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The parents of a black man slain in a pursuit by two white men armed with guns called for immediate arrests Wednesday as they faced the prospect of waiting a month or longer before a Georgia grand jury could consider bringing charges.
A swelling outcry over the Feb. 23 shooting of Ahmaud Arbery intensified
after a cellphone video that lawyers for his family say shows the killing surfaced online Tuesday. Following the video's release, a large crowd of demonstrators marched in the neighborhood where Arbery was killed, and the state opened its own investigation, which the governor and attorney general pledged to support. The men who pursued Arbery told police
they suspected he had committed a recent burglary.
Arbery's mother, Wanda Cooper Jones, told reporters Wednesday she believes her 25-year-old son "was just out for his daily jog" in a neighborhood outside the port city of Brunswick. She hasn't watched the video.
"I saw my son come into the world," Jones said. "And seeing him leave the world, it's not something that I'll want to see ever."
No arrests have been made or charges filed in coastal Glynn County
more than two months after the killing. An outside prosecutor in charge of the case said he wants a grand jury to decide whether criminal charges are warranted. That won't happen until at least mid-June, since Georgia courts remain largely closed because of the coronavirus.
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Attorneys for Arbery's family said the father and son, who have acknowledged in a police report grabbing guns and pursuing Arbery in a truck after seeing him running in their neighborhood, should be arrested now before a grand jury decides whether to indict them — as often happens in criminal cases.
"These men were vigilantes, they were a posse and they performed a modern lynching in the middle of the day," said Lee Merritt, an attorney for Arbery's mother.According to an incident report filed by Glynn County police, Arbery was shot after two men spotted him running in their neighborhood on a Sunday afternoon.
Gregory McMichael told police that he and his adult son thought the runner matched the description of someone caught on a security camera committing a recent break-in in the neighborhood. They armed themselves with guns before getting in a truck to pursue him.The father said his son, Travis McMichael, got out of the truck holding a shotgun, and Arbery "began to violently attack." He said Arbery was shot as the two men fought over the shotgun, according to the police report.
After Arbery was shot, the police report says, Gregory McMichael turned him onto his back to see if he was armed. The report doesn't say whether he had a weapon.
A phone number listed for Gregory McMichael has been disconnected. The Associated Press could not immediately find a phone listing for Travis McMichael. The cellphone video, initially posted by a Brunswick radio station, shows a black man running at a jogging pace on the left side of a road. A truck is parked in the road ahead of him. One man is inside the pickup's bed, and another is standing beside the open driver's side door.
The runner crosses the road to pass the pickup on the passenger side, then crosses back in front of the truck. A gunshot sounds, and the video shows the runner grappling with a man in the street over what appears to be a shotgun or rifle. A second shot can be heard, and the runner can be seen punching the man. A third shot is fired at point-blank range. The runner staggers a few feet and falls face down.Tom Durden, the district attorney appointed to oversee the case, declined to comment Tuesday when asked if the video depicts Arbery's shooting.
The Georgia Bureau of Investigation got involved Wednesday after Durden requested the agency's help. GBI Director Vic Reynolds said he assigned three supervisory-level agents to the case.
"I realize that emotions are running high in this community and they're running high throughout this state," Reynolds said in statement. "And the last thing anyone wants to do is extend us any patience. But I also realize that this investigation must be done correctly."
Georgia law says a person can kill in self-defense "only if he or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent death or great bodily injury ... or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony." The law also says a person who provokes an attack or acts as "the aggressor" can't claim self-defense.
Merritt, the attorney for Arbery's mother, said the U.S. Justice Department should also investigate the death as a hate crime.
"The FBI has said it's assisting," said Justice Department spokesman Matt Lloyd, "and as is standard protocol we look forward to working with them should information come to light of a potential federal violation."
Republican Gov. Brian Kemp late Tuesday threw his support behind that probe. He tweeted: "Georgians deserve answers. State law enforcement stands ready to ensure justice is served."
Georgia Attorney General Chris Carr, also a Republican, spoke out as well.
"Based on the video footage and news reports that I have seen, I am deeply concerned with the events surrounding the shooting of Ahmaud Arbery," Carr said in a statement. "I expect justice to be carried out as swiftly as possible."
Former Vice President Joe Biden, the presumptive Democratic nominee for president, also weighed in. "The video is clear: Ahmaud Arbery was killed in cold blood," Biden tweeted, referring to the death as a "murder."
Jackie Johnson, the district attorney for Glynn County, recused herself from the case because Gregory McMichael worked as an investigator in her office. He retired a year ago. George Barnhill, the first outside prosecutor on the case, stepped aside in mid-April at the urging of Arbery's family. Barnhill has a son who works as an assistant prosecutor for Johnson.
Associated Press writer Michael Balsamo in Washington contributed to this story.
Reader Comments
Shining City On The Hill indeed. I am so sorry for the grieving family and so angry at a society that hunts humans.
Second, The prosecutor's office? already ruled this was a valid citizen's arrest, and that once that was the case, had the right to NOT have the shotgun yanked out of his hands. Try to grab a pistol from my hands or holster and watch what happens.)
Third: Someone holds a shotgun on you, the smart things to do are
A) Get distance / haul ass! or,
B) Hope to talk your way out of it.
YOU NEVER TRY TO GRAB THE SHOTGUN! (Which is what he did.)
The prosecutor's office? already ruled this was a valid citizen's arrest, and that once that was the case, had the right to NOT have the shotgun yanked out of his hands. Try to grab a pistol from my hands or holster and watch what happens.) That's where he swerved - first - into attempted murder.
This has taken on a media hyped life little different from poor 'lil 'Trayvon'.
Also, I bet the ex cop shooter here is a real sorry pig! (Just like I'm certain Trayvon's shooter is)
RC
According to local reports ACTUALLY the gentleman in question ALWAYS jogs thru this neighborhood and others as he is an avid jogger. He jogged everyday according to neighbors. By all accounts there was a black man in a white t shirt “casing” the “ex-investigators” neighbors house. However it seems to a tragic case of mistaken identity in that said jogger happened to be running by that day as was his custom. Said vigilante & father in tow pursued this jogger, cut him off with their truck and pointed a shot gun at the black jogger. What would you Rowan if some random asshole stopped you and pointed a shotgun at you; cower or fight? Well said jogger fought. And now justice in Georgia is again getting the run around because of the thin blue line...So please stop talking out of your ass. You seem to have a penchant for speaking out of your asshole. Are you not aware that humans use the mouths as well as their well formed brains to partake in communication? Also could you stop pretending to be some kind of comedian? It’s such a fucking bore....
Nothing wrong with disagreeing, but your reply is getting ad hominem, which I think is unnecessary. Your comment would be more readable if you challenge what you disagree with without attacking RC.
2) If you read down, you will learn just how ... not wrong . . . I've been. (See new video.)
As C83 notes, infra: J 3) I will be surprised to see any others of those who've sniped at me will similarly 'man up.'
R.C.
P.s. For BLD, et al:
RC
Just wanted to clarify, I never sniped, I fell for the original article and researched more before I commented for fear of looking like Blubberlitedancing haha 😂
Murderers have been arrested.
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TrayvonAhmaud' became a "jogger."BUT, Back then , the sworn facts showed that he was a burglar: [Link]
Of course, clueless folks will jump on bandwagons, other folks might hopefully look a little deeper than the front page 30 pixel NYT headline propaganda headlines. (I kinda figured SOTTites knew that.)
Let the pilloring continue.
R.C.
*Usually, when charges are dropped, the prosecution files a form pleading called a 'Nolle Pros', with NO factual details. That was not done here!
RC
R.C.
Even if he was a burglar (which is a big if), those 2 people had no right to hunt him down and execute him like that. They aren't police officers.
You can't go around and execute people because you think they did something. I think this is common sense?
You can't blame him for trying to wrestle it away from him. Like, how can someone outrun a gun? He put up a fight before they executed him... You blaming him for that?
They had zero authority to hunt this guy down and execute him in the middle of the street.
This is the bottom line.
By the way, please see what I've written and linked above.
I have spent all but 20 years of my life in this world here. I'm not going to go into the events I've survived where my opponents were not pigs.
These poor bastards are going to be drawn and quartered on the Altar of PC Correctness. I'm made my points. (How about the fact that the video was released because the lawyer knew that the State Atty. had probably used it as their critical ruling (which got yanked.)
There're about to go through PC hell.
Finally, in the USA under the long forgotten law, cops have few, if any, legal rights/privileges than private citizens. In GA? Research 'Citizen's Arrest'. (READ the PDF I reference!)
Pillory away, all, we agree to disagree.
R.C.
REMEMBER, the guy who took the video SAW the burglary!
Bye.
RC
I repeat again, these men were not officers and had no right to execute a man in the middle of the street.
We live in a civilized society, not the wild wild west.
These 2 will see justice.
End of story
"I repeat again, these men were not officers and had no right "... (So, rather than answer my points about the men having the same legal rights as the cop!) "to execute a man in the middle of the street." Wrong. Once the dumbshit punched the guy and grabbed the shotgun, all bets were off!
That was when the fool turned the case into attempted murder.
Thus, he didn't, (as you 'again repeat'), "execute a man in the middle of the street," Rather (unanswered by you) the idiot was attempting to steal a weapon! Violation of the stupidity statute! (You ignore that, also.)
"We live in a civilized society, not the wild wild west." Maybe you do, you damn sure don't live down here! Have you ever looked down a gun? Held one on someone? (Try over 10 times for me!) Did you ever legally not kill two pigs with a Sig Sauer? (One of whom pissed all over my office out of fear!)
"Not the wild west?" Where the hell are YOU FROM? (Answer?)
Please see infra. Also, please try to open your mind, and answer my points; so far, all your 'points' amount to is "I repeat'. You've not discussed the facts, the PDF, etc! R.C.
I won't go into any more talk with someone who has got issues and therefore is unable to discern properly.
Case closed.
But, AA was arrested twice (once for bringing a pistol to a high school at around age 18? Try to find a picdture of it? You get this: But, I have found a nifty 'They Live' comparison shot: [Link] Showing our violator of that most fundamental of laws: the 'stupidity statute':
1. Never punch a guy holding a gun;
2. Never grab another's gun - as that turns into you attemptin to murder someone, always!
R.C.
Also, since the above, as you read down, there's now more aNd more proof he was a burglar fleeing a crime scene! (Aka, "P.C. Narrative Collapse.")
(And check the links.)
Read on!
R.C.
i didn't read that his body had stolen property on it. Nor was the two white dudes story that they caught him in the act of burgling. They said they thought he looked like someone in a video.
Your narratives are very biased, slanted, and pulled out of your ass, and are illogical.
Personally i don't think it is proof to link up to EDITORIALS as proof for your points.
It shows that you are using inflammatory and biased writings as proof of your bias.
Here is a link that shows that the shooters in question had been part of an unsuccessful past effort to prosecute the young man they shot. If you want a point based off of stupid ass links, I think, rightfully so, that the link I am providing is proof of a revenge killing. That that niglet wasn't going to get away with being a bastard again, they were gonna stop him!![Link]
Plus that the dead man was convicted of bringing a gun to a high school basketball game most likely made them feel they had to bring guns as they most likely thought he was probably armed. They KNEW it was going to be trouble so they armed themselves. This is what makes their citizens arrest patently absurd.
They created the danger and elevated the potential violence instead of presenting the video evidence to the police whom would have had the young mans information.
I am sure they most likely figured "if we shoot him we can just say he pulled a gun on us because we know he will have one."
He didn't, and they got recorded shooting him. They fucked up.
That they thought he WAS (maybe he was) a burglar in their neighborhood and took it upon themselves to be heroes and save the world from an evil black man that got away with some crime the shooters helped try and prosecute over.
That is the bottom line.
Those two white dudes are complete fucking idiots, they have no brains, and people like that are easy to see through. Their motives are very evident.
So you know Rowan, I dont give a shit about your points when most likely you are completely wrong, do not understand the legal basis for a citizen's arrest, don't necessarily use facts to support your theories, and the depth of your theory makes mud puddle seem like the marianas trench, then act insulting like i was supposed to say "oh my god you are so smart in your dumb thinking"
but i still love you, and i have no more time for SOTT for a few hours, gotta go to my third job.
No need to reply but if you want to I will unload on you some more.
how bout "release the fucking kraken"!!!
This makes their "citizen's arrest" even MORE illegal than it already was.
Do some more legal studying before you act like you know everything.
Morally I cant agree with you, legally I cant agree with you.
peace out.
SOTTfolk are also very familiar with the tactics used by our pathocratic ‘controllers’, which I generally refer to as ‘Team FUKUSraHell’. (T.F.)
Now, re this BS lockdown, we know it never should have never started. Moreover, we know that even if it had a valid basis, by facts and logic, around three weeks ago, it lost the last vestige of its ‘cover’ of medical necessity and instead became patently a power and control exercise - that’s all?(Right?)
That said, we have grown used to T.F. repeatedly using the same M.O., e.g., ‘doubling down.’
So, when that happens, what are the ones that come to mind? Well, we commonly see false flags to up the fear factor, and false news stories that, for example, scare the populace by saying things like ‘Saddam can hit us with poisonous gas missiles in forty five minutes!!!”; or, “You’re all going to die from CV1984!” Still with me?
OK, those are tactical approaches. But what is their most common strategic approach? Think about it!...
Divide and conquer!
And, what’s the effect of this vis a vis our government.
Realize that this event happened back in February! And THAT video was the basis for the charges being dropped back then! R.C.
The above event (grabbing the front of a shotgun) is even stupider (as if that were possible) than merely violating an ancient truism I first heard (and learned) well before I was 10: "never bring (only) a iknife to a gunfight. "
What happens to such 'terminally' stupid people - usually sooner rather than later? THIS: [Link]
R.C.
I have had the displeasure to have had to say exactly that, exactly that way! (Except I added, "and kill" ).There, my target was FAR wiser than above idiot. (RIP)
R.C.
These rednecks whether innocent or not are now fucked in the court of public opinion, purely because they are white. Because let’s be honest here... if the ethnicity is switched, would there be such outrage? I doubt if it even made the news if so.
I could be wrong... but I trust my gut on this one. The subject story and timing of release stinks of politics to me.
I’m with RC on this one.
Ferguson, MO, V2: (did you know that little black guy was 6'4" and attacked the cop in his car - smashed his eye with fist - a full orbital blowout* and ONLY AFTER THAT did 'Lil...'fergie'' get shot?
Lil' Trayvon, V2: et al.
RC
*That would break multiple bones in most fists.
But I can't tell anything from that video that was apparently a .4k potato.
A criminal record goes a long way. Did he have a recent/extensive criminal record? What about the two that shot him?
Were there any skittles involved?
TrayvonAhmaud' [Link]This one.... I don't know... a likely scumbag stealing items but that doesnt much matter. If I understand it, the father lost sight of the man several times before confronting Arbery in the truck. I know its a stretch but did they confront the right guy? I doubt they shouted "We just want to talk to you"..... I know my own language would have been far more colorful. What prompted an unarmed Arbery to physically assault two armed men, in a truck, one with a freaking shotgun???
Tough case. I wouldn't want to be those two. I remember the total BS zimmerman went through for a much simpler case. They'll likely be aquitted if they get a good lawyer but it'll cost a mint...
So...WHY are the doing so here? ESPECIALLY since the previous prosecutorS decided it wasn't chargeable?
Why was the world content, including mom of deceased, until some idiot stupidly released it? (Stupidity runs rampant in society; showing no white/black favoritism; i.e., he was white.)
And he only released it because he expected the video to be reviewed by reasonable people and which he stupidly presumed could only be seen as showing the gun-grabbing idiot guilty of someone assaulting a man with a shotgun, which, to be perfectly frank, is exactly what is shown!)
Do you honestly believe these questions would have been asked if EVERYTHING was identical, except the races had been reversed? Not likely!
Do you think these white guys were just waiting around to murder some jogging 'brother'?
RC
If that was their purpose, the dad's 60? the kid 35? That's a cumulative total of over 60 years where they could have shot ANY RANDOM JOGGER - and WITHOUT asking their friend (who SAW THE BURGLARY) TO VIDEOTAPE IT!
I don't know about GA, but in Florida merely tresspassing on most construction sites is an automatic felony burglary. Anyone man enough to admit that they may have jumped the gun? (Like above idiot did)
RC
You Americans and the stupid laws in your "land of the free" - it's mad
At least usually. At the same time, I have no qualm using them for my point(s) as they are treated as gospel by most idiots - if they can use 'em, so can I.
R.C.
RC - I love the smell of vindication in the mornin’
I'll bet that other videos will arise to show just how thoroughly fact free and PC only this all is.
R.C.
P.s, The silence of the knee-jerk commenters above speaks volumes, sadly.
RC
RC
I guess lonSabbatical is on sabbatical now 🤣
Amazing how people disappear when they are wrong isn’t it?
Narrative collapse ongoing!
Commenters above! YOU ARE GETTING THIS COMMENT WITH YOUR RED BELL! Any retractions?
Your silence is indicting your integrity! Jeez!
RC
R.C.
P.s., Glad to see you here.
RC
A month ago I had to rush my wife into the ER for a potential stroke, she has been bed ridden since then, I have been working her job and my job for a month so she doesn't get fired, and a third job now to pay for medical bills.Still dealing with the stick through my leg and those medical bills, and I have a chronically ill grown daughter.. Her appendix burst four years ago and she almost died, but now has some deficits due to the almost lethal infection from her burst appendix that was misdiagnosed as a benign tumor.
I am on city council here, and am busy with that as well. All the fucking covidiots.
On top of that I have been busy making sure my bed ridden wife is well, and am trying to get a diagnosis because no specialists will see here because the CDC Covid19 restrictions. They prescribed her Valium and told her she isn't going to die, see a specialist when she can.
The only doctor who would see her is a sports medicine chiropractor. That is essential, but a neurologist appointment is not. At least she got a nice adjustment.
I am a busy as person who normally does not say anything about my burdens in life because who of you really gives a shit about me.
Finally, you called me out in a reply TO YOUR OWN COMMENT. I get no notification for that. I don't have the time to review every comment that is written on every story, even the ones that don't have a link on the first page.
How the hell am I supposed to know you are even talking at me on the thread?
I usually have a better sense of humor, but under the circumstances i am actually more than slightly offended at your piss-poor try at a joke.,
and if it wasn't humor you are a jack ass.
Still love ya though.
I bought an exacto knife and did the surgery the surgeon was going to do on my OWN leg because I need the money to make sure I don't lose my home. But like i said, who the fuck cares about my troubles.?
Just label me a coward.
Ouffffff go to my channel.
RC and Si?? Why are you not responding?
You did not do ad hominems towards me above. Thus, I did not 'call you out' as I did LS / BLD.
To the extent I did, (I think I included you with them one time?)
I apologize; everyone should be allowed reasonable errors.
RC
At least that is what their new lawyer / ambulance chaser told them to $ay. As a former superintendent for a national homebuilder, the most annoying thing (right after Mexicans taking a dump in bathtubs that were not even plumbed yet) was theft. Coming to work after a weekend, and discovering twenty houses that had the wiring ripped out of them, when you are already on a tight schedule, is the last thing any builder wants to see. But would I bring a gun to work and start shooting suspected thieves? Of course not...but that is not what this story is all about, is it? Liberals only scream "racism" when it serves their evil agenda of division and control...on any normal day, someone like Nazi Botoxi would not walk across a street to urinate on Mr Arbery if he were on fire.
Tornado in Chihuahua, Mexico
Tornado hits the region of Chihuahua, Mexico.awesome
RC
When the gun was pulled the suspect they shot had every right to defend himself no matter how stupid it was. I don't give a shit how many videos the dead dude may have been in. I could give two shots about the morality. The legality is not there.
Here... it's not so clear. Two armed men pursued a potentially thieving scumbag onto public property and confronted him with what could be perceived as deadly intent (one guy with a shotgun out, the other armed but I'm not sure if openly or not). Said scumbag reacts in a super stupid way, turns aggressive and and gets popped. Property thieves aren't known for their intelligence.
I can't tell from that video what the hell happened. Sound would have helped.
I still think they'll get off but it could be a very expensive battle for them.
I understand the frustration dealing with human filth that might be stealing property. But as armed citizens we've got to be very careful about escalating a non-violent situation which, as we see here, might go sideways really fast. I mean how many times have we seen suicide-by-cop on camera?
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my query concerned the proper genre concerning our negative public discourse.
somehow, your limited comprehension skills led you to believe that 'ad hominem' means "to the man",
as we both know that logical fallacies as well as cognitive dissonance are rampant in today's world.
for now, I will treat you as a male. and it is time to get hot azzhat!
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Second, I would be remiss if I did not point out the fact that this entire 'exchange' we have been having is *all on you*..you drew first blood and you continue to do so. After your initial attack, there have been times where I tried to ignore your repeated attacks on my comments, that generally had nothing to do with what *anyone* was talking about. One of our earliest exchanges I told you to "stand down*...a nice way of saying dont go away mad, just go away. Honestly, I dont care about you, your opinion, or what you have to say on any subject...why dont you understand that? I'm not, nor have I ever been, a turn the other cheek kind of guy and whatever you hope to gain by publicly harassing me, is not going to happen. Pro tip...just because we are on the same forum, does not mean we are required to talk to each other.
As always, this exchange was the high point of my day...I think I hear a fire truck coming down the street, why dont you go chase it, Brutus? Maybe if you are lucky, you can catch it and waterboard the firemen with your grade school level understanding of physics
Laughing is so healthy early morn
except Anarchists . I will jack with them every time. (I am a MinArchist)
I wouldn't mind if someone wanted to test my credentials as a genuine very high level HVAC/R tech.
therefore as a genuine Anarchist.. do you mind if I question your own?
"is it possible to have a 'Constitution' in a Democracy ?"
my bet is that you will reject the query out of hand, as being irrelevant. as you reject both concepts.
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I wouldn't mind if someone wanted to test my credentials as a genuine very high level HVAC/R tech.
my bet is that you do not even know what these letters stand for, much less be able to ask me an intelligent question.
if I told you that my work has NOTHING to do with 'Cold'.. and in fact 'Cold' does NOT exist...
would you believe me?
if I told you that EVERYONE'S life, in today's world depends on HVAC/R systems. would you laugh at me, as being pompous and arrogant?
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bezel bulb is the epitome of the low spark of high heeled boys.
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LOL...sorry Brutus...'ad hominem' means "to the man", which does not apply here, since we are talking about an angry, ankle humping dog...i.e., you
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or are these words mutually exclusive in and of themselves?
Yes shoppers, it's true!!!
Check out our polite 'Lil Aummie Da Jogger' here (two or three different videos) when he was:
A) Arrested for shoplifting; AND
B) Driving without a license - COP LET HIM GO! (A CRIME in Florida.)
C) Threatens a cop: Et al. [Link]
R.C. RC
Strange company y'all can keep,
And still sleep.
RC