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Jordan Peterson has made a "desperate" decision to seek drug detox treatment in Russia after several failed attempts at North American hospitals.
His daughter Mikhaila said in a video from Russia that Peterson had been prescribed a low dose of benzodiazepine "a few years ago" to treat anxiety caused by a severe autoimmune response to food (in an earlier video, she identified it as clonazepam, a type of medication of the benzodiazepine class). Jordan had also adopted Mikhaila's all-beef diet, which he said fixed some of his health problems.
However, his anxiety apparently grew stronger after his wife of 30 years, Tammy, was diagnosed with terminal cancer, and the dose of the drug was increased last April. That lead to the professor suffering from "both a physical dependency and a paradoxical (opposite to the intended effect) reaction to the medication," Mikhaila recounted.
Jordan Peterson tried and failed to wean himself off the drug on his own, and had to check into rehab in September to get it off his system.
In an emotional interview just before he first entered rehab, Peterson said he was in distress because of his wife's health problems. "I've become opened up to the trouble that people have in a way that far exceeds even what I experienced as a clinical psychologist," Peterson said with tears in his eyes. "I don't know exactly what the cumulative effect has been on me."
Mikhaila recalled that her father had been "in unbearable discomfort" from the drug for the last eight months, which included a condition called akathisia - a frequent effect of antipsychotics, characterised by a feeling of irresistible restlessness and urge to move - which she said made him "suicidal".
He spent four weeks in the ICU (intensive care unit) and then a decision was made "in extreme desperation" that he would go to Russia because there was "no better option".
"After several failed treatment attempts at North American hospitals, including attempts at tapering and microtapering, we had to seek an emergency medical benzodiazepine detox, which we were only able to find in Russia," she said, adding that things got worse when Jordan developed pneumonia in one of the previous hospitals.
Mikhaila on Friday shared Instagram stories of herself getting groceries in Eliseevky, a grand art nouveau Moscow supermarket from before the revolution, and walking around the city centre.
"Finally, dad is on the mend," she reassured, "even though there's a lot of physiological damage that he needs to recover from."
"He's improving and he's off with the horrible medication. His sense of humour is back, he's smiling again for the first time in months, but he still has a long way to go to recover fully.
In her words, both the Petersons and Russian doctors believe that his addiction was physical rather than psychological.
She said the next update will come from Jordan Peterson directly.
Reader Comments
Anxiety and depression are dreadful things. Looking forwards to JP's recovery. He is a good man.Yeah. I hope he will pull through it! So bad to see him make lousy choices regarding his health. But knowing what his family is going through with illness and diet its no wonder. Their background makes them married to big pharma...
"We've been told that Dad will recover fully"Sorry to piss in your punch bowl, but the world is not short of anecdotals that suggest even after years of being clean, a lot of benzo inductees never properly recover, 'cause these sweeties can permanently screw the architecture of your brain.
Although I doubt whether it will make it past many SOTT readers' "stop-ruining-my-beatific-pictures-of-Saint-Jordan-Peterson" filter.
See: lsjarvi's posts, f'rinstance.
but the world is not short of anecdotals that suggest even after years of being clean, a lot of benzo inductees never properly recover, 'cause these sweeties can permanently screw the architecture of your brain.Recovery depends on the person. Peterson is likely strong enough to handle it. He's been through a lot in his life and has kept on going. In a world full of armchair critics, he an admirable character who puts knowledge into action.
I don't think proselytising for big pharma so-called antidepressants is particularly admirable.Is that comment meant to be taken seriously? Because it isn't serious, by any stretch of the imagination.
If you didn't experience a sharp intake of breath when you saw the death star-sized arsenal of drugs that Mikhaila was on, you need to check your head.
HFL, you can understand the difference between drug use for medical reasons and recreational drug use. Stop being an ass with this 'junkie' crap.
Stop being an ass with this 'junkie' crap.Jordan Peterson is unable to stop being an ass with his junkie crap.
If you're so addicted to someone else's beatific idea of Jordan Peterson you have to cover your ears to keep the truth from ruining it, that's your problem, pal.
And don't bother me again with the yorkshire-terrier-at-the-trouser-leg bit until you've read all of IncenDiary's post, and watched all of my linked videos.
I'm sure he's a nice guy, but he's also a very stupid guy....[Link] ....[Link]There's nothing "stupid" about taking anti-depressants when a person is unable to pull themselves out of the funk by themselves. For sure, it should be limited use and the less toxic pills the better, but this wholesale condemnation of anti-depressants in all cases is just ignorant.
Are you kidding me? Peterson's been a total junkie for at least a decade.More hyperbole. Is this meant to be measured, thoughtful input? Because it's not.
Highland Fleet Lute There's nothing "stupid" about taking anti-depressants when a person is unable to pull themselves out of the funk by themselves. For sure, it should be limited use and the less toxic pills the better, but this wholesale condemnation of anti-depressants in all cases is just ignorant.And putting your child on amphetamines is admirable, I suppose?
But then I'm not really expecting you to own your own sh*t in that regard, 'cause that's something you seldom do.
And putting your child on amphetamines is admirable, I suppose?Why don't YOU try living in excruciating pain for a few years and then see what YOU are willing to try. You're getting boring now.
No he ain't. Although Peterson does have admirable qualities, you and he covering for Peterson's huge stupiderer elephant is not admirable.What in GOD's NAME are you talking about? What "covering" are we doing? What do think this is, some kind of court of law or something? Do you think there's some kind of conspiracy going on here? What the HELL are you talking about? I don't know Peterson, never met him once, so I have neither an interest in or any ability to (if I so wished) to "cover" for him. You're making less and less sense as you double down on this, that should tell you something, but I won't hold my breath.
But then I'm not really expecting you to own your own sh*t in that regard, 'cause that's something you seldom do.Own what "shit"? What "shit" of "mine" is there to own? What the HELL are you talking about? Please tell, what is my track record in "not owning my own shit". Please make sure to specify first the "shit" that was "mine" that I didn't "own" and then tell me exactly how I did not "own" it.
Peterson, whether you agree with his views and philosophies or not, is a good man. No, he isn't a deity, and clearly he is as human as the rest of us.
Surely, a person in his situation requires our support and our best wishes for the best possible outcome.
More Peterson stupidery: Mikhaila's pre-carnivore drug diet... (7:04)....[Link]Dude, get a grip. When someone has a long list of ACTUAL physical illnesses then they are GOING to take certain drugs for those conditions and in the process discover what works and what doesn't. You clearly have no idea what it's like to live with multiple physical issues, if you did, you wouldn't be making these oversimplified judgements.
Speed?People will take what they're prescribed to see if it works. Like I said, not having been there, you're not in a position to judge.
Speed?Well maybe you're not, but I think I know what I'm talking about in regard to that particular subject, and I am in a position to judge.
Highland Fleet LuteAgreed. Peterson has talked about watching his daughter disintegrate before his very eyes and desperate to get her help so he took her to all sorts of medical professionals to help her. Throughout the years, Peterson has shown too much trust in the medical system and its professionals that he has been willing to take anti-depressants, anti-anxiety meds and go with specialists advice for his daughter, but what alternative's are there sometimes?? Not everyone is up-to-date on every single potential pitfall in the world and even though all of us that read and contribute to SOTT know what's up in that regard, it doesn't mean we can take it for granted and point fingers at the foibles and errors in judgement of other people AND be a douche bag about it at the same time.More Peterson stupidery: Mikhaila's pre-carnivore drug diet... (7:04)....[Link]Dude, get a grip. When someone has a long list of ACTUAL physical illnesses then they are GOING to take certain drugs for those conditions and in the process discover what works and what doesn't. You clearly have no idea what it's like to live with multiple physical issues, if you did, you wouldn't be making these oversimplified judgements.
It's the whole pill culture and the indoctrination to regularly visit out local witch doctors that's the root of the problem
True statement, my father was a fighter pilot ww2. When the war was over he was a test pilot for the P-80. My dad was a narcoleptic so he had to leave being a pilot. He had to take… lets just say speed everyday to stay awake so he could work.
JFK took speed for severe back pain from injuries in the war so he could walk and stand. It seem to have worked for him.
I myself have had many back surgeries with implants, screws holding me together with lots of nerve damage to my legs and feet. I have burning in my feet, toes and other times it feels like someone sticking needles in my feet and toes it is extremely painful. Every one needs to try that to see what it feels like. I went to a brain surgeon and he said to try a low dose of Amitriptyline antidepressant. From all the pain I was having I was getting depressed too. I would take the meds at nighttime with a mussel relaxer sleep for 10 hrs and when I woke up there was no more pain, the best sleep I ever had and felt like a human-bing for once. The next night I only go 4-5 hrs sleep so it was only taken when needed . It worked for me and still does for 30 yrs, no I don’t take them everyday some time every 3 day to maybe once a month most the time but getting less frequently. I have taken opiates just so I could work and take care of my customers and now 100% disabled. I do not take pain pills any more because they did the job for me when I needed them. I only take a thyroid pill and a blood pressure. I don’t have a thyroid so would die if I didn’t have meds.. If my body didn’t hurt so much from inflammation I wouldn’t need the BPP. I eat organic, detox, and stay off some foods all trial and error. Pharmaceuticals will eat your liver and kidneys, your in a shit house one side or the other it seems. People need to really take a deep look into themselves, your soul is talking to you so pay attention you will do whats right for you and you will know one way or the other if you really listened.
A propos stupidity, teva-cyproterone, a mixture of sex hormones used to battle acne in women, has a side effect of preventing ovulation (and thus pregnancy), why use another birth control pill and pump yourself with such high level of hormones? Actually other sex-hormone drugs are contraindicated when this one is taken.
Perhaps this world is not sufficiently robust to entertain, preoccupy and accommodate the human lifeform.
This world was not intended to entertain to preoccupy nor accomodate.
We need to get busy and/or learn how to swim.
Natural Selection and our karma direct the flow.
Happiness is being alive - life is not an empty vehicle needing to be filled by an implanted definition of happiness
I tend to suspect that the more willing people / families are to be prescribed drugs, the more likely they are to have these severe illnesses
Maybe it all started with the totally unnecessary flu shots and headache pills
Odd that people bang on about gateway drugs, in the illegal sense, but have no awareness of gateway drugs to a life dependent of big pharma
1) The body sends pain signals to indicate a problem
2) Pain "killers" are designed to block the signals reaching the brain - no to address the problem
3) The body still have a problem but the brain isn't receiving it - the body will put out stronger signals
4) Take more pain killers
5) Body sends stronger signals
6) Take more, stronger pain killers
7) Body sends stronger signals
8) Take more stronger, riskier pain killers
9) Body sends stronger signals
10) Take more strong, risky pain killers mixed with a other drugs
At what point do you think this will lead to a successful outcome for anyone except big pharma
We cant fix what is broke with the tool that broketh it (it goes something like that-waiting on caffeine click ).
A good Russian Shaman will do the trick JP.
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Here's a [Link] to an article by Peter Breggin MD that appeared in, 'Ethical Human Psychology & Psychiatry', Vol 8, No 3.
It's a read so worthwhile I pulled it down from somewhere and made a proper PDF of it.
It's my sister with Down Syndrome, who NEVER had any emotional problems in her entire life (she was always cheerful and in a good mood, and completely enjoyed her life).
She got Lyme (courtesy of the US bioweapons dept.), and had horrible symptoms. Her symptoms were neurological in nature, including noise in her head and tinnitus. The tinnitus was so severe that she could not sleep, which is how she ended up on the benzo (ativan). The doctor never gave us any warning, and the label only said that we would need to taper her off. We had no idea that we were about to destroy our lives.
Anyway, over the course of six weeks on the poison, it slowly became apparent that the drug was having a horrible effect on her, so we knew we had to get her off of it. We called the doctor for help, and she basically abandoned and ignored us, leaving us on our own to figure out how to get her off of the poison. The so-called "doctor" told us to find a psychiatrist, but all of the psychiatrists we called refused to help us and told us to go back to the prescribing physician. In retrospect, this was a good thing because psychiatrists have no idea how to get off of these poisons, and blame the patient for the symptoms associated with the withdrawal.
We found this site called benzobuddies [Link] for people trying to get off the poison. The symptoms from the withdrawal have been beyond horrific (e.g. terror). People mistakenly believe that the emotions associated with withdrawal have to do with underlying emotional issues. But this is simply NOT the case, and my sister is a perfect example of this--she never had any emotional problems for her 40 years of life. What we have learned from the benzobuddies site is that the benzos damage the GABA receptors, so they lose their affinity for GABA and no longer work.
My sister's brain seems to heal very slowly, so we have had to taper at a much slower pace than others. We have been at this nightmare since August of 2016, and although she's much better than she was, she is by no means functional, and we have a long way to go. The level of hell this unleashed on us is unbelievable. There are no words to describe the level of horror we have had to endure. This has been an PTSD level event for us, and the horror of the situation probably took 20 years off of my life. I'm actually a clinical psychologist myself, and I've never heard about how dangerous these benzos are.
What people have to go through to get off of these poisons is tantamount to emotional torture . Yet, the medical community (which I consider to be a medical mafia) ignores it and blames the patient. It's truly EVIL. These poisons should be banned!!
Also, the only thing that saved us during this nightmare was that we learned from benzobuddies.com about the value of holding while tapering (doctors recommend reducing the dose by 1/4 every two weeks, which would have killed us). After we reduced her dose by 90% over the course of a year, she developed mild akathesia, which is a symptom that people describe as potentially torturous, and since we didn't want to risk that, we decided to hold and stay where we were (no more tapering) until her brain caught up and healed from what we already removed (the poison). We have been holding for 2 1/2 years and she is doing much better.
How a vegan diet could affect your intelligence
The vegan diet is low in - or, in some cases, entirely devoid of - several important brain nutrients. Could these shortcomings be affecting vegan's ability to think? It was the late 1880s in the...I n other cases, It's easy to see how a secondary problem and another class of drugs can quickly escalate to a one-way ticket the pharma hell
Only thing I can think of that is of real help in cases like your sister is strict diet and nature. And that takes a lot of time and effort.
I know of drNatasha Campbell McBride that healed her child from autism with diet. And I heard that people who want to get of chemical opiates have success with CBD heavy Cannabis (some THC is needed!) or Kratom as a way to have a buffer and good quality of life. Im not proposing to change addiction for addiction because everything that we let rule our lives is bad, be it medicine, food or "stuff"(as George Carlin so nicely frames it). Im frustrated when I see people judging people that are in some kind of pain and need help just to get through the next day without thinking of suicide or all the problems in your life! How can anyone move on without proper help? Not easily, in fact lot of us die trying.
Well, from our experience (ourselves and seeing countless people go through this on benzobuddies.com), sadly, nothing helps recovering from benzos other than time. Diet does not help. Only time seems to heal those GABA receptors.
In the meantime the UK government will be focusing on criminalizing the people who gave you advice
UK: Posting 'anti-vaccine propaganda' on social media could become criminal offence, Law Commissioner says
Posting anti-vaccine propaganda on social media could become a criminal offence - even if those promoting it believe the pseudoscience, the UK's new criminal Law Commissioner has said. In her...I havent had the need for a pill since doctors made me take em after recovery from a nasty operation in a hospital where I had Olive CBD oil smuggled in by my wife. CBD interacts only with antibiotics in my case and I was fine. Nevermind the fact that antibiotics were prescribed for everything and Its a wonder my microbiome and I are here. Here we had Pliva which is known as a very good pharma company in the 90s (novartis bought them) and there are a lot of dealers of pills from all walks of life. You can say that we have a pill popping culture among old-er folks here. Possibly all ex-communist countries all are pill popping alcoholics in various degrees. Drugs were never really available until the fall of Berlin wall.
If you need regeneration of nervous system you got options btw. And ten years ago I was told no. No neoro-genesis for me. But Im at 10% of my PTSD and I remember being able to drink 15 large beers with pills and lot of smoking weed and still being tight and nervous. All that on top of a posonous diet and totaly destructive lifestyle and mindset (had to add a smiley to this sentence lolz)
So these two seriously help heal any problems in our nervous systems.
Bacopa Monnieri
Psylocibin
Right diet + these supplements with proper advice and exercise should be able to cure almost anything.
Sry for the essay ... hope it helps
Regards
Agron
As for your health situation, sorry for all you have been through, but it's good to hear you are getting your health back.
And you are doing the best thing for your health by becoming your own doctor--that's what we intend to do for the rest of our lives. We will never again trust a doctor.
Ghost points acupuncture clinical applying (1/3) [Link]
Ghost points acupuncture clinical applying(2/3) [Link]
no 3/3 vid for some reason and it’s not a flash harry production, there’s two very interesting accounts of how it helped one family and another person that suffered a stroke and lost the use of a leg.
Fullmoon in LEO (the smile-er) tonight. Glad it picked you up for the sleighride
It is called the Snow SuperMoon.
Owl people experiment extremes. Its nature but in a human body... OUCHHHH
Everytime i read you i see a SNOWY OWL have a shitfit A
Put one up on your screen, you ll see. Youve got 24h vision/360°.
A totem very hard to master. Detox centres are full of them as well as 2's 3's 15's and 27's. The 21 (owl) really is the roughest of all.
JB's mastery piece is snake. He has it very hard to 'letting it go'.
Here, our two big owls are the Barred Owl (does a four or eight note call "Who cooks for you? Who cooks for y'all?* ) You can get them to come to you if you can do a fair imitation.
The other is the Great Horned Owl.
I've never seen a Gyrfalcon, nor a Snowy Owl, but once I saw a perfectly camouflaged Winter Ptarmigan.
RC
*Obviously a Southern Owl.
RC
Agron I posted this a month ago. "If you wish to see the most cat-looking owl you've ever seen, check out this: [Link]
Here, our two big owls are the Barred Owl (does a four or eight note call "Who cooks for you? Who cooks for y'all?* ) You can get them to come to you if you can do a fair imitation.
The other is the Great Horned Owl.
I've never seen a Gyrfalcon, nor a Snowy Owl, but once I saw a perfectly camouflaged Winter Ptarmigan.
RC
*Obviously a Southern Owl.
RC
Btw... if your boy is a 6 you know he is Snake medicine
N.B. when we share animal totems with others (or their prey lol) we naturally project us onto them et vice versa... symbiosis is a healthy process until healthy no more. Si??)
I know RC is fascinated by blond cats ... small n big lollll
Bro is skunk. Owl medecine (21) is very close by. Mom maybe????
In psychology tbis is called 'auto-deztruction or self sabotage".
Powerful stuff to unplug if you get my drift.
Btw... A, RC and many more Sottees have Lynx... (not me though lol)and believe it or not.. i wasnt sure if i should share and look what just popped up.
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The more we ask of them the healthier they become and stronger we remain.
Feel free to ask. The pleasure is mine.
And when I was about 30ish I had a late night encounter with a big scary magnificent owl that was hunting something in the trees across a balcony I was on in Istria (which is known for strange paranormal happenings). Also once a local "witch" surprised me with a reading of my future at a dinner party on another trip there I was highly doubtfull and suspicious and forgot about it but she got some stuff very right, which was obvious over a decade later.
10 is turtle... so look that one up and now please forgive mom who just didnt know better. You love her dearly and the material body comes from our mother 'mater'
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... now you understand why our mythology got us hooked on Eve and reaping thorns n thistles.
Time has come to dump that load... i.e. 'let it go'
nb.. i ve offered JP, maybe this time he'll listen.
Remember.. it is always oneself we are for-giving... meaning... we made a lousy choice of choosing our parents out of the whole lot and need to let that ride. No need to speak it, our conduct speaks louder than words. Easy... put one of your newfound buddies on it! (They ll even find you a parking at the entrance of the shop on a mega rainy day), you know what i mean ... well, ...
ask and you shall receive
....Kinda like finding trumpet as the onlychoice out of THE ENTIRE POPULATION of the USofA 🙈🙈
Here... just so we have all in one place. Who knows maybe JP will ask you for a favour
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Btw.. we all have minimum 9 animal instincts in our personal totem. All creatures must be healthy (also by eating their natural foods i.e. owls also feed on hare therefore eating rabbit will make your cells instantly powered up)
Read up on your favs... they are favourites for a reason)... as those we fear or are repulsed by.
Also your sun sign rising sign (if an animal) chinese n chinese rising. That s a BIG start.
Not all creatures are herbivores... therefore some peeps just NEED bacon lol... especially pigs n wildboars for instance.
Ask any for assistance or guidance... even in dreamtime. Whisper to them thank you before falling asleep they will gift you, guaranteed!!
Agron · 28 minutes ago
LindaMay I will give rabitt a try for sure now that you mention it. I have friends that have friends who hunt.
And its true for me, I was almost gone without proper protein and fatty acids.
Yeah, Im already in "cahoots" with my ancestors in that way. Lets add a Totem into the mix
Thanks for all the pointers L ... have a nice rest of the day too.
LindaMay · about a minute ago
Thank you A.
Read up on rabbit/hare, if you are a highly sensitive heart (a liitle like RC ) rabbit may be your power animal as well and not just Owls favourite foodgroup. (maybe even your chinese🤔)
I experimented with my health too. I NOW eat meats atleast twice daily. My Grizzly cant ever get enough of her love of the finned
Agron - Ever heard of the Lyre bird? It is the master of sounds. Check this video out, truly astonishing! [Link]yeah among top weird bird sounds. Birds like to imitate too. Altho that barn owl screech really is a doosie, eh RC? Btw. I think that sound was used in LOTR as voices for 9 dead kings of mankind.
RC
*Another cool life event: (story): I was living in Huntington Beach nay, actually, I'd just moved out and into my car for May & June 1982. I was leaving my favorite coffee & health food breakfast (doughnuts ) shop in HB when the car in front of me ran over a fledgling Magpie. Now they are probably the smartest birds in America. I jumped out; it was stunned, but not run over.)
I put him/her/it in an empty 12 pack (of selzer? nah, it was beer - Henry Weinhardt's as I recall) behind the driver's seat with some food and water. I envisioned me teaching the critter to speak (easy to do) and thought (correctly) that it would be a great way to meet girls. "Maybe even better than a Dog." I pictured myself at 60? :
"He hears the ticking of the clocks; and walks along with a Magpie that talks; where the sailors all come in; maybe she'll pick him out again; how long must he wait? One more time for a simple twist of fate. " Dylan, Blood the Tracks album.So, en route to Santa Barbara, the magpie started hopping around in the box. Obviously better. I got to SBCC, which overlooks the sea. (beautiful place just inland from here https://www.google.com/maps/@34.4011726,-119.7008133,3a,75y,90.08h,90t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1sAF1QipOuUiHeQejOH2MQG6NnC0lU8JQI776XgM b6EyHg!2e10!3e11!6shttps:%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipOuUiHeQejOH2MQG6NnC0lU8JQI776XgM b6EyHg%3Dw203-h100-k-no-pi0-ya301.099-ro-0-fo100!7i3584!8i1792.) Girls on the lawn everywhere. I figured: "Well, let's see how 'maggie?' is doing," I brought the box out to a towel on the grass with a bear. I brought the bird out. S/He seemed OK. "Cool! No what am I going to start teaching it to say?"
At that instant the bird did a fledgling's hop, skip and fly! as I raced after it. S/he flew into a thorny palm tree of interlaced & down-the-trunk thorned palm leaves about 50 yards away. "Oh well, sez RC, that'll be better for Maggie, anyway."
Then, when I left the next day, I stopped to check the Surf at Rincon, and there, in a Eucalyptus? tree, (unusual) was the first Roadrunner I'd seen since when we moved from the Mojave Desert in 65/66. I said hello and took a picture of the RR and called it a day. Went to San Clemente & surfed the best swell I've ever surfed for the next EIGHT DAYS.
RC
You are 60 now i m sure lol
I had a video earlier n looking for it. Hummingbird waiting on her chicks to hatch.
Hummers signal the Epic Journey. We ve got that going on right here right now.
I get battles between a group of Magpies and a group of "Kingston parakeets" outside my window
Our animal collections tatoos even fav stuffed animal lol... they count mega. Whatever contacts we have with the wild... add them too.. (magpies/parakeet totem) also... what the scene is i.e.sleeping eating growling fighting affectionate etc. Hash, health yes!!, .. i keep getting badger for you. If born 29 i am right on the $
(Trees flowers stones also have their messages)
Btw 2020 is genius year. BEAVER (Use it!)
Our age is also indicative of what s going down actually. Send me numbers and i ll oblige. (Yr of birth to be summed up to 2 digits, i.e. 1961=17= Cougar 💁♀️
Yes Agron... this is one fullmoon that has got her arms snuggly bundled around you. That makes for one happy FireOwl!!
Giggles for RC Who cooks for you!! Tremendous
Strangely enough the only "animal" I have in the house is a Swedish glass owl (about 12 cm high)
I then had a closer look and found a couple of others
A Green Lion, a Salamander and a Dragon (ouroboros) - 3 alchemy images
Ball of snakes - pottery / stoneware
Elephant - incense cone holder
Chameleon or Iguana - small wooden thing
House choirs and dumbells and books then, eh?
Gotta be busy even when weather is like diarrhea...
Bros this is TREMENDOUS
-33°C here and not complaining
Hit the dishes MEN 🐴
Humans are reflection of the stary night when we are born. We are a human body of min 9 animal instincts. They ALL need to get along 🐴🐴.
Then we have 'transcended' or humanness, have beckme integrated and live our DHARMA... of course that does not exclude kicking ass if the TOTEM's mission is to clean house. Ja?!?
(Still need to watch out for further Karma... lol cause she's a bitch.)
( I apologize in advance...) BUT, here? Today? You ask? Not a cloud in the sky, dry, (lo humidity), high should be around 75F.RC
I am going biking where I usually (~ 70% of the time) see more eagles than people. (I'll think/hope up some good weather for y'all - though LM sounds happy with hers.)
In regards to humidity, there is very little as it is too cold for any evaporation to occur (thank the universal spirit)
And I envy you being able to see majestic eagles 🦅 over people! The fewer the people then the better!
I'd get to the top of Dercum's Gulch, all the way to base, warm up for 20 minutes and back up. (A year or two before that, I was doing a Giant slalom (effectively) on that same run from the D.G. to Ramrod. I got the time down to 1:36?
I was kinda crazy.
RC
*Not until I find the diary.
One day I will be able to converse with people about places I know, whether that’s holiday excursions or whatever until then I’m just a poor guy with a open mind. In my eyes the truth is way more valuable than the money. Sorry if I went on a tangent!
(I presume that folks realize that full moons, like solstices & equinoxes, happen at a precise moment in time, not just 'on a day'.)
That said, on 12/12/2019, was a full moon. When? 12:12 a.m. EST.
Cool, eh?
RC
Also, here, there are big tax breaks for mortgage buyers, plus there are bonds for first time homeowners.
Then, you become a house renter flipper. Since you're painting, you can handle that.
Note, even in a 'worst case' scenario, where, here, the FEMA camps get filled up, do you think they're going to be seizing the owners of single family dwellings? Those are the LAST folks they'll grab.
RC
No Anna, not hitting on RC!
ALSO RC... the fullmoon was at 02:32 ET in leo, the CAT... but same thing... 12:12 was the push before the Ahhhhh 🤣🙈🐴💁♀️👍
Now at 12:12 is doubly sweet and guess what!! 2019=? (tripley sweet).
Your birthday was the most spiritual day of the entire year. A Ste-Trinity DAY. MY GOD!! and i wrote 'pristine' up here much earlier... well... there is your confirmation. You are soooo deserving!! Wunderbar!!
Watch for who is born on a 5 or month of May. Splendid!!
Lesson #1: Try to stay with version #1 or 2 of any new class of medications. E.g., w benzos, I think #2, Valium/Diazepam was #2 of that group, and has the least problems.
The problem is that once something is created, (e.g., Valium) the other RX makers copy it, add or lose a molecule, and create a similar copy of it - NOT because they're better than the original - but instead so that it can be patented. (THERE'S the REAL origin of 'designer drugs.') Thus, after Valium arrived all the far more problematic Benzos, such as Ativan, Rohypnol (ruffies); Xanax, et al.)
Likewise with:
-Tagamet (Great Stuff!): The PPI copies of it, have caused all sorts of problems and unless you insist upon tagamet, a Dr. will prescribe the latest greatest (BS!) Prevacid, etc. They recently had to put 'black box type' warnings on almost all ppi's EXCEPT Tagamet / Citemidine!
- Same story: NSAIDS like Ibuprofen. The later ones have more side effects and don't work any better (maybe naprosyn is OK but that's it.)
;Thus, by following this simple advice just one example, you never would have gotten a heart attack from now recalled Vioxx, which couldn't have helped you any more that ibuprofen.
Etc. Etc. Do your own research; always.
RC
One of the biggest problem with these drugs is over time if you take a lot of them you will lose the elasticity in your bladder and will cause lose of control and pee yourself. One really has to do there own research on every thing one takes even for long term. We didn’t have computers back then but we did have some real good DR.s you just had to ask keep asking questions, luckily I had a few good ones.
The trick is to eventually stop the repetitive automations (unconscious or not).
I take two meds a day, thyroid pill because I don’t have a thyroid and one for bp. I do take high strength CBD oil to help with inflammation and nerve problems, fibromyalgia, sever mussel cramping in legs, feet, toes ect. all very painful. I just deal with the everyday body pain and do the best I can. I take a mussel relaxer for sever cramping and or a antidepressant for burning in my feet when I need to. Some times it will be months before I need to take them depending on how much physical activity things I do.
We can heal ourselves by life force energy and I have used it in meditation and healed some of my problems until Milab and MK ultra did experiments on me they have sense takin my natural born gifs away from me. Its hard for me to be on this planet and I don’t ever have a problem leaving because of what they did to me. It’s a day by day thing. I axially look forward to crossing over. Being in real physical pain for 40ys or so I’m not depressed I’m just tired.
You have survived tremendous!! Several weeks (3+) we all entered a new 35 yr cycle. Keep an open mind.. let the past in the past. Start afresh but keep caring for yourself as you ve clearly known how to. I guarantee, the scene has shifted. Today is also a remarkable passage... a nudging forward n onward.
- oxygen baths
- magnesium
LACTOFERMENTATION
(I came across something 'no thyroid' just recently. I ll ask puma to reveal it to me and i ll be back).
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Thank you too for your wisdom and encouragement, I like to see people full of spiritual life like yourself. I was at one time much like you. There are forces out there that most unawake people have no idea who and what they are and what they can do to you. I do not have any direct links to this but look up Milab ET which stands for Military lab, let alone MK Ultra. It is hard to keep trying to be healthy when they hit you with ( DEW ) Direct Energy Weapons, Microwave Weapons called touch-less torture and they do other experiments to me during the night time, this has been going on from 2012 to this day. They burned out my Pineal Gland and my connection to source all of this because I gained and had certain knowledge and had advanced gifts, telepathy, remote viewing, seeing future events, manifesting thought and energy to extremes. Sedona AZ is one of the spiritual highways of the world a place to heal and bring life and spirituality back to humanity this was my life’s plan. The dark elite powers to be do not want this. I am not alone many of us are targets of the dark some more than others. I am surprised that they haven’t done me in but they do like to torture, it's a slow death, mentally and physically. Their game and the bet is how long will it take before you decide to leave.
Believe me I do appreciate your spirt and willingness to help me and others, this world needs more people like you.,
P... living love (the neutral kind i.e. Agape) is the only protection. So up with them sleeves, it's a new day... and there is a shitload of work to be done Keep at it... we'll be in touch.
Study this JP/Agron thread and get your instincts on board. Your name is Patrick for a reason.
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Adding this article in here to package it all up nicely for us JP and his girl
Chaga mushroom: This unusual tree fungus is a medicinal powerhouse
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Check this dude out
Gratitude helps you cooperate. Does it also make you a sucker?
Be grateful. That's been my science-backed mantra for a good many years. I say science-backed because unlike the rationale your parents relied on when urging you to be appreciative (though they...Also
Feb 9 and Feb 8 video is what i wish to share.
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I have commented on my skepticism of the heliocentric model that we are told to that we must believe in
So does astrology hold the planets and the lights in the sky as our ancestors did, or can it stomach the scientific version that the nearest twinkle is 4 light years away (Sagittarius now being 25,000 light years away)
Don't worry, whatever your answer, you will not be branded with "Flatard" on your forehead for a first offence
Agron - I’ve seen that video. You sir, are a legend. Buff saidWhen people in need get this information it truly is a reason to be joyful, eh?
Hash... only the stars in hollywood are motherf**ken liars. The stars above do not lie. Siderial Babylonian and Tropical mixture is like astounding cocktail. Takes finetuning and discernment...
I m no astrolger, of neither, but she s a heck of a researcher... my scorps and my salmon do that for me.... my badger and wildboar are backups always ATTENTION <3
The Stars are the souls of our ancestors... i can even borrow yours if i want to if mine are out to lunch
The way it relates his life to being "born under a bad sign" always makes me think if astrology really can foretell things like that, does it really have power, or is it just an excuse for some people's actions or positions they aren't proud of at times.
I m just speechless of all our synchronicities!
Here is one of my alltime favs 1971=18 *played right after Born Under a Bad Sign.
In honour of all you Lynxs (#18) sottdotnet is flooding with lynxs (but not me lol ... not brainy not intellectual but StreetSmart (fox=25)
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UP n onward i say. Lets create a different process is what i say
So much balance is yet to be experienced. This new CYCLE is all about the 5th House in astrolgy. Do yer research y'all
Btw sbc... intuitively went for King... did not know of him but woweeee.💁♀️
Here, shining the light just for you chéri,
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Funny... yote is all about humour come to think of it. (google its totem).... use it why not
Taurus getting a new life. YOU will enjoy
Here is actually a tremendous listen that i just did about OUR weekend just passed amazing!!
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And this coming week, it is VIP
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Their Totems were especially interesting, coyote, beaver is much like the badgers. this was the link I went to. [Link] Learn something new everyday.
Thanks too for link to the forecast LindaMay
Badgers have been seen jumping like the fox while aiding it in the hunt for mouse. They truly help out. Amazing stuff!!
I call you as my friends.
Christian you are such a gentle soul. I very much appreciate your presence.
thank you for being a Sottie, you all enrich my life in more ways then you know.
You might find new friends later when youre ready. Or you might find that you never had any real friends anyway and that you dont need that kind of people in your life . Its a "struggle" but all else comes and everything is a lesson for you. Ever noticed how things shift/change when you win over your old self? When you learn "a lesson" new one is instantly developing.
So no fear and eyes open. In my view life is fun and a wonder to behold. And I was made to believe otherwise. Why? To chase the carrot and be a fearfull slave.
I say enough, I didnt sign up for that
So I had less problem distancing myself from bad influencing people. Which turned out to be everyone I knew. Even parents. I now keep my relations with people (no matter who they are) based on how much energy and in what way is exchanged. Energy is basicaly all we truly have Just realized this last bit haha. Thanks Christian83
Christian... relax into it. There is much more in CHAGA article. Me n A are hangin' at 2 different places, same time GIGGLES. MAGIC
dont forget that hummingbird... i dont see him on your list lolllll
THEN, there was a HUGE ring around the moon,, about two moon diameters out. way farther than normal. Also, despite that bright moon,the stars were all there too..
Well the neighbor & I chat, he's moving back to Cal. we've lived in lots of the same places.
So, I was explaining to the neighbor how to find my house, ("just drive up the road and look straight up (for the tree that owns/rents me and covers the entire street) - so I demonstrate, lean my head back, and THEN! above me zaps the Second Bolide I've ever seen!* It was arcing from about the Zenith down to our SW, at about 70 degree angle. It was BEAUTIFUL (magnesium?) GREEN, on the outside with a bit of blue and white beneath it.. He saw the light out of the corner of his eye, but I was looking straight up 'for/at' it! AMAZING. I wouldn't be surprised if some sky cam caught it and we'll see it here shortly! I made a wish!The zone continues! LM Thanks!
R.C.
*I saw one in Tahoe once that lasted longer and was bigger but not as colorful.
RC
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*which I fear might be some feminine version,
** I had to enter it into google translate.
No charge.
RC
Guess that makes it Amigx
Think about it like this. If Jordan Peterson is doing something good for large amounts of people (in the sense that they are better human beings) that he is most certainly under huge attacks (of all possible kinds) from psychopaths, perverts and all other parasites that want this retarded parasitic-religions ego-centric war-based money-worshiping delusional zombie whorish msm consumerism (latest fad is fake-woke-progressive) mind manipulation bonanza and corporate Earth raping to continue on?
And these attacks come through his family too! Without them being aware. Because weak-minded family members (even without any illness) are always a good tool for bringing down people who question the status quo or do anything not according to social "norms".
So ofcourse hes more and more confused and fearful and in that state you make wrong decisions. Hence his downward spiral.
If he needs anything from "normal" people its help, not judging! Also it would seem that If you are judging JBP you are also aligning yourself with the nice people from third sentence of this comment, think about that.
And if you go for him on the base of his pill and drug use you must know that youre calling that demon onto yourself. And if you had that demon you had to see and learn that judging is a no no. I mean, even God doesnt judge, no matter what certain religious novels want you to believe like a sheep.
"Saints" also have a dark side and thats why people are in awe when they are present. Awe is like fear for many.
We all have our dark side. And the goal is to work with it. Not to kill it/remove it as many think when they start the path of spiritual growth. Why would you try and kill a part of you? It is like a half-suicide. You would be less. If you make it work for you you are more. So In this case less is not more
To close: Jung was wrong Freud also didnt fully understand human nature. (If you want I can recommend good philosopy to start you on a non-judgemental path. Ask and ye shall be given )
Regards
Agron
I'd just caution that if you are being attacked, your doctors, unwittingly or otherwise, are more likely to assist the attackers that you or your family ~ It's just the wrong frame of mind to think medicines are going to help when one is being attacked
Yeah, thats why I mentioned danger with family members. And most people view their doctors as family, or at least I think so. I certainly dont, in fact, quite the opposite.
Medicines that come in pill form are essentialy blocking agents with side-effects. People percieve that they are getting some benefit when they take a pill but that is just because they are out of tune with their bodies and in their minds too much. 90+% of pill formed patented medicine comes from plants. The mistake is they take out one compound and say that the rest of the plant doesnt matter. Which is stupid beyond belief. Because its the only way to make profits. No patent no yacht no power.
So, in conclusion:
'bloody playground': strange way of seeing people's conversations.
'free association': I thought this was supposed to be a good thing...
'gaining attention': aren't we all doing that by merely commenting?
No patent No yacht No power
Brilliant Agron!!
All very well articulated by keyboard lol... have no clue why key/board wanted its place right here, maybe you do.
Shaman Healer Sage is the last book i read, back in 2006.
The Four Agreements i didnt read. I just asked... 'what are the 4' a long time ago, and made use.
Key/board.... naaaa independant message - just outta the blue... for you/your journey, privately.
So, instead, I enter it here and get into that "Take 2 Zone" again, that I find self here, not there and it's here all about 'keypad/keyboard-ish' but this is the wrong place. (I only searched for your name.)
I once was in a zone where all my friends were dying in strange ways. I had three attorney friends (three of my six closest atty friends) - each under 40 - and they died in a period of four months.
Then my Dr. friends died, with their wives, 36 hours apart. (See the AB, it's even creepier in detail.) SO, in THAT ZONE, folks became scared to even speak with me. (No sh*t.)
Now, it seems as though the 'zone' is opposite. (I'll happily take that.) (Still waiting on my Bolide wish.)
RC
Living 'in the zone' is not a walk in the park, i know RC (re all thoses experiences).
n.b. the bolide has a full year haha... i sense end july early august. (early june is hot too )
T'was he who said, (and after my respect for his forecasts had been instilled by their shocking accuracy);
"I dunno. There might be something to this whole 'numerology' deal." (Of course, multiple examples followed.)RC
Weird perspective among a wide selection of important and interesting topics.
I suppose that is why God places these factors into our reality.
Define 'wierd' Anna
Our function for humanity is "To Keep and To Dress the Earth." To Keep means to protect and to Dress means to prepare for use for future generations.us included.
[Link]This is very interesting!! Hes talking about same things as Alan Watts (mix of Buddhist/Hindu philosophy) but he has a deeper insight at physics of sub-consciousness, or so it seems! Love his Shakespeare references
Heu Len
Thanks LM
(sry but due to time difference I fall asleep when you guys are most active here, damn)












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