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Ex-Polish president, anti-communist & Nobel Peace Prize winner Lech Walesa faces jail over denying links to сommunist secret police

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Sun, 31 Oct 2021 16:43 UTC

Former Polish President Lech Walesa was summoned to the nation's prosecutor's office on Friday on charges of perjury in a case related to his alleged links to the socialist-era Polish secret police.

The leader of Poland's Solidarity movement known as a pro-democracy activist, Walesa was summoned to hear the charges related to his testimony back in 2016. At that time, when confronted with documents alleging his recruitment as a secret police informant, Walesa denied he had anything to do with them and said they had been forged to smear his name.

Poland's Institute of National Remembrance (IPN), which instigated the case against Walesa back in 2016, has now stated that expert opinions and other evidence confirmed that the documents were in fact authentic. The IPN has been sticking to this position ever since 2016 as it stated they were confirmed to be genuine when it first brought the case against the politician.

A young Lech Walesa, former president of Poland, trade union leader and co-founder of trade union Solidarity

Dating back to the 1970s, the documents were retrieved from the home of the widow of General Czeslaw Kiszczak, who was also communist Poland's last prime minister. A personal file on an informant nicknamed only as 'Bolek' contains over 150 documents, including payment receipts and a handwritten commitment to cooperate with the socialist-era Polish Security Service alongside various reports submitted by the informant.

The Polish Prosecutor's Office that launched the case against Walesa over the documents requested an expert opinion from the Institute of Judicial Expertise. According to the Polish media, a team of experts in the field of handwriting concluded that dozens of the documents from the file were drawn up by Walesa. The experts compared the documents to some 140 other papers personally written or signed by the former president between 1963 and 2016, the media said.

The experts' conclusion was then published by the IPN - an institution responsible for exposing historical crimes in Poland. Perjury in Poland carries a sentence of between six months and eight years of imprisonment.

Walesa, who was the co-founder of the Solidarity movement, which brought down the socialist government in Poland, continues to deny all the accusations. In a statement posted on Facebook, he denounced the accusations against him as "shameful" and said that the charges were aimed at "downplaying his role in history."

He also said that "the prosecutor's office is not where historical truths are established." "The truth about those times is something for historians to decide about, and I am not afraid of history's verdict," the former president added, maintaining that he never collaborated with the communist secret services.

Law and Justice Party leader Jaroslaw Kaczynski

He then accused the IPN of fabricating the documents at the behest of the leader of Poland's ruling Law and Justice Party, Jaroslaw Kaczynski. The National Remembrance Institute does have some links with the ruling Law and Justice Party. It also has a history of accusing Walesa and other pro-democracy activists of helping the communists.

Walesa himself has been a staunch critic of Kaczynski as well as reforms to the media and judiciary initiated by his party after it came to power.

The former president has already been cleared of charges concerning alleged collaboration with the communist-era Polish Security Service by a special court back in 2000. He was also awarded a Nobel Peace Prize in 1983, years before the collapse of the socialist government, for his "campaign for freedom of organization in Poland" and was called a "symbol of revolt" by the Nobel Prize committee at that time.

Comment: Considering that Poland is one of the weapons the West is trying to use against Russia, Walesa's pro-Russian stance may have something to do with the charges.

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Rowan Cocoan · 2021-10-31T17:32:53Z

PC takes it eternally to the next level. I'm curious to hear codis et al. on this.

I bet there's an underlying agenda and the globalists/TF/EU is behind this.

R.C.

codis · 2021-10-31T20:45:00Z

Rowan Cocoan Dunno, honestly. Nor what to think about that.

I didn't watch the situation in Poland very closely at that time, which might have to do with the language barrier. And the fact that we had our own problems.

Two notable things: rising to a union leader presupposes some involvement in the system, and playing according to their rules for quite some time. At least I would never have been able to do that - even pretending longer than a minute ...

On the other hand, many people in the Eastern Bloc had "a relation" with the secret police.

I had one, too. About 6 months before conscripted to the military, I was summoned to their offices in the district capital, and was questioned for almost two hours, mostly about personal stuff. Stupid and naive me answered them at that time ...

As I found out later, they just checked on my environment, since I was scheduled to serve at the border troups that stood watch on the famous Berlin wall. And too many draftees had been seizing the opportunity to escape the "worker's paradise". Not to mention, each unit in this border troup was heavily infiltrated with Stasi agents, to prevent further embarassments of that kind.

I learned quite a lot about the relation between state and individuum at that time. Knowledge I can apply now, and perhaps save my life ...

codis · 2021-10-31T20:47:06Z

Rowan Cocoan And, where is the owl gone ?

Despite my doubts about the symbolism, I liked the image.

Rowan Cocoan · 2021-11-01T00:26:51Z

codis 1) The owl should be back. I already changed it back before I saw this. It should pop back up soon enough.

2)

Two notable things: rising to a union leader presupposes some involvement in the system, and playing according to their rules for quite some time.

Right! This is the same changing history for political purposes, just like damn near everything which our moral relativist PC asswipes favor. The fact that they only favor evil stuff across the board, no matter the issue, they always OPPOSE the individual having and retaining power over themselves ALONG with responsibility they oppose that also! (Just like BLM BS Crit. Race Scam says that 'thinking forward' is a white supremacy' trait - no logic there. (And of course, folks who lived in seasonal climes are those where selection will favor those who plan, etc. C.f., The Ant & the Grasshopper.)

(Writing needs clean up. Sorry. Not enough edit time.)

All that proves that the standard claim they don't know what they're doing even while they are doing evil is flat out bullshit. Rather, they rationalize it, ALWAYS, and use 'my ends justify my means' (moral relativism)/ 'my reliance on/approval of' the gov/society's crack downs on individual sovereignty, etc. to end up opposing individual responsibility and freedom.

Did you ever arrest someone? Shoot or shoot at someone? (When I was supposed to shoot a duck I purposely followed the duck's tail as it flew knowing there was no way a single pellet would get the poor lesser scaup. I was always a great shot. The things taste like hell, I didn't want to have to clean it, they're greasy etc.) My dad, as always, 'That's OK son. You'll get one next time." (Me:

Shoot down like an 8 year old Holocaust refugee sprinting across the minefield who you left hung up and dead on the razor wire? (I only intend that to be over the top black humor but you know that.) I imagine your border work was far more mundane that Hollywood might ever let on.*

Were you ever tempted to take a runner? Did you know anyone who did? Have you spoken with lots of follks who did? That must be a huge topic. You ought to write a book on all of that. Pure SOTTesque, that would be.

RC

*Meanwhile, Hollywood tried to get our school days and did fairly damn well with Fast Times at Ridgemont High, but we did WAY more drugs. SWIM first did coke at 14. Greenery at 12, etc. His last day of HS the consumed items were speed, coke, pot, beer, vodka (we'd get OJ in the cafeteria and a friend would sell shots of vodka out of his locker. I think that they were a quarter.) coffee, and others... Was a truly fun time.

rc

codis · 2021-11-01T08:26:39Z

Rowan Cocoan

Did you ever arrest someone? Shoot or shoot at someone?

No, never came to to a situation like that.

And frankly, I never gave in to the hate and despise the military superiors/leadership permanently indoctrinated into us against the "republic escapees". I might have fired some shots into the dirt, though. Because, for one thing, we were never ever alone at the watch. We were standing in pairs (2 soldiers), in a distance were you could see at least one neighbouring guard couple. They obviously didn't trust their own troups. And second, there would have been a lengthy and meticulous investigation.

If it wasn't for my family and the university place, I would have considered "escaping" as well. Opportunities existed. I did not stay for the love of socialism and the state, so much you might believe me ...

Rowan Cocoan · 2021-11-01T11:44:00Z

codis Thank you!!! Excellent.

I reiterate: You should write a book in English (I don't know about German markets) but you could probably be completely honest about it and it would still be fighting the good fight and it would probably sell. You could also do it as quasifiction/ roman a clef, etc.

I guess you had AKMs, I think you said? A Mauser 98 also at some point? Anything else? A Tokarev? (Of course no obligation to answer as always.) Ever get to fire a 12.7 mm? Thanks! (I'd love to have a nice Dragunov.)

RC

codis · 2021-11-01T12:12:52Z

Rowan Cocoan Some of the guns you mentioned I know from the Forgotten Waepons YT channel (worth a look, especially for you, it seems).

We were equipped with an MPi KM 72 [Link] which is basically an improved version of the AK-47.

Never shot a pistol (not that I not wanted ...). I saw an officer shoot a Tokarev during a field exercise, and missing 3 of 4 shots at 25 yards. There was that saying, you best option with the Tokarev is to throw it against your attacker.

Didn't fire a 12.7mm either. The border troups had APCs equipped with 14.5mm cannons, and I had seen firing these.

You should write a book in English (I don't know about German markets) but you could probably be completely honest about it and it would still be fighting the good fight and it would probably sell. You could also do it as quasifiction/ roman a clef, etc.

At the moment, I am content with telling my children, and work mates who are interested.

Very few are. As a side note, causal smalltalk is rare lately, it's hard to find a common ground with all this suicide cult disciples

Rowan Cocoan · 2021-11-01T12:37:39Z

codis Well I'm telling you, there'd be a market for that here. Most books about East Germany are all classic pro west propaganda about working at the Stasi, escaping to the west*, while the fiction is mostly spy novels, etc. Back then (1980s - 2000s) anyone trying to write a balanced book about what you lived through would have been shot down for not being anti-commie enough. (Politically, most Americans are simple sheeple and clueless.)

I do think it would be worthwhile, especially for folks from age 40 all the way up because we all grew up with these horseshit lies. Folks are kind of waking up in some ways. However, as that same market/group dies, there's going to be no market to read it with modern wokies in charge of the dying of the west. Thus, the sooner you write it, the better the chance that in the year 2088 it will be dug out of some destroyed city's rubble pile and then recognized and read. You could become a future Thucydides, who is one of my favorites!

RC

*If you had, would your family have lost their jobs or such? I dunno. (Talking about the opportunity to scurry across the border, the temptations, etc. is but one part of your AB that would be fascinating.)

rc

codis · 2021-11-01T12:59:51Z

Rowan Cocoan Dunno ...

My family was mostly apolitical, only teached us to "tag along". My mum didn't think or care too much, and my dad had seen too much to fall for sweet talk and BS. He had already reached the end of the rope. Being a service engineer for control systems in a large papermill, there was no going up anymore without party membership.

They would have been harassed, and questioned regularly, I guess. And put under surveillance.

But fired - probably not. There was a shortage of almost anything in socialism, especially competent technician and engineers. You can't achieve much with the proper socialist Weltanschauung alone. I can't count the number of times company messengers turned up at out house at night, because of a machinery breakdown at the factory. And waking us kids up, too. Because, they couldn't even organize a telephone for him ... that network was basically what the Nazis had built, little to nothing added in our provincial backwaters.

Second reason is, the indoctrination definitely left it's marks. The West was always described as the evil, cold, dog-eat-dog culture we should be afraid of. And with 19 years old, I didn't know better [Link] That might have been different with relatives beyond the border.

Rowan Cocoan · 2021-11-01T13:19:40Z

codis Same here. Though I knew about politics, I still had no clue just how much we were lied to until I was around my late twenties. Yeah, I knew the drug war was a scam, but I was still stupid enough to think that the people behind it at the top were making mistakes or such. I figured stuff out early so by then I was aware and awakened en route to where I am. My job and predispositions surely helped me get there quicker than most. Also, I grew up watching that fucking draft like a hawk. Missed it by 3? years. I had my plan in place though. They'd gotten rid of the college deferment so I was lining up sponsors to go to the USAF Academy and become a fighter pilot which, honestly, I would have been good at. (Good eyes, reactions, not tall, never panic, etc.) I would have napalmed whoever they ordered me to, I'm sure. Even you.

I'm proud to say that even still, I've never killed anyone, nor been killed, although it's been a damn close thing many times.

RC

codis · 2021-11-01T15:52:50Z

Rowan Cocoan

...nor been killed ...

Who would have thought that ...

I'm proud to say that even still, I've never killed anyone,...

I would not have done that during my army time either. Just not that cold-blooded. We wer told about a border incident, were a guard emptied a whole 30-round magazine without hurting the "enemy". Half into the ground, and the other half un-spent besides him. He had chambered an automatic weapon after each single shot ... That could have been me.

Rowan Cocoan · 2021-11-01T16:24:10Z

codis Well, he must have been scared as hell. Have you heard about all of the rifles at Gettysburg that were loaded, not fired, reloaded, not fired. One had like a LOT of balls in it. Here:

Why the guns at Gettysburg were found loaded

The numbers we have today state that at least 27,574 rifles were recovered, although some sources claim the number to be as high as 37,000. Of the weapons that were salvaged, an incredible 24,000 rifles were still loaded (that’s either 87% or 63%, depending on which estimate you accept.) Of the total number, half had been loaded more than once, and a quarter had been reloaded multiple times. Apparently, one poor soldier had reloaded his weapon twenty-three times, but the weird thing is that he never fired a single shot.

Read that again: he reloaded his weapon, but didn’t shoot at all, and he wasn’t the only one to do this. Now at first glance, this doesn’t make any sense. However, there are some theories to explain this strange occurrence. One theory suggests that the soldiers, for whatever reason, were not firing, but wanted to appear as if they were participating in the volleys. The deception would work too. In that situation, there would be thick smoke, mass confusion, and deafening sounds of weapons discharging. A soldier would not be likely to notice even if it was his neighbor in the firing line was not shooting. All a person would have to do would be to mimic the motion of kickback as they pretended to fire. This theory, as well as a possible reason, can be found in Dave Grossman’s book On Killing , which details the psychological impact of killing in war. He came to the conclusion that the soldiers might have been unable or unwilling to shoot at the Union Army. [Link]

Those are people who wish to make it look like they're fighting and firing but are not.

RC

codis · 2021-11-01T17:11:04Z

Rowan Cocoan As the saying goes (if memory serves me...), you don't rise to the occasion, but fall back to your level of training.

This is an extreme situation, a kind of shock, were the neocortex is turned off. Just like the fearful sheeple who beg for the jab.

drongo · 2021-10-31T22:38:04Z

Dunno about secret police,but he surely was in a "relationship" with the Vatican. Different people, same shit.

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