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During his line of questioning, Rep. Chris Stewart (R-UT) noted that Vindman's concerns of the July 25 phone call between President Trump and Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky were based on "moral, ethical, and policy differences" rather than legal concerns.See also:
"So your concerns regarding this phone call were not legal. They were based on moral, ethical, and policy differences. ... To use your word. You said this was wrong. Not illegal, but wrong," he said, asking Vindman if he considered Biden's actions "wrong" as well.
"There are dozens of corrupt nations in the world. Hundreds of corrupt government officials. Exactly one time did a vice president go to a nation and demand the specific firing of one individual and give a six-hour time limit and withhold or threaten to withhold a billion dollars in aid if not," Stewart said, referencing the video of Biden bragging about his threat during an appearance at the Council on Foreign Relations last year.
"It was the one individual who was investigating a company who was paying his son. So I'll ask you, was that also wrong?" Stewart asked.
"I frankly don't have any firsthand knowledge of that," Vindman began.
"Did you not see the video?" Stewart asked.
"I've seen the video," Vindman admitted.
"That's all I've described is the video. Everything I just said to you is in the video. Was that wrong as well?" Stewart asked again.
"Congressman, this is something I actually participated in," Vindman began, with Stewart adding, "Well I think the American people can make a judgment."
"The time of the gentleman has expired," Chairman Adam Schiff (D-CA) said, giving Vindman an option to answer the question.
Once again, Vindman refused to describe Biden's action as "wrong."
"I frankly don't know any — that much more about that particular incident," he said. "I saw the snippet of the video, but I don't know if I could make a judgment off of that."

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