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I agree Reecus. That was outstanding ls.
(Only made it halfway thru your 2nd comment. My brainwaves dont understand this jazz n jargon, but comment #2 jived 🔥as well )
(Only made it halfway thru your 2nd comment. My brainwaves dont understand this jazz n jargon, but comment #2 jived 🔥as well )
graeme15b
Excellent show!
Some thoughts this talk brought to mind:
Regarding Harrison's explication of Lobacewski's different pathways to pathocracy: These are, for the most part, historical manifestations of society-wide pathocracy enabled by a strong group identity for the psychopath to manipulate. The first two Harrison talked about (spontaneous social movements and foreign countries imposing their ideologies by force), are no longer reliably effective in western societies. The experience of a homogenous social identity that is necessary for these to infect an entire social fabric is much harder to invoke. The most that can be achieved in modern western society through these methods is increasing factionalism. The third pathway Harrison mentioned, psychological warfare or espionage, is still a more effective pathway, but even that is marginally effective now. We are witnessing, in the guise of pursuit of a unified world order, how much of a struggle it is for pathocrats to whip up unifying rhetoric through false flags and fear tactics. Are people that you know quaking in their boots about the prospect of living under Russian or Chinese rule, or are they quietly strategizing how they could take personal financial advantage of changing power dynamics? I'd estimate that it's close to a 75/25 split - 75% that can be manipulated ideologically, and 25% that cannot. That 25% is pretty much of a wet blanket when it comes to whipping up ideological frenzy.
Pathocratic efforts that are much more effective are ones that ostensibly support individual autonomy, but do it in ways that degrade whatever is left of a collective orientation - identity-based political ideology being the prime example. The supposed autonomy of the 'woke' individual to repudiate group identity just causes more vulnerability and confusion, because people are also repudiating any knowledge of what it means to be a healthy social participant. This creates over-dependence on external authority to legislate morality, and this, in turn, plays directly into the hands of the power-seeker. Trump is the current master of ceremonies of this sort of false individuality. He bills himself as the individual's man - modeling the speech and actions of the individual who calls it as he sees it no matter the social consequences. It is no accident that he does it in the most crude, rude, and simplistic way possible. What he is charged with attacking is the prospect of collective agreements. His opposers try to take up the banner of a moral orientation, but only succeed in enabling and ennobling dysfunctionality because they don't have a developmental perspective to go with their fascination with individual autonomy. Even though the cult of power-seeking political psychopath no longer feels that he needs to hijack non-existent homogenous social groups or commandeer dying nation-states in order to advance ideology with impunity, he can find no ideology that commandeers enough loyalty to provide a platform for world domination. He can only increase factionalism, playing sides against one another. The bottom line, and the good news for the rest of us, is that the New World Order is a dying psychopathic fantasy, though it may die hard. We'll see. Even attempts at monolithic control of nation-states is becoming increasingly problematic. Neofeudalism is the destiny that faces us - the double-edged sword of regional monarchies consisting of personality cults, many of which will be controlled by psychopaths. This psychopathy will motivate increased political and economic conflict and human degradation on a much more personal scale than is experienced in today's world of economic and political monoliths. Say goodbye to the benefits of economies of scale, unlimited freedom of movement, and efficiently-run, large-scale, private enterprise. Our children and grandchildren will not experience them. On the other hand, they won't be plagued with rampant consumerism, ecological destruction wrought by unregulated mega-corporations, and the current unsustainable drain on natural resources. It's an ill will that blows nobody good!
Regarding Harrison's explication of Lobacewski's different pathways to pathocracy: These are, for the most part, historical manifestations of society-wide pathocracy enabled by a strong group identity for the psychopath to manipulate. The first two Harrison talked about (spontaneous social movements and foreign countries imposing their ideologies by force), are no longer reliably effective in western societies. The experience of a homogenous social identity that is necessary for these to infect an entire social fabric is much harder to invoke. The most that can be achieved in modern western society through these methods is increasing factionalism. The third pathway Harrison mentioned, psychological warfare or espionage, is still a more effective pathway, but even that is marginally effective now. We are witnessing, in the guise of pursuit of a unified world order, how much of a struggle it is for pathocrats to whip up unifying rhetoric through false flags and fear tactics. Are people that you know quaking in their boots about the prospect of living under Russian or Chinese rule, or are they quietly strategizing how they could take personal financial advantage of changing power dynamics? I'd estimate that it's close to a 75/25 split - 75% that can be manipulated ideologically, and 25% that cannot. That 25% is pretty much of a wet blanket when it comes to whipping up ideological frenzy.
Pathocratic efforts that are much more effective are ones that ostensibly support individual autonomy, but do it in ways that degrade whatever is left of a collective orientation - identity-based political ideology being the prime example. The supposed autonomy of the 'woke' individual to repudiate group identity just causes more vulnerability and confusion, because people are also repudiating any knowledge of what it means to be a healthy social participant. This creates over-dependence on external authority to legislate morality, and this, in turn, plays directly into the hands of the power-seeker. Trump is the current master of ceremonies of this sort of false individuality. He bills himself as the individual's man - modeling the speech and actions of the individual who calls it as he sees it no matter the social consequences. It is no accident that he does it in the most crude, rude, and simplistic way possible. What he is charged with attacking is the prospect of collective agreements. His opposers try to take up the banner of a moral orientation, but only succeed in enabling and ennobling dysfunctionality because they don't have a developmental perspective to go with their fascination with individual autonomy. Even though the cult of power-seeking political psychopath no longer feels that he needs to hijack non-existent homogenous social groups or commandeer dying nation-states in order to advance ideology with impunity, he can find no ideology that commandeers enough loyalty to provide a platform for world domination. He can only increase factionalism, playing sides against one another. The bottom line, and the good news for the rest of us, is that the New World Order is a dying psychopathic fantasy, though it may die hard. We'll see. Even attempts at monolithic control of nation-states is becoming increasingly problematic. Neofeudalism is the destiny that faces us - the double-edged sword of regional monarchies consisting of personality cults, many of which will be controlled by psychopaths. This psychopathy will motivate increased political and economic conflict and human degradation on a much more personal scale than is experienced in today's world of economic and political monoliths. Say goodbye to the benefits of economies of scale, unlimited freedom of movement, and efficiently-run, large-scale, private enterprise. Our children and grandchildren will not experience them. On the other hand, they won't be plagued with rampant consumerism, ecological destruction wrought by unregulated mega-corporations, and the current unsustainable drain on natural resources. It's an ill will that blows nobody good!
lsjarvi Well said. They seem to be playing on the humanitarian angle, i.e, equality, inclusivity, open borders, climate emergency, veganism and all that jazz. Anyone who rejects this is racist, mysogynistic, bigoted, homophobes, climate change deniers etc. The descent further into hedonism, pleasure seeking, and self serving base level wokeness seems to be the current route this phenomena is going, well at least in "the west". This is a tad more dangerous in some regards, as it sort of lacks an ideology as such, and locks one into the most basic body functions. Service to self at the most basic form, devoid of consciousness, or devouring of consciousness, where applicable. (I feel, so it is true,....subjective relativism). I would say that the pathocrats have had a direct link into peoples brains, and minds (where applicable) for a long time now. So, in some regards, the danger is a lot closer to home. "Programming complete".
The schizoid, the paranoid, and various other characteropaths usually "deform" the original ideology, movement etc, before the psychopaths move in and take over.
The schizoid, the paranoid, and various other characteropaths usually "deform" the original ideology, movement etc, before the psychopaths move in and take over.
lsjarvi Once again an excellent analysis.
It seems like government is the source of the problem, time after time.
Large corrupt NWO styles (e.g. EU/Brussels) or small scale dictators (e.g. Idi Amin/Uganda) can have a disastrous effect on the population.
We the people need to accept responsibility and start behaving in a manner that does not permit this centralization of power in the hands of the corrupt and the immoral.
It's going to take a while to rectify but our children need a better education & a better example from us.
It seems like government is the source of the problem, time after time.
Large corrupt NWO styles (e.g. EU/Brussels) or small scale dictators (e.g. Idi Amin/Uganda) can have a disastrous effect on the population.
We the people need to accept responsibility and start behaving in a manner that does not permit this centralization of power in the hands of the corrupt and the immoral.
It's going to take a while to rectify but our children need a better education & a better example from us.
Reecus We are creatures negotiating a world of deception and lies, and the more publicly we acknowledge this, the more that can be learned from it. I often think of the fact that I was born in 1953 - in the post-war capitalist heyday when political corruption was mostly hidden from view, and the economy supported families on one income. I grew up in a nice 3-bedroom ranch-style house that my parents bought for $16,500. My dad supported us on a mill-worker's income. My mom went to work part-time when I was about 10, and they socked away that money. As I remember, each of my college classes cost $65, and my most expensive textbook (which I left on the top of my car and had to replace - ouch!) cost $25. My lifetime has witnessed the emergence of horrific corruption and wage-slavery, and these things have become accepted practice.
We are charged with the survival of ourselves and our communities during the breakdown. Our children and grandchildren will build the new.
We are charged with the survival of ourselves and our communities during the breakdown. Our children and grandchildren will build the new.
The schizoid, the paranoid, and various other characteropaths usually "deform" the original ideology, movement etc, before the psychopaths move in and take over.Right. That is an important point. This isn't a one-man show! We all contribute whether it's by commission or omission. The only true innocents are the children.
lsjarvi Yea. Regarding the various abnormal people, there is something that can be done. Not likely at present, but the possibility is there. Adrian Raine, Stanton Samenow and James Fallon deal with this in their worth reading books.
Confusion results if symptoms are misunderstood to be causes. Ideologies are not causes, they are effects. Imbalance and unmet needs create the environment in which ideals can become articulated as ideologies by psychopaths, and as a result, people become radicalized (appropriated for purposes of power.)