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Also, good to get to know her via this video as from the forum, my previous impression was that she was a b****h ("perra beluda" in their local lingo).
Phil is closely linked to German and Russian---also to Kierkegaard and Spinoza...indeed I am not aware of one great European philosopher or poet that was not multilingual, including Italian philosophers Machiavelli, Croce, etc, Borges spoke 5 languages...etc etcI had the question during the discussion, Why did Rilke. write in French? Your explanation seems inadequate. I would have thought the emotional power of French was the reason. Rilke said I have this country in my blood.
Yes English does not make it in the metaphysical or philosophical realm. However, Shakespeare is recognized worldwide as rhe greatest playwrite as well as his poetry in the Sonnets. Goethe said no one could match him.
What I liked about the discussion is Juliana was open and was pursuing real questions. It has always seemed strange to me that Sanscrit, Cunieform, Egyptian hieroglyphs, Mayan writing, Hindu, and Chinese arose and we see no history of its development. We have Hunter gatherers and farmers before them. Where did language come from? Why did it arise? What kind of self-awareness is required?
What kind of community?
As I recall, he said that he felt that French was already filled/written out, in the sense that the best things to say had been already written by the usual suspects there. Meanwhile, the market for literature that was awakening was primarily English. (As to Polish, that's another issue.)
RC
much of Shakespeare derives from It asian poets (Machiavelli)--he most admired Ovid
I am fluent in Russian, Spanish, my sister in French--she informs me that Mallarme cannot be translated into English
the amerikan language is profoundly conservative, like the puritanical amerikan people---"Noah Webster purified British English of all its eccentricities and perversities". Boorstin/wikipedia
"Because of the scale of values" curse words are "quite different from one language to another" (Tanock). Zola a friend of Cezzane "impressionism is all treble, no bass", despised impressionism...as Lakoff wrote, English is quite impoverished regarding space---Russian paintings are described as "a use of limitless space, Chinese are renowned for the use of negative space "north amerikan painters have everything wrong from beginning to end". Pollock
Gadamer explicates Rilke in 'Truth and Method'...English zero cases, German 4, Russian 6, etc...Heidigger (amerikans is putrefaction , Berdayaev, Gadamer all observe that metaphysical inquiry only found in German/ Russian...French philosophy--phenomenology, existentialism, marxism, post-structuralism...the Russian philosophers Levinas Kojeve introduced German/Russian philosophy to France---Solviev, Husserl, Heidegger
the angloshere has never produced composers near the quality of Russia, Italy, France Germany--Rilke despised both Prague and Paris---he most admired Russia, which he visited numerous times with Freuds friend Salome
No important questions were addressed--not perception and language "culture determines perceptions and exceptions" as does language direct consciousness...There many Russian and Spanish words that cannot be translated into English--Borges observed that pesadilla---was "too cheerful" Berdayeav cannot find one language where the metaphysical Russian word "sobernost" can be translated---there are many others...the incapacity of anglos to think dialectically (link phenomena" reflects that English has only one verb to be---Whitehead is a poor copy of Bergson and Cassirer (read Goethe's examination of both....due to the richness of Russian (colors) Russian painters/French also considered the greatest colorists--even Van Gogh considered color to reflect morality---as do Russians obviously
plenty more can be said. Charlemagne consider that for each language one spoke one had another soul: he spoke to his lovers in Italian, his diplomats in French, his servants in German and his accountants in English
A question, are there words in American English that can't be translated back to Russian? (Given your quote about Webster drying out English, I'd guess that there are? I dunno.) I'd not heard of this topic before, being sadly 'uniliterate' or whatever it's called. Thanks!
RC
Goethe never wrote that Shakespeare was a great poet, only a great psychologist. Shiller distinguished between naive poets (Shakespeare) and sentimental poets (Pushkin, Eurpides, etc)...Shiller considered naive poets to be lesser than sentimental poets as did Hegel, Bedyaev, Belinsky, Marx, Shelling, Fichte, etc
Shestov considered Dostoevsky to be the greatest psychologist in all literature
He described Hume as "word play". Schleimacher wrote, "all the blood has drained from Hume and Locke". Meszaros and Marcuse described Hume as a "statist ruling class philosopher"
Kant was critical of Hume, Locke, Mill as was Hegel, Shelling, Schlegel, Fichte, Berdayaev, Nietzsche, Spinoza Rousseau, Merleau-Ponty, etc
PS: Lakoff entirely dismisses all of anglophone philosophy (Philosophy in the Flesh) preferring the philosophy of merleau-ponty
Ps, I LIKE J.S. Mill! (Mostly, but I can gripe about some of his pro society anti-individualist BS but he was ahead of his time.)
RC
Thomas Hobbes at the turn of the 17th century. Berdyaev would like Edmund Burke. Also, yes, "everyone's a critic".
I haven't read half of which you note, so I don't speak to it. Your point English is not a good language to discuss metaphysics, philosophy, etc. My interest is how languages were created, and why don't we have development of them? Why is German or Russian more philosophical or metaphysical? Is it just words? Did you mean by languages have a world view, meaning some are more metaphysical?
You are clearly passionate about languages, and I respect that.
RC
amerikans the most individualistic society on earth per researchers nearly same as Canada NZ, Australia then UK, Ireland, Denmark Sweden
"amerikans poorly understand that individualism produces uniformity" Philip Slater Parsonian
"only in America do people act like machines are treated like machines and only in USA are machine metaphors used to describe human behavior". Geoffrey Gorer
"what unites the slavophiles, Alexandr Herzen, Peter Kropotikin and the Marxists is the belief that western individualism is an enemy of individuality". Vladimir Golstein (1999)
"individuality has disappeared in USA". Horkheimer and Adorno certainly admired by Gadamer ..they described all your conversations: shallow, bombastic, fatuous". "amerikans are afflicted with a shallow national character". David Riesman, Salter, Sennet, Lasch, etc
"the amerikan ideal is that everybody should be the same". James Baldwin. ACHIEVED
Meszaros, Sennet, Risman described you: "over-conformist semi automatons". the anti-communist, Arthur Koestler compared u to 5th century Romans: "a similarly contactless society populated by automatons...a similarly soulless politically corrupt everybody for themselves society"
George Simmel admired by everybody from Gadamer, Sennet, Coser, Zygmunt Bauman, Jurgen Habermas, Martin Heidegger: "it is not Russianism that will destroy Western Europe but Americanism--putrefaction", Max Scheler, Edmund Hussel, George Lukacs, Ernst Block,, Erving Goffman and Robert e Park who wrote "die to the amerikan allergy to philosophy Simmel is only taught in sociology depts in Usa". farcical an amerikan can comprehend Simmel--didn't find one that could when I attended grad school in USA...he examined more than 1000 societies and found that only in primitive individualistic tribes where individituality did not exist were genders homogenized ---masculized females (Hochschild), feminized males: "only in USA has the dignity of the father ceased to exist". Meszaros and in Horkheimer/Adorno's 'Diaectic of Enlightenment...Geoffrey Gorer wrote, "only in amerika is the father vestigial: the amerikan mind and conscience is feminine"---obvious (he did not find this in his ethnography 'The People of Great Russia')....and simmer found that only in these tribes was fashion brought closer to the body...he was not aware that colored hair existed (rarely observed in civilized nations)--he referred to tattoos ---barbarism per Goethe and Kant...when Riesman described you as over conformist semi automatons only the lowest ranks of US navy, biker gangs criminals had tattoos---todya zero individuality in USA...in collectivist societies where I live or have lived tattoos are confined to criminals a few rock stars, athletes, primitive tribes in Siberia---criminals in Russia, Serbia, Hungary, Colombia, Peru, Venezuela...and these are only a few peculiarities that sociologists all observe whichever their orientation
"individuality has disappeared in USA".
Mostly, but not completely.
I dare say that wherever you are, you too see people of all ages - but moreso those under age 40 - wandering around like automatons staring at cell/smart phones and that such has likewise gotten worse with time where you are, or are you saying that where you are that folks are still paragons of individuality?
You have no reason to accuse me of being shallow and in doing so simply reveal your immaturity. Do better.
RC
Under what communist society did you live?
PROPAGANDA and programming and MSM have dumbed down many people, yet each can throw off this programming by asking questions. Each of us has the God given responsibility to be accountable for our choices.
"the people of North America accept a level of ugliness in their daily lives nearly without precedent in the history of western civilization" Yuri Bezmenov
"the banality of amerika: the radical absence of culture". J Baudrilliard
"amerikans do not converse--they argue (Tocqueville) or they entertain each other. amerikans do not exchange ideas---they exchange images. the problem with amerikans is not Orwellian, it is huxleyan: amerikan love their oppression". Neil Postman
"amerikans are the living refutation of the cartesian cogito ergo sum. amerikans are yet they do not think. the amerikan mind puerile and primitive lacks characteristic form and is therefore open to any standardization". Julius Evola
"nothing can thrive in amerika unless inflated by hyperbole and gilded with a fine coat of fraud. amerikans cannot think except by means of slogans--they identify garbage as quality. the stupidity and ignorance of amerikans has long been a topic of hilarity in Europe". Paul Fussell
"in amerika equality means money...amerika requires a stupefied population...in amerika the citizen has been transformed into a client, the worker turned into a consumer...anything artistically or intellectually excellent in amerika is considered elitist". Christopher Lasch
Lippmann described you as "a bewildered herd"
"the least reproach offends amerikans--the slightest sharp sting of truth turns them fierce". Tocqueville
all sociologists describe you as fake---Sennet, Gorer, Slater "amerikans love big because they feel so small", Hochschild, Riesman: "the cult of sincerity--amerikans are not sincere--it is a performance"
"Obama's job is to lie to a nation of Liars". Kiese Laymon
"the men amerikans most admire dare to tell them the most extravagant lies; the men they most despise try to tell them the truth". HL Menkhen
'amerikans have been liars and braggarts for 3 centuries...amerikans live in a thicket of illusions--they demand illusions about themselves". Daniel Boorstin
amerikans are only worthy of being pitied not hated: hatred derives from envy and fear (Machiavelli). amerikans immoral and corrupt--this is why you require incompetent leaders---read machiavelli
"amerikans are not educated to think sociologically or historically...the functional illiteracy and ignorance of amerikans has made us an international joke". Morris Berman
Another area of social engineering is education and common core. I have noted that 2 of the primary authors were Rhodes scholars and that this is a training ground for DS. IF YOU RESEARCH John Taylor Gatto or Charlotte Iserbyt you find they both give evidence of the dumbing down of American education. The only common core academics in math and literature refused to sign the standards.
In the literature standards they focus as much on business documents as literature, and they fragment literature into bits and pieces. You don"t read an entire Shakespeare play or all of any book. What does this do? It leads to not connecting information or seeing the whole; it leads to dumbing down. Furthermore the curriculum can be "cherry picked" to present any ideology you choose. Who is choosing? We see it is Wokeism and CRT driven by the Rhodes scholars of the DS. Their approach has been gradual over generations, so it has the OPTICS of evolutionary and natural. All manipulation.
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Western Philosophy: [Link]
Ordinary Language Philosophy: [Link]
Phenomenology: Varieties of phenomenology: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenomenology_(philosophy)#Varieties_of_phenomenology
German=bild =symbolic image/ Bildung (education/culture)
Russian- obraz-symbolic image/obrazgeniyia (education/culture)
Spinoza---fluent in German/Dutch
Levinas--Russian, German/French
Kojeve---Russian, German, French, English (admired by right wing Hegelians in USA/left wing Hegelians in Europe
in Russian---word for terrible and ugly nearly the same
word for perception and feeling nearly the same
Moisede Ostrogoski wrote, "of all peoples in an advanced stage of economic civilization amerikans are least accessible to long views always and everywhere in a hurry to get rich they give no thought to remote consequences they see only present advantages...amerikans do not feel, amerikans do not remember: amerikans live in a materialist dream"
"the amerikan soul is hard, isolate a killer" DH Lawrence
"all the sensitiveness has dried up in maerikans..the crystallization of love is impossible in USA...I admire their kind of happiness but I do not envy it: it is the happiness of a different and inferior species". Stendhal
"amerikans cannot feel pure pleasure". slavoj Zizek
"amerikans are threatened by complicated feelings". Richard Sennet
"amerikans have lost the capacity for spontaneous feeling " Erich Fromm
"amerikans have always been genocidal enjoying killing from afar". Philip Slater---he attributed Vietnam and Iraq supported by 80+% of amerikans to a particular culture and the psychology of that culture.
less than 5 years ago, IPSOS/Reuters found that only 15% believed torture never justified; 2/3 of amerikans support the use of torture only exceeded in 1 African nation...the peculiar amerikan cult--sensistivity training has failed to train amerikans how to feel
Adorno: "language reflects ruling class values in USA---only amerikans describe a ruthless capitalist as an "entrepreneur "; only in amerika is advice=money, a "tip"
I studied Austin, Moore,Strawson, Ryle, etc...trash
see George Lakoff---"Philosophy in the Flesh"---he dismisses all anglophone pseudo philosophy preferring the phenomenologist Marxist, Merleau Ponty
he finds only amerikans transform money into time--you afford, make good time, save, spend time, budget, investing time and use time profitably...and writes only amerikans when you use the word "wealth" only mean money..."any thing artistically or intellectually excellent in amerika is considered elitist". Christopher Lasch
he writes only amerikans use a business term to refer to your lovers---in USA love is business: are you ar junior or silent "partner"?
You insist that this group you imagine can be characterized accurately by other critics.
In my opinion this place is frequented by people who have issues with post-modern "culture", and do not believe in American exceptionalism.
Your tutelage in the Franco-Russo-German school of 'formalizing-and-over-categorizing-things-that-people-already-understand-so-that-they-can-be-brow-beaten-with-recondite-language-at-state-dinners' is admirable.
Peace is easy,
BK
Julianna is open, thoughtful, questioning, and honest.
I would like to see sound expanded into frequencies, inflection, tones, and then into the psychology of how they affect listeners. For example a hypnotist uses sounds of his voice to move a subject towards suggestibility. Or binaural beats can entrain brain wave states. I wonder if linguistics should be thought of as in conjunction with music and song. A monotone lecturer puts me to sleep.
The discussion regarding morphogenic or information fields is the only way to explain some phenomena. If we are open humans are receivers of information, like Adam's antenna.
Where language comes from? I liked Harrison's joke and Julianna responded to be open.
How woeful, strange, are the alleys of the City of Pain,
where in the false silence created from too much noise,
a thing cast out from the mold of emptiness
swaggers that gilded hubbub, the bursting memorial.
Oh, how completely an angel would stamp out their market
of solace, bounded by the church, bought ready for use:
as clean, disappointing and closed as a post office on Sunday.
Farther out, though, there are always the rippling edges
of the fair. Seasaws of freedom! High-divers and jugglers of zeal!
And the shooting-gallery's targets of bedizened happiness:
targets tumbling in tinny contortions whenever some better
marksman happens to hit one. From cheers to chance he goes
staggering on, as booths that can please the most curious tastes
are drumming and bawling. For adults ony there is something
special to see: how money multiplies. Anatomy made amusing!
Money's organs on view! Nothing concealed! Instructive,
and guaranteed to increase fertility!...
obvious for anyone that has read Shiller, Marx, Belinsky, Gadamer, Doestoevsky or Hamlet
Becovitch wrote in 2012: "only in USA has nationalism carried with it the Christian meaning of the sacred. the revelation of amerika serves to blight and ultimately preclude the possibility of fundamental social change"
- In a time and place no longer remembered except in lore, there lived a tribe of 60 or so....Next to the river so i'm told. The People went about their days...sustaining & loving; always ready to play. The times were good, imagination was free.
I plan on listening and observing the whole video, but I really think some good ideas are being shared for consideration. I appreciate that a whole bunch.
Thanks for this article....BK
I think emotion is not feeling because feeling comes from Creator from consciousness.
In this state then language is a form of giving
Anyway I really enjoyed the show, and Adam's comments about the information field, and the smooth coversation.
I'll have to listen at least again because for me the lights kept going off. I like the previous comment which touched on silence and the potential vacuum in contrast to the varied and beautiful rhythmic nature's in language; There is also the relationship of emotion to the propaganda element to speaking, as separate from feeling, that I occasionally indulge in; wear- in double think and social fascism language suffers greatly- that's for sure.
TY again
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Hear - Sound2 - Music - Love - Think
See - Sight2 - Light - Love - Think
Smell2 - Love?
Feel - Touch2 - Love?
Feel- Taste2 - Think - Love?
Think - Music - Light - Love
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Anyhow, it is a poem about the senses.
BK
Thanks!
"amerikans do not converse--they argue (Tocqueville) or they entertain each other. amerikans do not exchange ideas---they exchange images. the problem with amerikans is not Orwellian, it is huxleyan: amerikan love their oppression". Neil Postman
"amerikans are the living refutation of the cartesian cogito ergo sum. amerikans are yet they do not think. the amerikan mind puerile and primitive lacks characteristic form and is therefore open to any standardization". Julius Evola
"nothing can thrive in amerika unless inflated by hyperbole and gilded with a fine coat of fraud. amerikans cannot think except by means of slogans--they identify garbage as quality. the stupidity and ignorance of amerikans has long been a topic of hilarity in Europe". Paul Fussell
"in amerika equality means money...amerika requires a stupefied population...in amerika the citizen has been transformed into a client, the worker turned into a consumer...anything artistically or intellectually excellent in amerika is considered elitist". Christopher Lasch
Lippmann described you as "a bewildered herd"
"the least reproach offends amerikans--the slightest sharp sting of truth turns them fierce". Tocqueville
all sociologists describe you as fake---Sennet, Gorer, Slater "amerikans love big because they feel so small", Hochschild, Riesman: "the cult of sincerity--amerikans are not sincere--it is a performance"
"Obama's job is to lie to a nation of Liars". Kiese Laymon
"the men amerikans most admire dare to tell them the most extravagant lies; the men they most despise try to tell them the truth". HL Menkhen
'amerikans have been liars and braggarts for 3 centuries...amerikans live in a thicket of illusions--they demand illusions about themselves". Daniel Boorstin
amerikans are only worthy of being pitied not hated: hatred derives from envy and fear (Machiavelli). amerikans immoral and corrupt--this is why you require incompetent leaders---read machiavelli...nobody envies amerikan except the lowest most incompetent from poor nations---you have always derived from the lowest most incompetent classes from civilized nations--excepting Russians in 1970's and Jews: 'White Trash: the 400 Year Untold history of Class amerika". Nancy Isenberg
even the Taliban do not fear you incompetents
"amerikans are not educated to think sociologically or historically...the functional illiteracy and ignorance of amerikans has made us an international joke". Morris Berman
splattering these same quotes as comments at southfront and anti-empire.
You refer to Americans as a lower species. Are you Chechen, Belarussian, or what? An Islamist, Christian, or what? What is your highly vaunted culture from which you speak down to us?
Conflating the American populace as being responsible for our PONERIZED leadership is offensive, and your talking points are dehumanizing. You seem to be a fan of Marx and Freud, which I find laughable, and your other sociologist quote copy-pasting can be thrown out as cherry-picking in my accounting from your bias.
I find your first post on language valuable, and you do seem linguistically talented. But in my opinion it's very misguided to lump Americans together as though we're all aligned with our Pathological leadership.
(For some reason, I think he's by St. Petersburg or Archangel. I haven't bothered to preserve in memory those potential details.)
rc
I hope all is well with you and yours.
RC
All that approach goes hand in glove with 'that which governs least governs best.'
Good luck down there!
RC
You got your brain, I got mine. We all sense things from within and from outward. How we sense this has a lot to do with waves and frequency I reckon and just ones disposition at any given moment in time.
I hope the rest of the video gets a bit better.
BK
Still enjoying this video and I won't comment again until I have finished watching the whole thing. I've got to 1:16 or thereabouts.
It seems there is some speculation in the opinions shared that current ideas and systems cannot properly account for the origin of language and I appreciate that they put out there that some things are just a mystery and there is no way they will ever be explained.
With that said, it must be obvious that some ideas are flawed even if they are generally accepted at any moment in time amongst the minds of many. Most minds don't have the inclination to get to the bottom of any mystery because they have to feed their family and they just want stability to go about their day-to-day business. Still, it ought be evident, moments arise, critical moments where permanent decisions are made both individually and collectively that affect the future for one and all. If we had "time" to better understand and study so many things, we could get closer to the mystery of it all, but there are some who think they have settled upon the "final idea" the definitive one that is the only one that matters. It is a self-fulfilling way of thinking and frankly I think it spells the end of those who think as such because if nothing else we ought to have learned that in history all the "self-fulfilling" ideas of the past have failed. They have been wrong. So a bit of humility is called for and I appreciate all those participating in this video because they seem to me to just be thrilled with the idea of learning together. I think this is the recipe for better times.
Now, I'll watch the rest and I might comment again if I think I have something to proffer up for consideration, but either way, thank-you sott.net for presenting this wonderful discussion. It is seriously appreciated by me, and if nothing else, that makes it worthwhile.
Peace is easy,
BK
I was musing on such recently, considering how there must be people who are "awake" and want to educate themselves more and be more aware of and gain further understanding of the world and its human happenings but are too busy to do much meaningful research so in that respect they're stuck in a simpler reality though it may be hectic and rife with financial complications. I wonder how much more research and inquiry people in those circumstances did since the lockdowns started and many of them would have had a lot of free time.
I try to look on the bright side of being a "deadbeat" after several consecutive years of unemployment, living alone with minimal responsibilities that basically just entail me taking care of myself. It's provided me with plenty of spare time for reading and watching informational videos when I want to and though I've basically just scratched the surface on everything I feel somewhat informed in general. Also through reading about a lot of corruption I learned to be very suspicious of government which has led to me developing a decent track record as a "conspiracy theorist" - I was on the chemtrail wagon about a decade ago and called the current NWO takeover for what it is from the first covid news segment I saw (I think the first on that channel).
When life removes work on the outside it is because we have attained inside work to be a co-creative company
We don't "have time"....time moves on endlessly and that must be a consideration or a factor in the whole language consideration.
I'm not necessarily suspicious of "gubment" but I am dubious that centralized authority has anything left to offer. I think it is a dead end.
In language when you are left speechless it means you can't comprehend what is happening, but if you have been deep down in the rabbit hole, you recognize this as the moment when you will live or you will die. Most of the times, those who go too deep down....they die.
Take some words spelled in English. Usually they don't have too many letters.
Find the words that have the most "definitions". My theory is that those
words speak to some "inherent" sounds we have in our mind even
before the words ever form from our vocal cords.
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So, I had a real good example of a word such as this, and I will find it after I watch the rest, but here is one example: "Dock"
[Link]
Now, per Merriam Webster, that single sound has 22 different definitions. The other word I remember checking, a simple word, has even more. I just think that is not a coincidence.
Peace,
BK
You know if we just had the time to think about these big topics that merit deep study....if we just had the time. So much time is wasted on trivial things is what I think.
I agree. It would be wonderful study to try to link back in language, and that is done in linguistics I'm sure, but I think this "sound" concept has not been appreciated fully and now is the time to better understand that is what I think. I think just now better communication is the key to the future. I have some ideas - I like to share! Oh yeah - semantics are NOT trivial. Semantics are the key I think.
Peace,
Ken
RC
Those kids are interesting and good.
RC
Memory is the way an adult stays in contact with what it was like to be a baby in the womb.
It took me a long time but I finished listening to this just a few days ago and time is a mystery but I put forth it moves in one direction only. The future.
Peace is Easy,
BK
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