Glaziev is an advisor to President Putin and a close friend. I personally believe that the western media is either wrong or deliberately lying when then say that Dugin is Putin's ideological mentor. I am not sure that Putin has - or needs - any kind of mentor, but over the years I have found that Glaziev seems to say out loud what Putin does not, but seems to be acting on.
Glaziev, who was born in the Ukraine and who is an economic himself, has a superb understanding of the behind-the-scenes power plays in the Ukraine and in Russia. This man really *knows* what is going on. Furthermore, he is one of the leading "Eurasian Sovereignists" and he is therefore absolutely hated by the pro-US circles in Russia. He is equally hated in the USA who put him on their recent sanctions list for no other reason then the fact that they don't like what he has to say.
I urge everybody to listen to this 15min interview which is one of the most interesting ones I have ever had the pleasure to post here.
Enjoy!
The Saker
(please turn on the subtitles by pressing on the 'cc' button)
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Glazyev makes Dr. Zbig look like a high school bully. He's spot on on practically everything. BUT there are some important details. The US won't be able to conquer Central Asia: China is way ahead. And this is not about conventional war - but economic war. Washington's number one objective is to prevent ECONOMIC integration of Eurasia leaving the US as an outsider. Thus the three-pronged "strategy" of "pivoting to Asia" (containment of China); Ukraine (containment of Russia); and beefing up NATO (subjugation of Europe).
That was a great interview with inside perspective, that appeared to be honest and frank. Imposed sanctions are indeed a form of economic war, aimed at destabilizing various Eurasian regions. The end result of which, obviously lead to war as history has shown.
nice concise factual statements of the economic and historical cycles, but as usual, the long term cycles of nature are being ignored. Their attempt to resist the American led drive to global jihad is fine, but Mother Nature is one cycle they cannot resist. It seems their dreams of a NWO are in stark contrast to the usual Western imperial solution, but still dreams and as many peoples have discovered to their disadvantage and misfortune, it's best to remember who, what and where you are.... PURGATORY. Deal with that truth or it will deal with you... in the usual way, with a nightmare that never ends until you do.
Otherwise, nice interview.
The words they say in Moscow to the West mean nothing. And the inrerview is a good example of that.
"That’s how it was in the ‘30s, when the Great Depressiion gave way to an arms race, and then to the Second World War" - Mr. Glazyev forgot that the one who started that arms race was Russia.
The global crisis began in 1929. And in 1930 Russia starts its program of total militarization of the economy when the West was in a deep crisis and made absolutely no real threat for Rusians.
The general idea of the five-years plans (pyatiletka) was that Russia is to get able to fight against all Capitalist world simultaneousely and to win.
If you compare the figures of military production of various countries in the 30s you'll find out that the whole period Russia was the absolute leader in the arms race. As a resut by the beginning of the Second World War Russians had much more tanks and combat aircraft than all the countries of the world combined.
Earlier, in 1935 when Hitler got his very first light tanks, Russians will already show their own blitzkrieg to the Western military representatives during "Kiev Big Maneuvres" with thousand attacking tanks and massive parachute landing.
And I would like to remind Mr Glazyev that Russia entered the Second World War 17 September 1939 as Hitler's ally in the war against Poland. Further to the secret pact with him in August Russains will sign a "Treaty of friendship and border" with Hitler on September 28 . And in November, when the Wehrmacht will rest, they will begin the invasion of Finland. In 1940 they annexed Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania under the threat of a force and then they forced the Romanians to give them Bessarabia and Bukovina. Only after that Hitler would give the order to develop Barbarossa plan. Before that I see no sign that he thought of a war with Russia.
When Hitler attacked Russia in 1941, he had no idea that this country is fully optimized for a total war. And that Russia fanatically prepared for such a war the whole previous decade.
And all that time it was a constant Moscow refrain of the "Western threat for Russia". I heard it in 1968 (I lived in a Soviet harrison in East Germany then) when Russian tanks rolled into Czechoslovakia - "If we're late - it would be NATO there in three days". The same refrain of Western threat was in 1980 in Afghanistan. In March 2014 they captured Crymea "to prevent appearance of NATO bases" there. Now they fight in Eastert Ukraine for "not having NATO bases there".
And when Mr.Glazyev tells of America's bad role in Europe - and that "... President Putin has been consistently putting forward, we were able to develop a mutual program for development a general development zone with a preferential trade regime from Lisbon to Vladivostok" - you can can have no doubts.
That means not only "preferential trade regime" - it means Russia from Vladivostok to Lisbon and Putin regime for that area. "Great Russia that everyone respects and fears".
So what is that interview about? I think it is about Russia's need in Western technologies and Western investments to build an updated military superpower.
Look at the Russian budget figures on listening to Mr. Glazyev. A state sector in Russia is more than 50%. And the defence budget is to grow from 18% (!) in 2014 to 21% in 2017. But you must add to the figure the Russian "state security". It is as big as 14% in the 2014. I think all "special operations" like nowadays in Eastern Ukraine have financing from there. So 32% of the Russian budget 2014 for the defence and "security" in the country where state sector dominates. It lools like a war budget - isn't it?
The budget costs for Russian economy will decrease from 16% to 12% within the period. The same is a trend of the budget on health and education. Guns instead of butter
Putin is playing this game of chess 'old school' and allowing us to shoot ourselves in the feet and poop in our pants until no one wants to play with us. The BRICS and others can see the writing on the wall, only they don't seem to see that Big Momma is coming in to do her cyclical spring cleaning.... someone has to clean up all those poopy pants... and like it or not, the stench just can't be ignored and everyone in the sandbox will suffer from direct or indirect participation... such as silence, which is far from golden. The West doesn't want to stop pooping in its pants, nor in everyone's else's pants and will continue to do so until forced to stop. That is just the way it is... this usual means war... if Russia thinks they can avoid it.... Good luck, as no one else ever has.... but as they always say on Wall Street, 'this time it's different'... yea, right... they say that everytime.
No, that was Germany I believe, with Wall Street money.
"The global crisis began in 1929. And in 1930 Russia starts its program of total militarization of the economy when the West was in a deep crisis and made absolutely no real threat for Rusians."
What are you suggesting, that WW2 was Russia's fault? (Ha, this is interesting! We're retrospectively calling the 'USSR' Russia...)
"The general idea of the five-years plans (pyatiletka) was that Russia is to get able to fight against all Capitalist world simultaneousely and to win."
Whatever evils you ascribe to 1930s USSR, you should probably know that the 5-year plans were also a Wall Street affair:
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"And I would like to remind Mr Glazyev that Russia entered the Second World War 17 September 1939 as Hitler's ally in the war against Poland. Further to the secret pact with him in August Russains will sign a "Treaty of friendship and border" with Hitler on September 28 . And in November, when the Wehrmacht will rest, they will begin the invasion of Finland. In 1940 they annexed Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania under the threat of a force and then they forced the Romanians to give them Bessarabia and Bukovina. Only after that Hitler would give the order to develop Barbarossa plan. Before that I see no sign that he thought of a war with Russia."
Interesting revision of history! So you're saying that Hitler tried to stop evil Russia - I mean, USSR - from taking over the world?
"When Hitler attacked Russia in 1941, he had no idea that this country is fully optimized for a total war. And that Russia fanatically prepared for such a war the whole previous decade."
Oleg, the whole of eastern Russia was destroyed by Germany. 20+ million people were slaughtered. The only way 'Russia' survived was to shift its entire industrial base west of the Urals (and the surviving population) and rebuild an army from scratch.
"And all that time it was a constant Moscow refrain of the "Western threat for Russia"."
There IS a constant Western threat for Russia; and there has been for centuries.
"I heard it in 1968 (I lived in a Soviet harrison in East Germany then) when Russian tanks rolled into Czechoslovakia - "If we're late - it would be NATO there in three days". The same refrain of Western threat was in 1980 in Afghanistan. In March 2014 they captured Crymea "to prevent appearance of NATO bases" there. Now they fight in Eastert Ukraine for "not having NATO bases there"."
You should listen to Zbigniew Brzezinski boasting about how he goaded 'Russia' into war in Afghanistan: [Link]
As for NATO bases in eastern Europe and encircling Russia... I don't need to remind you that that is precisely what has happened, do I?!
"And when Mr.Glazyev tells of America's bad role in Europe - and that "... President Putin has been consistently putting forward, we were able to develop a mutual program for development a general development zone with a preferential trade regime from Lisbon to Vladivostok" - you can can have no doubts.
That means not only "preferential trade regime" - it means Russia from Vladivostok to Lisbon and Putin regime for that area. "Great Russia that everyone respects and fears"."
I think - going by Putin's track record - that when he says his vision is a Eurasian space that is economically fair and humanitarian, he is not just saying that in order to covertly bring about a global gulag. We already have that, remember? Near-universal debt slavery to Wall Street is here, now. Americans think torturing human beings is ok. Democracy is whatever the West says it is. Whatever about a hell that may come, we are in a hell NOW.
"So what is that interview about? I think it is about Russia's need in Western technologies and Western investments to build an updated military superpower."
I think it's about Russia being at the cutting-edge of innovative ideas and technologies, but realizing the urgency of the crossroads we find ourselves at: that either the bulk of the world's population and resources come together cooperatively... or the planet implodes under the weight of US-led greed.
"Look at the Russian budget figures on listening to Mr. Glazyev. A state sector in Russia is more than 50%. And the defence budget is to grow from 18% (!) in 2014 to 21% in 2017. But you must add to the figure the Russian "state security". It is as big as 14% in the 2014. I think all "special operations" like nowadays in Eastern Ukraine have financing from there. So 32% of the Russian budget 2014 for the defence and "security" in the country where state sector dominates. It lools like a war budget - isn't it?"
Sort of. It is a war budget, but a DEFENSIVE war budget. 'Russia' has been under constant attack since its foundation 1,000 years ago. You won't ever see Su-27s dropping 'democracy' from the air over Somalia...
"The budget costs for Russian economy will decrease from 16% to 12% within the period. The same is a trend of the budget on health and education. Guns instead of butter"
Yeh, looks like Russia's going to need it.
I know which way Lenin came to Russia in 1917. They ones who arranged the trip played solid role in the story that time but I do not believe they played the first violin from then on. Russian bolshevism was not a product that was imported to Russia. Nikolai Berdyaev in his "Origin of Russian Communism" dug up the native Russian roots of Bolshevism. They were not obvious initially but in the 30s the roots were getting more and more clear - until Russia came out to the scene as a Red Russian empire. The Moscow Empire - if to remember the features of the Ivan the Terrible Muscovy that became reality of the XX century again. The role of ones who sent Lenin was so pure by the time that in 1939 Hitler found our that he can make big friends with Stalin.
As to the nazis in Ukriane - the only thing I can say about that is to remind Bulgakov's advise - do not read Moscow newspapers on an empty stomach. I live in Kiev and I can prove you that you can find hundred times more nazis in Moscow than in Ukraine at the moment.
By the by - do you see a fundamental difference between bolshevism and nazism? As for me - it is only in small details. Beyond the fact that bolshevism safely survived
Glazyev is a clever man. He talks in a way to appeal to the majority and not the history buffs(they have to read between the lines).
USSR, brought to Russia by the West, destroyed Russia, totally destroyed it.
So to compare USSR with Russia today is like comparing apples and oranges.
Is it true they banned Russian TV there?
That would be a very Soviet thing to do.
" …Russia and Ukriane are the victims of this war, which is being fomented by the Americans"
It worths to listen to another Moscow official of another time. - Right after Russian invasion to Finland finished and the Winter war 1939-40 ended.
The Supreme Soviet of the USSR. 29 March 1940
On the government's foreign policy.
REPORT OF V.M. Molotov
".... Turning to the Finnish question ...
It is easy to see that the war in Finland was not just facing the Finnish troops. No, here the situation was more complicated. There was a collision of our troops not only with the Finnish troops, and with the combined forces of the imperialists in several countries, including the British, French and other ...
To this we must add that in the fierce howling enemies of the Soviet Union all the time allocated shrill voices of all these prostituted "socialists" of II International (laughter in the hall) ...-- lackeys of capital, completely sold themselves to the warmongers ... Military aid to Finland also went from so loyal to "peacefulness" United States of America. (General laughter.)"
Remember that saying from someone in the Cheney/Bush Jr White House about how you are kept busy with distorted history of the past as they are forever creating new history that will never give you time to catch up. See the pattern? No? Then stay and repeat it till you do. Enjoy the frustration as you do. Addiction is like that... frustratingly simple but extremely effective on most sheep.
for me anyway, is at the end:
"Most importantly, we need to stop external dependencies. Unfortunately, the Russian financial system today is heaivly dependent on foreign capital. Not so much foreign by the fact, but by the form. We, having an open economy, initially relied on foreign investment. We ended up with our investors having gone abroad. Practically, we lose $100 billion in non-taxable dollars each year to offshore zones.
We only receive back a small part of the money that flows from Russia under the guise of foreign investment. WE NEED TO CREATE OUR SOVERIGN FINANCIAL AND MONETARY SYSTEM, WHICH WOULD ALLOW US TO RELY ON OUR OWN STRENGTH and provide as many resources for the economy as necessary for economic growth. We need to stop the outflow of capital and strengthen banking and currency control in order to stop this crazy off-shoring of our economy.
We need to restore our capacity for strategic thinking and long-term programs, and, most importantly, raise a new technological system This requires special measures to stimulate innovation and investment in the new economic structure.
The most important thing is to create a financial system of economic growth, of which I spoke earlier. seek abroad and often mortgaga their properties for. The foreign banks then review the loan terms, which, at each turn of the crisis, bring us under the threat of confiscation of the Russian assets by foreign creditors. In order to avoid this, we need to build our sovereign monetary macro-economic policy."
Yes, I live in Kiev. This is my native crity. And I have possibility to see what's going on here since Novemer 2013 on as a wittness - and to compare what they write about that in Moscow and in the West. Sometimes it seems to me that Kiev in Moscow's version is in a different galaxy than Kiev where I live. And reading some of the Western mass media materials about our events, I am convinced that the Moscow Comintern has not died in 1943 at all. Moreover - he is flourishing.
You can tell me of the CIA role in our events. And I can tell you of the FSB and GRU role here much more . And of the role of the Russian army in my country at the moment, too.
Of course I can also tell you of the motives of a million of citisens of my city who did not want to live nor under bandits regime of Yanukovich not under Putin - for the coming of which Yanukovych has prepared everything here. If you come to Kiev - I shall buy you a candle for better seeking fascists and nazis here. I think you will be much more successful in evaluating of efficiency of Putin's propaganda to Western audiences - comparing the image in your imagination to reality
Undoubtedly, Glazyev is a clever man. There are very clever men in Kremlin at the moment. Swallowing one neighboring countries' territory after another, they skillfully and convincingly tell Western intellectuals of celestial mechanics of their carnal desires.
Have you watched Russian TV, Niall? It is no TV in that war propaganda. This is something unprecedented in the history of mass media. After watching this TV, a former classmate of my friend (a leading Moscow university) wrote in his facebook that he would come to Kiev and slaughter him, his wife and his children. It would be funny - if not the same thing happening now with Russian relatives and friends of my friends Kiev. Slightly better situation for my wife (she is from Russia) with her relatives from the Volga region.
Right, but your friend's friend didn't come to slaughter anyone, while your own US-imposed government has slaughtered thousands of your fellow countrymen.
YOU are the one living in 'Pravda' now.
You'll laugh - but I once predicted the collapse of the USSR. It was in 1980, a year after I graduated. I then had to fly around the Soviet Union. You'll laugh - but I once predicted the collapse of the USSR. It was in 1980, a year after I graduated. I then had to fly around the Soviet Union. And in a conversation with a friend of our former training group (he was a communist) I said - 10 years - and this country will collapse. He replied that I am crazy. No - I said - mark my words - 10 years - and it will collapse. No system can not sustain such a huge mess that I have seen with my own eyes.
How The Communists Seized Power….[Link]
"No, that was Germany I believe, with Wall Street money"
I think to understand who started it would be useful to take look at the beginning of the story. The Bolsheviks sounded as ultraradicals on seizure of power in 1917 - and behaved as the ultras in foreign policy, breaking all conceivable rules and regulations. This was a direct path to self-imposed isolation in the world. Moreover, self-isolation - this is a normal way of existence for traditional Muscovite power. In fact the Bolshevik coup in 1917 was a sign of a massive protest of the Russian heartland against Russian elite attempts to drag Russia to the west for two hundred years. It returned Russia to its roots. Hence the mass of the parallels between the realities of the kingdom of Muscovy of Ivan the Terrible - and Stalin's Russia of the 30s. By the way, Stalin ordered to make a three-hour long blockbuster "Ivan the Terrible" and personally oversaw the course of filming.
As a result of these conquest wars of the Bolshevik Russia (RSFSR) in 1918-20 the USSR appears on the map. I do not think that it was the result of external rather than internal forces - although I understand what you mean telling of the outer influence.
Do you know that the Red Army had under its banner 200 former tsarist generals and almost 35,000 former Tsarist officers in the 1919? These imperials quickly recognised Bolsheviks as an effective "lands collector" under their ultra revolutionary slogans. Much more effective than the White movement was. And these generals and officers turned the Red Army to a victorious force that will win and absorb the young democratic national republics appeared in the neighborhood.
Just in two months on seizure of power in Russia - in January 1918 - the Bolsheviks started invasion of Ukraine followed by series of invasions to another republics appeared on ruines of the Russian empire the same time as Soviet Russia itself. And attack of Poland, an attempt to capure Finland in 1939 and capturing the Baltic states in the 1940 were just a final of Russian plan to get back the lands of the Russian Empire.
So Russia was in the WW I loosers - together with Germany. And Russian attempt of revenge was back in 1919-20. It ended by the unsuccessful war with Poland. And as soon as the West plunged into crisis in 1929 - Russians begin frantic preparations for a new large-scale war, putting all the resources available to that and squeezing all the juice out of their poor country. And if the Germans will announce the transition to Totalenkrieg in 1943 - Russia has begun the transition to it in the early 30s - and by the beginning of the WW II was already in the that mode.
As a result - 30 000 tanks and 20 000 war planes. Hitler could then only dream of such striking power.
Nonsense! Upwards of 60 million Russians (and other ethnicities, Ukrainians included) were killed following the Bolshevik coup. It was the worst expression of genocide in known history.
"Hence the mass of the parallels between the realities of the kingdom of Muscovy of Ivan the Terrible - and Stalin's Russia of the 30s. By the way, Stalin ordered to make a three-hour long blockbuster "Ivan the Terrible" and personally oversaw the course of filming."
Actually, 'Ivan the Terrible' is a distortion in translation. The more accurate moniker was 'Ivan the Awesome', or 'Ivan the Mighty'. The early Soviets completely rewrote Russian history to project their own totalitarian nature back in time and justify the 'necessity' of their brutal repression of Russians.
"As a result of these conquest wars of the Bolshevik Russia (RSFSR) in 1918-20 the USSR appears on the map."
No, 19th Century Tsarist Russia was bigger than the USSR ever was. The British imperialists knew perfectly well where Russia was on the map... because it was in their way!
"I do not think that it was the result of external rather than internal forces - although I understand what you mean telling of the outer influence."
The only internal revolutionary movement in Russia in the years leading up to the 1917 revolution was a relatively tiny number of terrorists whose propaganda agitated impressionable university students. Just as today, they were a 'fifth column', funded and supported from without by powerful bankers with a vested interest in bringing 'regime change' to Russia. It had no firm, popular support though and only came to power thanks to the madness of WW1.
"Do you know that the Red Army had under its banner 200 former tsarist generals and almost 35,000 former Tsarist officers in the 1919?"
Of course they did, they had no other choice. The country was falling apart and it took until the mid-1920s to take control of the whole country.
"These imperials quickly recognised Bolsheviks as an effective "lands collector" under their ultra revolutionary slogans. Much more effective than the White movement was. And these generals and officers turned the Red Army to a victorious force that will win and absorb the young democratic national republics appeared in the neighborhood."
"young democratic national republics..." Goodness, you make that sound so romantic! You should probably read my article here where I explain that 'democratic movements' - like all revolutionary movements - were manipulated, if not outright instigated, by British 'geopolitical strategists': [Link]
The 'Young Turks' movement, the Balkan nationalists, Polish and Ukrainian liberators, they were all instruments of intrigue through which Western powers 'contained Russia.' I'm sorry to reduce your nationalist beliefs to their basic and cynical essence, but how else can I help you realize that still today Ukrainians are being used by Western powers who do not give a damn about "young democratic national republics"?
"Just in two months on seizure of power in Russia - in January 1918 - the Bolsheviks started invasion of Ukraine followed by series of invasions to another republics appeared on ruines of the Russian empire the same time as Soviet Russia itself. And attack of Poland, an attempt to capure Finland in 1939 and capturing the Baltic states in the 1940 were just a final of Russian plan to get back the lands of the Russian Empire."
Yes, and many, many crimes were committed. The whole region was set alight. Russia was then the most advanced and just country in the world, which is why so many peoples gladly accepted annexation under Tsarist rule. They weren't bombed into submission! And all that was destroyed by the imposition of tyranny.
"So Russia was in the WW I loosers - together with Germany."
Yes, under the cover of WW1, Russia was attacked and destroyed. Germany, coincidentally, was the second most advanced and just nation-state.
"And Russian attempt of revenge was back in 1919-20. It ended by the unsuccessful war with Poland. And as soon as the West plunged into crisis in 1929 - Russians begin frantic preparations for a new large-scale war, putting all the resources available to that and squeezing all the juice out of their poor country. And if the Germans will announce the transition to Totalenkrieg in 1943 - Russia has begun the transition to it in the early 30s - and by the beginning of the WW II was already in the that mode."
Right, but all of that is post-Bolshevik coup. They weren't ordinary Russians doing that: they were Western-controlled Jews.
"As a result - 30 000 tanks and 20 000 war planes. Hitler could then only dream of such striking power."
Again, what is your point here? That WW2 was actually a Soviet plot to take over the world?
- it’s interesting, of course. Anyway invasion to Afghanistan in 1980 looks absurd. I could not explain myself the motives of that strange Kremlin decision until I have heard a talk of my friend with a veretan of Soviet airborn forces he met at Maidan this winter. The veteran told that in 1979 several Soviet airborn divisions had to be landed in China capturing the key objects in Beijing and the ballistic missiles sites in Eastern China. They were then in the IL-76 in full equipment, feeling that it would be very serious. When the ramp had already been raised, he asked the navigator - Where to? And the navigator reluctantly admitted - the goal - Beijing. The huge operation was cancelled. And for not to keep the paratroopers in tension – the Kremlin decided to send them to Kabul instead of Beijing.
«As for NATO bases in eastern Europe and encircling Russia... I don't need to remind you that that is precisely what has happened, do I?!»
- I think that a delay in taking Ukraine into NATO was a big mistake. Otherwise the world had not got Ukrainian crisis and Russia would be much less aggressive at the moment. And Crimea would not be turned into a huge carrier put forward to the borders of the EU and NATO.
«I think - going by Putin's track record - that when he says his vision is a Eurasian space that is economically fair and humanitarian»
- the figures of Russian budget for nearest years I mentioned before are a nice illustration how “humanitarian” Russia is to get soon.
“he is not just saying that in order to covertly bring about a global gulag”
- Once again – never listen to what they say. Look at the things they are doing. Kremlin accepts laws more stringent restriction of civil liberties almost every month. The Federation Council unanimously voted in favor of all the possibility of sending troops to Ukraine - and only one member voted against. Russian society is ready to tear apart itself any dissenter without the NKVD or the gulag. And I'm sure - if tomorrow Putin announces that Russia has entered the public execution of "enemies of the people" - the answer will be universal applause..
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- “We already have that, remember? Near-universal debt slavery to Wall Street is here, now. Americans think torturing human beings is ok. Democracy is whatever the West says it is. Whatever about a hell that may come, we are in a hell NOW.»
- of course, the things go wrong in Western democracy. But do we need to choose between Western democraty in its actual version and the Putin model? I wonder that you do not see what the Putin model is. I think it is some mix of the bolshevism, nazism and modern media. The result is awful. Aggressive, bitchy, xenophobic and insane 100-million Russian mob. And Putin, which can easily target its rage where he wants.
«I think it's about Russia being at the cutting-edge of innovative ideas and technologies, but realizing the urgency of the crossroads we find ourselves at: that either the bulk of the world's population and resources come together cooperatively... or the planet implodes under the weight of US-led greed»
- And as the name of that co-op? The Soviet Union? Or kolkhoz? You think Russia has some new idea? Over the past 100 years, I see only one thing. How many times Russians started to build a brighter future - they go out of their distant past. The variations on the theme of Muscovy. And I think there is no other model in their minds
«Sort of. It is a war budget, but a DEFENSIVE war budget. 'Russia' has been under constant attack since its foundation 1,000 years ago»
- really? I am afraid that a closer look at Russian history will give a very different picture. All invasions to Russia after Batu Khan were actually return an unfriendly visits after the Muscovites themselves invaded to their close or distant neighbors. All of them! - Whether the Poles in the 17th century, the Swedes in the 18th or the French in the 19th Even Hitler attacked Russia after they divided Poland together with him, and then self-ate part of Finland, and then Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia as a whole, and Romania - in part. And I do not find any example of a non-aggression response in Russia over the past 800 years.
And I beg you - do not tell me of Russia foundation 1000 years ago. I can talk from what Russia really started some other time. And what is the principal difference between Rus that really started in 10th century - and Russia that started as a Golden Horde Moscow project.
“Yeh, looks like Russia's going to need it” – we see what the need looks like in our country at the moment.
Here in the West, awake and aware people have a very different perception of NATO and the EU.
« the figures of Russian budget for nearest years I mentioned before are a nice illustration how “humanitarian” Russia is to get soon. »
I see, so it's not about the crimes Russia has committed, but the crimes it will commit! So I guess Russia is guilty of 'pre-crime'?
« Once again – never listen to what they say. Look at the things they are doing. »
That's exactly what SOTT.net and most alternative media in the West has been doing for years. And what they say matches with what they do, in contrast to Western strategies, which talks peace while delivering war and destruction.
« Kremlin accepts laws more stringent restriction of civil liberties almost every month. The Federation Council unanimously voted in favor of all the possibility of sending troops to Ukraine - and only one member voted against. Russian society is ready to tear apart itself any dissenter without the NKVD or the gulag. And I'm sure - if tomorrow Putin announces that Russia has entered the public execution of "enemies of the people" - the answer will be universal applause... »
Pure Western propaganda! It's very clear that Russia's legislation is designed to confront 'regime change' Western NGOs and their agents within Russia.
« of course, the things go wrong in Western democracy. But do we need to choose between Western democraty in its actual version and the Putin model? I wonder that you do not see what the Putin model is. I think it is some mix of the bolshevism, nazism and modern media. The result is awful. Aggressive, bitchy, xenophobic and insane 100-million Russian mob. And Putin, which can easily target its rage where he wants. »
I see, you are a russophobe. Well, I can't blame you given the amount of lies about Russia, both in history and today. But really, in today's information age, this excuse is becoming less acceptable by the day.
« I am afraid that a closer look at Russian history will give a very different picture. All invasions to Russia after Batu Khan were actually return an unfriendly visits after the Muscovites themselves invaded to their close or distant neighbors. All of them! - Whether the Poles in the 17th century, the Swedes in the 18th or the French in the 19th Even Hitler attacked Russia after they divided Poland together with him, and then self-ate part of Finland, and then Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia as a whole, and Romania - in part. And I do not find any example of a non-aggression response in Russia over the past 800 years. »
Then you need to read more. Try this: [Link]
- I'm not sure that the Russian killed 60 million of their compatriots. And it is not in the fugures. I think more important to the topic is the fact that the first leader of Bolshevism in Russia that unleashed a civil war with millions of victims became a kind of Russian saint. And the second one, that put to death much more is the beloved historical figure for Russians. When this Ghoul died I'm not sure that the Russian killed 60 million of their compatriots. And it is not in the numbers. I think it is more important to the topic of the fact that the first leader of Bolshevism in Russia that unleashed a civil war, became Russian saints. And second, that killed most of the victims, to this day - the most revered historical figure in Russia. When this Ghoul died the Russians crushed about a thousand people in a stampede during a funeral in Moscow.
You'll hardly understand anything in Russia, until you realise how little meaning for Russian have their human victims. More precisely - the sacrifices that they reckon "for Russia."
In doubt - ask which way Russia buries hundreds of its "volunteers" and the soldiers that died for some unknown reason in the battles in SE Ukraine. In any way. Their government not even consider it necessary to speak of these victims at all. Even the casualties of Russian army in World War II they could not count with an accuracy of at least a million for a long time. And if you go to the east of Germany - look at the graves of Russian soldiers. They are there almost in every town - such as in Grossenhain, where I lived. And almost all of them - "brotherhood graves". Even in 1945, when it was possible not to hurry up and do everything humanly, they dumped their dead in a common grave - a few hundred soldiers altogether. This is the real price of human life in Russia. And it's terrible. And I know about it - I lived there for some years.
"Actually, 'Ivan the Terrible' is a distortion in translation. The more accurate moniker was 'Ivan the Awesome', or 'Ivan the Mighty'. The early Soviets completely rewrote Russian history to project their own totalitarian nature back in time and justify the 'necessity' of their brutal repression of Russians"
- I know that the translation is incorrect. But in the Brirish forum I have to use your usual names for historical persons like that. However, Ivan actually committed genocide in the Novgorod lands and almost exterminated local ethnicity (Novgorodtsy are treated as a certain etnicity by some scientists). Remains of elite were relocated to lands around Moscow , and Muscovites were settled there instead. The Russian geneticists (Balanovsky) could not find almost no traces of Novgorodtsy in the gene pool of the residents of the region.
That eatly Moscow practice reminds me a famine in the Kuban. In early 1933 Moscow deported Ukrainian cossaks village (stanitsa) Poltavskaya and other Ukrainian villages to Syberia. Instead of the retired Red Army soldiers were moved there with their families. The order barred to recruit settlers in Ukraine and the Cossack lands Don - practically all of them were ethnic Russians. At the same time the Ukrainian language in local schools and the official document management was replaced by the Russian language.
"No, 19th Century Tsarist Russia was bigger than the USSR ever was. The British imperialists knew perfectly well where Russia was on the map... because it was in their way!"
- 19th Century Tsarist Russia included half of Poland (with Warsaw) and Finland. But its structure did not include East Prussia, Galicia, Transcarpathia and Bukovina. The rest of the borders were almost the same
On the other hand, 19th Century Tsarist Russia had never controlled huge territories in Eastern Euripe having puppet governments in several countries there.
"The only internal revolutionary movement in Russia in the years leading up to the 1917 revolution was a relatively tiny number of terrorists whose propaganda agitated impressionable university students"
- no, the major revolutionary party - Socialist-Revolutionary Party - was rather big (up to 60 thousand members in 1905) and popular not only in urban stratum but among peasants, too. It has a terrorist wing but it was just a small part of the party
"Just as today, they were a 'fifth column', funded and supported from without by powerful bankers with a vested interest in bringing 'regime change' to Russia. It had no firm, popular support though and only came to power thanks to the madness of WW1."
- you can google who and why provided the 300 millionth loan to the Japan so it could buy weapons and start a war with Russia. War, which ended for Russia by defeat and the First Russian Revolution. Meanwhile do not forget that lots of Russians themselves dreamed to crush Tzarism. Read Nikolai A. Berdyaev Ni[Link]
"Of course they did, they had no other choice. The country was falling apart and it took until the mid-1920s to take control of the whole country."
- sorry - NOT the country but the Empire. It was a normal process of crush of some European empires after the WWI. And it led to the series of national states on their ruines. Russia made extraordinary efforts to turn the wheel of a history backwards.
The late stage of that we see at the moment in SE Ukraine, don't we?
"young democratic national republics..." Goodness, you make that sound so romantic! You should probably read my article here where I explain that 'democratic movements' - like all revolutionary movements - were manipulated, if not outright instigated, by British 'geopolitical strategists'"
- you treat all democratic countries as a result of "manipulations"; not?
I guess that you threat the dictator regimes or monarchies as somewhat natural
Sorry for my question - aren't you Russian?
Actually, I was wrong. Solzhenitsyn gave a figure of 66 million. His book was published in Russian in 2002. It has still not been translated into English.
« I think more important to the topic is the fact that the first leader of Bolshevism in Russia that unleashed a civil war with millions of victims became a kind of Russian saint. And the second one, that put to death much more is the beloved historical figure for Russians. When this Ghoul died I'm not sure that the Russian killed 60 million of their compatriots. And it is not in the numbers. I think it is more important to the topic of the fact that the first leader of Bolshevism in Russia that unleashed a civil war, became Russian saints. And second, that killed most of the victims, to this day - the most revered historical figure in Russia. When this Ghoul died the Russians crushed about a thousand people in a stampede during a funeral in Moscow. »
I see, now that I've pointed out that Bolshevik terror was imposed on Russians, and not originating from Russians, you want to stop talking about that! Worse, you somehow twist the Russian holocaust to present the victims as the perpetrators.
« You'll hardly understand anything in Russia, until you realise how little meaning for Russian have their human victims. More precisely - the sacrifices that they reckon "for Russia." »
Wow, you really do hate Russians. Are you a supporter of Stepan Bandera by any chance?
« In doubt - ask which way Russia buries hundreds of its "volunteers" and the soldiers that died for some unknown reason in the battles in SE Ukraine. In any way. Their government not even consider it necessary to speak of these victims at all. Even the casualties of Russian army in World War II they could not count with an accuracy of at least a million for a long time. And if you go to the east of Germany - look at the graves of Russian soldiers. They are there almost in every town - such as in Grossenhain, where I lived. And almost all of them - "brotherhood graves". Even in 1945, when it was possible not to hurry up and do everything humanly, they dumped their dead in a common grave - a few hundred soldiers altogether. This is the real price of human life in Russia. And it's terrible. And I know about it - I lived there for some years. »
So, if I follow your paralogical thinking here, Russians being buried in mass graves ... is evidence of Russian barbarity??
« I know that the translation is incorrect. But in the Brirish forum I have to use your usual names for historical persons like that. However, Ivan actually committed genocide in the Novgorod lands and almost exterminated local ethnicity (Novgorodtsy are treated as a certain etnicity by some scientists). Remains of elite were relocated to lands around Moscow , and Muscovites were settled there instead. The Russian geneticists (Balanovsky) could not find almost no traces of Novgorodtsy in the gene pool of the residents of the region. »
Yes, the sacking of Novgorod was terrible. Let's keep some perspective though: the numbers killed there were equalled in the first 20 minutes of America's Shock and Awe campaign in Iraq in 2003. Yes, the same America whose great and glorious NATO and EU projects you welcome into your country.
The context that is excised from Official History is that the aristocratic noble families in Novgorod and Moscow were conspiring with Danish, Livonian and Polish aristocrats to subvert and 'contain' this growing country to the east. The people loved Ivan IV because he protected them from the oligarchs. Most sources on Ivan IV are extremely hostile towards him because of this.
« That eatly Moscow practice reminds me a famine in the Kuban. In early 1933 Moscow deported Ukrainian cossaks village (stanitsa) Poltavskaya and other Ukrainian villages to Syberia. Instead of the retired Red Army soldiers were moved there with their families. The order barred to recruit settlers in Ukraine and the Cossack lands Don - practically all of them were ethnic Russians. At the same time the Ukrainian language in local schools and the official document management was replaced by the Russian language. »
'Moscow' did a lot of evil things then. Would those evil things have happened under the late Tsarist empire?
« you can google who and why provided the 300 millionth loan to the Japan so it could buy weapons and start a war with Russia. War, which ended for Russia by defeat and the First Russian Revolution. »
Yes, Jacob Schiff and the House of Rothschild arranged for Japan to attack a relatively undefended part of Russia. Something that you are grateful for, apparently.
« Meanwhile do not forget that lots of Russians themselves dreamed to crush Tzarism. »
That is a lie. Nicholas II is now SAINT Nicholas II. The people loved their king, and have not forgotten him.
« sorry - NOT the country but the Empire. It was a normal process of crush of some European empires after the WWI. And it led to the series of national states on their ruines. Russia made extraordinary efforts to turn the wheel of a history backwards. »
Blaming the victims again. What happened in Russia was NOT "normal" and was far worse than anywhere else. Here, read Ouspensky's letters to Orage in England: [Link]
« The late stage of that we see at the moment in SE Ukraine, don't we? »
What we see in SE Ukraine is the direct result of the same old American-controlled empire doing regime change in Kiev in February this year: giving power to neo-Bolsheviks whose destructive urges have been unleashed on those who are resisting the 'democratic revolution'.
« you treat all democratic countries as a result of "manipulations"; not? »
It depends on the country and the era, but yes, in general, all liberal democracy is a mask for ruthless oligarchial control by a hidden elite.
« I guess that you threat the dictator regimes or monarchies as somewhat natural »
Again it depends on the country and the era, but yes, in general, 'dictator regimes and monarchies' represent the natural order of things. Strong leaders with conscience keep psychopathic oligarchs at bay. 'Monarch' has become a dirty word because history has been rewritten by the victors. 'Monarchs' today are just public figureheads, the real power lies with the transnational banking elite.
The origin of the word 'dictator' is even more illuminating: it comes from Rome, where the optimate senators (the oligarchs) ruled the 'Republic' with an iron grip. It wasn't really a republic, it was an empire, although it kept pretending to be a republic, and it was ruled by the few for the few. Then Julius Caesar came along and changed everything by breaking all their rules. The oligarchs hated him, but the people loved him so much they made him 'son of god'. This is what the myth of Jesus Christ was based on, the attempt by Julius Caesar to impose a new model of living on the world, where humanitarian values and international law would actually mean something and the oligarchs would be forever kept in control.
His project ultimately failed of course. The oligarchs assassinated him and Rome then formally became an empire, but not the just and 'democratic' empire Caesar was trying to achieve. Under the weight of its militaristic overreach, moral degeneracy, and cruel treatment of its subjects, Rome then collapsed in a firestorm of burning rocks from the skies, deluges, plague and massive earthquakes.
The elites since then have completely distorted this history so that when people hear the name 'Casear', they associate it with 'dictator', which is a 'bad' thing. Not necessarily. It depends on who is doing the dictating. Is it a psychopath? Or is it an intelligent man who has a conscience, and a plan?
« Sorry for my question - aren't you Russian? »
No, I am not Russian.
Listen, you need to read this book. It's also available in Polish (actually, it was originally written in Polish) and in German: [Link]
- I am not sure of the Ataturk, but I can tell you in details of the mighty Ukrainian democratic movement in the period as goog as of maidan in 2004 and in 2014. And I know that our tradition of that sort has very old roots and go down to our Veche of the 11 century - and our cossacs and our Hetmanate of the 17-18 century. I am not fooling - I saw how it worked in 2004 and now. And I've seen dozens of excellent examples of Ukrainian self organization - when the whole initiative came from below, from the hundreds and thousands of volunteers who supported the maidan. I love to confess about this for a long time asyou, as I understand it, are very far away from it all, if received information of our affairs from Russian channels. And the West knows almost nothing about it, too - as far as I can see from your mass media of that days. Just a visitors to Kiev both from Moscow or from the West who spent hours at maidan could feel its spirit and the way it was arranged
As for Ukrainian historiography, even the Wikipedia page on Ukraine just copies the same medieval origins of Russia, the Kievan Rus!
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'Russia' IS 'Ukraine' and vice versa!
- nothing new for us. In fact Ukrainians were alone as hell since 1918 when we started the project - and the very moderate Western support (just for not getting Russian tanks by the gates of the Western Europe) that we see now is priceless for us. Since 1918, we are balancing between two fires. And we understand that without the West Moscow would drown us all in the Dnieper without any mental confusion - so we got her the very fact that we are, and that Kiev - Kiev - the central axis of their ideological myth - is Ukrainian.
I have no illusions about the myopia of the West and almost complete atrophy of feeling of self preservation in Europe today. Her sunset that Spengler declared more than a hundred years ago, is before our eyes. And it does not diminish our drive - because long ago a famous Russian classic noted that Ukrainians as a nation are completely self-sufficient. Our self-sufficiency and aspiration to the liberty is gagging our northern neighbor not for the first time. Does the West understand that if you do not fork out for Ukraine to stop Russian bear which again grew huge claws, on that line - I hope so. Otherwise you should spend huge amounts of money on defense - much more than for that kind of the bear-protection. I hope that someone in the West realises that. But it's certainly not you, my dear opponent
Yes, 'the Ukrainian nation-state' is a modern project, the result of Western intrigues and 'great games'.
« Since 1918, we are balancing between two fires. »
Yes, I pity 'eastern Europeans'. They are quite schizophrenic from being in the middle of this centuries-old West-East tug-of-war between two types of civilizations.
« And we understand that without the West Moscow would drown us all in the Dnieper without any mental confusion »
Yes, during the 'Red Terror'. Russia today is nothing but brotherly towards Ukrainians.
« Kiev - the central axis of their ideological myth - is Ukrainian. »
Kiev WAS the first real 'Russian city'.
« I have no illusions about the myopia of the West and almost complete atrophy of feeling of self preservation in Europe today. Her sunset that Spengler declared more than a hundred years ago, is before our eyes. And it does not diminish our drive - because long ago a famous Russian classic noted that Ukrainians as a nation are completely self-sufficient. Our self-sufficiency and aspiration to the liberty is gagging our northern neighbor not for the first time. »
The Ukrainian nation-state project has been a complete disaster!
« Does the West understand that if you do not fork out for Ukraine to stop Russian bear which again grew huge claws, on that line - I hope so. Otherwise you should spend huge amounts of money on defense - much more than for that kind of the bear-protection. I hope that someone in the West realises that. But it's certainly not you, my dear opponent »
You understand that the Western peoples have lost all sovereignty... and yet you call on their masters to deliver you your sovereignty. Have you heard of the term 'wishful thinking'?
- the fact is that no-one except Russians themselves tells of that "gladly annexations". I have quite different exapmples - how Russians suppressed the national minorities. And early story was within the so-called Cheremissian wars in mid-Volga - when Moscow killed all Mari elite - more than 5 thousand people with their wives and children - and put the people one thousand years back. Deprived Mari elite and drove the rest of the people to the forests. Forbade the folk to smelt and work iron (Finno-Ugric people could do this even at the threshold of our era), and to buy iron products , to settle in towns, and even stay in them for the night and so on. As to the Ukrainians - As for the Ukrainians - here is a simple example. At the end of the 18th century, only the Chernigov province had 640 primary schools. After the liquidation of Ukrainian autonomy (Hetmanate), the region was brought to the general Russian standard. And number of schools left was.. 6 . I am afraid that in the 19th century Russia was as advanced as it was non-Russian. Mihgty Ukrainian cultural influence and thousands of well-educated Ukrianians in the humanitarian, religious and administrative sphere in 17-18 centuries, German scientists, military and administration, French teachers etc. And by the end of the 19th century big Western investments to Russia that made an industrial boom. And for all that - heartbreaking civilizational and social contrasts of Russia. What to say - if in the 90s I saw in the Volga region the villages, in which you can easily make a film about the events of the 17th century - without decorations. And in the Urals in the 50s peasants wore lapti - shoes of birch bark.
"Yes, under the cover of WW1, Russia was attacked and destroyed" - by whom attacked? Some British and American troops in the purely populated Russian North? Japanese in the Far East? French not in Russia but in Ukrainian South? Or Germans invited by the Ukrainian government to prevene annexation of Ukraine by Soviet Russia? Do not tell me that Moscow tale of the "massive intervention to the Soviet Russia". I know what it was.
"Right, but all of that is post-Bolshevik coup. They weren't ordinary Russians doing that: they were Western-controlled Jews" - I can let you have a list of the very first Bolshevik government - the Sovnarkom. 15 Russian, 1 Polish, 1 Georgian, 1 Jew. I agree that Jews played a serious role in Bolshevism when it came to power. But initially the Bolsheviks were Russian and the Jews made "opportunistic" minority in Russian Communist party as Mensheviks.
Later the Jews played a great role in a new Russian project - the Russian military superpower called the Soviet Union. Russians used them for their purposes - as scilled specialists in ideology, science, culture, industry and education. And in the 30s the Jew Kaganovich will dance Kamarinskaya (Russian national dance) in front of Georgian Stalin to prove him that he also became Russian
Stalin's daughter Svetlana wrote in her memoirs - "over the years, my father completely russified".
"Again, what is your point here? That WW2 was actually a Soviet plot to take over the world?" - initially - without doubts. In the lettering of German Embassy in Moscow with the Ministry of Foreign Affairs you can find talks with Russians in 1940 about the forthcoming division of the British Empire, new coalition of Russia with Germany. Italy and Japan, etc. Stalin got so enthusiastic about that that he did not want to believe in 1941 that everything has changed and Germans will invade Russia. It is a major reason of unexpected German attack that caused destraction of Russian armies at the border. Another reason is that Stalin prepared his own Drang nach West. But it's another issue
Hang on, you're again citing Medieval examples to support your argument about Russian intentions today?
« "Yes, under the cover of WW1, Russia was attacked and destroyed" - by whom attacked? »
The same global oligarchial elite attacking Russia today, the Washington-London-Tel Aviv Axis of Evil.
« But initially the Bolsheviks were Russian and the Jews made "opportunistic" minority in Russian Communist party as Mensheviks. »
Leon Trotsky? You're splitting hairs, Oleg. It's undisputed that Jews dominated the Bolsheviks and earlier 'revolutionary' groups in the Russian empire. It could not have happened with money from Wall Street and Germany.
« "Again, what is your point here? That WW2 was actually a Soviet plot to take over the world?" - initially - without doubts. In the lettering of German Embassy in Moscow with the Ministry of Foreign Affairs you can find talks with Russians in 1940 about the forthcoming division of the British Empire, new coalition of Russia with Germany. Italy and Japan, etc. Stalin got so enthusiastic about that that he did not want to believe in 1941 that everything has changed and Germans will invade Russia. It is a major reason of unexpected German attack that caused destraction of Russian armies at the border. Another reason is that Stalin prepared his own Drang nach West. But it's another issue »
Very interesting. Meanwhile, over in Washington, Truman was saying this:
"If we see that Germany is winning we ought to help Russia and if Russia is winning we ought to help Germany, and that way let them kill as many as possible."
So, whatever about what Stalin MIGHT have thought, or MIGHT have done, the RESULT was the utter destruction (again) of Europe and Russia. A power over and above Stalin manipulated this situation to come about. America then steps in once the Soviets win the war against the Nazis... and the rest is history.
1 annexed Lithuania
2 Latvia
3 Estonia
4 Galicia
5 Volyn
6 West Belarus
7 East Prussia
8 South Sakhalin
9 Part of the Kuril Islands
Tried to annex Iran, and after the war - the Turkish Kurdistan
Received under its direct political control Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Bulgaria, North Korea, and partial control - Romania. Promoted communism in the Balkans - with access to the Mediterranean Sea.
Now try to convince me that Russia did not prepare the Second World War - and initially did not have any selfish purposes in it.
1 annexed Lithuania
2 Latvia
3 Estonia
4 Galicia
5 Volyn
6 West Belarus
7 East Prussia
8 South Sakhalin
9 Part of the Kuril Islands »
Yes, the Allied powers had no other choice because the USSR won the war. These were previously part of the Russian empire.
« Received under its direct political control Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Bulgaria, North Korea, and partial control - Romania. Promoted communism in the Balkans - with access to the Mediterranean Sea. »
Yes, as agreed with Winston Churchill, who then immediately started the Cold War propaganda against Moscow, propaganda which STILL anchors in the minds of millions of people in the borderlands.
« Now try to convince me that Russia did not prepare the Second World War - and initially did not have any selfish purposes in it. »
Stalin, having somewhat de-Bolshevik-ized the USSR, sought to protect its interests from yet another wave of Western invaders. He was betrayed, ruthlessly, by those who prepared the Second World War: the same Western oligarchial elites who prepared the Bolshevik revolution, the First World War, the atomic bomb, the 'Cold War' as a cover for going all over the world and bombing defenceless people from the air (something no Russian government of any form has ever done), and the same oligarchial elite who did 9/11 in order to launch a 'War on Terror' and crack down on all dissent anywhere in the globe.
Putin's Russia is saying 'No more!'
You, like most Westerners, have been programmed to project all the world's problems onto the one source that stands in the way of the complete takeover of this planet by psychopaths.
- I have heard from our WWII veterans that in summer 1945 they in the army were waiting an order to go further to the west. They said - in the army then was full of rumors about "Stalin tomorrow will - and we will go further - up to the Atlantic." The Russians began intensive Sovietization of Eastern Europe.
In the Middle East Moscow arranged a Republic of Mahabad to unite it with the AzSSR futher. The Iran crisis was a serious push to the Cold War.
For me - as I am a former aviation engineer and a son of a military pilot - is sufficient one minor fact. The Russians received in 1944-45 for the lend-lease over 600 new fighters "Kingkobra" and some powerful "Thunderbolts" from the United States.
These high-altitude fighters had a powerful on-board weapons.
So - none of them went to the front!
But the Soviet airfields in Eastern Europe were full of "Kingobras" right after the war! Firstly I have heard of that from my father's old friend who remembered a mass of their remnants near airfields there in early 50s.
Both aircrafts were the only effective weapon for Russians to shoot down American "Superfortress" B-29, and even more so - their "Liberators", B-17 and your "Lancasters" as soon as the fight with the former allies starts.
The American bomb prevented Russians from that. And Stalin will let off steam later - and not in Europe - by initiating a big war in Korea.
About a strange transfer of the Rodimtsev tank division to Chukotka in 1945 you've probably never heard.
But what I also heard from a very serious person - that after the war, Mao proposed to Stalin to attack America through Alaska. Stalin had to give tanks and other equipment some crues - and vessels for the crossing of the Bering Strait, and Mao - 50 millions of soldiers. That would be pure fantasy - if Russians then would not started build in a very intensice way a transpolar railroad to Chukotka. Remains of the constuction have been preserved to the present day.
As I said before - Russian Bolshevism was a return back to the standards of the pre-Peter Muscovy. And among those standards were self-isolation, xenophobia and terrible hatridge and fears of the West. I think this fear the Muscovites got from their teachers - the Mongols.
Among the Mongols it was an ancient belief that the death of them is to come from the west. Hence, perhaps, appeared an ultimatum of Khan Guyuk to the Pope and to the Western world on the whole in the 13th century.
Beyond that, the Bolsheviks were still a military junta. And any junta fears to be deposed.
Hence the permanent fear in the Kremlin that the West will come and clean the junta. And in a complete self-isolation these fears of them have reached fantastic proportions.
All that entered in resonance with traditional Russian militarism and the idea of a worldwide expansion of Bolshevism.
As a result, Russia of the 30s turned into a giant military camp where millions of country slaves and industrial semi-slaves worked from dawn to dusk to create a Russian militarnoy superpower. This way by the end of the 30sa appears a huge, unprecedented army - the largest and most powerful in the world.
For attack or defense? "Our army will be the attacking army in the world" - it was said then from the rostrum in the USSR. And in 1939 the arme gave the Russians a chance to get large areas in Europe. - While their big appetite did not frighten another predator - Hitler.
And before a start of a second round of attacks on Britain (Hitler's general purpose) - he decided to remove unreliable ally in the east.
This is the same Russian historiography they teach in the West... and it's completely wrong. In fact, it's as much of a projection - a reversal of the truth (or reversive blockade, for those who know what I mean) - as the tsunami of lies against Russia is today. Man, russophobia runs deep and wide. What is UP with that??!
"Among the Mongols it was an ancient belief that the death of them is to come from the west. Hence, perhaps, appeared an ultimatum of Khan Guyuk to the Pope and to the Western world on the whole in the 13th century."
Yes, the Shamballah legends. Wow, so you think those myths referred to Russians too!? Holy moly, what it must be like to be inside your head.
"Beyond that, the Bolsheviks were still a military junta. And any junta fears to be deposed. Hence the permanent fear in the Kremlin that the West will come and clean the junta. And in a complete self-isolation these fears of them have reached fantastic proportions. All that entered in resonance with traditional Russian militarism and the idea of a worldwide expansion of Bolshevism."
Yes, then Wall Street and Germany funded regime change, aka Bolshevism, which destroyed Russia.
"As a result, Russia of the 30s turned into a giant military camp where millions of country slaves and industrial semi-slaves worked from dawn to dusk to create a Russian militarnoy superpower. This way by the end of the 30sa appears a huge, unprecedented army - the largest and most powerful in the world."
Kind of. It became so AFTER Wall Street front man Adolf Hitler destroyed one third of Russia. Isn't it interesting that IN SPITE OF having Bolshevism imposed on them, Russia still didn't become an aggressive global empire like Holland, England, France, or USA. All its foreign/external actions remained focused on securing its own borders, just as it is today.
"And before a start of a second round of attacks on Britain (Hitler's general purpose) - he decided to remove unreliable ally in the east."
... yeh, go on. You were saying something about Stalin's plans for global domination? But Hitler thwarted those plans? Right...
8/26/14 9:19 "My car was set on fire. Then I realized that it was not a drill, but we are in Ukraine - and I was scared," - Russian paratrooper. VIDEO
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"On August 25 near the settlement Zerkalny Amvrosievsky region Donetsk oblast the joint Task Force Armed Forces of Ukraine and the SBU detained ten soldiers of the regiment 331 98 Svir Airborne Division of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation (in the h 71211)"
A captured Russian paratrooper - to Kremlin: "Stop sending boys there. This is not our war." VIDEO
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Alexey Generalov urged to stop sending Russian troops on the territory of Ukraine.
- nothing special, Joe. This is normal and quite reasonable reaction to the outbreak of the arkchaic Russian imperialism. On the wild for the 21st century Russia's attempt to revive their empire. And the fact that Russia is now acting in the world as arrogant bully and a real moron.
This is perfectly normal and it is reasonable reaction to an outbreak of Russian imperialism in the absurd for the 21st century form. Reaction to the mad attempt of Russia to revive their archaic empire. And to the fact that Russia is now acting in the world as arrogant hooligan and a real moron.
Not only that - after the terrible things that Russia was doing in the 20th century, going in some things even further than the Third Reich, now all that talk about some kind of "Russophobia" - is like blaming Europe in Germanophobia in 1944.
And the important point here is that we do not see any awareness of national guilt for that in the Russians, nor attempts of repentance before its neighbors for their recent actions.
And Christians have a simple standard - not repented not forgiven.
"Yes, the Shamballah legends. Wow, so you think those myths referred to Russians too!? Holy moly, what it must be like to be inside your head"
- Try then to find another explanation for the traditional Russian fear of the West and the rest of their "Westophobia" that is simply striking.
You will not understand anything in Russia without understanding its old roots. Understanding the fact that both the early Moscow version f the Russian state and the current one (since 1917) has grown not from the Rus, but from the Horde.
A Horde, in its turn, was an integral part of the great Mongol-Chinese world. I hope you know that Khubilai moved the capital of Mongolia from Karakorum to Beijing (Khanbalik) in late 13 century. And the Chinese acministration and culture standards made huge influence on the huge empire. The Golden Horde with Moscow lands was a part of that even when the empire splitted apart.
And early Russia several centuries revolved on the orbit, ingrowing into its standards and assimilating its mentality. In the 15-16 century, Russia is a typical Asian despotia. This is a separate issue.
Let me just say that Peter ruined that Moscow project and knocked Russia out of the way. After 1917, it came back - and the first thing the Bolsheviks did they returned Russian capital to Moscow. And in the 30s Russia has again become a typical Asiatic despotia.
It was not some Stalin product - the new Bolshevik state soon became old and archaic as hell!
This is the answer to the strange fact- why only Asian country voluntarily followed Bolshevik Russia . First, Mongolia (!), then China and North Korea. And last - Northern Vietnam. In Europe that way followed only a small Muslim Albania.
"Yes, then Wall Street and Germany funded regime change, aka Bolshevism, which destroyed Russia".
Ask Russians themselves, Joe. They'll tell you that Stalin has built the Great Russia that Russians always dreamed of. And Stalin called Bolshevik himself all his life. He was a major manager for the project, nothing more.
"Kind of. It became so AFTER Wall Street front man Adolf Hitler destroyed one third of Russia. Isn't it interesting that IN SPITE OF having Bolshevism imposed on them, Russia still didn't become an aggressive global empire like Holland, England, France, or USA"
- much more aggressive, Joe. I wrote you which way Russia entered the WWII. Before that in 1914 it was one of the starters of the WWI. In1918 it started series of quite imperialist wars against its neighbors,
"All its foreign/external actions remained focused on securing its own borders, just as it is today" - borders of the Russian empire, isn't it?
A nice and innocent wish for the 2014.
" ... yeh, go on. You were saying something about Stalin's plans for global domination? But Hitler thwarted those plans? Right..."
- read the story of their talks of 1939-40. They agreed to divide East Europe in August 1939. And they discussed how to divide the British Empire in 1940. Russians were to come to the Indian Ocean etc. The future seemed very positive and fruitful way.
But then Russians got greedy and violated the agreement of August 1939 (captured non-agreed Lithuania, Bessarabia and Bukovina. And moved to the oil fields of Ploiesti, after that Hitler had just fallen into a stupor.
Hitler suspected them badly. And he decided to stick a knife in the ribs of his accomplice. History in gang traditions, yeah?
Sergiei Glaziev says (from 11:18):
"What we see today is European politicians who are acting against their national interests. This is largely due to the fact that Germany, which is the engine of European growth, is still an occupied country. American troops are still in Germany, and every German Chancellor still gives an oath of allegiance to the Americans to follow in the footsteps of their policies."
Sounds absurd? Not at all.
There's a book written by Gen. (Ret.) Gerd-Helmut Komossa, former head of German MAD (Military Counterintelligence) - "DIE DEUTSCHE KARTE. Das verdeckte Spiel der geheimen Dienste", Ares-Verlag, Graz 2007 - that descibes exactly what Glaziev speaks about.
"Gerd-Helmut Komossa reveals the uncomfortable truth about the post-war conditions, dictated by the US and its allies. The state treaty, dated May 21, 1949 and classified by BND as top secret, suggests restrictions of state sovereignty of the Federal Republic of Germany, introduced for a period until 2099. These restrictions include the provision that the winning coalition exercise complete control over Germany's mass media and communications; that every Federal Chancellor is to sign the so-called Chancellor Act; that the gold reserve of Germany is kept under arrest. In fact, all the German Chancellors, including the incumbent Chancellor Angela Merkel, pay their first foreign visit necessarily to the United States. The whole spectrum of German political parties is supervised by a special Washington-based controlling body, while local US-licensed media serve as a more sophisticated means of brainwashing than the Nazi propagandist machine. Meanwhile, Germany's territory is still occupied by US troops."
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