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Warning: I'm going to say a number of things in this post that will upset a variety of people on both sides of this issue. Don't get your undies in a twist at the beginning; read to the end.
I've given a lot of thought to the hijab issue in the past, and now that Marine LePen says she wants to ban them in France, maybe it is time to think about it some more and try to clarify my thinking. First, let me define a 'society'. It is a group of interdependent people distinguished by mutual interests, participation in characteristic relationships, shared institutions, common culture, activities and interests.
Having said that, let me say that, as a Western woman, my gut reaction to the hijab WITHIN Western society, is quite negative; it doesn't belong there. It seems to express and represent a deep shame about a woman being a woman. It is part of a larger set of rather misogynistic cultural norms that are generally incomprehensible to the Western mind. A lot can be written about this, but that would make this too lengthy. I can just say shortly that it is a practice that originated with the idea that the hijab or burqa is designed to prevent men from looking 'perversely' at women. A woman, simply by being female, is something that must be hidden because she can incite negative outcomes in society by her mere existence. Men, at the same time, are too weak and hapless to resist. From my perspective, that attitude is insulting to both men and women.
I've read that many Muslim women who wear the hijab in some variation, feel 'safe' and 'protected' by it. I try to understand that and think that it is due to the general culture they are raised in described above: misogynistic. If a woman feels that deeply, then she is unlikely to ever get over it and feel comfortable without the hijab. Perhaps that means that she will never feel comfortable within Western culture in general, in which case she ought to stay in a place where the culture she is comfortable with is the norm. (Easier said than done, as we will see.)
Wearing jewelry that advertises one's membership in a particular religion or social 'club' is a Western tradition. People wear crosses of different types to show their affiliation to a particular denomination of Christianity; Jews wear their own type of religious jewelry; Masons and Eastern Star clubs wear rings and such; Girl Scouts, Boy Scouts, school alumni, Shriners, and so forth and so on, all have some kind of insignia or jewelry. In general, these signs of membership are discreet. They are worn amongst people who wear, generally, the same style of clothing, who would otherwise be indistinguishable from one another. Such people emphasize first, that they are more like each other than not, and the jewelry only enables them to signal their 'club membership'.
The hijab (and Burqa), on the other hand, are something like grand scale declarations of membership that emphasize
very large differences. Within their own culture, Muslims are 'like everyone else' around them. In the West, they are signalling a vast difference between them and those around them; they are signalling that they are less like those around them than they are like them. And even if that is not altogether the case, it still comes across that way and immediately creates barriers.
If a Muslim wants to live in the West because, for some reason, they admire or seek benefit from Western culture, then they should signal that they are 'like everyone else' in the larger sense, and restrict their 'club membership' displays to jewelry like other Westerners do. They can dress modestly in a Western style if they like. (In fact, I wish Westerners in general would dress a bit more modestly.) But setting themselves up to emphasize their differences within a culture is just not friendly toward that culture in which they must live. That's a hard fact and Muslims ought to take it into account if they are choosing to live in the West.
Having said all that, I think the same rules should apply to some sects of Jews who wear separatist clothing and hair that make them stand out for their differences more than their similarity to people around them. It's just not part of Western culture to do that. Stick to jewelry. Ditch the beanies, the dangling strings and curls, bizarre hats and so on. Same for any other group that seeks to maintain a distinct and different style of dress because they think it makes them special. The Mormons have a neat trick: they wear their differences UNDER their clothes. The undergarments more or less represent their personal relationship with their God. The key thing is that they are not on public display and do not create differences between people within a larger culture. The other key thing is that one's relationship with their god is a private thing.
My conclusion to these thoughts is that if Muslims, Jews, or whoever,
wish to live in Western societies, they should seek to
emphasize their similarities to those around them and participate in that society to a considerable extent. That is not only for their own comfort, but for the comfort of those around them. If they are not comfortable with Western society in its totality, then they should seek out a society where they are more comfortable. But, as we will see, that is often not possible.
Over the past couple of decades, Western society has been overwhelmed with a flood of Muslim refugees thanks to the aggressive wars of the West itself, mostly at the behest of Zionist Israel. The West is being destroyed by this uncontrolled immigration.
At the same time, the West has suffered internal assaults on its culture, again mostly at the urging of Jewish intellectuals promoting post-modernist ideologies including transgenderism, pedophilia, 'diversity, equity and inclusion' and so on. The West has watched its resources being squandered while its standards of living have gone into the gutter. The Western peoples appear to be unable to check this decline since, once again, Jews (mainly Zionists) and their minions control governments, media, and education either by blackmail or bribes or terror. Elections are now blatantly rigged by those in power so that they stay in power.
And so,
many Muslim refugees and migrants find themselves thrust into Western society by no choice of their own. Gaza is only the latest, and most horrific, case in point.The whole world is now a powder keg just waiting for a spark. It's not okay to say "just send them back where they came from". In the case of Muslims, their homes and lands have been subjected to violence and destruction by the West for decades now. Where do they have to go? The same is true of many other refugees, but the worst case at present is the violence inflicted on Muslims who were perfectly happy to live their lives their way, in their homes, until wars were launched on Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Libya, etc. at the behest of the Zionist Neocons of the USA.
Israel thought they could just eject the Muslims from the Middle East and take over all the land 'from the river to the sea' and that would be that. They thought they could subjugate the West by flooding it with these refugees while they would sit comfortably in their kibbutzes on Mount Zion and lord it over everyone else.
It's not working out that way, however. It's hard to imagine that the planners of this strategy actually thought things through, unless utter chaos was the intended outcome. But what is becoming clear is that it is becoming more and more dangerous to be a Jew these days with millions of Muslim refugees and migrants now scattered throughout the Western nations, unwillingly ejected from their homes, and put under increasing pressure to conform to something that they feel is a violation of all they believe in.
As another commentator pointed out, the migrants that the Zionist neocons flooded the world with, are now after Jewish blood; the Jews demanded the dropping of bombs on their hated enemies, and now those enemies are everywhere the Jews formerly felt safe. What's more, those enemies are now radicalized in the extreme due to the violence that has been inflicted on them and their cultures.
There is a solution to all of this, but it is not one that would be acceptable to the psychopathic Jews and Neocons. The solution would be to fix what we broke so all the Muslims (and other refugees) could go home and live in peace and prosperity as they choose. That would mean, of course, Jews giving up their claim to Palestine and going back to their original homes in the various Western/European countries from whence they issued at the Zionist call. That would mean spending money on fixing things instead of destruction. That's not possible because psychopaths can only destroy; they have no creative impulse. And, at this point in time, is such a solution even possible? Millions of people have been violently killed and ejected from their homes. Millions of psyches have been damaged and radicalized. Anger, betrayal, and grief are a potent mix.
Coming back to the issue of the ban on the hijab. All things considered, I don't think it is a good idea as
it only adds insult to injury. Muslims, as a people, have been dreadfully injured. I may not feel favorably toward hijabs and burqas in general, but they are normal in their culture and they are entitled to their culture and their lands and homes. They always were. It is only those in the West who sought to impose their own norms on other peoples in their homelands, to forcibly eject them from their homes, to force them to enter the West in an effort to destroy their culture, and the whole project is backfiring on the West. Before, the two cultures could always interact and maintain good relations with honor, but they were never meant to intermingle in so intimate a manner. Neither culture is better than the other overall; each is better in one way, and worse in another. But that is even irrelevant since they are entitled to their culture even if I don't find it particularly appealing.
In the end, we have the Jews to thank for all of it: destruction of Muslim society and destruction of Western society.
Reader Comments
The open borders in the West is NOT for freedom and democracy. It is to create the cultural conflicts that will follow and we see it already. The citizens of these Western countries will react without seeing the manipulation that is involved. In other words, immigration in our current time is being used to destabilize ALL of the Western nations.
We will have riots and violence. It is not the burqa or the hijab that is the enemy.
I never thought about it that way and now it is glaringly obvious.
When we realize we have the same problem, the same enemy as the Muslims then maybe both societies could unite and take care of our common problem that is pitting us against each other. Sounds like wishful thinking since ''they'' have all of the means at their disposal, money, medias, governments.
Second, the Muslim families that I am closest to are not from the Middle East. Most of them born and raised right here in semi-rural central Ontario, and other parts of the globe, not the Middle East. Muslims are part of a religion, not a specific race.
Third, I have travelled quite a bit. I have not found a single country where any religion is forbidden. (Have not been to Israel, and do not know if there are any religions except Judaism there.)
No one I ever heard about complained about Catholic nuns wearing complete body coverings. Their religious garments have evolved over the years, yes, but some still wear the traditional habits.
I totally agree with Laura here about fixing countries rather than destroying them, but assuming all people of any religion belong only in one place or region is rather insulting.
People use clothing to categorize without understanding, cultural differences.
Different, morphs into them being the "Others". Hate is the by-product.
There is no harm in that in general and folks ought be allowed to wear whatever garments they desire - just don't go causing harm with the garments giving you favor in that regard and then if the garments hold you back well - twas your own choice to wear said garments.
Really - this is truly simple - and truly - too many rules ruin everything - even the number pi knows that cause in a pi-based mathematical system of numbers pi loses all irrationality and truly pi is a fundamental number of the circle diameter and the circumference of said and the ratio involved and that is NOT irrational - just like it is not irrational to conclude that any lady or any man for that matter ought be able to wear the dress of their own discernment.
There is no need for any "rules" on this and lately the rule-makes are the ones being proven wrong - and oh how wrong they are.
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The issue of falling birth rates perhaps shouldn’t be ignored when questioning why Muslims have been allowed to live in Western countries in such numbers. People of Pakistani heritage make up the majority of Muslims living in the UK and their presence has nothing to do with wars and strife in the Middle East.
Arab women wear head coverings for the same reasons as young girls in the US, they don't go into the tight and dark little streets of the city!
And it's no different from Western culture.
Example.
Why do women nuns in the Catholic Church wear almost identical face coverings? In addition, their hair is cut off after entering the monastery.
And why don't priests in the Catholic Church do the same???
These are some questions to think about, I don't expect answers.
Regards
I guess only you know the difference between these statements :-)
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Dear Laura, what a lack of understanding! :-)
There is a technique that straightens thinking, commonly called "MIRROR"
The trick is to turn your thinking 180 degrees and see if it still works. If it works, it means that he was a reasonable person.
Let's apply this method to an element of your statement.
If I reverse it, I will come to the conclusion that I can go to Arabia and adapt to their culture and customs, and when I meet you there, I can murder you, because there are 14 virgins waiting for me in heaven for this act. Moreover, the act will go unpunished because you will be without a headgear.
As you can see, you need to reflect before writing something.Check the rest of your text this way and you will discover even more funny, selfish and unfounded statements.
Greetings from Poland!
Ah, and one more question to finish.
I'm asking you because you're American.Please tell me why you didn't use this method when raiding the Native Americans?
Were there any major obstacles?
Here is a Moscow Times article about wearing a hijab, scarf. [Link] Quote from a Muslim woman: “Everything changed when I started wearing a hijab. I still had my education, my knowledge of foreign languages and years of professional experience, but people only saw the hijab. For them, this was the look of a terrorist .”
How do we resolve this in a manner that supports peace, cooperation and mutual respect? This is a question for everyone.
In my research into spiritual traditions, I see the burqa and hijab as I see the Pope in his pointed hat or the Orthodox priests waving their incense or the Jews wearing their kippah. It is not their spiritual teaching but simply a "sign" that you follow the Religious rules for your faith. The religious rules are not the spiritual teaching. In fact, it is the dogmatism of religions that creates conflict between peoples.
Too many rules ruin everything?
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Regardless, out of honor of them and the country of Iran - Persia it once was called - I got two Persian rugs in my modest home and I treasure them. They mean a lot to me.
So I treasure the ladies from there as well, but tis up to them how they want to present themselves. Tis their choice.
Simple.
I respect that and don't think it ought be regulated.
At the end of the day - wear what you desire and tis none of the gubments beeswax to tell anybody what they can wear. Bug off you sob's.
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I live in a region infested with Mennonites. The men with their suspender work gear. The women with long skirts, stockings, their hair up with a cap. Quite nice folks easy to get along with.
I remember Sally fields in the Flying Nun. How's that for a rig?
My grandmother wouldn't leave the house without a hat and veil.
Culture and fashion. So long as there are customs and rules that can be relied upon, the variability of expression is rooted deeply. Best to respect this. No other party has the authority to presume itself superior.
When you read a lot, you don't really have time to experience what you read right? I assume everyone agrees with this basic logic(The Good Will Hunting movie was a great example. Guy knew everything about any famous painting, but he never went to see one in real life).
That being said when I mean people here don't hold the aforementioned keys is that they lack an extreme amount of context and especially Laura from whom I have expected more, but to find out she is "bathing" in a pool of ignorance. I suggest you start reading the Qu'ran first Laura, maybe in this way, you might get a better perspective, because your angle is very skewed at the moment. Of course, there are very few points where she is right.
I will quote the specific verse about the Qu'ran which brought all the debate throughout the years about why was the Hijab or Burqa invented. Pay careful attention:
Surah An-Nur (24:31) :
"And tell the believing women to lower their gaze and guard their private parts and not expose their adornment except that which [necessarily] appears thereof and to wrap [a portion of] their headcovers over their chests and not expose their adornment except to their husbands, their fathers, their husbands' fathers, their sons, their husbands' sons, their brothers, their brothers' sons, their sisters' sons, their women, that which their right hands possess, or those male attendants having no physical desire, or children who are not yet aware of the private aspects of women. And let them not stamp their feet to make known what they conceal of their adornment. And turn to Allah in repentance, all of you, O believers, that you might succeed."
Based on the interpretations of many scholars(wrongly or not) the Burqa could fit the description of the Qu'ran, or..not. It is clear that women should cover their heads and also cover their chests with the same cover and not expose themselves but to only the list mentioned. Pay attention to the list except for family and friends, - "or those male attendants having no physical desire".
I will deliver one more verse here:
Surah An-Nur (24:60) :
"And women of post-menstrual age who have no desire for marriage - there is no blame upon them for putting aside their outer garments but not displaying adornment. But to modestly refrain [from that] is better for them. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing."
What? Does the Qu'ran actually say that elderly women, or those who are postmenstrual can not wear any garments?? It actually does.
Do you now get my point? It seems like the Qu'ran is not only very very reasonable, but many of you have been very misinformed, and it also proves many of you have been talking here without actually studying, getting informed, and having a balanced opinion.
YES, the world is a cruel place and it is not an insult to assume men have animalistic tendencies. Go in a big city suburb and walk at night as a woman, heck even on a day, yes many many LOOK, they look at the ass, at the face, the tits, they assess, because as Gurdjieff said -
"Sex plays a tremendous role in maintaining the mechanicalness of life. Everything that people do is connected with ‘sex’: politics, religion, art, theater, and music, are all ‘sex.’ Do you think people go to the theater or to church to pray or to see some new play? That is only for the sake of appearances. The principle thing, in theater as well as in church, is that there will be a lot of women or a lot of men. This is the center of gravity of all gatherings. What do you think brings people to cafés, to restaurants, to various fêtes? One thing only. SEX: it is the principal motive force of all mechanicalness. All sleep, all hypnosis, depends upon it.”
So I do not see the reason why a garment like the Burqa is not a reasonable invention, even if it might be too extremely interpreted by scholars. A covering of any nature is probably more than useful in today's society. It is a protection of purity from impurity - such is the meaning of the Qu'ran. Whatever is pure, whatever already belongs in love, marriage, etc. is not only a form of purity but a form of "chivalry", because the woman has nothing bodily to offer to a stranger for him to see.
But let's come back to this - "or those male attendants having no physical desire"
If you are in a city outside and walking, you cannot make the assumption you know which men have physical desire and which don't. So as safety protection and privacy protection(the purity mentioned above) it is probably a better option to choose a burqa or hijab to cover oneself rather than going out normally uncovered, especially in those times when people were even more animals than usual.
Then what about now? Now it might not be a protection stance, especially in the West, as much as it is a "belonging stance". It is a statement of faith, a statement of purity, of keeping one's private body to oneself. The problem is that with the normalization of sexuality - we do not know what private means anymore. We are restricted to the genitalia, the back, the breasts and that's pretty much it. Well...I do not believe it is like that.
Look at how Western culture evolved - in the 1920s women were wearing really long dresses and to wear a skirt was an abomination, to see the knees? Exactly my point. Whatever was considered private in the past, is now not so private anymore. So tell me, who is the West to actually decide what is private for a woman or not?
I do have another reason - but it doesn't apply to the West. I have been traveling to Saudi Arabia, to Makkah, to Medinah - and I, as a man wore what is called Thawb. A very long dress, and a head cover. The difference between a man and a woman here is that she is only covering her face. The rest, man are covering as well. But guess what - THE HEAT. The heat is extreme out there, and wearing that long covering(thawb) was amazing for me. It ventilated my body, and I could bear the heat. My wife was wearing the whole thing and she was pretty comfortable with it. When we got back home in Europe she said she wished she could wear the garments here as well.
Conclusion? The Middle East is fine and well - their culture is rich and well thought in many context you would criticize. That doesn't mean there aren't a lot of negative points. There are, and many you don't even know or expect. But don't come to Middle East, destroy entire countries, peoples lives making them flee the country as refugees and expect they would change their stance in the "Democratic Europe, which is supposed to accept all cultures and religious ideas and outfits."
Nuns are ok, but burqas are not? Well that surely means societal control - because it is hard to identify anyone if their face is covered. So in the end privacy is not really the goal here.
I recommend everyone to read the Qu'ran. It is not stupid it is not dogmatic nor extreme. The whole of real Sufism is based on it. But it needs a lot of care and attention and proper context. Arabic is a very complex language, interpretation is also very enigmatic. Be very careful. Enjoy.
Nevertheless, when you are a refugee and you come to the West, as I said above because your countries were destroyed and destabilized, the middle ground is very complex. Solutions must be taken in account properly, not only one-sided. Gather Muslim scholars, gather sheykhs, philosophers, and then take the debate on a political-religious level where "ADAB" is taken seriously in consideration to be kind to both parties and not insult everyone.
Another important word here is ADAB - Adab (Arabic: أدب) in the context of behavior, refers to prescribed Islamic etiquette: "refinement, good manners, morals, decorum, decency, humaneness".[1] Al-Adab (Arabic: الآداب) has been defined as "decency, morals".[2]While interpretation of the scope and particulars of Adab may vary among different cultures, common among these interpretations is regard for personal standing through the observation of certain codes of behavior.[3] To exhibit Adab would be to show "proper discrimination of correct order, behavior, and taste."[3]Islam has rules of etiquette and an ethical code involving every aspect of life. Muslims refer to Adab as good manners, courtesy, respect, and appropriateness, covering acts such as entering or exiting a washroom, posture when sitting, and cleansing oneself.
So yea, Laura - this time you were not very informed. Have a good day.
But there's more here. Even a person with no experience, but with a lot of knowledge, should be aware of certain things and not write such ridiculous articles.
And one final note.
I also read the Koran, it is not better than the Bible.
At the beginning of the Quran, the author presents us with theses such as "We are all equal before God", "Let us love each other as brothers."
But at the end the Qur'an says "KILL THE DIFFERENTS"
It's easy to see what the author really meant when you delve into the judiciary.
In their case, during a dispute, everyone presents their arguments in court based on the Koran. Once both sides have presented their arguments, they are checked in a simple way.
Well, there is a rule that what is written later in the Koran is MORE IMPORTANT. Therefore, the person citing the later verse wins the argument.
In this way, it is easy to guess what the intention of this book was and is,
Equality and Brotherhood in the Qur'anThe Qur'an indeed emphasizes equality and brotherhood among all humans.
For example: Equality Before God : "O mankind, indeed We have created you from male and female and made you peoples and tribes that you may know one another. Indeed, the most noble of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous of you. Indeed, Allah is Knowing and Acquainted" (Qur'an 49:13).
Brotherhood : "The believers are but brothers, so make settlement between your brothers. And fear Allah that you may receive mercy" (Qur'an 49:10).These verses and others stress the importance of treating each other with respect and kindness, regardless of differences.
The Perception of Violence
The claim that the Qur'an instructs to "kill the different" is often based on selective reading and misinterpretation of certain verses, usually taken out of context.
One commonly cited verse is:
Verse 9:5 : "And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful."
Contextual Understanding
The above verse, often referred to as the "Sword Verse," is frequently quoted to argue that the Qur'an promotes violence.
However, this interpretation ignores the historical and textual context. Here are a few key points to consider:
Historical Context : This verse was revealed in a specific context where Muslims were under threat and in a state of war with tribes who had violated treaties and attacked them. It was not a blanket command for all times and situations.
Overall Message of the Qur'an : The Qur'an repeatedly emphasizes peace, justice, and mercy. For example, "There is no compulsion in religion" (Qur'an 2:256) and "And if they incline to peace, then incline to it [also] and rely upon Allah. Indeed, it is He who is the Hearing, the Knowing" (Qur'an 8:61).
Conditions for Fighting : The Qur'an permits fighting in self-defense and against oppression but within strict ethical bounds. It condemns transgression and injustice: "And fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed, Allah does not like transgressors" (Qur'an 2:190).
Conclusion: The Qur'an's teachings should be understood as a whole, considering the context of each verse. The principles of equality, justice, and compassion are central to its message. Misinterpretations arise when verses are taken out of their historical and textual context. As with any religious text, comprehensive and contextual reading is essential to understand its true teachings.
Divine scriptures require tremendous effort to be understood on the real level. It's not another book you read like you eat junk food. It needs an open mind and critical mindset in such a way in which when meet with apparent paradoxes, one tries to understand them..
And even to argue against your argument -
At the beginning of the Quran, the author presents us with theses such as "We are all equal before God", "Let us love each other as brothers."
We are all equal before God. This is a statement from God's perspective. That means no one is more special than the other, no one will be void of consequences in the afterlife, and everyone will face an evaluation, an interpretation of their choices when in this world.
But at the end the Qur'an says "KILL THE DIFFERENTS" - this is a manipulation of a statement that is both historical and both a lesson on violence and self-defense.
The Qur'an permits fighting in self-defense and against oppression but within strict ethical bounds. It condemns transgression and injustice: "And fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed, Allah does not like transgressors" (Qur'an 2:190).
As said above - the Quran also says - there is no compulsion in religion.
But you must understand that if you are under attack by someone else and usually in those times it was based more on religion - then you have the right to kill whoever is attacking you.
Maybe you should read it again, and pay clear attention to the verses and their context. Do not cherry pick based on your conviction. Weigh all the verses and see that they are specific for certain cases and general as well.
Really?
Let's test your thesis in a fundamental way. From what I know, the Bible was "discovered" by Josephus, a Jew who claimed to have discovered a long-lost book, interestingly, no one was looking for it and in other books from that time there is no mention of the existence of anything like the "Bible".
Therefore, attributing to this book, "The Word of God"... is an over-interpretation.
I will add that NO ONE KNOWS THE 10 COMMANDMENTS!!
Moses went twice to the mountain to talk to god. The first time he broke the tablets of the commandments, the second time he hid them immediately in the ark of the covenant, which was immediately lost.
NOBODY KNOWS WHAT THE ALLEGED GOD WROTE!
The current 10 commandments as we know them were written by the aforementioned Josephus, and he himself admitted to reading the Bible, which is a historical truth.
Is there something I don't understand my friend??
As for the Koran, I wrote you arguments regarding the understanding of this book, and more specifically its interpretation, which you did not bother to respond to, so I consider it pointless to continue the conversation.
May I just add that the creator of the Quran, Mahommet, did nothing all his life except wage war, his life proves against your claims. When he died and his wife Aisha buried him under their own bed, his uncle took over the war effort.
Have I misunderstood something, my friend?
Quoting you: "As for the Koran, I wrote you arguments regarding the understanding of this book, and more specifically its interpretation, which you did not bother to respond to, so I consider it pointless to continue the conversation. - I literally quoted your points which were a manipulation of the text itself, that was where the root of the conversation is."
Regarding this what you think I avoided, I rendered it out of context -
Quoting you
"It's easy to see what the author really meant when you delve into the judiciary.
In their case, during a dispute, everyone presents their arguments in court based on the Koran. Once both sides have presented their arguments, they are checked in a simple way.
Well, there is a rule that what is written later in the Koran is MORE IMPORTANT. Therefore, the person citing the later verse wins the argument."
That is Western thought mumbo jumbo, merely a theory - a cop-out.
No. It doesn't work like that. The person citing the later verse does not win the argument if the argument is flawed. That is your way of throwing out there a theory for the sake of getting a cop-out, bailing yourself out of the conversation, reducing my "later verse" or arguments to nothing. You created a rule out of thin air to put your stance in a winning position, that is merely foolish and completely irrational.
I was talking verses from the Quran while you were cherry-picking stuff, which you did not even struggle to defend because they lacked a basis in the written reality of the book. You were wrong and you do not seem to admit it. The only violence in the Quran relates to self-defense, especially religious self-defense. Hence - read the book again. There is no killing for fun, nor killing without a reason that is not self-defense.
Quoting you again -
"May I just add that the creator of the Quran, Mahommet, did nothing all his life except wage war, his life proves against your claims."
- Here again you are very very little informed. You have no knowledge of hadiths, you have no knowledge of his life at all. You speak out of your butt to be more frank. His life is one of the most documented lives, if not the most documented lives - make sure to read it out of a clear biography, historical one, not shitty American propaganda. There are many good books if you want to find out about his life, and thousands of pages of Hadiths.
The more you talk, the more you show you lack a lot, and conclude big ideas on very little research. Heck, you can even use chatgpt or a shitty AI that has those collections of hadiths and it will straighten you out. Here, I ll do it for you, and it really helps, when you have an argument online and don't know something, to doublecheck your ignorance.
Q for Chat GPT: Is this correct, in relation to the Prophet doing nothing but wage war? - Here's the quote: "May I just add that the creator of the Quran, Mahommet, did nothing all his life except wage war, his life proves against your claims. "
Reply:
The statement, "the creator of the Quran, Mahommet, did nothing all his life except wage war, his life proves against your claims," is historically inaccurate and misrepresents the life of the Prophet Muhammad. Here are the main issues with this statement:
To provide a historically accurate picture of the Prophet Muhammad's involvement in warfare, it's important to consider the broader context of his life and the early history of Islam. Here are some key points:
Early Life and Mission
Preaching and Early Opposition : Muhammad began receiving revelations and preaching the message of Islam around 610 CE in Mecca. For over a decade, he focused primarily on preaching and inviting people to the new faith, facing significant opposition and persecution from the Quraysh, the dominant tribe in Mecca.
Migration to Medina (Hijra) in 622 CE
Establishing a Community : In 622 CE, Muhammad and his followers migrated to Medina (then known as Yathrib) to escape persecution. This event, known as the Hijra, marks the beginning of the Islamic calendar. In Medina, Muhammad became a political leader and worked on building a cohesive and just community.
Conflicts and Warfare
Defensive Battles : Many of the conflicts Muhammad engaged in were defensive in nature. The early Muslims faced continued hostility from the Quraysh of Mecca. Key battles include:
Battle of Badr (624 CE) : This was the first major battle between the Muslims and the Quraysh. Despite being outnumbered, the Muslims won.
Battle of Uhud (625 CE) : This battle resulted in a setback for the Muslims, with significant casualties.
Battle of the Trench (627 CE) : The Muslims successfully defended Medina from a large Quraysh-led coalition by digging a trench around the city.
Treaties and Diplomacy : Muhammad also engaged in diplomacy to secure peace and alliances. The Treaty of Hudaybiyyah (628 CE) was a pivotal peace agreement between the Muslims and the Quraysh, allowing for a ten-year truce.
Conquest of Mecca (630 CE) : The peace treaty was eventually violated by the Quraysh, leading to the Muslims' march on Mecca. The city was taken with minimal bloodshed, and Muhammad declared a general amnesty.
Later Life
Unification of Arabia : After the conquest of Mecca, Muhammad focused on consolidating and expanding the Muslim community across the Arabian Peninsula. His approach combined diplomacy, treaties, and sometimes military expeditions against tribes that posed threats or resisted unification.
Broader Contributions
Legal and Social Reforms : Muhammad introduced significant legal and social reforms, including rights for women and orphans, abolition of certain inhumane practices, and establishment of principles of justice and charity.
Spiritual Teachings : Muhammad's primary mission was to deliver the message of the Quran, guiding spiritual and ethical conduct.ConclusionWhile warfare was a significant aspect of Muhammad's later life, it was not the entirety of his existence.
His leadership encompassed religious, social, and political dimensions, aiming to establish a just and cohesive society based on the principles revealed in the Quran. It's important to recognize the diverse roles he played and the broader historical context to understand his life and mission accurately.
Muhammad's life was multifaceted, involving significant periods of peaceful teaching and community building. War and conflict were parts of his life, but they were not his sole activities.
A more accurate and respectful version could be:"May I just add that the Prophet Muhammad, the founder of Islam, was involved in various activities throughout his life, including both peaceful preaching and leading in times of conflict. His life encompassed much more than warfare."
And this is a very short historical account that is much more accurate than your formless and valueless comment.
Even an AI can outclass you in wisdom, with fact-checked history which is more complex than your comment: "did nothing but wage war" - it is your ignorance and oversimplification and lack of knowledge that will get you nowhere and make you look like a fool.
So yes, there are many things you do not understand, my friend. And shame on you for lying straight in our faces with misinformation such as the one mentioned above. Read and research. Learn not to be an ignorant that oversimplifies matters for his own confirmation biases.
Also,
Let's test your thesis in a fundamental way. From what I know, the Bible was "discovered" by Josephus, a Jew who claimed to have discovered a long-lost book, interestingly, no one was looking for it and in other books from that time there is no mention of the existence of anything like the "Bible".
Therefore, attributing to this book, "The Word of God"... is an over-interpretation.
Maybe it is not.
Maybe, just maybe if you would understand the gist of the book and live by it, you would understand that as Quran says that "Nothing compares to God" and that there is a possibility that God, the Ultimate Reality can actually reveal itself in the form of a complete work for mankind. But you are too full of yourself to even grasp the spiritual reality of the book. How can you in your mental selfishness and error-attitude be able to even have a comment on it then?
Good day, my friend
Good luck!
We have to understand that the 9/11 false flag was used to demonize Islam and identify them as "terrorists" throughout the world. Thus the "war on terror" was spawned leading to the attack on Iraq and the removal of Ghadaffi in Libya.
When you understand that "terrorism" was engineered by the CIA/MI6/Mossad, then you understand that many of our attitudes toward Islam have been created by this psyop. My first visit to the Temple Mount was after 9/11 and I felt uncomfortable and fearful of being around these "foreign" human beings. Divide and conquer has been used for centuries.
That's why I didn't like it that a man with such knowledge of the facts would draw such false conclusions!!
I had similar feelings while reading the above article.
I have never used this technology, but now I recognize it very easily, thank you!
I don't know about you, but I'm seriously leaving this forum
I can also enlist a collection of books if that's what you enjoy more. Do not pretend you are better and wiser, you're using the Internet, which is just another technology. The gist of discernment is still your duty.
You were wrong and I presented you clear facts, upon your deliberate lie that Muhammad did nothing but wage war. It shows how little you were informed of the fact and that your pride is bigger than your wisdom.
Because artificial comments can be somehow explained, but posting mechanically generated articles is a self-desecration.
He didn't even notice that my post wasn't addressed to him!!
Well, maybe you'll understand?
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I aint' gonna bother translating, because you see to fly away from a conversation that has basis, and you become nothing but toxic like many users here on sott, well I hope you'll become a mature person in the future, if its not too late
good day
“THE DREAM THAT MUST BE INTERPRETED
This place is a dream.
Only a sleeper considers it real.
Then death comes like dawn,
and you wake up laughing
at what you thought was your grief.
But there's a difference with this dream.
Everything cruel and unconscious
done in the illusion of the present world,
all that does not fade away at the death-waking.
It stays,
and it must be interpreted.
All the mean laughing,
all the quick, sexual wanting,
those torn coats of Joseph,
they change into powerful wolves
that you must face.
The retaliation that sometimes comes now,
the swift, payback hit,
is just a boy's game
to what the other will be.
You know about circumcision here.
It's full castration there!
And this groggy time we live,
this is what it's like:
A man goes to sleep in the town
where he has always lived, and he dreams he's living
in another town.
In the dream, he doesn't remember
the town he's sleeping in his bed in. He believes
the reality of the dream town.
The world is that kind of sleep.
The dust of many crumbled cities
settles over us like a forgetful doze,
but we are older than those cities.
We began
as a mineral. We emerged into plant life
and into animal state, and then into being human,
and always we have forgotten our former states,
except in early spring when we slightly recall
being green again.
That's how a young person turns
toward a teacher. That's how a baby leans
toward the breast, without knowing the secret
of its desire, yet turning instinctively.
Humankind is being led along an evolving course,
through this migration of intelligences,
and though we seem to be sleeping,
there is an inner wakefulness
that directs the dream,
and that will eventually startle us back
to the truth of who we are.”
― Rumi, The Essential Rumi
I will stop here because I thought my information could actually put some light on your erroneous thinking, nevertheless I wish you all the best and I hope you find the path you are looking for, because death is inevitable and something else awaits us. Take care and wish you all the good health, wisdom and may God be with you. Goodbye
You wrote all this in 30 seconds!? Unbelievable!:-))))
But what do you prefer, answer finally...women or men? ;-)
Seriously dude - you are trolling now, which is akin to 5 year olds. Act like your age. I specified way above I was with my wife in Medinah - I have a wife. Which of course you didn't bother to read, because that's how you are. You never read the whole thing. You never listen to the other.
Quit your pride and selfishness - it will catch you when you become older
means something very precise, and jph did note for us to requires humility KRB
ALL TALK!!
Get yourself some 👟👟👟👟👟👟👟👟👟 (WALKERS) and DO something emotion-filled that actually betters our species.
RECEIVE (listen) is Matriarch.
Those who don't remain empty and ragged regardless of the volumes they read and write (patriarch).
Qué Séra, Séra....
bankrupt RACE to the bottom.
You have incredible abilities, one day time exists, the next it doesn't. One day you predict the killing of a king using astrology, and the next you deny such possibilities:-))))))
You are unreliable, my dear :-)
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🙌
2 ears to listen
2 eyes to see
2 nostrils to smell
2 hands to give & receive
1 mouth (normally gives/talks too much because it doesn't kiss enough aka give& receive).
FEW KINGS DID KICK THE BUCKETS AT THAT SAID PRE-SENT 🎁TIME
(atleast you pay me some attention 😋, albeit selective attention span, which is better than most). 😘
👂👀👂
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💋
🙌
2 ears to listen
2 eyes to see
2 nostrils to smell
2 hands to give & receive
1 mouth (normally gives/talks too much because it doesn't kiss enough aka give& receive).
FEW KINGS DID KICK THE BUCKETS AT THAT SAID PRE-SENT 🎁TIME
(atleast you pay me some attention 😋, albeit selective attention span, which is better than most). 😘
AHHH!! Can't get my art right 🎃
He performs a function there that is comparable to a king.
But that's not what's interesting.
If you claim that you only have forecasts, it means that your constant chatter on the forum means as much as a TV forecast.
Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't... so all you do is talk empty.
You ignore the fact that you are already getting confused in the explanations... because even FOR FORECASTS... you need the TIME parameter.
btw, I am a very inspired critter, not run-of-the-mill type, but never once in my life have I been called 'unreliable' that'll cost you one.
Trying so hard to attract attention costs a lot. I won't give you this comment because I know the rules and I know what you mean.
You are wasting your energy in vain. You have to give more and more and you receive less and less.
You know where this path leads....
I know you pay attention.
There were more, 1 right before and another male right after.
You sweetheart are very qualified in rhetoric.
:@)))
How big is your mind? How does venus work against parasites?
Simple.
Bans never work because whatever it is they are trying to ban must be there for a reason and the effort to ban something suggests you think laws are followed.....even if they make no sense. Well guess what - that makes no sense - it makes no sense to ban anything.
who is going to enforce this ban and what are they going to do - drag a lady into jail and strip her of her cover?
That is bs.
Let the ladies choose for themselves the attire they desire.
DUH!
For you or for me, it doesn't make sense.
Unfortunately, for the authorities, prohibitions are the basic tool for performing their function. Bans are the stick and medals are the carrot.
In Poland there is a proverb "If not with a stick, then with a carrot"... if there is no similar proverb in your country, I will explain.
To sum up, from their point of view, BANS ALWAYS WORK!
Consider "prohibition" of alcohol in that regard - all it did was better organize entities who chose to provide what folks desired.
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As for a lady choosing apparel, let her choose for herself is what I think, but she ought consider the place where she is at, and that should be a factor in her considerations.
Yes, and tis was a goal..
In fact, the reality is the KGB doesn't exist anymore - and while Putin may have came up in ranks, I think he recognized the entity for what it was - sort of "Stasi" in action, and ironic how the West is behind the signs of the times and adopting said ideology - so really sad it is a circus KNY.....
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The UK is toast, NATO as well, and those in the BRICS community are up and coming and the folks in Africa forming Confederacies based upon principle resolute I hope make good sense to me and let the ladies wear what they desire....a lady's desire is not to be refuted.
Prohibitions are one of the tools of power, whether secular or ecclesiastical.
A well-used tool will function as expected by the person using it.
If used incorrectly, the tool will not work or will function incorrectly.
PS> Russia also has a political and religious system.They also use this tool.
The difference is in how well you use it. If you tighten the screw too much, the thread will break
I just think it is sad the circus world we are living in, but you know I have expressed my views and I stand behind them - I suspect in most matters we concur, but the devil is in the details and there always is nuance.
Best to you I say seriously,
Ken
Children need boundaries, but adults ought know better is what I think....
I'm sick of all the harm and I think peace is on the way and I hope the ladies in france who want to wear a Burqa get to choose for their own selves.
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By the way, why does the word "Burqa" get an exception to the "rule" that after a "q" there must be a "u"?
Answer that if you want to keep talking bout this - I think they ought get to choose what they want for themselves and those push their ideology on others full of false narrative need to take a hard steady look in the mirror and ask themselves: Am I a puppet?
They know neither themselves nor their own abilities, and they care little about the fate of others. Most of today's politicians are children brought up without a ban :-)
"By the way, why does the word "Burqa" get a exception to the "rule" that after a "q" there must be a "u"?"
I dont know. I speak english in basic mode:-)
If you're referring to women, it's a slightly different issue.When I look at modern women, I see that they WANT TO BE A PUPPET!
The perfect BARBIE! But BARBIE is a doll, a marionette.
So if this is what women want... then what am I supposed to say here??
(ha, ha....
Peace to you,
Ken
2-1-2 ....and really Poland deserves better.
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I seem to recall it was you or perhaps another poster from Poland who reminded me about the "slight" given to Poland in London after the end of the WWII, and in a way this is not independent of the Burqa considerations on this article.
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Lets give it a rest - shall we?
That is a fair question.
"did you realize your post would trigger this sort of response and did the author also realize as such?"
You have had enough hugs today - ha, ha....but I appreciate your sentiment and I consider you somebody with strong will and that is important....and I'm not kissing up to you KGB or not, but well.....I shot the Sherriff but I didn't kill the Deputy...
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He says it was in "self-defense", but I'm not sure he is speaking truly - being truth is subjective in the moment, but in time after time passes - then lies get exposed regardless of narrative - cause us humans - we ain't dimwit dipshits are we? I don't think so....not my family.
My advice to you is not to respond to this..your choice of course
Whatever - the truth will be revealed and it won't be Linda telling the truth - she is living in fantasy land and she has proven that she is not a friend to be trusted.
How much you want to bet she responds to this?
sott has the notoriety of being a truth promoting website but oh boy it does not stay truly openminded almost all of the time.
just because sott is criticzing the west, it does not make russia the guys all of a sudden, and many other counter opposites.
conclusion? I believe one should start on the path with knowledge and end on it with experience.
I like sott for their news compilations, but their personal opinions lately are very slow and not so much in sync with the moving times, as they used to be in the past.
the C's promised year zero for a long time now, the signs of the times are due a long time(of course relating to the C concept and Laura's narratives).
i do believe we are approaching something else tho, one big judgement day, where reality will crumble into something.
my statement above stands about the burqas and islam. Many people are very very badly informed and everyone s shouting opinions like John Rambo on a bad day with his machinegun😊
take care buffken
I got one platinum coin it has an image of the dead queen upon it.....I could have it hand, but I've saved it for safe keeping.
You take care as well - it is sort of a fine way to communicate when one is talking with another departing to say "take care"....so I appreciate that.
Here - this is some good music of the times in a way....and I wonder....what does the Koran say in regards to "Justified Retribution" - does it speak to that concept? I suspect it does, but I don't know for sure....maybe one day there will not be so many rules and that is the day I look forward to being too many rules just ruin everything....
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But to make rules about this sort of thing is not the way of the future.
[Link] - I don't know if this link has merit, but I think it might.
Dark times we live within: [Link]
Ok now - let's come back to the rules thingy. In order to get a glimpse of why rules are so important, just as there are laws that even Gurdjieff was talking about - you have to understand or at least question who/what are you? What is all this? Try to not offer an explanation but to awaken to this state of "I AM HERE", and not try to label what you sense - a tree is not a tree, your hands are not your hands, these are merely words that create a small prison of identification.
But just try to be here and to realize you are truly...here. It's a strange strange feeling that we are here, we are actually here hahahaha and we don't really know what this is. We call it Reality as best as possible, because universe does not cut it. When you already said Universe, you created a separation, you made it material.
But Reality - it is hard to grasp what the substance really is if there is one. It is as if Reality belongs more to
Projection, to something immaterial, something that is film like, but not solid.
Once we realize organically, that we are in a Reality, then we start to remember. Gurdjieff called is Self Remembering, J Bennet after he went to the Middle East and met with the Daghestani Sufis realized that what in Islam we call Dhikr, or Remembering Allah is basically the same thing, but Gurdjieff didn't want to put focus on God, because he was mainly training and teaching atheists, intellectual people who hated or found the word God problematic.
Now once one remembers that he is in God, as in God is the Ultimate Reality, not the Universe, but in God(so not pantheistic, nor panentheistic, but more like Ibn Arabi's Monism), one starts to realize he is subject to God and God only and as the most famous quote in Islam - LA ILAHA ILALAH - THERE IS NO GOD...BUT GOD.
This is making it easier for the spiritual journey for anyone to understand that there is NOTHING ELSE BESIDES GOD, that makes GOD ALL THERE IS. So the Question arises - if GOD IS ALL THERE IS - then there is NO US, BUT WE ARE NOT GOD.
Now, one remembers GOD. And that brings the ultimate freedom. One realizes his mechanicalness and constant identification with everything and for a glimpse one is completely free.
What then makes us free? What do we have to do to attain that constant freedom? well... sorry to break it for you, but Rules. God in His Might has Set Rules for this part of Reality we are in. You get Day, You get a Night, you get Seasons, You get pretty much a big set of rules.
So how does this translate to our subjectivity>? Well, by following rules - you actually free yourself, because guess what - the EGO doesn't need rules, it reigns and is king in the No-rule territory, it does not want to Submit, it Does not Want to realize that he is just DUST and NOTHING compared to GOD so he always rebells.
This is why in Islam we pray 5 times a day and even more, on schedule clocks in relation to the Seaons and the Sun. Because if we were to do it by ourselves, the EGO would swamp us easily. So everytime we pray, we surrender, we realize we are NOTHING, and for a small glimpse of time we BECOME NOTHING.
BUT IN THAT NOTHING, LIES EVERYTHING - one you gave up, you become PART OF THE PICTURE, and that PICTURE IS THE WHOLE OF THE ULTIMATE REALITY - So one truly lives in GOD.
Now we have to distinguish between societal rules and spiritual rules, spiritual discipline and practice and revelation. The Quran is a powerful book, full of miracles, but no one actually delves into them. There are websites dedicated to Quran Miracles, where there are secrets and visions, and numerology and knowledge that was not possible at that time. The Qu'ran if you did not know this is an entire piece of poetry. It contains new language it did not have at that time, new usage of language that baffled the arabs from a supposedly
illiterate regular person - Muhammad PBUH. The expansion of the Universe is mentioned in the Quran, 1400 earlier than the current scientific discoveries.
"The heavens, We have built them with power. And verily, We are expanding it" (51:47).
There are hundreds of such verses with hidden information, and they are all miraculous in nature. But no one, absolutely no one talks about them in the West. The West is suppressing this information constantly and no one bothers researching.
So we do follow the rules in Islam, and especially in Sufism(I belong to a Sufi Order), and there is a great explanation for each of them. Prayer, Charity, Good Deeds, Watchfulness and Alertness, Discernment, Adab(Etiquette and Manners), Pilgrimage, Sincerity.
The mystical dimension of Islam, even known by many Muslims on a wide scale, is much more deeply profound than you could imagine.
It is the ultimate tool of perfecting oneself, despite the misinformation one has about Islam.
Take care,
To set the record straight what I have stated is So that presumes that some rules make good sense. For example: don't lie, don't steal, and don't kill . Those seem to be some simple sort of premise of rules, that I think we all ought be able to agree upon....funny ain't it in a way - funny and sad, that these simple and evident "rules" are broken so much these days.
Also, I think the concept of " Justified Retribution " would merit an article of its own just to discuss. Based on reading your post, it seems we don't have the same "definition" in our minds of the term.
Regards,
BK
I've done so elsewhere already and maybe opportunity will present itself later if need be.
Regards,
BK
Simply correcting false information.
Insult as much as you want, the truth is out there and we will all have to face it one day or another.
take care
Zajmij się pięknem i poezją wojny 13-letniej, kiedy Mahomet wyżynał wszystkich współbraci , którzy nie chcieli przyjąć nowej religii ... a ty masz jeszcze czelność mówić do mnie "bracie"... gówniarz!
Im się nie będzie chciało tłumaczyć, zatem możesz dalej , jak głupiec, sprzedawać co Ci się podoba... nie wtrącam się w twoją zabawę, jak widzisz. A mógł bym napisać wiele ponieważ studiowałem historię.
Ale nie tak jak ty, ja nie zaciągałem danych z internetu podczas pisania pracy magisterskiej. Inaczej wyrzucili by mnie z egzaminu.
you cannot accept you were wrong so you are met with cognitive dissonance. You simply cannot accept no one waged war without being threatened and constantly attacked, because you never bothered to read history. You took ideas from the internet, read piece of info here and there and you think you concluded.
You are my brother, but you choose to remain ignorant. Do not worry, ignorance will be lifted in time.
There is no hate here, but when there is wrong thinking one must stand corrected.
are you not a supporter of facts and truth? If you are THEN RESEARCH, get over your PRIDE and READ.
Read again, you must have lost yourselve somewhere on the way. The historical facts are there and the context is pretty clear. But if you deny that, than that is your own problem/delusion
Be full of hate, you will surely wont solve any of the worlds problems😉
Absolutely 0 argumentation.
"As I wrote, you're in the wrong place, because I know history,"
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Short for - I know history, therefore you are wrong
You literally sounded like Trump, or even worse, like a 5 year old.
get a life dude
You fool, i never asked anyone to believe me, as I even keep saying to you - go fins the right books and read for fucks sake. Read read read. Verify.
all you did is come and say your opinion with no basis in reality, i came with facts anyone can verify and you keep attacking.
go HOME, you are tired!
Read your books before you make a shame of yourself.
Take care, brother, i wish you all the good health and love and care. May you find comfort and peace in your journeys and forgive me for making you a fool and ignorant. I do hope you will get your facts right.
Bye
Teraz zrozumiałeś o czym mówię?
take care, i will stop replying for real. I will ignore you while wishing you the best.
I apologized to him for making him an ignorant as he was that, denying straight historical facts.
Then i made him a fool after trolling me.
Then i apologized
I mever claimed I was perfect in my behavior and it is an ongoing process to be patient and learn to be calm especially with trollers.
Do not expect that if someone read the Quran, all of a sudden is a saint. I know my sins and mistakes.
You are no longer credible. The only thing you wrote yourself was cliché, lectures and offensive words.
OK - is that ok with you?
An extraordinary contribution you make. Merciiii
A powerful read you are mainly because you come from a place of heart and integration.
Discipline & Focus = liberty.
Big insults, small peeps.
Live n Learn.....
I do stand for the truth and basic facts and proper context and I do stand against misinformation.
I do not want anyone to believe me - hence I keep advising and encouraging everyone to research and read.
I presented simple historical facts to a polish man here who afterwards trolled me if i like men or women for 5-6 times.
Is that normal? The mockery?
In my view, the sufi's Hafiz, Rumi, Kabir, Ibn Arabi give the love centeredness of Islam. They talk of the "presence" or what Gurdjieff calls "self-remembering". Everyone has experienced it, they just do not give the value that it deserves. They see it as imagination, an accident, not real.
In orthodoxy it is The Holy Ghost coming upon the man, so forth and so on.
so many names!
some real good comments.
excess verbiage is a problem of the scholars and the intellectuals and the well-trained. the managers, who over-manage. the explainers who over-explain.
i could write more, but i won't.
outta here.
ned...
....is ded
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I got no idea if this is fair in presentation and most likely tis biased, but I present it here in efforts for good communication and lets us truly know - let us sense this together - translation is not an easy task, but if communication is going to improve, then translation must as well I reckon. [Link]
I'm sure there are better links to get an unbiased translation and I hope that occurs cause I respect all faiths.
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With that said what matters to me now the most is the peppers up and coming I got growing in my garden and I hope the ladies in France who want to wear Burqas are free to do as such if they so desire - just don't go blowing anything up under cover of a Burqa and then most likely everybody will concur that you ought have the freedom to express yourself however you desire.
It is extremely rare and not widely practiced or mandated for women to wear the burka inside their own homes. Typically, the expectation of wearing such garments applies only when women are in public or in the presence of non-mahram (unrelated) men. Within the privacy of their homes and among family or other women, the requirement does not hold.
Certain countries and regions, such as Afghanistan under the Taliban regime, have had very strict dress codes for women, enforcing the burka in all public spaces. Even in these cases, the rules did not extend to the private home environment.
Research, read, and discern. America and the West have done a TREMENDOUS job at desecrating and painting a terrifying and unrealistic image of the Middle East. I had to find that the hard way - from researching Islam, to going to the Middle East only to find out the West had been LYING about EVERYTHING.
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After today's performance, thanks to the SOTT editorial team, I know everything I need to know.
I remember an article by Joe Quinn and notice there is a "u" after the "q" in that spelling, and in the article - it dealt with the plane shot down with a bunch of Canadians heading to Ukraine and this shit happened a long time ago, but twas then I first met Linda.
Now I know so much more and guess what -
I play to win.
“The mind does nothing but talk, and ask questions, and search for meanings . The heart, does not talk, does not ask questions, does not search for meanings, it silently moves towards God and surrenders itself to Him. The mind is Satan’s lawyer, while the heart is God’s servant. ”
St.Francis of Assisi
Arrogance vs Humility today. This guy is good and never brings in personal stories, as he happened to today, just TALKed more. (Mercury/Jup aspect). Today clicks in a lucky 7, 14, 21, even 28 year cycle. Think back those years, and choose DIFFERENT
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AND HOW did the Bikini come about 👙👙👙
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According to the Qu'ran and Islamic tradition, there is the event of 2 angels sent to Babylon, Harut and Marut.
The primary reference to Harut and Marut is found in the Quran, Surah Al-Baqarah (2:102). It describes how these two angels were sent to test the people and to teach them about magic. However, they warned people that they were a test, and practicing what they taught would lead to disbelief
Despite their warnings, some people misused their knowledge for personal gain, particularly in creating discord between married couples. The angels' role was to serve as a trial to distinguish the faithful from those who would fall into temptation and misuse the knowledge. They followed what the devils gave out (falsely of the magic) in the lifetime of Solomon. Solomon did not disbelieve, but the devils disbelieved, teaching men magic and such things that came down at Babylon to the two angels, Harut and Marut, but neither of these taught anyone (such things) till they had said, 'We are only for trial, so disbelieve not (by learning this magic from us).'"
One of these magic tricks was astrology . There are secrets hidden in the movements of stars and planets, and what we are given in relationship to God and worship are only the seasons, the lunar movements, and the position of the sun in relation to Earth. The rest are not our business to assess. The secrets are never used in good intent - because the nature of the human is to be limited, and that also to himself. The selfishness is present even in a indirect intention to do good paradoxically enough.
One who is free from desire and only with his heart towards God does not need know the future, or near by events. One is free regardless of what comes and keeps to God. The usual tendency for knowing the future, or astrological events and their meaning comes from curiosity, and curiosity can come from worry, from hidden insecurity, uncertainty, fear which in the end posits to our big usual lack of faith in God and that whatever comes we will face with Love and Freedom.
Take care!
You cannot p me off
Astrology way back was called astronomy. It does not predict it shows the present, (as time does not exist.)
It (that video) Bryan certainly clearly shows what is going on here this morning.
Btw, We are the puppets on the 🌟⭐️🌟 strings and are meant to shine not remain maladroit.
As for faggot bullies Linda - you ought know.
Stonehenge builders had geometry skills to rival Pythagoras
Stone Age Britons had a sophisticated knowledge of geometry to rival Pythagoras - 2,000 years before the Greek "father of numbers" was born, according to a new study of Stonehenge. Five years of...As for Burqa's is it agreed amongst those of us with minds of our own that it makes no sense to regulate the apparel a women wears?
I sure hope so.
BK
The hijab is not only a totally ineffective measure against lust (99% of Egyptian women have been harassed according to a UN report, even in Mecca hijabi women are harassed), not only a symbol of cultural replacement (aka slow genocide), it is also objectively harmful to women as the following article should make clear: [Link]
The reason why banning the hijab would be perceived as an insult would reveal why the hijab isn't about faith at all: slave women, EVEN IF they are muslims, are not allowed to wear the hijab, according to islamic law they can even be naked. Therefore outlawing it would make muslims feel like their women are reduced to the status of slave women who can be paraded naked, and it would reveal that islam doesn't see anything inherently wrong with being naked in public.
A solution more realistic than outlawing hijab would be this: that the unmanipulated islamic texts, doctrines and speeches be exposed and discussed candidly in the media so that people understand what islam is.
Read the Quran, read the hadiths, read the Sira, read fiqh and aqidah books, read what muslims, ex-muslims and critics of islam have said, read history books, understand the overarching spirit of islam, fully immerse yourself in all of that, and you'll understand why the issue is bigger than "long nose people bad", and that the stance that islam has been unfairly maligned is a hopelessly tired cliché far removed from any reality.
Outlawing hijab would be an insult to them, but what isn't an insult? Not allowing street prayers? Allowing criticism of islam? Serving pork? Wearing a cross? A french flag? All of those are perceived as insults. You don't understand the psychology of islam which is extremely STS-oriented overall, in your terminology. It's not about mutual benefits or objective introspection.
You say it's not okay to say "just send them back where they came from", that their homes and lands have been subjected to violence and destruction by the West for decades. A number of them also subject our countries to violence and destruction, but no, nobody forced them to come. Some people entice them, and they accept the offer. They come of their own free will mostly for three reasons: they think they will conquer the place through birth rates, they like the economic incentive and they won't tell you this but they also enjoy the "looser morals" here. Some of them are also basically fleeing islam.
Jews giving up their claim to Palestine will happen at the same time muslims give up their claim to world domination. People don't just give up holy texts that tell them they will rule the world.
I'm sorry but this article shows a regrettable trend among conspiracy researchers: laser-focused on zionism, mistaken assumption that islam is somehow more innocent. We had severe issues with muslim immigrants in european countries long before the "refugee crisis" was a thing. Decades before, all the signs were already there that this would end terribly for everyone involved. No, in a number of cases, muslims do use intimidation and peer pressure to make other people convert or conform to their way of life, in schools, prisons, neighborhoods etc. You can find tons of muslims being very explicit about their plan to conquer and convert westerners. Islam is not about staying in your lands, it is about expanding your territories. As an ex-convert to islam, who spent years studying it, who did everything I possibly could to respect islamic culture above my own, I couldn't disagree more vehemently with that assertion. Western culture is infinitely better in all areas, artistic, ethical, theological, philosophical, architectural, scientific...This cultural relativism toward the end of this article is the part with which I disagree the most, and very puzzling.
It's difficult to 'convert' when one isn't claiming a prior religious affiliation, but what I had learned about biblical history during my Protestant Christian upbringing was entirely enlightened upon reading Dawood's translation of the Holy Quran. [Link]
I don't have an issue with the fundamental beliefs espoused in the Quran any more or less than I have issue with those of the Bible (It's the hadith's which mess things up). Judaism, Christianity and now Islam all state that the whole world will come to believe what they believe - or else.
So who has conquered more peoples to date? I suppose the answer differs depending on which history you are reading.
At the end of the day there really isn't much that the 'major religions' can offer me. The '10 Commandments' not withstanding (great movie for its time), texts from all three religions are a social control mechanism reflecting slightly different ideologies but urging that these differences become the reason for war and strife.
To heck with the lot. I found God in the woods and wilds of Canada many decades ago and it was only my desire to understand our understanding that lead me to 'religion' in the first place.
Megwich!
Western culture is infinitely better in philosophy? Seriously? Post-modernism and nihilism? I hope you are joking. The Western Culture is choking right now in it's dead end philosophies. Which western philosophy really talks about the soul and the levels of this reality? Which Western philosophy has any true mystical/methapphysical aspects? Minimalistic Arhitecture? or what? How can you deny the intricacies of the Mosques and their mathematical precision like the Mosques of Iran, Isfahan Lotfollah mosque ceiling, or even art in general. Seriously?
Art especially in music with the hyperevolved microtonalities like the basic Western scale prison to only 12 notes. WAKE UP! You do sound like you got some agnostic/atheistic tendencies in here, but this is a grain of salt and probably a very wrong assumption
Western Culture especially nowadays has killed God, in all its forms and ideas. So don't come out spread misinformation like that, just because you got tired of doing real work. - Prayer, Sincerity, Charity, Pilgrimage, Humility and so forth and so on. Don't let your EGO rule over you. Do you really believe the UN that easily? The UN is the literal whore of the West. This is absolutely ridiculous, and you know how? Because you didn't even spend time to understand how such a statistic works.
There is another ridiculous statistic made by West as well which says there is a huge percentage of women entering in unwanted marriages. How do you ACTUALLY prove that? :))
Do they go to every single married women and ask her - hey do you enjoy your marriage? Do they actually do this in the whole of Islam? DO you even think the Egyptian state would even approve of a country wide statistic about if they were harrassed? Imagine that 99% of women actually reply to that statistic, millions of women doing it - do you imagine the absurdity of such an information? People barely vote everywhere on this planet, but they to round up like crazy for statistics?
I beg you to use your logic and rationality to realize the statistics are done on an extremely small sample of women then they make mathematical predictions. That cannot be more wrong. It's like going into USA and taking surveying 100 people if they are tired and then concluding 99% percent of people are tired.
Please understand the machinations of the West trying to impose their normality in cultures that have nothing to do whatsoever with the West. Please, I beg you.
I stayed in Mecca my friend - almost every day you got a million people going to the Kaba, thousands of guards, and you barely have space to move. Trust me, there is no space and time for harassment lol.
Be careful with Dawood and all Quran authors. Take a look a bit into Tafsir and a bit of basic Arabic because their root language composure is very interesting. There are many many meanings to a simple word because of its root. Check the Root system and try to understand it a bit, it is quite simple, and from there on not only you will discover that the Quran is 100 fold more nuanced and complex but also more beautiful. This is double sided - You gotta try it before you can comment on it. Try praying 5 times, try doing as much good deed as possible, charity, be kind to your parents(this is one of the biggest Quran motives), and be aware of God. There is a term called Ihsan - doing everything "beautifully" - as even if you do not see God, know that God Sees you. It is a wakefulness state.
It is simple to see that the discipline these religions entailed were taken into opportunity by people who were corrupted. Hence the double sidedeness - if a corrupt group takes those religious practices and transforms them into a social tool, yes they become the danger they are. But taking away the group that wants to control - what remains are the practices - which lead one to God. War and strife are the results of the control group, not the results of actually practicing the scriptures as they are written. But one needs to ponder - not take everything literal, learn the context and be as close as possible to it.
Beware of the Ego, the ego will try to easily manipulate you in cherry picking your efforts making you think you become spiritual. This is very descriptive of the Spiritual Materialism we live in nowadays. "Ah I don't like that part, so I won't do it because I don't see the point". This is not the gym where you can only work your abs - it is precisely like Gurdjieff entailed - working on all three centers. Research Islam and religions, try to understand their logicality and how it works(Intellectual), Prayer and closeness of the Heart(Emotional), doing charity and good deeds(Physical+Intellectual+Emotional).
It's like expecting that if one is Muslim, one doesn't have the task to fulfill his position as a Muslim. It is a big NO. You are Muslim and you have to be a good person. That is what Islam is promoting.
Harassment, Rape, murder, and everything else is un-Islamic. That is human animalistic nature. So yeah, religions have no fault in this. Humans and their free will and responsibility have. - You are again extremely wrong and you seem to not do your homework. I suppose your research on Islam was very shallow.
Here's the very important verse you seemed to have skipped -
Surah Al-Baqarah - 256
Let there be no compulsion in religion, for the truth stands out clearly from falsehood.
Even the Qu'ran is clearly stating no one should oblige anyone to convert, that there is no compulsion in it. SO don't blame Islam or categorize it wrongly - Islam is NOT about expanding your territories .
Humans do that , humans who went astray from the real gist of the religion, Humans who fell into SIN AND GREED AND POWER. It has NOTHING to do with ISLAM.
As an analogy it's like saying that Christianity is about being obese, just because half of the Christian population in America is obese. That is absolutely ridiculous thinking and logic over there sir.
I suggest YOU read the Qu'ran once again before lying and spreading more misinformation.
Surah An-Nur (24:31):" And tell the believing women to lower their gaze and guard their private parts and not expose their adornment except that which [necessarily] appears thereof and to wrap [a portion of] their headcovers over their chests and not expose their adornment except to their husbands, their fathers, their husbands' fathers, their sons, their husbands' sons, their brothers, their brothers' sons, their sisters' sons, their women, that which their right hands possess, or those male attendants having no physical desire, or children who are not yet aware of the private aspects of women."
Surah Al-Ahzab (33:59):"O Prophet, tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to bring down over themselves [part] of their outer garments. That is more suitable that they will be known and not be abused. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful."
Catch that?
"tell the believing women to lower their gaze and cover themselves except for - family list and also those who their right hand posses."
Do you know how slavery worked in the Islamic culture? Do you know slaves were free to roam in the city, and that the owner had a serious obligation to care for them, feed them, offer clothes and bed, teach them and have them learn a skill, and even work to pay out their freedom?
i guess you dont.
All believing women include slaves and they had to wear cover garments except when being at home in the company of family or owners. But when they went out they were all the same.
So no exception here.
Shame on you for lying to people and misinforming everyone here. You are exactly like the West. Lies and propaganda.
Oh and not to mention that ridiculous article from Atheism vs Islam on the Hijab health effects, fwlt like it was written by 5 year olds.
Guess what - when you are in the Middle East and you live in scorching sunt at 40° Celsius all day long all year round, you dont want to get burned up. The hijab is the safest way to protect your head.
Also most conditions written poorly in that article come from humidity. Middle East tops in lowest humidity areas.
so what are we talking about???
Nuns wear head covers, but hey there s no article about that.
Women wear hijabs and yes, they can experrience infections amd diseases and hair loss and what not if they are not keeping to their hygiene. It has nothing to do with the hijab itself.
Wudu/abolution is necessary, having clean clothes is necessary for almost everyone if they want to avoid disease right??
Absolutely ridiculous statements.
BK
One small quibble (probably covered already in the extensive commentary it's generated):
Simple equity. Christians have lived safely in Islamic countries (previous to the creation of the zombie fanatics like ISIS) PROVIDED they "sang small." E.g., no church bells on Sunday, advertising their presence and nonconformity, and no objections to being awakened by call-to-prayer loudspeaker assaults on their sleep every morning, no immodest dress, etc.. I.e., the price of tolerance is fitting in. It always has been. Everywhere.
Bottom line: sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. And especially because it takes the legs out from under those jihad-ists seeking to use the issue to assert a degree of social/cultural autonomy that they can parlay into political control, replacing our organic identity with their abstract burlesque of one.
I am including here because that is 3 days away.
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N.B. OUR Last Mars Uranus conjunction end July 2022 was at 19°, same degree where SATURN Retrograde is presently... aspected bigtime this week.
We (those who passed the test) entered into a 36-year cycle of LEO 5th House of Love, kids, creativity, risk/gamble, romance) those of WE who failed entered a doubled-down REPEAT for 36 years (yes at some point the ego-agrandized humans shall learn). THE Mar/Uranus Conjunction end July 2022 was the 🚂 leaving the station, we had a 2-year buffer zone to adapt n get with it.
Remember Jan 2008 ushered in a +/-20-year cycle of PLUTO in Capricorn aka SATURN (a 250-year cycle, the last was American, French, Industrial Revolutions) anyhow, it's FINAL EXAMS, coming right up. September 1 - November 19.
First we need to pull through July 15, 19, 21 and then comes AUGUST. (Eclipses are back, Sept 17 in Pisces, a new 2-year cycle that repeats every 19 years, -- think back -- and Oct 2 in Libra.)
We are the same in that whatever we eat comes out brown at the other end ☺
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Trump, Orban, Putin: Why are all the 'dictators' hellbent on peace?
With the Washington and Brussels establishment apparently only interested in more bloodshed, someone has to speak sense One of the greatest farces of these modern times is that those who scream...~
Lets do a "compare & contrast" of the C's communications versus the tool of ChatGPT. Which of the two has more to "offer up" with respect to understanding current "times". The "Signs of the Times" suggest to me that it is the former, and AI must be programmed, whereas, somebody receptive is just a channel of information - take it or leave it, but time tells - and if the history is one suggesting the message is well delivered - well then - I consider that evidence of merit. In other words - if in past communications future things fixing to happen did indeed occur, well then that is evidence - and there is a big difference twixt evidence versus suggestion. One happens and can be proven - the other is just talking in the wind especially if it has no resonance.
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So take home message to me is if you go to a place foreign - best to try to fit in with the culture there and not push your ways upon others. Myself - I plan on staying in my place - and I will defend to the death. I was born to be a "Safety" in pee-wee football - the player charged with the task to NEVER let the opposing team get the big play.