home if you are symptomatic, feeling ill? Which the governments did. As per insisting people with symptoms stay at home for 7 or 10 or 14 or 20+ days or face severe penalties. So the way he volunteered that was wobbly and that bothers me because it was needless and 'off' to say that, like that, and it made him come across a bit slippery there... Which suggest to me Yeadon is not trustworthy.

BlackCartouche Yes, I caught that too--he says there was NO new virus with Covid (so total HOAX). And he also says there are NO infectious respiratory viruses as we have been told. I think he kept his language focused on respiratory viruses, because that's where his expertise lies. But I'm getting the sense that he's waking up to viruses being a total hoax.

AmandaMay Who knows... I still like the man. If I agree with him 100% isn't important.

DeliciousTears Oh, yes, I'm a huge fan of his. I used to follow him on twitter and saved many of his posts before it got deleted. He was basically calling it a hoax back then too, but not as directly--back then he was basically saying it's a PCR false positive pandemic (no virus required). But this is the first time, he's directly said there was NO covid virus and that respiratory viruses as described simply DO NOT EXIST. He's a huge hero IMO--he was out there right away warning about the poison kill shots and the depopulation operation. I'm in the no-virus camp (Kaufman, Cowan, Rappoport, Bailey, etc.) but I still appreciate the contributions of others even if they aren't in that same group (Tenpenny, Madej, etc).

AmandaMay Thanks Amanda. A very short take. [Link]

BlackCartouche Lol... poking the Reeeeeeeeee!

BlackCartouche - if vaccines didn’t exist would we even be debating about a virus?

Your query is circuitous.

Illogical. Logically flawed.

I think the true cause of the symptoms might be discovered faster as was in the DDT poisoning masked as "polio virus" case of just another Rockefeller fraud - which could have been a mere exosome produced by dying cell and perhaps it can have (akin to cancer) mechanism to transfer its information (RNA) and multiply and grow uncontrollably (to the point of killing "the host")..

Also, we have on average about 2kg of bacteria and viruses in our bodies and yet we can live about a hundred years if our immune system can keep them under control.. Maybe it's possible to induce a failure of the immunity system (especially by over-sanitization and distancing & face-diapers) also by other means as radiation, additives in food/water, chemtrails, lifestyle (over-worked/stressed) + habituals (drugs, sex etc.) and when different threats to our inner balance become activated in our body, then we get symptoms and we actually feel the limitations of the ilness.. That's why I consider Chinese medicine and Ayurveda so important, as they deal with the "stuff" from another and effective point of view, not merely treating patients with patented chemical drugs made to suppress the symptoms and keep the patient in need of steady supply of one or another drug (because some have side effects and may require additional treatment by MORE drugs )

As for respiratory viruses, I've read a very technical explanation long time ago, it's basically about body cleaning itself and stabilising the nitrogen oxide(?) level in the cells when weather changes substantially long-term (hot/cold season also wet/dry), similar to decompression process when going up from the depths in the water, it does take some time, but this is more like days compared to minutes and is gradual.. I wish I could explain it better, but I'm not here to convince anyone about anything, just to say my opinion, not that it really matters anyway (unless the opinion can be enforced upon someone, which would be a silly thing to do anyway, since it never worked but by fear)

AmandaMay posted here a link to a video of (can't remember name) speaking about respiratory viruses being fake recently, I think it was this thread, so I'm convinced even further that this Covid is little more than a sequence of an exosome from god knows what exactly or a mere computer model of it and a great excuse to collect everyone's DNA via swabs and produce genetic-targeted (nanotech?) agents, the REAL "viruses" to be sprayed, injected or administered by other ways.. Perhaps a "timed-bomb" in the blood of the jabbed or making them dependant on antidote/booster to prolong life..

Don't forget the Western paradigm was briefly about "the People" and their enlightment, mostly it was and predominantly nowadays is about $PROFIT first & foremost.. And on whose else backs to build it than on proletariat kept all their lives in the LIE (24/7)?

(Also, why they ban cheap and effective treatment and reserve such for the ELITES and government talking heads? Commoners get the jab or the ventilator and death sentence on ICU.. )

DeliciousTears & BlackCartouche And let's not forget why they put aluminium adjuvant in most of the vaccines - to provoke the "immune response", the same response which is used to evaluate the vaccine "efficiency" if I'm not mistaken (as in "It's okay if you get a little sick, that's normal, as you've been administered a weakened/dead virus in the vaccine and your body has to get over it“ when you've been injected with toxic chemicals that have long lasting effect on health and can even kill some )

Also, what's up with that "reee" you lot are so fond of? It's childish divisive games on "us vs. them heathens" of some sort or what's the psychology behind this? I'm sure there must be some team I'm not a part of, perhaps the editors or the avid virus believers?

Didn't Jesus say something along the lines of letting happen to oneself what one believes in? I'll trade that virus belief anyday, it's worthless anyway as it's fear foremost - well, if you get contaminated with a long lasting *whatever* you can counter with cheap/effective antivirotics/biotics, then you're probably safe and if it's some QUICK acting poison, then you're probably done anyway without having the respective antidote at disposal.. What's the point of living in constant fear of death by some unstoppable invisible particles that the vaccines are supposed to neutralize but they don't?! Have fun.

KROMM - my plan is to stay out of the doctor’s office and never willingly submit to a vaccine ever again, because evidence suggest vaccines, especially lately, cause more harm than good. Eff the medical establishment and big Harma - bunch a effing liars. Proven liars. Who needs a liar around the campfire. Undesired in all ways - just like vaccines for a virus that may or may not even exist.

KROMM - above and beyond that I plan on being a good neighbor for whom when I die they will say: with Ken ‘‘twas all on the table and what you saw was what you got”. I’m all in at the table. Place your bets comrades. Let’s have discourse and then let the chips fall where they will. I bet one silver coin - tis a beauty….out of Mejico. Sweet Liberty - 1983. Pure silver goodness. I got my fair share and I’m ready for fair discourse.

Buffalo_Ken Well put, Ken! If people would not trust criminal organizations like Phizz.. whatever, then maybe there wouldn't be so many casualties (especially among youth), but that would require the majority to posess the ability to grow a brain (or two, when the profiteers would learn of it and squeeze the common man for his intellect instead of the physical/attention span values, eh?)

But the day shall come when the sheeple will be told who is responsible for their woes in TV and they would topple their governments and make it easy for the Globo-$$$ squad to take over (the billion-dollar men would be sovereign rumors say, others end up enslaved & jabbed all the time), I can place my bet on that, albeit I have nothing to bet really except my hope if it's worth anything

KROMM - I don’t disagree - tis delicate balance needed. Let’s bet on something simpler. I bet the whole COVID thing is a virus of fear. 1 silver ounce - Troy ounce I reckon - bounced onto the table.

Here is the coin. [Link]
Although, mine looks better than that - very limited exposure to oxygen mine has had.

Buffalo_Ken I'll take that bet, I got an old silver dollar too. COV-2 is a patented virus and so is the COV-2 vax. They exist in the legal sense. Fauci owns the patents. They were lab created. The bad thing about this string of genetic code is that it attacks the immune's t-cells just like HIV. It has been used to cause fear. The virus doesn't even need to be in the wild for them to use it as an excuse for the jabs. The jabs are the bigger problem.

horse - ok two silver coins in agreement.

Buffalo_Ken Another respiratory virus is one thing, but they take the opportunity to inject a concoction into people. Not only to make money, what are they doing to people they inject?