People are heavily guilt-tripped into correct behavior via diet. A lot of this comes from advertising, which is manipulative by nature, but it's also coming from most diet-related 'news' items in the mainstream media. These days the party line is essentially that meat is bad for you, bad for the environment, bad for the planet - and is unspeakably cruel on top of that. The closer you are to hardcore vegan, the better you are as a person.
See this manipulative meme as an example:
An article recently published in New Scientist is typical of modern dietary propaganda. While framed as an exploration into how far food science has come in mimicking an actual burger through hyper-processed plant extracts, it serves as further fodder for manipulating people into eliminating the healthiest components of their diet (which are meat-based).
While vegan activists will accept nothing less than worldwide conformity to their enforced dietary utopia, the food industry has apparently opted to target a more modest market. Rather than going after non-meat eaters, they're going for the market that has already been guilt-tripped into eating less meat. While vegan is still the absolute highest status one can achieve on the self-righteous dietary hierarchy, the flexitarian is the next rung down on the ladder - a person who is flexible enough to only eat meat sometimes, and enjoy vegetarian meals at other times. Rather than ruin your health full-time, it seems at least partly acceptable to the diet dictocrats that you ruin it part-time.
The arguments put forward for curbing meat consumption usually come in three different flavors:
- The health argument - eating meat is bad for you, will clog your arteries, give you cancer, diabetes, ruin your credit rating, etc.
- The ethical argument - eating animals is cruel (never mind the fact that the fate of pretty much all prey animals on the planet is to get eaten by something; if you do it, it's cruel).
- The environmental argument - eating meat is bad for the environment because greenhouse gas emissions and carbon footprint and land use and a bunch of other settled science.
I LOVE meat. I love the smell of it cooking, the sound of the sizzle. I love the fat dropping onto the coals beneath a barbecue, the deep-pink "give" of a medium-rare steak, the smoke, the blood. I particularly love eating burgers in the US, where the act of griddling meat is an art form that has been perfected into juicy, salty, fatty heaven.Meat, am I right? If I conjure up enough appetizing imagery to show you my love, you'll identify with me. I'm your meat brother. We're spirit siblings in carnal indulgence.
Now I'll hit you with the guilt...
I am painfully aware that I should reduce how much meat I consume. According to the UN's Food and Agriculture Organization, livestock graze on a quarter of our planet's ice-free land while another huge swathe is used to grow fodder. The greenhouse gas emissions associated with the industry are vast, around 15 per cent of the total from human activity. Raising animals for meat also guzzles water and energy.While our meat-loving bond is surely strong, I'm here to tell you, spirit sibling, that we're actually paving the road to hell. Much like the destructiveness of a heroin problem, our love of our addiction is taking us down a dark path to personal and planetary destruction.
The paragraph quoted above is basically the New Scientist piece's argument for why reducing meat consumption is the right thing to do: 'because climate change' (née global warming). The author, Niall Firth, doesn't actually say 'climate change' or 'global warming' - but he doesn't have to. Bringing up how much land livestock take up and greenhouse gas emissions, we're left to make the connection ourselves. And because we've been primed since 2006 to believe we're guilty of planetcide every time we flip a light-switch, tying veganism to an already established guilt-trip is a very effective strategy.
In responding to a piece critical of sustainable farming in the New York Times for Grist back in 2012, Joel Salatin, the owner-operator of Polyface Farm, an organic grass-fed farm serving thousands of clients, makes some very good points:
Actually, the amount of methane emitted by fermentation is the same whether it occurs in the cow or outside. Whether the feed is eaten by an herbivore or left to rot on its own, the methane generated is identical. Wetlands emit some 95 percent of all methane in the world; herbivores are insignificant enough to not even merit consideration. Anyone who really wants to stop methane needs to start draining wetlands. Quick, or we'll all perish. I assume he's figuring that since it takes longer to grow a beef on grass than on grain, the difference in time adds days to the emissions. But grain production carries a host of maladies far worse than methane. This is simply cherry-picking one negative out of many positives to smear the foundation of how soil builds: herbivore pruning, perennial disturbance-rest cycles, solar-grown biomass, and decomposition. This is like demonizing marriage because a good one will include some arguments.The problem is that those making the case that meat-eating hurts the environment consistently conflate meat consumption with factory farming (CAFOs). They are not the same thing, as Joel Salatin has repeatedly shown. As has Lierre Keith in her must-read The Vegetarian Myth. Yes, factory farming is not good for the environment, but to say that all meat eating supports and depends on this type of farming is incorrect. Farming that mimics how grazing animals naturally interact with the environment is good for the environment - in so many ways that humans will likely never be able to engineer from scratch. The same is true for monoculture farming versus polycultures - the former exploits the environment, the latter builds and protects it (and it's not without irony that the vegan diet essentially depends on monocrop farming).
Again from Salatin:
[O]ne of the biggest reasons for animals in nature is to move nutrients uphill, against the natural gravitational flow from high ground to low ground. This is why low lands and valleys are fertile and the uplands are less so. Animals are the only mechanism nature has to defy this natural downward flow. Fortunately, predators make the prey animals want to lounge on high ground (where they can see their enemies), which insures that manure will concentrate on high lookout spots rather than in the valleys. Perhaps this is why no ecosystem exists that is devoid of animals. The fact is that nutrient movement is inherently nature-healing.And here's a talk by Zimbabwean environmentalist Allan Savory about how managed grazing animals can turn deserts into wetlands:
Meat farming, when done properly, is good for the environment. Yet when confronted with facts, vegans inevitably fall back to the ethical argument, saying there's no such thing as ethical farming since eating meat is inherently cruel. This argument is ridiculous from the outset - obviously an animal living in an ideal environment, cared for by providing it with its ideal diet and surroundings is less cruel than one that is raised painfully in confinement. The only substantial difference between an ethically farmed animal versus one in the wild is: who ends up eating it at the end of its life? One could even argue the pampered life of the farm animal involves less overall suffering (though I'm not sure how one would actually measure that).
So once we take a real look at the arguments behind why we should all be eating less meat, the New Scientist article is exposed for what it is: an advertisement for food industry players trying to exploit a lie to create a market for their science project. It's the same tactic being used by the lab-grown meat ventures (ironically referred to as 'clean meat'): convince people there's a problem that needs fixing; make those people feel guilty for causing said problem; then make money from your proposed solution. In the process you justify the existence of your false-assumption-based science, get loosh from like-minded investors who feel guilty enough to throw money at the non-problem (yes, Bill Gates, we all see you're doing your part), revel in the self-satisfied smugness that you're doing something that matters, making a difference, making the world better for our children and getting richer in the process. Everybody wins!
The article quotes one franken-burger maker as saying:
"This [burger] isn't aimed at vegans," says van der Goot. "Meat analogues are meant for meat-eating people who feel they should do something but don't know how. It's easier if you have a product to help."I can't tell you how many times I've thought to myself: "if only I had a product that would help me behave in a way that conforms to prescribed pseudo-solutions to non-problems, my life would be complete. I care about this. I really do. I just can't act until I have a product. Sorry."
The article focuses on a particular company called Impossible Burger, and I'll just summarize the scientific gymnastics they've gone through to try to imitate the look, texture, taste and aroma of real meat:
- genetically engineer yeast to produce leghaemoglobin, a close equivalent to haem iron found in meat
- replace the natural fat composition of meat with coconut oil
- isolate wheat and potato proteins and manipulate them to try to mimic the texture of meat
- add yeast extract and soy protein to impart "more umami flavours"
- add in some isolated vitamin supplements to replace the natural vitamin content of meat, making it more resemble actual food
- bind the whole thing together with plant gums
Here's another current attempt at faking meat, out of Wageningen University in the Netherlands:
Really winning over carnivores will require something that splits and breaks apart like a prime cut of meat. His technique starts with the usual suspects: soy and gluten protein powders, to which food colouring is added to give them a more appealing hue. This mixture is then pumped with water into a specialised piece of equipment called a Couette cell, consisting of two cylinders, one of which rotates inside the other under slight pressure. This exerts a shear force on the proteins that causes them to elongate into fibres and wrap around one another.This is not food. The fact that they're trying to convince you that it is, and that it's preferable to eating actual food that your body has genetically selected to eat, is a HUGE red flag. Perhaps the most audacious part of the article (for me, anyway) is when the author actually delves into the health implications. Unsurprisingly, the author resorts to the usual mainstream reductionist markers for what makes something 'healthy', and is surprised to find that the Impossible Burger isn't much 'healthier'. Here's a graphic of how it measures up:
Yes, because cholesterol, calories, saturated fat and salt are what's relevant to how healthy something is. Just ignore the gluten, soy, plant gums, 'natural' flavours, GMOs and the overall hyper-processing these ingredients have to go through to become a 'magic steak'. They are concentrating entirely on the wrong things, which is unsurprising since these are the established markers for determining 'healthy food'. The fact that this product apparently makes it through digestive tracts is a miracle. Maybe it should be called the 'Impossible to Digest Burger'. Eating the box the burger comes in would probably be less nutritionally detrimental than the burger itself.
While we're gauging the nutritional value of vegan fake food, here are the ingredients listed for the Impossible Burger. See if you can spot any actual food:
Water, Textured Wheat Protein, Coconut Oil, Potato Protein, Natural Flavors, 2% or less of: Leghemoglobin (soy), Yeast Extract, Salt, Soy Protein Isolate, Konjac Gum, Xanthan Gum, Thiamin (Vitamin B1), Zinc, Niacin, Vitamin B6, Riboflavin (Vitamin B2), Vitamin B12.Don't be fooled by its mundane appearance: the humble veggie burger is the culmination point of everything that's wrong with what the mainstream's reality-creators believe about the world. Nutrition - wrong. Environment - wrong. Morals and ethics - wrong. Eating something you actually want to eat - wrong. Even our New Scientist author says - with some resignation - that only for the sake of his conscience, he'll make the sacrifice to eat these abominations. It's the apex of doing nothing but contributing to the problem while living under the complete delusion that you're helping. It's the Dunning-Kruger effect embodied in simulacrum.
I'm not necessarily suggesting that these fake meat purveyors are willingly deceiving the public, but they're essentially exploiting a market spawned from the lie we're all being fed. This is why veggie burgers taste like lies. Saving the planet does not require fake food masquerading as what we're designed to eat. What's required is the exact opposite of that: getting back on track, using our brains to figure out how to raise our food animals properly and to stop trying to reinvent what nature has already provided for us in all its perfection. Going further down the path of trying to make our food "better through science" just takes us further away from what our food is supposed to be.
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I have noticed a similarly disturbing trend here, and I can’t help but come to the conclusion now that Sott is also a site that just peddles its own agenda. The two issues that stand out as being promoted are smoking and meat eating. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions of course, but it saddens me to see articles like these (written by a paleo enthusiast) that are blatantly promoting unhealthy practices.
I speak from personal experience, becoming a vegan 7 years ago was the best health decision I ever made. Diabetes, high blood pressure and thyroid problems vanished within months. I am in my mid fifties, my husband is almost 60 and our health is still perfect, neither of us have even stepped foot in a medical facility since becoming vegan.
As far as cruelty goes, if anyone believes that it is not cruel to consume meat or dairy, then you are just ignoring the facts to protect yourselves and justify your own behavior. Alternatively, you just don’t care about intelligent and sentient beings who endure immense suffering and cruelty just to appease your taste buds and line the pockets of wealthy corporations. It was discovering the truth about these industries that made my family become vegan. The health side of things was just an incredible bonus to this lifestyle.
The other interesting thing to note hear is the way this article assumes that vegans eat nothing but 'fake' manufactured meat, that is not the case at all. This may be shocking to some, but our diet consists mainly of fresh vegetables, fruit and grains and believe me we don't miss out at all. Would anyone care to argue that vegetables are bad for your health?
Perhaps to be fair, and in the interests of doing the right thing, this site should also hear from medical professionals who are advocates of a plant based diet, there are many out there, well, I have yet to see it and doubt that I ever will. Or perhaps there is no real agenda and it's less sinister than it appears. Perhaps it's just that the people who run this site are simply smoking, meat eating folks, just wanting to find 'facts' from anyone which will support their own. If not, then it really is just another agenda from another ‘trusted’ source. So sad.
9 out of 10 herbivores agree. The tenth was eaten by a Bird of prey.
On the other hand, Sott rightly exposes the fascist anti-tobacco agenda, and its propaganda that ignores the massive chemical-and-pesticide use in the production, the benefits of organic tobacco, and the fact of many tobacco users' longevity.
Unfortunately, if you dare criticize any of Sott's writers' prejudices, you'll get piled-on by an army of know-it-all, left/progressive-hating, 20-somethings that seem to dominate the comment space these days. It's consistent with the times. A decade ago you couldn't use cuss words or mention marijuana here.
Some vegans or vegetarians will do well on their plant based diet but most wont. SoTT’s obgevtive isn’t to get everyone being a smoking carnivore, they do their research and they do it more thoroughly than you can imagine, the research is subject to change of mind when new information is presented that should be considered or applied... at this current point in the ‘learning’ process all the fingers point to low carb meat eating as the most effect diet for the bulk of the mass’s longevity... because you disagree on your own personal bias doesn’t make you correct and it would be foolish to promote it for the majority of people.
Me personally, I’m not a huge meat eater, I love a variety of veggies, I make lots of organic bone broth, drink it daily and eat the meat 2-3 times a week, that works for me... I also do 15 hours a week of intense exercise which would be impossible if I didn’t eat meat.
You can either eat meat, and be thankful and have respect for the animal. Or you can adopt a plant diet, and think that plants have no 'feelings' or 'sense of pain'. Having done a couple of experiments on plants in a lab while studying Biology, I can tell you that plants do 'feel', but in a different way. Anyway, it's great that you're benefiting from the vegan diet, but do realize there are people who have suffered greatly after adopting such a diet, which in some cases became apparent years after. If it works for you, great! I'm not having any veggie burgers, though!
You will say, well the animals you eat have nice lives and are killed nicely. The bottom line is no sentient being wants to die and there is no nice way to take a life, especially when it is completely unnecessary.
There is nothing wrong with being truthful, rather than justify your actions with animals being killed nicely or plants feeling pain, just say, I don't care about what the animals suffer, I like meat and my taste buds are more important than an animals suffering as many people do!
As far as long term health problems 'people suffering greatly after adopting such a diet' I personally am yet to see it and of course there would be loads of disinformation out there about the vegan diet, but if you honestly research this ie: people like Dr Ellsworth Wareham (98) and so many others, you would see that this is not true. I'm sure you could have a crappy vegan diet too, but there are no long term health problems associated with a balanced, plant based diet!
On this planet, for as long as life forms have existed, everything eats something to survive, and some seem to think that they are above it all. That is ideology, and not reality. Even within the human world alone, people get eaten in all manner of ways, like confidence, financial, mentally, and even the soul, etc. That is the way it is.
As far as i am concerned, anyone can eat whatever they like, within reason. Also, my experience has been to date, that vegetarians and vegans are the ones who are proselytizing, not meat eaters. The whole thing rests on what some believe, that plants are not conscious in any way, and feel no pain. How arrogant and sanctimonious is that? Like humans have full spectrum awareness, nevermind dominance. Geeze, what a farce.
Check out Cleve Baxter's experiments. [Link]
In order for something to be sentient, a brain and a nervous system must be in place, biology 101. Since plants lack these components it obviously makes them non-sentient and since animals do posses these qualities...
Perhaps you read the study done on plants where they showed plants reacting to being cut and that study resulted in the conclusion that plants 'feel', I read that too but, their conclusion didn't make sense and sounded a bit driven by an ulterior motive by the people funding the experiment.
I would advise you to look into Dr. Masaru Emoto research about human intentions on water. Since everything contains water, Maybe this research about plants was really showing how the water in the plants was reacting to the experiment, not the plant itself.
The real issue is this, pants and animals are not the same. simple knowledge of biology tells you that and for you to make the equation that they are equal is sloppy ego at best. Pants don't want anything, they don't possess the thinking processes, that' s just idiotic. For you to call plant based dieters hypocritical in itself is hypocritical. You go watch the animals die, go spend an hour on the kill floor of an abattoir and then on the kill floor in plant harvesting and come back with your observations.
Rest easy. Even if I had the ability to do so, I would not spy on you. I respect your work too much. But I DO know some things via various contacts that you do not know - yet - and my opinions are carefully reasoned and considered. OTOH, I learn things from you too - all of us put together what we know and try to figure out what's going on, and sometimes your insights are quite impressive. I've been pulling your chain recently over these beefy articles, but please forgive my cheek. Let's agree to respect each other. Thanks, LG.
Plenty of articles or books for you to read if you want to know more about the biology of plants. Easy to find, too.
Joe Rogan and Michael Pollan on plant consciousness:
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I was talking to this chick at work today....
"I'm on a raw food diet".
"Your ancestors have been cooking their food for millions of years. Either you know something they didn't know, or they knew something you don't know."
"Err..."
"The reason you are here at all is proof of your ancestors success in these matters, whereas yours is pretty much still open to question."
There are still tribes in Papua New Guinea who have not been connected with the modern world, because anyone who tries to talk to them ends up getting eaten. Perhaps Mr. Pasquale would like to visit with them and preach to them about how delicious animal flesh is? I'm sure his powers of persuasion would be adequate to the job of keeping his thighs off a spit over an open fire, and his liver out of a delicious stew.
Or, he could always go to Syria and look up John McCain's friends. We could then play for the cows in the nearest slaughterhouse to Mr. Pasquale's former home, the video of Mr. Pasquale's kidneys being eaten raw with great relish by some bearded jihadist.
Well, you might. So why not just speak for yourself? Dragging everyone else in as accomplices in order to support your pet addictions and psychoses is indicative of a criminal mindset.
"Everyone does it".
Do they?
Behold the power of propaganda. If you think the photo of the alleged veggie-burger, looking instead like an overcooked turd-patty, at the top of this article is anything but pure propaganda, go away and think about it some more. It's like the photos the MSM publishes about all the Israelis suffering bitterly on their psychiatrists' couches, while omitting to publish the photos of crippled, maimed, and dismembered Palestinian children. Even RT, which never publishes anything but the strict truth, has been accused of propaganda. So, we have thus established that SOTT is just as given to propaganda in the service of their pet agendas as any other media organ. Is anyone surprised?
A decade ago the SOTT comments section hadn't quite been fully swamped out by beached stoners.
Vegans are The Flat Earth Society of the gastro world and are attempting drag everyone else down to 2D with them.
Good article, I thought.
A decade ago the admins had their paranoias, but at least there was highly intelligent and thoughtful and diverse dialogue.
You're already inhabiting 2D obviously.
"Millenial" - not true.
"Frat-boy" - not true
"Hate on vegans" - not true.
"Labeling dissenters 'stoners" - not true.
A stoner is a stoner. Some old mush brains for whom washing the dishes is a major achievement, and who can't get out of bed in the PM without hitting the bong first could hardly be called 'a dissenter'.
Also, if you weren't in alien reaction mode you might have noticed who attacked who first, in the above mainly pointless contretemps
Meanwhile, if SOTT wish to continue their 'max free speech' policy, perhaps they should have a "WARNING: DO NOT FEED THE BEACHED STONERS" sign at the top of the page.
Hence the Russian collusion narrative to explain their loss of control. (SOTT has become an oasis of expression in a sea of speak no evil) Good luck finding any websites who still have them. We are either on the verge of totalitarianism, or they will have to give us back what they took. Good signs this morning, RFK jr is all over the news wanting another investigation into his father's death. Something about visiting sirhan sirhan, viewing botched autopsy, rear entry wound, too many bullets for an 8 shot....
Here's one...
"is this some kind of Irish tongue-in-cheek hilarity intended to lighten the mood of SOTT? When they decided to put this at the top of the page had they just returned from a sing-song at their local ale-house, or is this all of a piece with stories of leprechauns and the Blarney Stone? Inquiring minds want to know.
I don't think I've ever heard Joe or Niall mention ale or ale-houses even once ever.
From the depths of the crypt of St. Giles, Came screams that were heard miles and miles. Said the Pope with a grin, "Doesn't Father O'Flynn, know that the Bishop has piles?"
How utterly charming. I bet you're a 'must have' on dinner party invite lists.
I say to the vegans and vegetarians; do an experiment without letting your emotions or conscience get involved. Do a pasture fed low carb paleo diet for 6 months and LISTEN to how your body talks to you. Then you might actually find real appreciation for the animals that sustain you and provide you the tools you need for evolution of body, mind and if you’re smart and a little bit lucky, soul.
Coming from an ex-vegan and vegetarian (me) there are no blindnesses like the ones we impose on ourselves by being superior to facts and ignoring the obvious.
Being vegan did not give me superpowers, it made me narcisstic, stupid and really annoying.
thanks for your laughs
Alan is the kind of expert I truly admire, has lived both sides of his argument, a scholar and a gentleman. Well worth watching by the way. Don't judge a book by it's cover! I would rank this video as one of the most important, for me, I have ever seen! First saw it about 4 years ago.
To me there are valuable lessons from both sides of any argument, including this one.
A McDonald's burger, compared to my Shepard son in law's, lamb. Is like comparing the MSM's, 'regime' of Syria, to what Eva Bartlett finds, when she visits there.
A mass produced Soy Burger, compared to something a farmer's family, with no access to Bio-chemically engineered substitutes, serves. Versus a 15 second sound bite from the Don, compared to Putin's 4 hour, unscripted, no teleprompter, live, annual, international press conference, at Valdai.
I love my veggies, I love my steak, I love my vegan honey and all her beautiful mistakes. We are none of us perfect. There are many agendas at play in the world. The most evil, destructive ones, fill us with a contempt for our fellow humans that manifests in violence. Empire laughs while we kill each other.
If stopping the torture of animals used for food is a good thing, how much better to stop the intentional, F.uk.us and Co-conspirators funded, terrorism in Syria and every other country that dares to rebel against the NWO regime. Let's get our priorities straight, we are the top of the food chain!
It's a relatively simple, but profound concept that Savory came to the hard way. If you the time and bandwidth do indulge yourself I would be curious how it strikes you. Having perused some of your other thoughts on SOTT, you seem quite bright. What do you think of Allan?
Do you know what they eat -- cattle --do you know how many shots they get in the last few weeks of their lives.
While a rancher will take care of his herd producing the best quality cattle he can -- he sells them to the stockyards who jab them with as much steriod and antibiotic as possible.
The anti-biotic is a precautionary method -- stockyards are infamous vector for disease -- the steriod is greed motivated getting the animals weight up as quickly as possible. Stockyard cattle food is not fit for eating. It actually garbage.
In the end your consuming all this, plus the animals fear and stress chemicals. They know they are moving towards slaughter while in the stockyards. The final product is tough, toxic meat.
Unless you are producing the meat on the open range. And sneek up on the steer and whack him on the head. Clean and butcher it yourself. Your in a lose situation.
Store bought meat is a toxin.
And the meat industry is a terribly cruel act.
I am not a vegan or vegetarian, I get the best were I can, and limit meat because is costs to much energy to digest the protein. I have found other sources which take less energy to consume. I eat fish from a lake, and local meat from ranchers in the area.
If you eating a paleo diet, Di Pasquli your an idiot. and to be listened to...your a flake.
Good healthy nutrition rich food, clean food. Is what is necessary for humans. If you can grow a clean garden, all the better.
As to good rich clean food it's wonderful that you can acquire that. I doubt if your superior attitude is going to convince anyone to give up something they love. Flake's and idiots always use your instead of you're, at least that snippet was instructive. Getting advice as you deliver it sends me in the exact opposite direction, thanks. Are you on George Soros's payroll by any chance?
Can you really not see that?
Complaining about the diet of others is a sign of psychological imbalance. Sure are a lot of folks complaining about "righteous vegans" who fail to see themselves as "righteous carnivores."
"When righteous and morality prevail, the Tao is lost." Lao Tzu
The only other article I can remember which generated this much attention was the one about feminism, which, after all, was all about our weenies, clitora, and other "pink bits," as John Cleese would have called them on the legendary Monty Python's Flying Circus.
Just goes to show what really interests the public. Bodily functions. Hey, Joe & Niall, how about an article about farts? Compare Jewish farts to Gentile farts to Palestinian farts, and Trump's farts to Queen Elizabeth's farts to Macron's farts, and all that. Probably get a thousand comments and get picked up by TIME Magazine. What do you think??
Am I the only one who thinks it's odd that the guy who has, by far, posted the most comments on this article is complaining about how much traction its getting?
Polite request: As it is now abundantly clear that this badly potty-trained a-hole who calls himself Lemuel Gulliver suffers from a total inability to control his own a-hole, which also doubles for a mouth, can someone please smack this a-hole's bottom, make with the wipes and moderate this a-hole obsessed a-hole?
Fake news, fake history, fake elections, fake climate science... why not go the whole hog?
Judging by appetites here, there's clearly a market for it.
There are many interesting vegan medical professionals with equally interesting life stories, people like Dr Ellsworth Wareham, Dr Caldwell Esselstyn, Dr Michael Klaper to name just a few. They don't normally make it onto mainstream media or get too much attention, because there are no corporate interests to serve or money to be made from hearing their stories and their health views!
Perhaps veganism isn't for everyone, but people should at least be shown another way and be allowed to decide for themselves. I wait with anticipation for the vegan article!
However, you might indeed want to hold your breath, given Niall's gaseous emissions that he is so proud of and so keen to discuss.
You're deluding yourself if you think veganism isn't a huge business. Read the above article and note that the fake burger companies in mentioned in the original piece are getting massive investments, many of them high profile "Beyond has also been a darling of the Silicon Valley venture capital scene, slurping up funding from tech luminaries such as Bill Gates (again), Twitter co-founders Biz Stone and Evan Williams and actor Leonardo DiCaprio."
Veganism is the new gluten-free and everyone wants in on the action. There's a reason it's being promoted high and low. There's money to be made $$$
I for one, am really pleased that it is 'being promoted high and low'. The less animals that are tortured, the better! I have no idea what the health implications would be of eating 'fake' meat as a staple, but I would hope that as people try the vegan diet and search for recipes, they would eventually find that they don't need these fake products, nature supplies everything we need for a healthy, delicious and balanced diet.
(PS: I hope you come back to read this.)
SOTT Focus:Grass-fed Beef — The Most Vegan Item In The Supermarket
Probably the most vegan item you can buy in the supermarket is a pound of grass-fed beef. I was thinking about that heretical idea as I drove through my neighboring countryside, scanning empty...Joe's comment implies just simply a abysmal ignorance on the part of Indians, and uses the example to dismiss a point about health & longevity. What's that called, deflection? India is a mafiocracy as bad as any in the West. Brahminical 'ritual purity' caste crap rules. Millions can't stand the system and work for change. But the leaders get ostracized or bumped off. Also, India had sane dairy practices up till 70s, but now industrialized. And I know that many lower-caste Hindus eat occasional meat and fish.
Real intellectually astute and sophisticated to point out that India, a country with vast diversity and deep culture, has a public health problem, and whatever positives are mentioned they can be dismissed with a racist-based point. Deny all you want. That's how racists roll. Got a Euro country that doesn't have a public health issue?
The irony of Sott's years of quoting/promoting Hare, Stout, and Łobaczewski is truly interesting. We see you, all.
Very mature.
wowa.. but some comments, i m getting a kick
Our creator gave us free will to make our own choices and a digestive system to adapt to our choices, and there are consequences when our choices are not in our own best interests over the long term.
Someone is actually killing the animal to satisfy your desire for meat; even if you are not doing the act, you are responsible for it.
I believe that "thou shalt not kill" means exactly that and human life is sacrosant over animal life, but that is not an excuse to kill the animal.
And that is why the geopolitical events in our world today are far more important to me.
The other thing is that it is convenience food, easy to prepare, just heat and eat and it doesn't stink. You don't realise how much animal flesh stinks when it's being cooked until you give it up, it's truly foul.
So just like meat eaters pay to have the killing and preparing done for them, vegans pay for the same convenience.
I was vegetarian for 5 years and never found meat to stink while it was being cooked.
Actually, whether vegetarian or not I find/found the aroma of meat being barbecued to be highly desirous.
I just ate some pasture raised pork belly (with apple sauce, I know you like that bit) and I loved it. I feel calm, satisfied and sustained for the afternoon... I feel like I am deserving of the honour to eat something that gave its life for my benefit, how humbling a feeling. But above all, I don’t feel like picking a fight about articles I choose to read on the internet.... it may be because I’m properly nourished? I guess you’d have to try it out for yourself to see!!
Trajectories don't run without $$$.
Currently trending...
Go vegan
Get on the Wi-Fi
Lower your testosterone by any means necessary
etc.
Go figger.
Ah, so you are back. I'm so happy. I thought you might miss what I wrote about you.
Kind regards as always,
LG
Of course I am. So are you. For everybody in the world, all the rest of the world is insane. You are no exception. I hope your piles do not trouble you too much, and that your farts are not too offensive to others, as Niall's are.
Wherever you are in the world, (at least that's what one assumes,) may the weather today agree with you.
Best wishes, LG.
There would be only 10 (from people in agreeance) if everyone could read, understand and assimilate all the information out there that points to the simple facts that we humans are hunter gathers and always have been. And true, sometimes that would mean being a vegan- but only sometimes. Our ancestors used their instincts much more than we do and instinct told them to catch and eat animals because the scant nutrition on their forced vegan diet wasn’t enough to sustain life.
who could have ever imagined "fluffy" would be so hot!
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Clearly, the Go Vegan! push by corporate big food outlets has emboldened these nut-rissole-jobs to launch a full on offensive.
Pea-brained useful idiots in 4D through 3D war games.
What did you say on America the greatest!? lol...maybe you didn't hold your mouth right? Time to tape up that cam like Zuckerberg does his.
I actually find it confirmatory, in an analogous way, to just like most people 'vote with their wallets'; to wit: SOTTites comment with their stomachs.*
In which case, we be more likely than normal*, to be hedonists who do not buy into the 'suffer through this life' for the better that waits for you - as some other human, (controlling or following) type would have us do or be.
Me, I find myself quoting RP Warren's All The King's Men for the second time in a day, and a year? - and though I hope otherwise, it certainly provides a good coda to the above: R.C.
*To a greater degree than one's average bear.
** Id.
*** In his last interview, Hunter S. Thompson characterized ATKM as one of the "Best American Novels." It's free for download: [Link] Read it, if ye haven't.
RC
A lot of similarities now that i see between this sight, and how Alex Jones's site is run...
Niall is a male given name of Irish origin, thought to mean "champion" (derived from the Old Irish word niadh meaning warrior or champion).[1] It could also mean "cloud", "passionate" or "avid
...passionate as in Irish temper?
did Niall and Lemuel lock horns?
I'm all for a bit of quality control. A garden requires management.
"You will never get an answer from niall Hitler he has to much control now."
Dzzzz.
I'm in Vegas...so...GO, GOLDEN KNIGHTS, GO!!!
If you pay attention, you can feel a lot of other things besides.
I see the vegans have gone back into sleeper mode. The whole business must have been very tiring for them.
"I note many posters alluding to a time (well before me since I've only been on computer since fall 2015) when they felt that SOTT presented more impartial or even-handed treatment on subjects."
No. They've always been pretty even-handed.
they're eating people!!"
"yeah, well it has a nutty taste that goes good with my seaweed patties!"
I wonder why?
The best way to save the planet? Drop meat and dairy - George Monbiot [Link]
PS: Just a bit exuberant, missed this before and now I'm glad to read it as it with comments and all ... well, skipped some of the more mind-melting ones, obviously.....