The banality of racism: Vice airs documentary on Black women who take "healing retreats" to get away from White people

LonSabbatical Did you actually watch the vid' ? ?

I have now...

It's quite racist.... to white people. If white people had a retreat that outwardly banned black people, like a marketing gimmick, there would be outrage. Not saying those retreats don't exist, they might just be marketed differently or located somewhere inhospitable e.g. a very very expensive resort somewhere in the middle of nowhere in iceland ... no sane black person would go there for vacation HAHA

Apart from the racism in the video... I saw gender discrimination. Where are the men at? Forget white men... there's no even black men. It's like one of those women's only yoga retreats where they yap on about being a woman and no man is allowed in other than to fix plumbing and whatnot if there's a leak

Dear Sir,

So seldom do we come up with an original thought as no doubt, given our sheer numbers on this planet, it is more often than not, that someone else out there has thought what you have and most likely taken it one step further.

Please see below, in direct relation to your thoughts pertaining this issue


Good day!

lolo Bettcha there was a colored hand involved in all these activities you ignorant F**** ...Usually to benefit the so called Whites...

Seriously SOTT is this the minds that you're nurturing with all the unbalanced right BS...Fukk me...!!!

Good Optics sir. if I did not have to suffer your own "passive-aggressiveness" and "microaggressions"

my own life would be way more breezy...

is there a resort for me?

[Link]

HVACTech My disgust is neither 'micro' nor 'passive' . . . It's a neat shot of 40 over-proof; straight up in other words.

If you don't like it: leave. It's very simple.

And, having spent 20 years intimately around high grade country music (yes, there is) the Garth Brooks link seems me wholly off topic, not to mention banal.

My advice to him is the same: If you don't like where you are hanging . . . leave.

And maybe take up a little mid-90s Cohen [Link] while you're about it, perhaps a little Annie Lennox [Link] or some Mavis Staples [Link]
Simple and, discounting the fact that you take yourself wherever you go, entirely effective . . .

Good Optics Well said. They are "reacting" to their own real experiences of life that a lot of fascists here don't or refuse to understand. There's an element of hypocrisy & kachang at the cashier for sure but stiff shit it's everywhere.

Yeah I know...2 wrongs...BLAHHHHHHHHH...!!!

Can anyone seriously claim there's no discrimination towards darker skin colors in the USA...GTFO...

Start your own blind camps where even the one eyed is not allowed.

Good Optics Here's a better Annie Lennox take [Link] where we read:

"Medusa is the second solo album by the Scottish singer Annie Lennox, released in March 1995. It is composed of eleven songs that originally belonged to male singers, all re-recorded by Lennox.

However a commentor wrote:

Chris Andrus 1 year ago

[ . . .] though it's by-and-large true that these tunes are penned by and in most cases made famous by, males, at least one exception should be noted: Chrissy Hind (The Pretenders) is the author, and to my knowledge the only performer, of "Thin Line Between Love & Hate" . . .

Good Optics "In closing I'd ask what the FUCK is wrong with you people, but I don't think a (wo)man jack amoung you has any idea whatever."

That is a question all posters should be asking themselves, and you shouldn't direct the question to 'everyone else' as it pertains to you as well.

However, I think the main point in this article is the the language they use to justify the retreat. It is not as if they just said we wanted a retreat where a black person can come and re identify with our culture and relax with others on the same mission. No, we get , whites this and whites that. If these ladies left out the rhetoric of race no one here would really care about what they do, and I think that is a missing point: no one cares what others do in their free time, but you can berate others in the process.

And this is Vice. They peddle their own agenda

Bye Assuming you're an American: what's the issue with owning the US' mass mind racism ? ?

Why the denial and the projections ? ?

Do you never ask yourself what might have been your part, your family's part, your friends part, your culture's part in it all.

Few things sell as well as victimization. The utter and audacious hypocrisy of one who can afford a plane flight to Costa Rica, eat out, stay in a nice hotel and whine that they are victims.

Sure, and ditch your job, spend your savings, start a new life, raise enough money to buy your own property and set about the creation of a place where those who feel as disenfranchised as you did, and likely still do, can go to find some camaraderie and gain the strength that comes form knowing they're not alone. To make common ground amoung others that's only a phone call away once back in the Unassailable System of Assholes.

The world is not an OK place and people need respite from it all, that's why they're called 'retreats'.

Bye Americans need to 'get out more' and I applaud that. That means get out of their country more, see how other people in the word live (and suffer) just like they do.

Most would think that they can't afford it. Most would think they 'can't rock the boat' (when they can). Most would think they can't change the world, when they can. Most would be wrong. The media has them convinced.

Bye Yeah you just keep believing it...There's No such thing as Victims..NO Discrimination...Maybe NO Wage Slavery & if we all work hard like that fraud Peterson we can achieve anything...Got news for you...90% of people work way more than hard & get no where...You should realize that these lucky women have achieved something many maybe never will...Realized Reality...And are doing something honest for them selves with their own money.

And so long as they're not hurting anyone they can spend it as they like...That's Liberty...!!!

DactivateD Your comments not worth more than 2 cents anyhow...Raging over nothing ???...I've heard it all now...So we're all imagining that racism & discrimination's real at all. Oh well my keyboard's safe but my forehead isn't...I'll have to bury my head in the sand too I think & create my own reality.

DactivateD SOTT has reply notification? How do i activate it?

lysna Since you started this train of comment, I thought the same about you funny enough. Your comments never show much intelligent thought. I am happy you don't comment much.

sbc Just joking but see how being insulted sucks? Sorry if I offended too much. Your comments are fine.

sbc How to turn on notifications? Did not know SOTT had it.

sbc LOL...I'd first ask why my comments suck...What was unintelligent about them...And I could care less about what you thought of my comments unless you explained your self...I may get a little emotional & to the point at times as men can do but it's not often I don't give some argument or explanation. Damn I hate using that word... I...but you sucked me into it...

You're welcome to treat me the same as I treat you...but I do understand & value your input... ...Just Joking...

All the Best.

Highland Fleet Lute Wow! No wonder women find you so irresistible... You really are a real-life seksy alfa man-stud!

BlackCartouche Oh do stop that. Anyway, that was ages ago. I'm a lot better looking now than I was then.

One thing I remember about that shoot is that it was a two-dayer in this old Victorian music hall off Cable Street, I only did about a day of it, 'cause me and this guy Ebonard got so teed off with having to listen to that damn tune over and over again that we both nicked off to the nearest pub in full Edwardian gear. Of course, nobody took a blind bit off notice either way.

Highland Fleet Lute

I can't stand Annie Lennox

That's interesting: personally, professionally, both, neither ? ?

Highland Fleet Lute When I was a young whippersnapper I did a three-dayer as an extra for Val Kilmer's movie The Saint. Had to wear the same cloths for 3 days. Think I'm in it for about 1.5 seconds in a Hertford College dining hall scene. Got paid £80 cash for eating verrrrrry slowly 2 hrs each day... Not too bad I suppose.

Like a fine wine that matures with age... I've gotten much more handsome too

Good Optics I quite like Annie Lennox myself...

BlackCartouche Cash!!!

Mmm. Those were the days. LOL.

BlackCartouche Well... whatever.

What I really liked was the Stevie Wonder chromatic harmonica solo on 'There Must Be An Angel'.

A thing of real and rare beauty.

sbc I have actually lost colored friends because I wouldn't apologize for slavery or racism that I'm not a part of, AFTER Obama was elected and started pouring his salt on the societal wounds blaming black behaviors on white aggression and suppression, limiting blacks' personal responsibility for their own actions and future as in integrated demographic. Or his ,"I don't trust the cops" speech. That man did nothing for bringing the country together.

sbc Really?? Couldn't have been your friends then. Then again, I doubt you were any a friend of theirs either.

sbc "I have actually lost colored friends because I wouldn't apologize for slavery or racism."

A generation of spoilt kids, who've never gone without, never gone hungry, never suffered, and want more.

You can bet their parents weren't like that.

agni Yes unfortunately I think they are serious...

The complaints that they raised were e.g. someone complimented one on her hair, another was complemented on how well she spoke

These are vile and terrible things to have to hear about oneself and when it comes from a white person then you just know that it is meant in the worse possible way

My great granddad probably fought my great granddad in the war ... I blame myself and any of my descendants, in perpetuity

Ever heard about such thing as trauma ? Let's say your neighbour abused your mom back in 60's. Person who done that are dead, but offsprings of the person never wronged you, still your neighbours, so you will totally attend their parties if invited and be all neighbourly too, right ? Because you know, everything is nice and peachy now. No hard feelings, right ?

Holding a grudge... only one hurting then is the person holding the grudge, it don’t make things better, and those ladies will go back to the states with reinforced raciest stereotypes after the retreat... unconsciously reacting to some ill-conceived micro-aggression and aid in the propagation more polarisation... yeah! some parts of the states are shit... some parts of every country has shit of some description or another going on...

We need to grow up as a species... stop playing the victim and wake the hell up, and I’m won’t hold my breath for those KKK ideologues, somebody has to stop acting the moron and stop mirroring the stupidity of inbred American white folk, over there.

If not, the world become like a well organised supermarket of ‘crunchy tasty’ specials, each with their own section. This week we have SWJ’s on special, next week get two polarised marginalised filleted sections of the population for the price of one.

I have no idea who buying, but people are just jumping to be placed on a shelf, all they need is a barcode.

agni It is called intergenerational trauma. However, your example proves that the trauma can go both ways (color plays no role). Most times a generation later and no one may be the wiser to the trauma suffered by the relative in the previous generation. The trauma lives on if one wants it to do so. If that relative lived their life reliving the event day after day they are surely going to pass down some sort of suggested relationship towards that event to their offspring. If they come to terms with the trauma, accept it, and work toward healing then there could be a case made that they would pass on a heightened knowledge toward the event rather than submissive.

And what did it take ? If nazis were not defeated, decided to stop doing their nazi stuff, say forget about it to anyone affected, you think results would be the same ? No questions, no answers, lets move along ?

agni Forget about it & move on...You're trying to explain the sensation of water on ones skin to people that wear all body wet suits to bed.

lysna Well said . . .

Good Optics I think you're arguing on the wrong article. You're raising points totally wasted here. Lets face it... the two black girls are an embarrassment to any issue raising any kind of awareness.

As for HFL, I find hind him to be the most least-racist-yet-racially-aware commenter on SOTT (if you get what i mean).

If my last recent encounter with you is anything to go by, you're out of character... Hmm... I wonder...

Good Optics

No one, not one person, in this p.o.s. comment thread has said, "I wonder what they're thinking and feeling; I wonder what their lives have been like, their families' lives, their forebears' lives."

Let me offer you an example. I have relatives living in Afghanistan, a country where there still is danger, partly due to the West's - mainly US - involvement in it. It's a strategic area to be in with Russia, China, and Iran being nearby and all that - they're not there to make the place any better. If I'd live in the US, should I go to a retreat and get away from Americans, and bond with my fellow Persians, because of what the Deep State has done to the country I happen to be from? No, I don't, because I have the common sense that someone's origin, or even skin color, doesn't come with a label that says: Danger! Racist! Oppressor! I've known and met various Americans, and they're pretty cool, actually. So what these people are doing is quite sad, they're isolating themselves from Caucasian people, some of whom I'm pretty sure have done a LOT for black communities. They're only helping themselves. Plus, I'm pretty sure many black people don't feel and think the same way they do (not that I think those ladies have done a lot of 'thinking').

BlackCartouche A lot of my best mates at my South London primary school and on, were cool Jamaicans straight off the banana boat, and school was all very cool, man. There was none of this bullshit around then, and I'll be unlikely to 'upgrade and update' my records according to the warped diktats of a bunch of ID-pol lunatics, and victims of same over this and similar issues at any time in the near future.

In London, it's very difficult for snow-flakey types to make an argument with me over these issues, 'cause I just say, "Were you in the Brixton riots? No you weren't, so f*ck off". LOL.

Oxajil "So what these people are doing is quite sad, they're isolating themselves from Caucasian people."

Well exactly, it's about turning yourself into a historical artifact, when you could be a living kicking human being, kicking along with other living kicking human beings.

Oxajil You need to walk a mile in their shoes...Not your own but theirs. Maybe a history lesson would help as well and a study on how blacks are still treated today...Sure one can't stereotype all people as the same but one can't ignore facts & history either.

Here's a nice song to lighten things up for all of us...[Link]

lysna Is the suffering these ladies experience unique to the suffering of others? They're not any more special than any other person. Time to stop being victims, methinks.

Oxajil You're asking the wrong person about these ladies experiences...And that's the point I'm making...Go and ask them if you really want to know..How can you or I know without walking a mile in their shoes. Circumstances can be as unique as people and experienced in many unique ways. And don't give me the banal nonsense about there's No Victims...The wold is full of them...

I think if you actually put on a burka and sung the Gods' honest truth from the rooftops in a busy street about what's happening to your victimized people in Afghanistan you may just discover what a victim feels like...Better still paint your skin black and wear an afro wig whilst doing it...Now that's even more interesting.

Please Go and ask your relatives if they're just playing victim.

Maybe they should just get over it eh.

Ah heck get over it you bunch of whiners...

Me...I would get a gun & start shooting the bastards but not everyone is me or capable of the same...That's what we need to understand.

lysna I'm not saying there aren't any victims. Everyone has suffered or will suffer in one way or another. But you can grow from it, and become stronger and wiser, or you can get stuck in it, and become your own worst enemy.

Oxajil Growth takes time. Victims take longer. They will grow as we grow...We don't need to isolate these girls further with our ignorance. As such we're only proving we haven't learnt much and judging by some of the comments here they're right.

lysna I hope they'll 'grow', but I doubt it. We'll see.

lysna Dr. Jordan Peterson calls the above [taking a vacation away from white people]: "More blind self-righteous identity- politics-victim-racism..." and I agree.

Oxajil That's too many words Peterson uses to describe "himself"... and his "disciples"...Hey its good when he know ALL about everything & everyone...What's next...The Peterson Cooking Hour Show...The Peterson Daily News Show...The Special One Hour Peterson on How to Serve like Federer Analysis.

Talk about Banality...

BlackCartouche I am somewhat out of character, I'm fed up with idiots and saying so in no uncertain terms.

Do note HFL's ad hominem attack(s) below, which will not be dignified by a response.

Oxajil

They're only helping themselves. Plus, I'm pretty sure many black people don't feel and think the same way they do (not that I think those ladies have done a lot of 'thinking').

You make three points here and all cases I think it's a 'Maybe, maybe not' in all three.

But it's certainly a fact that we have before us an only short interview. I think a deeper look is warranted long before any conclusions are posited.

Careful questions, careful listening and thoughtful discussion are in order.

Yet, almost everyone here acts as though they've heard all there is to hear . . .

Highland Fleet Lute Ah, yes... But where were you August 2011?

Jade Mmmm . . . another 'thinker' it would seem . . .

Obviously to all but your BC, your village was starved O_O



[Link]

Highland Fleet Lute I said up the page that I wasn't going to 'dignify' your ad hominem horseshit with a reply but little comment got lost in the noise this thread has become.

So, I'll simply call your pathetic rebut just what it is.

An ad hominem ? ?

Highland Fleet Lute I would LOVE to know the finger error that causes thing to post before they're ready to go. I still haven't figured it out.

==================================

I said up the page I wasn't going to 'dignify' your ad hominem horseshit with a reply but that little comment got lost in the noise this thread has become.

So, I'll simply call your pathetic rebut just what it is: just that, pathetic.

An ad hominem ? ?

Really ? ?

Making yet more of a perfect horse's ass of yourself is your best shot ? ?

Oh wait, maybe you don't care, being self-evidently much. too. cool. to actually buckle down to a reasoned response.

Oh yes, maybe I'm five eight and wear a size six or eight, depending, and size nines. Maybe . . . but you wouldn't know now would you and, going back to ad hominem land, why might it matter in the least ? ?

You're exactly the sort of dipshit who gives men a bad name, the sort who exactly justifies what the protagonists here are on about: taking a break from assholes, networking, creating camaraderie and community within and from which to live more constructively in their worlds back Stateside . . .

They are seeking to better themselves through noise-free hiatus . . .

Perhaps you've noticed: Assholes make a lot of noise . . .

LindaMay " your BC"??

BlackCartouche I'm drawing a blank as well

LindaMay Why thank you kind Lady...!!!...The lyrics are way better than the tune but it may just be appropriate to this discussion.

Highland Fleet Lute It seems you can't read..I said why WE all fail...Putting you're own words into others mouths is what you do best anyhow...If I suffer from huge rage rampages that make 2 of us so it's somewhat like the pot calling the kettle black I'd say. Hey but you're cherry picking now aren't you..

Was it my apology that insulted you. I'm sure your capable of doing the same so don't underestimate your self.

To be honest I don't see much intelligence or broad mindedness or understanding in these comments...Lot's of ignorance, denial & evident racists ..inflexibility & lots & lots of banality.. just regurgitated nonsense from people incapable of thinking freely.

Led by the nose like cows.

Did you say my brain's starved of Oxygen...???...Bro I keep a bottle of it here for the times you comment & suck all oxygen of the face of the planet with you ego..It gets a bit hard to breathe after reading some of your stiff upper lip hard nose shit.

lysna I am with you.

I see the people building the retreat as some who have had it up to here with inbred, racist BS, are done with putting up with it, are calling it out and are creating a place for those who feel likewise.

The title of Thomas Hardy's, "Far From the Madding Crowd" comes easily to mind.

Vacations, getaways, retreats and road trips are of course well known and perfectly accepted ways of 'getting away from it all'.

And 'all' could be anything; a hated occupation, a psychopathic boss, a relationship that no longer works, the ceaseless mental noise of a million neurotic people shaking the psychic ground under one's feet.

How often are we told the forest is good for us, a rainy day, the ocean, an island, even a 'stay-cation' ? ?

Getting away is of undeniable value in re-centering, re-grounding; there is no argument.

Not often heard are peoples' reasons for getting away ,it's easier to assume it's for pleasure and very often it is.

Sometimes however pleasure isn't at the top of the list.

Sometimes it's to get away from intractably abhorrent situations such as spoken of by the protagonists; for which they've been roundly trashed, both sidelong and frontallyl; " . . . idiotic twats . . . " in the words of one.

And why, what is the problem with taking the bull(shit) by the horns and twisting its head away ? ?

Are these people 'running away' ? ?

Not in my view.

I think that by the purposed, albeit temporary, exclusion of what is to them the abhorrent from their lives by retreating, they provide themselves an opportunity to gain the strength to once again take up dealing with racists' bullshit while at the same time creating network and camaraderie that might last a long time. And who can say how that might spread though their social networks.

Although I can't but see it likely, I certainly can't generate notions about specifics, nor can anyone else. We're talking about small changes in the initial conditions of many non-linear systems

So all the bloody silly 'Reasons Why Not' and the, 'They have should done this or that-s' or, 'They shouldn't have said this or that' or, 'They should have said this or that like such and so' heard around here are just that: bloody silly.

Who amoung the armchair critics here is actually off their ass and out in the world busting ass to create something of benefit to others ? ?

Good Optics Thanks for your logical & rational arguments & having the Bojangles to speak out...!!!.. ...It would be good to interview these ladies & see why they think & feel the way they do...See ya in next comment section.

Good Optics Bull. Shit. Optics!

How you gonna work this? Blacks aren't separated from whites. Look at North Africans and Arabs where black races merge with Caucasians. The Hispanics too. Where you gonna draw the line who is allowed in and who ain't? Light-skinned blacks... Dark skinned Mediterranean Caucasians... My my... Got yer skin-tone graph at the ready? Some mix-race siblings may find themselves on the other side of the fence from their darker-skin brother from the same mother! Might have just about worked somewhere like starkly black'n'white divided Detroit 30 years ago. But certainly not New York City: One big melting pot of blurred racial boundaries... Is he a Puerto Rican Latino with a bit of home-grown black in him?... Is she white Mestizo mix with a dash of the Oriental?? Goodness me! A right can'o worms here! ... How you gonna play that one?? No New Yorkers please!!!

Then you got another heap o' problems with non-white black-hating racists too! You have to make everyone take a 'Test' to enter your Nirvana, Optics... Like for Replicants in the first Blade Runner film. Racism is lurking beneath within all-sorts for goodness knows what 3D STS reasons.

Your profile says you been following the C's for a long time? Tsk! You should know better, Optics... Much better.

lysna Please tell me you're only messin', Lysna?

BlackCartouche I've said all I had to say & meant every word of it..Read the whole lot again if you like.

My advice is go talk to the ladies before being so Judgemental. Never know you may change your mind.

I hate racism & have first hand experience of some very nasty stuff growing up so I can empathize with them.

And I'm a white male that grew up in a predominantly white christian conservative society.

Fuckin hate conservatives too...Can you blame me ???

Do I play the victim...NO...Do I need emotional support...NO...but I've dished back everything I received & that may be why.

Do I still care...I tell my self NO...but subconsciously it's YES...for Gods sake the anger can still boil over at times & it can be hard to shake off...My children were exposed to the same racism & discrimination too...The grandchildren less so but it's under the surface.

So things are slowly changing or I'm getting older & wiser & dealing with it better..One needs to experience it before passing judgement on others...Too much polarized right wing thinking lately that's starting to scare me again...

lysna Its nothing to do with being judgemental. Its about ousting flawed thinking being put into action. I get the whole anger thing how it boils over, and people not experiencing another's shoes to appreciate pain and anguish (btw Lysna, I havn't been wrapped in cotton wool all my life... I have the odd battle scar...)

But its anger and emotions that are used against us... Every. Time. Surely you can see that? This is Battlefield 3D Earth STS. You must overcome getting scared. It clouds clear thinking.

See my response to Good Optics regards the 'logic'.

BlackCartouche The points you make in terms of who is excluded or not are correct and one of my first thoughts here was that I'd like to be a 'fly on the wall' and see and hear about peoples' lives and how they (need to) deal with things; which given the established boundaries is not to be.

So yes, that's a problem they'll have to deal with as the world can't be in any way divided black/white.

Their matter would seem to be the determination as to who is is of good heart or not

Below you wrote:

You must overcome getting scarred. It clouds clear thinking.

which is correct but scarring happens nonetheless, with 'soul wounds' manifesting life after life.

Psychospiritual nostrums are few are far between with, "Shut up and get on with life" being the typically proffered Band-Aid.

It seems to me our protagonists' is intent to evolve something rather better, something that might to a beneficial extent self-propagate once back home.

In closing for the moment: It's not " . . . your Nirvana"; we don't do La La Land around here and a retreat where one's intention is to face one's pain is hardly a holiday.

Good Optics "...where one's intention is to face one's pain"

I guess we have different perceptions for what that means.

BlackCartouche Around here it means getting through one's defenses and into the events themselves, re-experiencing them and by those means eliminating them as drivers of repressive defense structures.

It means becoming clearer by degrees

Good Optics I think "intention" will remain just that.

lysna Oh... Is experienced abuse and flawed thinking mutually exclusive?

I think anyone who needs to walk in someone else's shoes to appreciate another persons pain and struggles is a self-absorbed narcissist.

"Nth Africa, Arabs to USA or New York is not a good comparison...Too many differentials my friend."

Any suggestions?

BlackCartouche Another right wing snowflake...butt hurt response...Any suggestions??? How long do you want to spend on this thread. If you can't distinguish the differences it's a worry...Try google..

nedlud You haven't been around much lately, I was wondering about you and I'm glad you seem to be enjoying this one.

And yes, you would speed read it; particularly the bits where it gets in one's face with our newly outed trannie trasher.

nedlud They might if you bring up Jordan Peterson.

BlackCartouche Thinking about it a little bit further, I don't think I'd wade into this mess on a bet : )

And what might the point anyway, it's a tempest in a teacup . . .

BlackCartouche At least you got that right...But anyone walking in someone else's shoes wont be a nazi. NEVER...!!! A nazi knows all & don't give a shit about how others think or feel..then only a psycho will reverse the attack on the person that shows empathy & understanding as being a nazi. Ones such as Lute... Tread carefully my friend...!!!

lysna Your emotions have clearly gotten the better of you and any glimmer of thought-clarity has diminished several responses ago. I don't think you know what you're saying anymore... You certainly don't know what I'm saying.

BC, out

BlackCartouche You said... "I think anyone who needs to walk in someone else's shoes to appreciate another persons pain and struggles is a self-absorbed narcissist".

And you're calling me an unclear thinker...I don't believe this...You may have some understanding but there's nothing like having been on the battle field. Guess if one throws around too many bananas one will attract plenty of monkeys.

Projection BC.

Bow n say thank you

Hi5 was for lysna.

.... well BC gets one for fire in his belly, stamina. Aim for Gold BC.

BlackCartouche My fault. Firstly I was referring to your comment about sott & Peterson...Then decided to write a 2nd response about "walking in someone else's shoes"...Maybe that's where we got our wires crossed.

lysna 2nd differing comment in the same column that is...Got to make thing super clear here it seems.

LindaMay Thanks Linda... I always appreciate your support...

BlackCartouche No harm, no foul...

BlackCartouche That was meant for Lysna

This simply doesn't end, it spews hither and yon like a fire hose full on.

Now my venting annoyance makes me one of the ' . . . polarised out of control psychotic aggressors' who are, ' . . . still wishing these chicks off the edge of the human Beachy Head.'

Wow . . . an astonishing spin, and doesn't it sound good.

I recall some time back taking exception to your 'presentation' (I thought you were a simple-minded, mouthy, d*nk) but kept my own counsel as there seemed no point. Of late I see I was correct:

God didn't make you a woman, but The Devil won't either. LOL.

If you want to talk to a saint, go and visit a church.

Meanwhile, try and stay away from ladies washing-lines.

'God' my dear, didn't make me anything, nor you, nor anyone else.

And 'The Devil' . . . really ? ? How does that work ? ?

Of saints I'm in no present need, nor dipshits, nor smart-mouthed, bellicose, self-justifying, angry little men . . .

And 'washing-lines' ? ? Do, please, fill me in . . .

Speaking of smart-mouthed, you took some pains to trash Annie Lennox, (although never explaining yourself) then went on to trash Mavis Staples but you didn't quite to get Leonard, about whom much floats around if you Google something like "Leonard Cohen MK Ultra Ann Diamond".

Even so, I don't care; although reading miles of all that over the years has given me pause to consider his 'inspirations' when he wrote "The Future".

=============

Now, I am done wasting my time with my time with you . . .

Highland Fleet Lute Ahhhh... another all knowing response from the all knowing Dr Mengele. You remind of something the Nazi's would use as the poster boy for their proleteriat. Matter of fact judging from a lot of your comments I'm sure of it...

Maybe you're a living breathing example of the claims of Icke...Gawd damn Ma they're everywhere & breeding...!!!

What's up Lute...melting under the pressure of being exposed as a control freak...My responses were directed toward fascist snowflakes such as your self...Simpleton Liars that pretend to know all about anyone without any research that immediately run to a well lit polarized cave in defense of their inflexible ideologies ...Yep plenty of them to crawl into & pat each other on the back for doing so... You just keep on assuming you know me so well as you do with everyone, including the ladies in question you overblown toad...

lysna Some good advice: fold it, there's nothing here that's even remotely worth your energy or your time.

Scroll down to the link I posted on the article about Miles Mathis, you'll enjoy it I'm sure, it's actually interesting.

Good Optics Miles Mathis: He has some interesting stuff on his site - and worth a butchers... Its a shame he speckles his writings with puffs of pent-up narcissism.

BlackCartouche Somewhat in agreement with you, I offer the following from, "The Stolen Century":

Somehow I came up with a paper on Theosophy and the Beat Generation, and although that was only a couple of weeks ago, I couldn't tell you how or why I hit on those subjects to write about. It dropped into my lap, so to speak. I think someone mentioned Theosophy to me, I realized I didn't know much about it, and I began researching it. In that research, I saw a red string and I began to pull on it. It unravelled and unravelled, and before I knew it the whole cloak had turned to a pile of yarn. The red string trailed off into another room, I entered that room, and again all the garments and curtains and rugs unravelled. I have been following that red string ever since.For those of you who have seen the Jodie Foster film Little Man Tate, I recommend you to the math scene [Link] , where the floating numbers come together above the head of Tate. That is the way this feels to me. Or for a less cinematic example, think of how a formerly dark room changes when the bright sunlight floods it in the morning: suddenly you can see all the seams in the walls beneath the sheetrock. When I read these pages—whether on physics, art, biography, or anything else—the inessential parts just sort of fade out and what remains are the lies. It is like they are already circled for me. Reductionists would say it is just an ability to sort data, refined over the years by collating massive amounts of both truth and lies—and having a strong sense of how each looks in the complex patterns of language. There may be more to it than that, but whatever the mechanism or inspiration, it is as strange to me as it is to you.

BlackCartouche What's 'a butchers' ?

Good Optics This [Link] ?