By way of introduction to the recent screening in NYC, Moore told the audience:
"What the country doesn't need is to be told that Trump is a crazy, dangerous psychopath [and] sociopath, all of that. He has written and produced that movie and it appears daily."Moore's backing of Clinton is surprising given that he has been one of her most outspoken critics. In the run-up to the 2008 elections, he said he was "morally prohibited" from voting for Hillary due to her support for the invasion of Iraq, and as recently as March this year he called her 'Wall Street's paid candidate". Then again, that was when there was a 'Democratic' alternative in the form of Bernie Sanders, whom Moore strongly supported.
When questioned after the screening about his apparent change in opinion, Moore made it clear that he still doesn't like Clinton:
"She has a very close relationship with [Wall Street]. If you've read any of the Podesta emails—or her emails—you can see that she's inclined to that... The fight will continue. The Bernie Revolution on Nov. 9th is critical. If we just leave it up to her, she may tend to side with that which she's become used to. I feel the same way about the Iraq War vote, I don't feel any less passion about her mistake."While this suggests that Moore has joined the ranks of the millions of Americans who plan on voting for Clinton simply because 'anyone is better than Trump', Moore's reference to Clinton's "mistake" over the Iraq war points to something else going on with the political 'left' in the USA.
The problem, it seems, is that many Americans are still under the illusion that there is a difference between Democrat and Republican party politics in the USA. While this may be true, to a small extent, in terms of domestic affairs, American foreign policy has been ruled by the 'political establishment' for decades. And when it comes to dominating the world or 'protecting America's strategic interests', virtually every member of the Democratic and Republican parties, regardless of the office in which they 'serve', reads from the same song sheet (I believe it's 'The Battle Hymn of the Republic' especially the part that reads 'Our God is marching on!').
The Democratic party is traditionally the 'anti-war' party, and yet, in the 8 years of Obama's rule, 10 times more drone strikes were ordered than during the 8 years under Bush. Granted, Bush presided over the annihilation of Iraq and the murder of 1.5 million Iraqis, but under Obama (and Hillary Clinton when she was Secretary of State), tens of thousands of Libyans were murdered and the country destroyed, Syria was invaded by a US-backed jihadi mercenary army and up to 400,000 Syrians slaughtered. Oh, and Yemen was attacked, with 10,000 civilian dead and counting. That's a pretty decent tally for a warmonger.
Moore's apparent belief that Hillary's vote for the Iraq War was a "mistake" is contradicted by her obvious love for war and death. I'll presume that Moore (and most other Hillary supporters) have seen her reaction to the video of the public sodomization, torture and execution of Muammar Gaddafi. How can anyone watch Hillary's unbridled glee over the brutalization of a 70-year-old man, who had never done her any personal harm, and not come away with the conviction that that woman is little more than a violent animal without an ounce of compassion?
Yet it seems millions of Hillary supporters and Michael Moore are well able to engage in the mental gymnastics required to wipe that truth from their minds and believe her to be a better option than Trump for president. While other members of the Obama administration at the time no doubt were jubilant at the
Now before anyone gets their knickers in a twist and thinks I'm defending Trump, I'm not. Yes, Trump is a foul-mouthed 'baby man' with a misogynistic bent. Yes, he has made some rather racist comments, and yes, he has talked about banning Muslims from entering the US. Did I miss anything? Oh, I did! I didn't mention the fact that no one in their right mind believes anything a US politician says when they are campaigning for the presidency, because everyone knows that each candidate, especially those from the two 'establishment' parties, chooses a 'hot topic' campaign platform to differentiate them from each other, to further the illusion of the possibility of change. When they are elected president, amnesia immediately sets in. Trump chose immigrants and Islam because it was a hot topic and on the minds of many Americans (and still is).
But more to the point, how is it that Trump gets flak for targeting Muslims when Hillary is part of the US political establishment that launched several wars of aggression against Muslim countries that required the public demonization of all Muslims as terrorists? Fifteen years of anti-Muslim rhetoric from the US political establishment, including the portrayal of all Muslims as terrorists, and Trump is the bad guy for making a hollow campaign statement that he would ban Muslims from entering the country? Really? And while Hillary continues to publicly lobby for more US military attacks on Muslim nations??
The same applies to pretty much any issue you choose. Democrats and liberals generally agree that the 2000 election was rigged in Bush's favor. But they fly into fits of hysterics when Trump suggests that the DNC will try the same hijinks (even though they've been caught on tape talking about how they do exactly that). They are horrified by Trump's domestic electioneering on abortion and his apparent misogyny, but are responsible for the deaths of thousands of children in far-off lands and give their support to the most misogynistic dictatorships on the planet.
So the real problem with people like Michael Moore and just about every Hillary supporter, is that they are fundamentally ignorant of the truly inhuman nature of the individuals that comprise the US political establishment - both 'left' and 'right'- and the horrific torture and bloodshed they have deliberately unleashed on the world. That ignorance allows them to indulge in the fantasy that there still is accountability, that a change in the decades-long entrenched warmongering policies of the US establishment, of which Hillary Clinton is a long-term member, is possible from within the same system.
In fact, you could say that the evidence that the warmongering US bi-partisan establishment feared being exposed is seen in the very fact of Trump's run for the presidency. As revealed by a leaked email from Clinton campaign manager Robby Mook's assistant to Clinton campaign chair John Podesta, the Hillary camp deliberately encouraged Trump's candidacy - in part by talking about him from the very beginning rather than another contender - because he represented Clinton's best bet at diverting attention from her connections to the corrupt US establishment and thereby making her the next POTUS.
One of Clinton's core problems is that she is nominally a democrat, but she is also an avowed warmonger and war criminal. How was she going to garner enough support from the 'left' (i.e. bleeding heart, anti-war, liberal, lefty, commies of all stripes) in the USA if she didn't have some imposing, foul-mouthed, 'racist' sexist buffoon to run against and drive all the lefties back into her camp. Does that sound like a pretty complex conspiracy to you? Then you're a nutty conspiracy theorist, and so are most of Clinton's campaign workers.
So how to sum up my point here. Do I even have one? Trump is an embarrassment, but then so was George 'Dubya' Bush. But unlike Bush, Trump isn't a representative for the entrenched, bi-partisan, establishment war party that has been running the USA since JFK. Clinton, on the other hand, is a repulsive psycho war harpy who delights in the slaughter of innocent civilians and old men. And if the American people elect that she-devil to represent them, they'll be sowing the wind that reaps something very, very disagreeable.
Reader Comments
Thank you for that insight Joe Quinn. Michaels demise as a defender of the faith is too bad; I sort of liked Canadian Bacon. Then I found out that Goldman Sachs financed at least one of his films [Link]
Thanks for the thoughts, Joe.
As I read through, I kept having the notion that you must think people in this country, in this age, are intelligent enough to be able to make informed decisions about for whom to vote.
While restoring the Constitution should be the benchmark in talks today, here's the real conversation:
"We're women; she's a woman. That's good enough for us. Look how she shines there on that stage. GO US!!"
I can't explain it either, especially here in a time in which one can scour the internet and maybe get a clue as to what isn't told in mainstream news.
But, alas - these are times much like any other times.
As you were...back to your games and your lives; may Truth have mercy on your souls.
This is a great article. Outside of Amerika folks understand the falsity of the official parties dichotomy. So let 'em howl! Those who knee jerk back to Killary and her ilk are facing oblivion. They think because this sort of smear stuff has worked before to keep critics in line it will work all the time. The Democrats think they are the cat's meow but will be soon seen as the horse's butt. It's important that the GOP Humpty-Dumpty not piece itself back together. The cry will be that the RINO leadership betrayed Trump to deliver Clinton. We have Clinton because of a 'stab in the back'. A lot of Republicans will just permanently roast their leadership. If the GOP unravels then so will the Democrats. Considering what Hillary is going to do, there is no way Sanderistas will stand it.
Just add war and the Debt Death Watch and wait. I hear chickens coming home to roost. Keep it up Joe.
Part of the distraction crew, same as usual, especially in the 'left' set like this one:
Naomi Klein: Sins of Omission
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Naomi Klein is hyped by the media because she diverts the energies of leftist do-gooders.
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The newer fake progressives like Klein are following the Chomsky-Zinn playbook of first telling their audience everything they want to hear, and only then diverting them into inaction or useless actions. That is why it doesn't matter that these guys and gals 'agree with me on everything'. I admit that is mostly true.
"When I go down the list of Chomsky or Zinn or Klein, I do indeed agree with almost everything they say, which is why they are so insidious. It is the things they aren't talking about where the disagreements lie, so they don't come up. I learned this first with Chomsky and Zinn, who at first refused to talk about 9/11, but when they did talk about it then it was only to get mad or huffy and dismiss all questions as from a lunatic fringe. It was 9/11 that ripped the masks of Chomsky and Zinn for most people. Before that we were successfully diverted."
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CONCLUSION
Mathis is correct in identifying shills like Klein and Chomsky as Establishment lackeys. More precisely, he's doubly correct identifying them as magicians: they deal in misdirection. Orwell stated that 'omission is the most powerful form of a lie' and so this deceptive technique is the mainstay of media magic.
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Makow comment- Klein's biggest omissions are her failure to oppose the bogus attacks on Russia, gender and European culture (migrants.)
She has failed to expose the fact that ISIS and terrorism in general are sponsored by the West.
The Meaning of Trump
October 21, 2016 / Gilad Atzmon
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The meaning of Trump is that, pretty much, half of the American people say enough is enough. Half of the American people are expressing a total fatigue of the system and their ruling elite.
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While Clinton and Obama communicate persuasively within the symbolic order, Trump manages to revolutionize the discourse constantly. This is a quality that is usually associated with the artist and the Athenian spirit not with real estate moguls.
But does Trump really mean what he says? Is he genuine or is he playing a game. No one knows. But far more interesting, no one really cares and it doesn’t really matter. And this is probably the real meaning of Trump.
Donald Trump is merely a vehicle. It doesn’t really matter whether Trump will be the next president or not. The call for a radical social change has been established. It is now becoming aware of itself.
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@gdpetti:
Watch out, you may be run over by a trunk.
Filled with stuff, old presents and gifts and bows and ties and such.
So, take care.....
ned, out
See. [Link]
Take care
Kent
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Hillary Clinton Begs Forgiveness From Rothschilds In Leaked Email
You're on a roll, Joe. Your piece on Global Order was great.
While it's looking somewhat likely that Clinton will get 'elected', the anger felt by that large (>40%) base of Trump voters would not likely just go away - it would probably intensify quite substantially. Is Trump 'hedging his bets' with his rhetoric about election-rigging & 'not conceding the election'?
If he pushes that line through a Clinton victory and beyond, it could stir-up revolutionary sentiment in the US quite dramatically. This is probably the REAL danger that the 'liberal' 'left' (as if they are either of those two things any more) in the US fail to see (on the domestic front). Texas already has a sizeable pro-secession movement going. If the 'Clintonistas' think they can just ignore the will of the MAJORITY of people in the US after another 'rigged' election, because 'they know what's best for the idiots' (ie. the "Anyone but Trump / Trump must not win" camp), they are deluding themselves.
On some level, this has likely been planned in order to force the 'right' into a confrontation with the 'left' that will politically disintegrate the country and enable it to be re-integrated as a lower form of government - a military dictatorship. While the timeframes for these things are always open, it's looking quite likely that this is the last 'election' the Atlantic Empire will host.
For the good of the country (and the world), the 'left' in the United States of America should be praying for a Trump victory.
. . .a fly on the wall where the latest prez' is 'briefed' by Big Power-over in respect of what he will/will not do, say, think, enact, rollback, etc.
Wizened old Kill's of course a no brainer because she's already onside with the Dark Side but Don the Narcissist is a horse('s ass) of a different colour in that it would seem he yet imagines some independence of action.
Excerpting from the latest Cs session:
(Beau) I have a question that will kind of change direction a little. I just want to know who's behind the Podesta e-mail leaks that are making Hillary Clinton look very bad?
A: Clinton insider.
Q: (Pierre) An insider who doesn't agree with Clinton and wants to bring her down?
(Galatea) Like a spy?
(Beau) Not Russia?
A: No
Q: (Niall) There's trouble in paradise.
(L) Definitely.
(Pierre) You see the way she behaves with her staff, so I'm not surprised someone's trying to bring her down. She drove one to suicide and another almost to suicide.
(Niall) It might be... Is it revenge for the way in which she got the Democratic nomination?
A: Revenge for personal slights.
Q: (L) Who in her insider group DOESN'T hate her?
A: Few.
Q: (L) Well.
(Beau) What's wrong with her? What is her illness?
A: Dementia.
Q: (Joe) We're assuming that her people know that she has dementia. Insiders know, people running her campaign, the Democratic party, etc. They're assuming that she's going to be okay to be president with dementia?
A: No. Part of reason to bring her down.
Q: (L) Well, she spent so much money on the campaign and cover-ups, and if she gets brought down now she won't have any friends left. She'll just slide into poverty or something. Nobody will be wanting to buy her influence anymore because she won’t have any and that was their main cash cow: influence peddling.
(Joe) Someone wants to bring her down after she becomes president?
A: Before!
Q: (Joe) Well, they better hurry up! Three weeks to go.
(Pierre) Well, they just need a big scandal.
(L) All they need to do is get enough people upset, and Trump will get the presidency.
(Joe) The media is totally anti-Trump right now.
(L) Doesn't matter. The people hate Trump less than Hillary.
(Joe) That's what we don't know. Right now, what are the odds that Trump will actually win?
A: Good.
Q: (Pierre) All the non-rigged polls seem to give Trump as the leader. So they don't have to do anything if they don't want Clinton to win.
(L) I would imagine that Trump, if he were to get it, [is] in for his own set of surprises...
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His own set of surprises indeed . . .
SOTT
I have been here since the very beginning of this "project" ALL of it. Un-focus is the complexity of the Ouija board experiences, the interpretations (subjective and biased) however convincing they might be to participants is NOT easy to sell to anybody.
In private e-mails to you and Niall 1 or two years back, I tried to convey a specific and real support for your project. Both of you, completely misunderstood the practical (possible) implications of my "offer" of support. (My fault obviously), BUT, (for me anyway), it does imply, that if you have to cut out in cardboard practical solutions to obvious problems you were facing at the time (and still does as far as I understand), both of you (even that I do admire your relentless work, analyses, articles, radio and television performances etc.) actually are not prepared, or fit for the upheavals we are facing. You might rise to the occasion when it happens, as we all have to, (I hope so).
As of now (and ever for my part), there is only good and evil, which is NOT the same as black & white. Only beacon for me anyway.
Listen to beauty:
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Excellent review of basic "reality." If one threatens to deport Muslims, one is vilified as a horrific racist - (Trump). However, if one illegally and immorally kills Muslims with drones, U.S. bombs & guns, and proxy invaders like ISIS and Saudi Arabia, one is a nobel peace prize winning president (Obama), lauded and loved by much of "progressive" America and the Western world. The logically absurd nature of this "reality," is laid bare by the moral/ethical gymnastics required to render it invisible to the eye, mind and heart of those living in the West who are able to see Hillary as acceptable. It requires "not knowing" what has happened and is happening in the world, on a scale so grand that true believers in the Western narrative have to render themselves embarrassingly innocent and childlike in their unwavering trust of our psychopathic Western leaders. Leaders who spout what are essentially our collective, though unconscious, - "white man's burden" - lies and rationalizations in support of what is quite clearly 500+ years now of Western Europe and her colonies dominating and controlling the planet with violence while extracting every drop of value it can from the earth and it's inhabitants. This "system" ends, or we do, and we will not "vote" our masters out of power, no matter Michael Moore's, Naomi Klein's or Noam Chomsky's fantasy world assessments in support of "lesser evil" system equilibrium.
The already near-redundant mainstream media has all but destroyed itself trying to keep Trump out.
The Republican Party has pretty much done the same.
The Democrat Party has destroyed itself trying to put Hillary in.
The alt. left has become the alt. right and is just as likely to become the alt. something else the day after the day after tomorrow.
The certainties of the not-so-dominant-now post-war baby boom generation(s) gone with the wind
the laws will have to be changed to allow third party representation in Congress so that the two who hand off to one another will actually have to appease the 3rd and 4th party factions. The way the law is written it is basically impossible to gather enough votes to have a third party seated in Congress.
Joe @ NYT. That'll be the day... Great article and the volume and acuity of the comments clearly shows that it strikes a harmonic and very resonant chord.
I am unaware of any group of folks so acutely aware of this fundamental 'big lie' - one of the biggest, if not THE biggest lies the MSM still gets away with - your eponymous false Left/Liberal/Democrat vs. Right/Republican/Conservative paradigm/dichotomy. I first became aware of it about half my life ago, and long since gave up trying to prosthelytize about it.
Here, there's the air of awareness - so refreshing! SOTTites SeeTHROUGH that entirely false, and painfully obvious false dichotomoy / bogus L/R paradigm. That's why we're here: we love to seek truth, are (usually / at least more so than average) aware of our own subjectivity and we seek to use critical thinking and discussion to get closer to ultimate truth/ perfect objectivity, which is a purely aspirational goal - at least in this life. But it's that awareness that counts.
And that's why this article's great, Joe, as are the 'veritable plethora'* of (mostly) [ >90%] on-point SOTTite/ SOTT folk comments.
Again, Good article Joe. Now if we could just get the NYT to run it...
HAR HAR har. (Yeah, right.) That'll be the day......
Everyone, sing along!:
"That'll Be the Day"
Buddy Holly, Jerry Allison
(For SOTT Folk by R.C.)
(Original Verse 1)
Well, that'll be the day, when you say goodbye
Yes, that'll be the day, when you make me cry
You say you're gonna leave, you know it's a lie
'Cause that'll be the day when I die
(For SOTT Folk Verse 1)
Well, that'll be the day, when hell freezes over;
Yes, that'll be the day, we'll be rolling in clover;
You say the NYT then - won't tell you a lie?
Well that'll be the day when I die
(Original Verse 2)
Well, you give me all your loving and your turtle doving
All your hugs and kisses and your money too
Well, you know you love me baby, until you tell me, maybe
That some day, we'll be through
(For SOTT Folk Verse 1)
Well, you give us all your hating and all yer deep-a-statin';
All your shots and tortures and steal our money too
Well, you know you Nazis hate us, and you constipate us,
So that'll be the day, you'll taste the truth of poop.
That'll be the day,
Sha woop Sha woop
That'll be the day,
Whoo Hoo Whoo Hoo
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V
R.C.
* 'Veritable Plethora.' Mark Twain would be ashamed.
RC