The annual conference of the secretive Bilderberg Group is meeting near Watford, with some leading political and business leaders from the US and Europe.
American "shock jock" Alex Jones joined Times columnist David Aaronovitch to discuss it - and ended up disrupting the show in spectacular fashion.
Presenter Andrew Neil described him as "the worst person" that he had ever interviewed.
Comment: Wow. Just wow.
At least Aaronovitch, hardly a paragon of virtue himself, got in a half-decent point: why indeed is AJ not only still alive, his business is thriving and he's appearing on the BBC, Fox News and Piers Morgan's show with increasing and alarming regularity?
Alex Jones: The Pied Piper of Extremism Who Brands "Truth-Seeking" as Mental Illness
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and on the middle hand, maybe we're just so accustomed to seeing fake people who carefully present their 'image' in the media that when we see someone who acts like ordinary people do (e.g. getting angry) we no longer recognize a genuine person on our TV screens?
Nothing he said there was wrong. I certainly prefer his personality to the condescending ignorance of the other two. When there's a fire, it's appropriate to shout about it, and to shout down those who are denying it.
When you can't denounce what someone's saying, your best move is a personal attack, that's what all this is. Those who don't like his 'presentation' should just get on with their own and quit moaning about his. He has a lot of listeners and is getting through to many people. Sure it's not entirely your message he's getting through, but why would you expect him to?
I get sick of hearing about "he's shouting". So what? Any sane person would want to shout at those two spineless fsckers, at least he has the courage to do it.
Nothing he said there was wrong. I certainly prefer his personality to the condescending ignorance of the other two. When there's a fire, it's appropriate to shout about it, and to shout down those who are denying it.
When you can't denounce what someone's saying, your best move is a personal attack, that's what all this is. Those who don't like his 'presentation' should just get on with their own and quit moaning about his. He has a lot of listeners and is getting through to many people. Sure it's not entirely your message he's getting through, but why would you expect him to?
I get sick of hearing about "he's shouting". So what? Any sane person would want to shout at those two spineless fsckers, at least he has the courage to do it.
may laura an alex jones relate to what my family has been through even if I do not own sites, publish books etc?
I do not understand this type of thinking... he who suffered the most must be the ultimate truther... what happenned(again) in SOTT? is there a competition around? we have it bigger, no ours is bigger... the ol' classic american way.
I do not understand this type of thinking... he who suffered the most must be the ultimate truther... what happenned(again) in SOTT? is there a competition around? we have it bigger, no ours is bigger... the ol' classic american way.
Mariama,
Would Alex Jones going through the same horrors make it ok in your book? I don't understand what it has to do with the subject, i.e. the attack on his personality while ignoring everything he said?
People are diverse, we should respect that, not try to make them all conform to how we would do things. That's collectivism isn't it? Some people may be put off by Jones, and I can see how others might fear being tarred by the same brush, but then I'm sure a lot of people are put off by Laura's channeling stuff too, but she's perfectly entitled to talk about it.
Being put off listening to evidence because of some other aspect of the presenter is a fault in the audience, not in the presenter. That's what needs to be fixed, not the presenters, Alex or Laura or anyone else.
Would Alex Jones going through the same horrors make it ok in your book? I don't understand what it has to do with the subject, i.e. the attack on his personality while ignoring everything he said?
People are diverse, we should respect that, not try to make them all conform to how we would do things. That's collectivism isn't it? Some people may be put off by Jones, and I can see how others might fear being tarred by the same brush, but then I'm sure a lot of people are put off by Laura's channeling stuff too, but she's perfectly entitled to talk about it.
Being put off listening to evidence because of some other aspect of the presenter is a fault in the audience, not in the presenter. That's what needs to be fixed, not the presenters, Alex or Laura or anyone else.
so ...
by making the crazy, zealous, "foaming at the mouth" AJ the posterchild of "conspiracy theorists" (which is what seems to be happening right now) the mass media have found a very smooth way to tell the larger public "see? that's how all those crazy conspiracy theorists are like!". it's movement assassination 101 hollywood/mass media style: take the latest movie "the east" which paints people who are disillusioned with globalization and corporations (which is a pretty popular notion these days among the general public it seems) and show them as criminal vandalizing thugs - bam! "see? that's how they all are those anti-corporate anarchists: vandals, thugs and murderers!". mission accomplished ...
by making the crazy, zealous, "foaming at the mouth" AJ the posterchild of "conspiracy theorists" (which is what seems to be happening right now) the mass media have found a very smooth way to tell the larger public "see? that's how all those crazy conspiracy theorists are like!". it's movement assassination 101 hollywood/mass media style: take the latest movie "the east" which paints people who are disillusioned with globalization and corporations (which is a pretty popular notion these days among the general public it seems) and show them as criminal vandalizing thugs - bam! "see? that's how they all are those anti-corporate anarchists: vandals, thugs and murderers!". mission accomplished ...
No doubt he'd be taken much more seriously and be given a lot more respect if he didn't come across as a "crazy, zealous 'foaming at the mouth' posterchild for for conspiracy theorists" (great description by the way!).
Perhaps Mr Jones doesn't mind being seen that way, as it allows him to do what he loves doing, get paid for it, and not be seen as a threat to the 'powers that be' (and therefore continue).
I'm not sure what David Aaronovich was thinking if he thought this interview would be any different.
Perhaps Mr Jones doesn't mind being seen that way, as it allows him to do what he loves doing, get paid for it, and not be seen as a threat to the 'powers that be' (and therefore continue).
I'm not sure what David Aaronovich was thinking if he thought this interview would be any different.
Considering
that we've had an ABUNDANCE of evidence come forward concerning the 'police state', 'illegal spying', the phoney '911 story', I'd say that the ONLY difference between a conspiracy theory and the truth, nowadays, is a whistleblower.
AJ has LONG been outed as a paid shill for TPTB. I don't listen to him nor Infowars either.
that we've had an ABUNDANCE of evidence come forward concerning the 'police state', 'illegal spying', the phoney '911 story', I'd say that the ONLY difference between a conspiracy theory and the truth, nowadays, is a whistleblower.
AJ has LONG been outed as a paid shill for TPTB. I don't listen to him nor Infowars either.
Paid shill.
Definitely.
I wouldn't doubt he's connected to the Tavistock Institute by way of their sub-organization, the SRI (Stanford Research Institute).
Definitely.
I wouldn't doubt he's connected to the Tavistock Institute by way of their sub-organization, the SRI (Stanford Research Institute).
I think I agree with you. Less support for attention seeking histrionics and more support for whitleblowers!
Besides, its not like Mr Jones hasn't been thoughly discredited by his own behaviour. Perhaps that wasn't a trap he thought he was going to walk straight into. But walk into it, he did.
Besides, its not like Mr Jones hasn't been thoughly discredited by his own behaviour. Perhaps that wasn't a trap he thought he was going to walk straight into. But walk into it, he did.
and the fact that he's on BBC
proves my point. He's NOT the poster child for anything except the governments/CIA double disinformation campaign.
proves my point. He's NOT the poster child for anything except the governments/CIA double disinformation campaign.
Agreed.
And anyhow, is/is-not aside - I think the point is that introducing such outlandish notions via the channel of conspiracy theory works very efficiently to condition the the public to the ideas being discussed. It lubricates the upcoming official disclosure of such, creates a smooth transition.
As they usher us into the FEMA camps we will turn to eachother and say: "ohhh, Alex was right. Ha, funny how we thought it was all a conspiracy, how about that" The point of what we aught to be alarmed about will be completely lost. It's classic hypnotism and sleight of hand.
Does that make sense? Meaning that, by providing a forum to first introduce the idea works to condition us to accept them. Is it called "exposure therapy" in Psychology?
And anyhow, is/is-not aside - I think the point is that introducing such outlandish notions via the channel of conspiracy theory works very efficiently to condition the the public to the ideas being discussed. It lubricates the upcoming official disclosure of such, creates a smooth transition.
As they usher us into the FEMA camps we will turn to eachother and say: "ohhh, Alex was right. Ha, funny how we thought it was all a conspiracy, how about that" The point of what we aught to be alarmed about will be completely lost. It's classic hypnotism and sleight of hand.
Does that make sense? Meaning that, by providing a forum to first introduce the idea works to condition us to accept them. Is it called "exposure therapy" in Psychology?
Yes, + good buds with Jeff Rense. This fact alone stands alone as a red flag, at least in my mind...
Ps..
PS - what a circus!! Pied Piper alright.
It was embarrassing to watch the transparency and the gloating, clearly they know exactly what they are doing. But doubly embarrassing, and very tragically so thinking of the huge number of conspiracy theorists that will be still be championing it as they dance to the music over the cliff.
PS - what a circus!! Pied Piper alright.
It was embarrassing to watch the transparency and the gloating, clearly they know exactly what they are doing. But doubly embarrassing, and very tragically so thinking of the huge number of conspiracy theorists that will be still be championing it as they dance to the music over the cliff.
@Sass
...providing a forum to first introduce the idea works to condition us to accept them.... Desensitizing is what I call it.
Much like the blood, gore and violence on TeeVee which is Hollywood's MO.
People will be conditioned to seeing it when they close the gates and start firing their BIG collection of 'hollow point bullets'.. ..
...providing a forum to first introduce the idea works to condition us to accept them.... Desensitizing is what I call it.
Much like the blood, gore and violence on TeeVee which is Hollywood's MO.
People will be conditioned to seeing it when they close the gates and start firing their BIG collection of 'hollow point bullets'.. ..
the message
i would like to know if anyone on here has ever publically addressed an audience voicing their mind. Have you? I was there yesterday (at bilderberg) amongst fablous people all united. Facing thew threat and saying "we have had enough". Its all very well and clever to pontificate who is a dis info and who is not. What are you doing to alert the people around you to the govenment eugenics operation. AJ mentioned porton down. This has been reported in the guardian. Released documents from the 'Department of Defence' state that between 1940 and 1979 the british were sprayed with strains of anthrax. I suggest you focus on the facts that can be proven and communicate your findings to those around you. I signed up to post this comment. Does this meen that sott.net is part of the spy grid? Why do i need to give personnal info just to post a comment? I have read LKJ books. She uses a ouija board to communicate with beings. How do you think the averge person would respond to that. For wierd behaviour and to put people off i think that would be top of the list. AJ is out there shouting his mouth of alerting folks to the govenment coruption and its working. Why are you not more disgusted at Andrew Niel? He is a mainstream puppet i would have though any negative vibes should be directed at him. No doubt readers of this will point out any spelling mistakes in my comment like thats the point. I suggest you listen to this and contemplate whos side you are really on. peace and love.
https://soundcloud.com/mtwolf/sets/hypolight
govenment spraying the uk with anthrax
[Link]
i would like to know if anyone on here has ever publically addressed an audience voicing their mind. Have you? I was there yesterday (at bilderberg) amongst fablous people all united. Facing thew threat and saying "we have had enough". Its all very well and clever to pontificate who is a dis info and who is not. What are you doing to alert the people around you to the govenment eugenics operation. AJ mentioned porton down. This has been reported in the guardian. Released documents from the 'Department of Defence' state that between 1940 and 1979 the british were sprayed with strains of anthrax. I suggest you focus on the facts that can be proven and communicate your findings to those around you. I signed up to post this comment. Does this meen that sott.net is part of the spy grid? Why do i need to give personnal info just to post a comment? I have read LKJ books. She uses a ouija board to communicate with beings. How do you think the averge person would respond to that. For wierd behaviour and to put people off i think that would be top of the list. AJ is out there shouting his mouth of alerting folks to the govenment coruption and its working. Why are you not more disgusted at Andrew Niel? He is a mainstream puppet i would have though any negative vibes should be directed at him. No doubt readers of this will point out any spelling mistakes in my comment like thats the point. I suggest you listen to this and contemplate whos side you are really on. peace and love.
https://soundcloud.com/mtwolf/sets/hypolight
govenment spraying the uk with anthrax
[Link]
"I signed up to post this comment. Does this meen that sott.net is part of the spy grid? Why do i need to give personnal info just to post a comment?"
Nobody forced you to join. If you don't want to give personal information, then just don't.
"I have read LKJ books. She uses a ouija board to communicate with beings. How do you think the averge person would respond to that. For wierd behaviour and to put people off i think that would be top of the list."
If you had sincerely and objectively read her work, you wouldn't describe her as such. The channellings are merely a fraction of her work at large. And also, the average person just simply can't think so that's irrelevant to ask them what they "think" about it. More so, it isn't about "putting people off" but rather about exposing the lies and the liars. Seems fair to me for anybody wishing to find the Truth.
See, the point here is that Alex Jones is a fear mongering disinformation agent - period. There is well enough evidence that has been collected and well enough research that has been made about him over the years to confirm it.
You can start here: [Link]
"I suggest you listen to this and contemplate whos side you are really on."
It's not a question of "who's side we're on" but rather "what we are looking for" which is Truth. It's as simple as that.
Peace.
Nobody forced you to join. If you don't want to give personal information, then just don't.
"I have read LKJ books. She uses a ouija board to communicate with beings. How do you think the averge person would respond to that. For wierd behaviour and to put people off i think that would be top of the list."
If you had sincerely and objectively read her work, you wouldn't describe her as such. The channellings are merely a fraction of her work at large. And also, the average person just simply can't think so that's irrelevant to ask them what they "think" about it. More so, it isn't about "putting people off" but rather about exposing the lies and the liars. Seems fair to me for anybody wishing to find the Truth.
See, the point here is that Alex Jones is a fear mongering disinformation agent - period. There is well enough evidence that has been collected and well enough research that has been made about him over the years to confirm it.
You can start here: [Link]
"I suggest you listen to this and contemplate whos side you are really on."
It's not a question of "who's side we're on" but rather "what we are looking for" which is Truth. It's as simple as that.
Peace.
Hey daniel34, I can get your anger and frustration and I think it's totally justifiable from your perspective - yes, what are we doing, and yes, at least he is doing something. I do believe this perspective is a valid one - it's good to do something!
However, please understand this perspective - First, AJ is not necessarily being criticised; I think the general hoo-hah is at the system more-so than AJ, and even that is not necessarily in the form of a criticism (though it damn should be!). What is happening is that we are merely attempting to unravel the illusion that is presented to us by the peeps in power, we are analysing and exercising what is a most important defense at this time - our faculty to remain alert and on-the-ball in very difficult times and agaist a very slippery enemy.
In regards to AJ, yes, he is doing stuff, however on the other hand, going by the evidence it is possible that he is being "handled" to do this stuff. Whether he knows it or not is irrelevant. Do you know the story of the Pied Piper? I believe this is an accurate analogy if you wan check it out, it really says it all. The tactics and strategies used by these "disinformation" agent are to lead people ultimately into madness, ie "over the cliff". I wont go into that though, as there are waaay too many complex methods that are used to discuss here, that's another topic altogether.
Anyhow, the reason that I've gone to the effort here to explain how I see it, is because I used to wonder the same questions with the same fervency you have. Hope this at least gives food for thought.
However, please understand this perspective - First, AJ is not necessarily being criticised; I think the general hoo-hah is at the system more-so than AJ, and even that is not necessarily in the form of a criticism (though it damn should be!). What is happening is that we are merely attempting to unravel the illusion that is presented to us by the peeps in power, we are analysing and exercising what is a most important defense at this time - our faculty to remain alert and on-the-ball in very difficult times and agaist a very slippery enemy.
In regards to AJ, yes, he is doing stuff, however on the other hand, going by the evidence it is possible that he is being "handled" to do this stuff. Whether he knows it or not is irrelevant. Do you know the story of the Pied Piper? I believe this is an accurate analogy if you wan check it out, it really says it all. The tactics and strategies used by these "disinformation" agent are to lead people ultimately into madness, ie "over the cliff". I wont go into that though, as there are waaay too many complex methods that are used to discuss here, that's another topic altogether.
Anyhow, the reason that I've gone to the effort here to explain how I see it, is because I used to wonder the same questions with the same fervency you have. Hope this at least gives food for thought.
humanity
Always striving to contradict each other. If you'd investigate yourself. You'd come up with better grounds of which to speak from. But Alas, there will always be charlatans that has their paid work being to contradict everyone.
They say to be good with computers, you know how to from the right Google queries.
But to know you're interpreting the signals you receive right, you'd need mental stillness to give voice for questions of interest answered.
Saalome
Always striving to contradict each other. If you'd investigate yourself. You'd come up with better grounds of which to speak from. But Alas, there will always be charlatans that has their paid work being to contradict everyone.
They say to be good with computers, you know how to from the right Google queries.
But to know you're interpreting the signals you receive right, you'd need mental stillness to give voice for questions of interest answered.
Saalome
Drum roll...
Send in the clowns. Its Alex's job to brand all who investigate such things a loons, like him.
Send in the clowns. Its Alex's job to brand all who investigate such things a loons, like him.
Good grief!
The idea of Jones being a paid shill with the goal of using him to paint all so-called "conspiracy theorists" as nutjobs is so obviously confirmed by this video. Look at the way he freaks out at the end because he's been repeatedly told to shut up. Of course he was told to shut up! He was behaving like a grade school kid that can't wait his turn to speak. He was rude and domineering, like someone on coke that thinks what he has to say is more important than what anyone else has to say, and can't stop himself from immediately blurting out every thought he has, the moment it pops into his head.
He could have waited his turn and then answered the questions any way he wanted - energetically, excitedly, whatever. But to just start yelling over everyone like he's the only one that has the right to speak, like no one should listen to any other point of view, all because he has been asked to have a civilized conversation? And to keep on ranting and raving even as the show is signing off? It couldn't have been a better nutjob performance, even if all he was doing was being himself.
If that's all it is - being himself - the PTB have picked a winner. Unfortunately, he does have some good information to share but most people just don't want to listen to him. Mission accomplished.
The idea of Jones being a paid shill with the goal of using him to paint all so-called "conspiracy theorists" as nutjobs is so obviously confirmed by this video. Look at the way he freaks out at the end because he's been repeatedly told to shut up. Of course he was told to shut up! He was behaving like a grade school kid that can't wait his turn to speak. He was rude and domineering, like someone on coke that thinks what he has to say is more important than what anyone else has to say, and can't stop himself from immediately blurting out every thought he has, the moment it pops into his head.
He could have waited his turn and then answered the questions any way he wanted - energetically, excitedly, whatever. But to just start yelling over everyone like he's the only one that has the right to speak, like no one should listen to any other point of view, all because he has been asked to have a civilized conversation? And to keep on ranting and raving even as the show is signing off? It couldn't have been a better nutjob performance, even if all he was doing was being himself.
If that's all it is - being himself - the PTB have picked a winner. Unfortunately, he does have some good information to share but most people just don't want to listen to him. Mission accomplished.
And...
... I just can't imagine how this "discussion" went on after the show backstage. Dear God...
... I just can't imagine how this "discussion" went on after the show backstage. Dear God...
Yes, I was playing with that too, came up with that they probably had a laugh, shot some coke and ordered some whores.
Jones
Alex Jones is a buffoon and a blithering idiot. He made a complete fool of himself during the interview. He's not a national treasure, but a national embarrassment.
Alex Jones is a buffoon and a blithering idiot. He made a complete fool of himself during the interview. He's not a national treasure, but a national embarrassment.
Silver lining in every cloud
i aint gonna lie, without alex jones i would never have got to sott.
he reaches a bigger audience and from there some will find there way to other saner conspirators...
Sure most will be turned off by him, but some will turned on to go and look deeper...
i aint gonna lie, without alex jones i would never have got to sott.
he reaches a bigger audience and from there some will find there way to other saner conspirators...
Sure most will be turned off by him, but some will turned on to go and look deeper...
sass
Hope so
OMG
So SOTT.net is now promoting - Alex
(Mollygate - CIA family - Stratfor connected - Bohemian Grove exposing [with MI5 op Jon Ronson] - It's the UN not Israel to blame for Palestine - I was totally exposed by Bill Cooper (like David Icke) - and am a fucking retard who peddles fear and makes those who believe in conspiracy's like 911 look nuts like me) - Jones
Now I understand your Boston article!
What happened to the voices of dissent
Getting rich I guess
Become part of the establishment
Power corrupts the best - 2013
So SOTT.net is now promoting - Alex
(Mollygate - CIA family - Stratfor connected - Bohemian Grove exposing [with MI5 op Jon Ronson] - It's the UN not Israel to blame for Palestine - I was totally exposed by Bill Cooper (like David Icke) - and am a fucking retard who peddles fear and makes those who believe in conspiracy's like 911 look nuts like me) - Jones
Now I understand your Boston article!
What happened to the voices of dissent
Getting rich I guess
Become part of the establishment
Power corrupts the best - 2013
Please see correction below -
Im glad you can still state the obvious re Jones -
But it's the Boston article that has me scratching my head -
The sequence of events is as follows
Explosion - smoke - evidence being planted by guy in hoodie and shades - man wheeled away as if he'd lost his legs - he who planted evidence then lies back and relaxes as big bloke comes along and de-briefs them
As for the claim re no expression on faces of those next to guy who is just meant to have had his leg blown off being down to shock - lol - what a pile of shite...
Someone said I was wrong to state this cos Id not read a specific book - hmmm my life experience of an NDE vs a book - yeah let me trust my life experience
When I had my NDE and had all the skin ripped off from the waist up - had 6 broken ribs cut through my liver - had an organ ripped open - was left on the ground breathing off half a lung - and there was blood everywhere
the look of shock and horror on those who surrounded me was unmistakeable
Funnily enough just after that no one then decided to have a lie down with his head behind his head totally chilled out at the scene (like the guy with hoodie and shades did one his mate had been wheeled away) after Id been wheeled into the ambulance & rushed to HDU
Im glad you can still state the obvious re Jones -
But it's the Boston article that has me scratching my head -
The sequence of events is as follows
Explosion - smoke - evidence being planted by guy in hoodie and shades - man wheeled away as if he'd lost his legs - he who planted evidence then lies back and relaxes as big bloke comes along and de-briefs them
As for the claim re no expression on faces of those next to guy who is just meant to have had his leg blown off being down to shock - lol - what a pile of shite...
Someone said I was wrong to state this cos Id not read a specific book - hmmm my life experience of an NDE vs a book - yeah let me trust my life experience
When I had my NDE and had all the skin ripped off from the waist up - had 6 broken ribs cut through my liver - had an organ ripped open - was left on the ground breathing off half a lung - and there was blood everywhere
the look of shock and horror on those who surrounded me was unmistakeable
Funnily enough just after that no one then decided to have a lie down with his head behind his head totally chilled out at the scene (like the guy with hoodie and shades did one his mate had been wheeled away) after Id been wheeled into the ambulance & rushed to HDU
Correction
Sorry - my bad in that I admit the old SOTT article which exposes Jones as a NWO mouth-piece is indeed linked -
Almost everyone knows Jonez is a NWO mouth piece - for some fucked up reason the majority think his mate Icke is on their side..... lol
My comment came as Im just still trying to understand the SOTT net article which dismisses the idea that the guy in the hoodie and the shades in Boston (who is clearly planting the evidence so the dude next to him can be wheeled away so to be pictured by the MSM) is not acting out his role.
Whether the guy was part of an elite task force sent there under cover of a drill I cannot say - but one thing is for sure & that is that he was planting the evidence so to that his buddy could be wheeled away infront of the camera acting as if he just had his leg blown off
- whether or not you want to call them an actors or not -they ACTED out their role!
Sorry - my bad in that I admit the old SOTT article which exposes Jones as a NWO mouth-piece is indeed linked -
Almost everyone knows Jonez is a NWO mouth piece - for some fucked up reason the majority think his mate Icke is on their side..... lol
My comment came as Im just still trying to understand the SOTT net article which dismisses the idea that the guy in the hoodie and the shades in Boston (who is clearly planting the evidence so the dude next to him can be wheeled away so to be pictured by the MSM) is not acting out his role.
Whether the guy was part of an elite task force sent there under cover of a drill I cannot say - but one thing is for sure & that is that he was planting the evidence so to that his buddy could be wheeled away infront of the camera acting as if he just had his leg blown off
- whether or not you want to call them an actors or not -they ACTED out their role!
Friends,
you have to judges somebody's message by the message. It doesn't work to judge by their personality or their circumstances. Really, how would that be even approaching logical? If you let the message stand on it's own in your mind, you preserve your objectivity.
I'm nearly 40, yet I learned before I was 12 that when someone can't disprove your argument because what you say is true, they attack your personality, your circumstance, your presentation, anything but the argument itself. That's a sign of someone who is not standing with the truth.
So, to say that was AJ says must be untrue because he is alive, or because he is a success, or because he is loud doesn't make any sense at all.
Every bit of content Alex produces he puts out there for free. Think about that. For example, he spends 100k plus to make a movie, then puts it out on the net, free. Can you download Laura's books for free? Not that I'm aware of. Alex does this because it's getting the truth out there that's important. The of course doesn't mean anything negative towards Laura. The truth is you have to have money coming in to continue sending the message, so we have to make money somehow.
If you want to know whether Alex is a truth teller, the only way is to go listen to his show. Listen for a single broadcast if that does it for you. Otherwise, to continue our comparison, it would be like saying Laura speaks untruth when you haven't ready any of her books, listened to her podcasts, etc. You wouldn't have enough information to make that judgement yet.
you have to judges somebody's message by the message. It doesn't work to judge by their personality or their circumstances. Really, how would that be even approaching logical? If you let the message stand on it's own in your mind, you preserve your objectivity.
I'm nearly 40, yet I learned before I was 12 that when someone can't disprove your argument because what you say is true, they attack your personality, your circumstance, your presentation, anything but the argument itself. That's a sign of someone who is not standing with the truth.
So, to say that was AJ says must be untrue because he is alive, or because he is a success, or because he is loud doesn't make any sense at all.
Every bit of content Alex produces he puts out there for free. Think about that. For example, he spends 100k plus to make a movie, then puts it out on the net, free. Can you download Laura's books for free? Not that I'm aware of. Alex does this because it's getting the truth out there that's important. The of course doesn't mean anything negative towards Laura. The truth is you have to have money coming in to continue sending the message, so we have to make money somehow.
If you want to know whether Alex is a truth teller, the only way is to go listen to his show. Listen for a single broadcast if that does it for you. Otherwise, to continue our comparison, it would be like saying Laura speaks untruth when you haven't ready any of her books, listened to her podcasts, etc. You wouldn't have enough information to make that judgement yet.
Hi Sdshane,
"So, to say that was AJ says must be untrue because he is alive, or because he is a success, or because he is loud doesn't make any sense at all."
We I do certainly agree. But people (at least those who have objectively studied his case) say that Jones is a liar because he basically is. This is based on solid evidence and has nothing to do with his personality - at least to a certain extend. He clearly is also a pathological being and that needs to be considered to understand the greater picture although, simply criticizing his personality (all alone) surely doesn't generate a good signal to noise ratio so I do understand the main point of your message.
If you follow the link I have posted several comments above though (and navigate further in the forum using the "search" function), you'll have access to years of collected research/data about him and his work (and much more!). You may find it quite interesting.
"If you want to know whether Alex is a truth teller, the only way is to go listen to his show. Listen for a single broadcast if that does it for you."
Yes, of course, but this has been done by at least quite a decent number of objective people through the years since he's been part of the show. Please, see my previous statement.
"Otherwise, to continue our comparison, it would be like saying Laura speaks untruth when you haven't ready any of her books, listened to her podcasts, etc."
Please, see the same previous statement.
"Every bit of content Alex produces he puts out there for free. Think about that. For example, he spends 100k plus to make a movie, then puts it out on the net, free."
I understand, but that doesn't by any mean make him an honest person speaking the Truth. It's also about the intention(s) and the result(s). Jones clearly has an agenda, or so it seems from all the research that has been objectively made.
"Can you download Laura's books for free? Not that I'm aware of."
Yes you can. Most of her work at large (including many books) is/are available for free on-line. You can find much/most of her work on cassiopaea.org which also has most if not all the links to other important sources through the website and the forum section. Take a look!
Peace.
"So, to say that was AJ says must be untrue because he is alive, or because he is a success, or because he is loud doesn't make any sense at all."
We I do certainly agree. But people (at least those who have objectively studied his case) say that Jones is a liar because he basically is. This is based on solid evidence and has nothing to do with his personality - at least to a certain extend. He clearly is also a pathological being and that needs to be considered to understand the greater picture although, simply criticizing his personality (all alone) surely doesn't generate a good signal to noise ratio so I do understand the main point of your message.
If you follow the link I have posted several comments above though (and navigate further in the forum using the "search" function), you'll have access to years of collected research/data about him and his work (and much more!). You may find it quite interesting.
"If you want to know whether Alex is a truth teller, the only way is to go listen to his show. Listen for a single broadcast if that does it for you."
Yes, of course, but this has been done by at least quite a decent number of objective people through the years since he's been part of the show. Please, see my previous statement.
"Otherwise, to continue our comparison, it would be like saying Laura speaks untruth when you haven't ready any of her books, listened to her podcasts, etc."
Please, see the same previous statement.
"Every bit of content Alex produces he puts out there for free. Think about that. For example, he spends 100k plus to make a movie, then puts it out on the net, free."
I understand, but that doesn't by any mean make him an honest person speaking the Truth. It's also about the intention(s) and the result(s). Jones clearly has an agenda, or so it seems from all the research that has been objectively made.
"Can you download Laura's books for free? Not that I'm aware of."
Yes you can. Most of her work at large (including many books) is/are available for free on-line. You can find much/most of her work on cassiopaea.org which also has most if not all the links to other important sources through the website and the forum section. Take a look!
Peace.
Much better put JayMark, what I shouild've said. Sorry to Sdshane for being more rude than funny to your response.
just because someone is still alive doesn't mean he's discredited from the get go i'd say .. otherwise: how come LKJ is still alive? how come sott.net has not been taken down yet? how come she's allowed to publish her books? how come jesse ventura is still alive? and allowed to publish his books and appear on major television networks etc?? the matrix is pretty tight, sure, but there is always some who will slip through the cracks (see jesse ventura's meeting with the CIA after he won the election to become the governor of Minnesota and he had to explain to the CIA agents how that happened) and when they reach a certain popularity taking them down could prove counterproductive since it would paint them as martyrs and only fan the movement that the PTB were trying to suppress in the first place ... or you corrupt those movements from the inside ... which seems more likely what has happened to AJ ... if he wasn't a planted disinfo agent from the beginning already ... on the other hand: this guy behaves in such a ridiculous way every time he speaks (although i kind of understand that he's getting heated up since he's been put intentionally on a spot and feels he has to defend himself) that it's more like a freak show ... so it seems he discredits and ridicules himself every time he appears on those shows ... maybe that's why they think it's safe to invite him since he's just annoying ...