According to Unilad, for some reason, more and more people (and more specifically millennials) seem to be buying into the theory that the earth is a disc rather than a globe, and the group who subscribes to it seems to be growing. There is even a Flat Earth Society whose membership continues to grow.
On the Flat Earth Society's website, they have a library section, which is described as:
This online library contains a growing selection of Flat Earth resources. We have interviews, newspaper and magazine articles as well as the largest collection of Flat Earth Society newsletters in the world (online or otherwise!). The Flat Earth Society Library also includes hard-to-find writings from members of the 19th and early-20th Century Flat Earth movement and Universal Zetetic Society. -The Flat Earth Society libraryAccording to a YouGov poll of 8215 US adults, millennials are the ones to blame for the explosion of the flat earth movement. They found that only 66 percent of 18 to 24-year-olds believe the Earth is round. Flat-earthers find traction in their beliefs among a younger generation of Americans. Young millennials, ages 18 to 24, are likelier than any other age group to say they believe the Earth is flat (4%).
Data from the YouGov Profiles suggests there is a religious link to the belief that the Earth is flat.
For some flat-earthers, evidence of the earth's shape may be found in scripture. More than half of Flat-earthers (52%) consider themselves "very religious," compared to just a fifth of all Americans (20%).
Also interestingly, Republicans were more likely to believe that the world has a spherical shape, with 89 percent. Democrats were slightly more skeptical at 83 percent. But don't worry. Flat-earthers say there's no way you can fall off the flat earth because we are actually in a snowglobe, according to Connor Murphy.
The one thing not one single flat-earther has been able to logically articulate is why all of the planets, stars, and the moons of all of those planets are globes, but the earth stands alone as being the only disc in the universe.
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*Bowel. (With your hands.)
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"DING, DONG, DING, DONG"
The morning breeze wafts, spiced with the sound of crickets. This place invokes nostalgia. Shouts can be heard in the distance...
What are they saying?
"The Earth is flat."
Twilight is approaching.
DING DONG
Why stop believing in the "theory of gravity" just because the Earth mass is not a sphere - there's not a single connection between a sphere shape and gravity
You can't fall off the edge because of gravity ... same reason you do not drop off the surface when you are standing upside down in Australia
I've not seen any evidence that luminaries in the sky are either spherical or their claimed distances away
Well, without a complex and well thought out answer to that question, it would be impossible for folks to accept the globular theory. That's where gravity comes in. Basically, some scientist (let's just call ours Dr. horseshit for the sake of example) explained the following to folks: "Hello you poor ignorant peons, we scientists are your betters so we'll explain how the universe works. When Isaac Newton saw an apple fall from a tree, he used math that none of you could possibly understand with your mediocre brains to conclude that once a ball gets too large to ever be used in an experiment or any type of demonstration, it develops a super strong tractor beam like force that pulls everything around it toward its center and we geniuses from Better Than You University refer to that force as gravity. Are there any questions?" At which point someone, (we'll just call him Jimmy) likely asked "Dr. horseshit? How's a can gravity be so's a strong that it holds all dem billions of tons of ocean upside down but can't keep no butterfly stuck to da ground and how's a come my daughter's Elsa balloon snuck around da gravity tractor and done floated away?" Of course Dr. horseshit replied "shut up Jimmy, you're drunk and stupid. Why don't you get back on your meds, move out of your mother's basement and stop spreading such wild and ridiculous theories." Everyone laughed at Jimmy and later he was stoned to death by a mob of dimwitted liberals. Does that help?
We are not going to be allowed anywhere near the edge, beyond the ice wall, but the joke about where's the edge is wearing a bit thin, especially when the question comes from people who live upside down
Apparently the world record for the standing vertical jump was not broken during the last eclipse
As you have alluded to, "FE" has two main understandings - a) There is an absence of curvature and b) There is an absence of motion
There is absolutely no onus on us to address questions which science has been theorising about for centuries
Does the author claim to have proof that all the stars (all billion-billion of them) are all spherical
Now you could argue that the earth was created as a disc by some event, some great flat-earth event, but I would suggest that over billions of years gravity would take over and pull everything to the center of gravity (somewhere originally beneath the initial disc). This would eventually result in a sphere. There is no model for gravity (of which I am aware) that would support disc-shaped object formation.
This is not a proof that the earth is round, just an argument that says it is much more likely to be round than flat based on how gravity works.
Note: Gravity is such a perfect organizer of matter into spherical objects that the earth is comparatively more smooth (+/- surface elevation) than the smoothest ball bearing man can produce.
One of the first victims of FE thinking is the "theory of gravity" - it has to be such a magical force to be the answer to every question
As such, whether gravity implies that all planets would end up as spheres is a bit of a mute point
:-D
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COME AT ME
But what if I were to tell you.. That the center of gravity having the most (practically all) effect on all Terrans was the center of the sphere/globe? And that we are so tiny compared to it that it may not be visually apparent at first glance? Imagine a circle.. And draw a line from its center to where "you" are at. Picture that the line followed you wherever you went. Then zoom in on the circle, on and on and on.. Eventually, what you'll have is, for all intents and purposes, a straight line.
I think that you'll either understand this or you won't. At least I fully grokked your viewpoint.
[Link]
I don't believe that Iraq had WMDs
I don't believe 9/11 was perpetrated by men living in caves
I don't believe a magic bullet killed JFK
I see sufficient evidence to question what we are told and shown,, including the globe Earth
Operation Highjump - 1946–1947
Creation of NASA - 1958
Antarctic treaty - 1959
Operation Gold Fish Bowl - 1962
The Space Program / Moon missions - 1963-Current (e.g IIS)
I fail to see the madness/stupidity in asking whether there are dots connecting the above mentioned events
Using certified CIA documents throughout, This video begins with the USSR where in 1948 they are having great difficulty measuring the shape of the Earth.
Hmmmm. According to further CIA documents by 1957 the USSR had given up and are instead trying to measure the firmament.
And it continues with the USA where the military and NASA are testing various aircraft and are testing them on the condition of assuming a flat non rotating Earth in all of their scientific papers.
And it keeps going to the point where in 2008 the US Army Research Laboratory decide once and for all that the Earth is indeed flat.
Hmmmmm.... So there is no evidence, apparently, and these millennials are waking up to the bullshit pattern played on their forebears. No wonder they think we're friggin idiots.
Here is the link to the video [Link] if you're interested.
Here is the link to the first document on the official CIA website [Link]
There are over a dozen links to the documents discussed in the video all backing up the claims made on the video that the US military and Russia both consider the Earth as a non-rotating flat stationary Earth.
Moon Landing, 50th Anniversary of the Biggest Lie Ever Told?
GTFOH Show with Comedian Matt Billon takes an in-depth look into the Moon Landing. Watch and laugh at just how ridiculous the thought of man going to the moon in the 60's.actually is. Could man...As a child of the MIC (one parent worked for... say "lockheed'; the other for,. say, "United Aircraft"...) and almost certainly the SOTTite who's seen the most rocket launches > 55% of every launch since 1965, I gotta use a point about this that is usually used as a canard, ("there would be too many people who would know") probably doesn't apply to the moon launch hoax theory nor the truth of 9/11, etc.
But if you've ever been on a westbound Jet and watched how very long it takes the sun to set, etc., that's but one thing that couldn't happen if the truth was the earth was flat. Think of all the folks who would have to be in on the secret: pilots, boat captains, stewards/attendants, ground crews, sub crews etc. That is just too many!
My Mum was the highest ranking lady engineer on the shuttle. She has confirmed some of the lies to me, (long ago) but I'll not mention any while she's here; so I hope I'll never get to mention/remember such things.
I do believe this whole 'flat earth' thing is brought to us "by the acknowledged makers of the phrase, "Conspiracy Theory."
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Also, why would gravity be basically constant. as one got towards the edge of the disk, they'd be pulled towards the center of the earth and be angling sideways out at the edges!
Etc. etc.
Followers of the FE: I grant you your open minds on this, but please grant me mine.
Hope: That despite the red bell, I will feel no need to post again here.
FOLKS, PLEASE TRY to be open minded and polite? No name calling, ad hominems, no false authority etc. (Research flaws of logic.)
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A sphere has a consistent geometry, given a specific radius the precise shape / curve of the circumference is fixed
If that precise curve does not exist then the conclusion is that we do not live on a sphere of the radius that we are told (6371 km)
There is no need to come up with a perfect alternative model, there is no need to discuss gravity etc. etc. - none of those arguments are going to overcome a lack of curvature ...
If the curvature does not exist then it does not exist - and if that is the case Earth cannot be a sphere of the dimension that they tell us
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If you really want to find out more then question what you are told - hunt for proof that you live on a globe - not that the Earth is flat - and I mean proof, not models which offer the best explanation for e.g. sunrises / sunsets
I recommend listening to Brian Mullin take on flying around the Earth - [Link] (This looks like a copy of a copy of video)
Listen to Crrow777 and MartyLeeds33 .. or better still here's the two of them together - [Link]
B ack to those models based on a stationary atmosphere over a flat and non-rotating body
Is the Earth is so big that it's 1 666 km / hour rotation and curvature are not worth including in scientific calculations?
What if the same models / calculations are extended for exploring the planets - (that's what NASA is meant to be doing)
Jupiter has a rotation speed of 43,292 km / hour ... still not a factor?
The moon has a radius of only 1737 km vs 6371 for Earth, so the curve is far more intense ... gravity is 1/6th of Earth's
Can we fly (in a perfect curve, whilst flying "level) around any planet, regardless of the size, speed and gravity? .. that is what we are meant to believe
I think the main issue / contention is that we only need to question whether the curve exists or not ...
Anything else probably has its origins in psyops ... who drives the narrative for titles such as the above "we are doomed", who propagates the silly images they use to mock questioning "where's the curve"
How about if I said I am not catholic because I do not believe the virgin Mary existed ... would you accept that is a reasonable viewpoint for me to hold, or would you insist that I prove a different religion can account for all the biblical events .... I might not even have a religion,
I just don't believe some virgin gave birth after being impregnated by an Angel ... and likewise I just don't believe the curve exists
I think Dave McGowan covered your points quite excellently and hilariously at his 2012 'Look at the New Year or such. " [Link] READ IT!
I was raised by spiritual agnostics (my father maintained he was an atheist and we routinely had polite debates where I told him that to be 'convinced that there IS NO god, is little different than to be convinced that a God exists. Hence, despite his claims to atheism, he was a spiritual, nature-worshipping agnostic.
Likewise, nor did I know, surfing that entire preceding summer in Southern California surfing with my wonderful California Girlfriend (last name something like/equivalent to "Hernandez" had hispanic blood until after we'd been dating a month!
(Our surf crew - who were extolling her virtues (rare: a hot girl who's really nice, ya know?) how did I get so f'g lucky, etc. One said she was the most beautiful mexican girl he'd ever seen.
I said, She's mexican? (Her qualities hair eyes skin body were discussed in the reticent way that Florida boys speak of such things. (E.g., "I got lucky last night" is the highest level of detail anyone around here EVER says.)
They thought I was joking, but I wasn't. So all of our eyes were opened when they said, "Her name's HERNANDEZ."
RC...So??.
Them: That makes her spanish/mexican.
RC Are you saying that Luis Hernandez that we all grew up, with was hispanic mexican????
Them: OF course!
RC: Hm. I did not know that.
(Perhaps a portioin of this was the fact that at my hig school, you were white or black, and a real race war was going on.)
Here's my life's 'religious' experiences: I was a smart kid, but I didn't know that there was a difference between catholics, protestants and jews until I learned from more erudite and eloquent friends in Gainesville (UF) when I was 19, in Fall of 1978 as a Jr. at U.F.
Similarly, our family NEVER went to church.(My Father got COMPLETELY disgusted with the Old Testament Focus of the Southern Baptst Church he had to go to in SC in the 1930s. He swore his kids were never going to suffer through such painful propaganda, and we didn't.
(Except one summer when I was either 11 or 12, we attended 4 - 5 services over period of 6-7 weeks at the most open-minded 'church' in Cocoa: The Unitarian Universalist. (Like Emerson, Thoreau, et al.) There, I learned about Hinduism, Mohammedism, (as it was called then), Buddhism, Taoism, American Indian spiritual beliefs. They never got around to Christianity, and I never attended a church again except for weddings and funerals. (I think it was one of my sisters' pitches to both my Mum and father, I dunno); whaatever.
Gotta go.
R.C.
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Jeffrey Epstein, the millionaire financier and accused sex trafficker, is dead by suicide, according to three officials familiar with the matter. The officials told NBC News he was found at 7:30...SOTTites: go there; watch it!
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P.s., Re above: it's all 'no worries' as far as I'm concerned, though the length gets up there. (I've gotta get the autobio done and over for at least I grew up aware how lucky our family was and is, and so far ahead of the times about the important things. (E.g., I remember when cold war ended (berlin wall, etc. Right around then was also the FIRST time I ever saw black kids playing with white kids; it gave me goosebumps. I remember looking for the next 'surprising and good event,' as 'things come in threes' - such as the shutdown of the War on Drugs. BUT #3 never happened.
(A childhood contrast: We moved here from Cal. in 1/65; but my father was born in SC at hone, the only white sharecroppers around. We went to SC around 5/65 (I was six) and asked my father at a bus station (we were picking up some relative), why were the water fountains mislabeled? One said White, one said colored, and they were both painted drab olive green. He explained it.
When full-on busing started, we got the bad brunt of a black pack attacks race war from 7th to 12th grade. In PE, we played this no rules game called 'Gator Ball' which was a combination of football and soccer, with no boundaries and no fouls. As the school was48% black, the games were almost always black v. white, and DANGEROUS. Although I didn't need it, in 12th grade I even took PE - just so I could deliver some 'payback' now that I'd gotten HUGE - 5'6" and 140 lbs. but boy that place made you tough. (At 10 year reunion, 3 black guys on death row; one already put down.) Sad place - those kids were born so mom could get free money, not for love. sad.
RC
Then it struck me that there is a parallel with religions and one's right to choose not believe whichever religion is dominant in one's upbringing or culture
Imagine there is this religion where the leaders tell their followers that apostates worship a "devil". The leaders should not be questioned, with their imposing buildings and wizard outfits, they are obviously far more knowledgeable than their followers
Sermons are delivered, portraying more and more absurd images of that devil. Jokes are made about how it would be impossible to live in an underworld full of fire and brimstone, "how would one take communion when the bread would be burnt to the cinder?" they ask. The apostates must be mocked !
The truth of the matter is the apostate just doesn't buy that specific religion ... nothing more
The McGowan extract reminded me of this video - CAESAR'S MESSIAH: The Roman Conspiracy to Invent Jesus - [Link]
it's 90 minutes long but I found it very interesting, the proposition is that the Flavian Caesars invented Jesus - Roman propaganda to control the Jews, effectively getting them to worship Caeser, in the guise of Jesus (a bit more than just a Roman asset)
I'm a bit of Northern European mongrel (free of any English or French blood, thank God!) and was brought up in a typical non-believing Church of England family. Everyone was
brandedbaptised and never agnostic enough to be apostate. My father thought that religion was necessary because society needs "fabric" to keep it together. In the UK "Religious Education" (RE), as it was called in my day, was the one mandatory thing taught it schools - it was only "Christian" RE that was taught and it was mainly the old testament. Jesus was obviously a white guy from a white family, who just happened to live in the middle east. In history they taught us about the glorious crusades, because the land of Jesus needed a white king. They never actually mentioned the blood baths or the insanity of it allMy maternal grandfather and siblings got asylum from somewhere around in East Germany / Czechoslovakia border at the end of the 30's (please excuse the use of two now defunct countries). It's possible that that part of family were Jewish, probably not practicing, and decided it best never to mention it again!
For myself, I ran into a Guru and Krishna in my early 20's - my saints are Kabir and Meerabai and I think Yahweh was an nasty little local alien (Moses face glowed and the ark was lined with lead due to radiation - "they must not touch the holy things, or they will die")
As Robert Anton Wilson urges - we should break out of the reality tunnels that we are brought up in
I wish I could speak another language. You certainly write perfectly well in English; indeed, I at first thought you were American.
"In the UK "Religious Education" (RE), as it was called in my day, was the one mandatory thing* taught it schools - it was only "Christian" RE that was taught and it was mainly the old testament." (Which I've noted before that wheb I finally read it (at about age 42), and the New Testament, I was shocked at the difference,
I am a jealous god? That could only occur in Polytheism. Kill all the children and animals? Etc.
We SOTT folks are more aware of our tunnels/subjectivity than 95% of folks in general; although I sadly only have a US perspective, but 100 years too late.
Thanks!
R.C.
*Here the only thing mandatory was 'Communism vs. Americanism'; painfully obvious propaganda; even then.
RC
Those formative years, 8 to 11, I spent in the very white South West of England. At one school there were two Pakistani brothers.. life was pretty hard for them. Summer holidays were spend in Denmark, coloured people pretty well didn't exist in Denmark at that time
I was then locked in boarding school for 5 years - 500 kids in the school, 1 of them was black (there were a couple of Asians (from Hong Kong and Malaysia but no Indians)
I remember a conversation in the early seventies ... asking what half-caste meant. My parents knew someone who was likely to end up with non-white baby and the angst that would cause. True racism, i.e. actually believing that there is a difference in peoples IQ and morals purely on skin colour, was inherent and normal
Homosexuality was finally decriminalised in 1967, but of course no one was gay anyway, not even Danny la Rue - [Link] - or Elton John
What a difference then and now, here and there
NRN
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My Mum was 'in charge of the Shuttle's ET (and designed the software for loading and unloading the LH2 and LOX. My big sister & her husband, my brother, my little sister, her hubby all are or were aerospace engineers. My little sister has been working on fighter jet engines, etc. Me, I took the lazy surfer's way out; made money with my B.A. & law wisdom. But I love science!
Where are you again? (Sorry.) I'm where I say.
R.C.
I've always said 'I'm a child of the MIC." (From back when the MIC's existence at least appeared to make sense.)
If I get out west,, I'll let ya know. (I've driven solo across the US 6? 8? times. (One of the last decent things to do in America; except when one gets framed up,,)
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