Rogan encourages listeners to confront a pattern the establishment would rather bury: scientists with access to game-changing space, nuclear, and advanced energy secrets are dying or vanishing at an alarming rate.
"People have to understand this missing scientist thing. It sounds a little conspiratorial. It sounds a little silly, a little tinfoil hatty," Rogan explained, clarifying "Until you start thinking about the amount of money that would be lost if a breakthrough tech came around that revolutionized the way they distribute energy."
He continues, "Breakthrough zero point energy breakthrough whatever that is that these people are working on. Plasma technology, whatever the fuck that is. You would lose if you're in whatever business that would be competing with them. You're going to lose so much fucking money. You're probably going to go under. If you're in the energy business, you're going to... or he goes away, right?"
Rogan paints a vivid picture of the human cost: "Mystery around dead or missing scientists privy to space and nuclear secrets grows. Imagine being a scientist, you work so hard to figure out some amazing stuff that's going to transform the human experience and then people kill you. Literally kill you like in a parking lot, one of those silenced guns."
The comments land just as fresh scrutiny hit the ninth case in the growing list. Michael David Hicks, a longtime research scientist at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory who worked on the DART asteroid deflection project and planetary defense initiatives with direct national security implications, died at age 59. No cause of death was ever released publicly, and no autopsy record has surfaced. NASA and JPL have remained silent.
Comment: NINTH Scientist Tied to NASA Secrets Dies Mysteriously; Pattern of Deaths EXPLODES
A disturbing pattern just claimed its ninth victim. Michael David Hicks, a research scientist at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL), passed away on July 30, 2023 at the age of 59. The cause of death has never been made public, and no record of an autopsy being performed could be found. NASA and JPL have not commented.
This revelation pushes the total to nine scientists and officials tied to US secrets who have died or mysteriously disappeared recently.
The cases span NASA JPL, Los Alamos National Laboratory, advanced rocket propulsion, asteroid tracking systems with military applications, and classified space surveillance programs.
Hicks worked on critical projects involving comets, asteroids, and planetary defense initiatives with direct ties to national security technology, including the DART Project, NASA's test to see if humans could deflect dangerous asteroids away from Earth.
While no public allegations of foul play have been made in his specific case, his death fits squarely into a growing list that has now triggered alarm bells among national security experts and Congress.
Others who have gone missing or died include astrophysicist Carl Grillmair, shot dead on his front porch in February 2026; NASA JPL senior scientist Frank Maiwald, who died in 2024 with no cause disclosed; aerospace engineer Monica Reza, who vanished while hiking in June 2025; retired Air Force Gen. William Neil McCasland, who disappeared in February 2026 after overseeing billions in classified space programs; and others tied to Los Alamos National Laboratory and MIT plasma fusion research.
As laid out in the reporting on the exploding pattern of deaths among experts guarding America's most guarded programs, these individuals held knowledge that sits at the intersection of civilian space exploration and military applications — from hypersonic tracking to propulsion systems that could slash reliance on foreign energy and materials.
Rep. Tim Burchett has linked several cases directly to UFO-related knowledge and warned that the deaths send a clear message: people don't want to talk about unidentified flying objects anymore because they are afraid.
He has added that the numbers in these specific research areas are "very high" and urged Congress not to trust the government on the matter.
Former FBI officials have noted the suspicious nature, pointing out such targeting of critical technology experts has echoes of Cold War-era espionage.
Duncan Trussell, Rogan's guest on the April 9 episode, took the discussion further into territory that feels ripped from Terrence McKenna's wildest predictions. "We are heading for the APOCALYPSE. This is some Terrence McKenna style pre-singularity shit," Trussell declared. He pointed to scientists relating to the UFO stuff going missing, the breakneck rise of AI, congressmen and officials openly discussing aliens and demons, and escalating wars in the Middle East. "It's like everything converging into an apocalyptic river," Trussell noted.
The timing is impossible to ignore. These conversations explode publicly right as President Trump continues demanding the full release of UFO and UAP files long buried by layers of bureaucracy. The very experts who could illuminate breakthrough propulsion, gravity manipulation, or zero-point energy technologies are being removed from the board — whether through outright hits or convenient "disappearances."
Congress is already probing the string of incidents involving scientists working on space, gravity, and advanced energy tech. National security voices warn of foreign adversaries targeting American talent at facilities like JPL and Los Alamos. Yet the official response remains the same: silence, no comments, no transparency.
Rogan's point about motive cuts to the core. If zero-point or plasma breakthroughs could upend trillion-dollar energy distribution models, entire empires built on scarcity and control would collapse overnight. The deep state doesn't just protect secrets — it protects the cash flow that keeps Americans dependent.
Trussell's apocalyptic framing resonates because the pieces are aligning perfectly: suppressed energy tech, vanishing experts, AI accelerating beyond human oversight, open congressional talk of non-human intelligence, and global conflicts that feel engineered to distract. This doesn't feel like random chaos, rather appears to be convergence.
The American people have every right to demand answers. Taxpayer-funded programs at NASA, JPL, and Los Alamos produced these breakthroughs. The public funded the research. Now the public watches the researchers vanish while the same gatekeepers who buried the files refuse to explain why.
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Quote: " The timing is impossible to ignore. These conversations explode publicly right as President Trump continues demanding the full release of UFO and UAP files long buried by layers of bureaucracy. T he very experts who could illuminate breakthrough propulsion, gravity manipulation, or zero-point energy technologies are being removed from the board — whether through outright hits or convenient "disappearances."
This is nothing new.
This niche group of people (scientists connected to gubberment or elites) just happen to vanish without a trace (happens quite a bit) or dies tragically (rapid cancers included), never peacefully. This also runs high in specific disciplines too, not just spook scientists.
Just like the other high tragic mortality jobs of the entertainment industry (actors, musicians, poptarts)
Nothing to see hear.
I am assuming spell-checker missed this one??
I too have been following all this garbage since the 70s. Particularly since my daughter is part of said “entertainment” industry. Thankfully on a much lower level. Most of the “known” actors, musicians and poptarts are simply puppets. Many are related, have been placed in positions or are actively immersed in the games—maybe or maybe not of their own doing. They are quite often played against one another just for shits and giggles. Keeping eyes off the prize.
These “disappearance's” are different but not new. 300 microbiologists dead in run up to CONvid are a testament. There are probably more instances we do not know of. This is an ongoing issue that usually gets swept under the rug. Somehow, though, this one has bubbled to the surface. Things like this don’t just happen. There’s a reason. To blow it off as nothing to see “hear” is a tad juvenile. To some of us, it has a personal attachment.
Sarcasm doesn't always translate well in text.
Followed the microbiologist death count as well.
Guberment spooks are our own private mobsters, except worse. Know too much about what's coming down the pipe, your expendable. No loose ends.
What have these folks said publicly, to put themselves at risk or was it based on a psych profile...most likely to explain the lies when TSHTF.
Basically the General was the first to be reported “missing.” If I recall correctly, the SOTT article referenced him with UFO’s or whatever they’re calling them now. Then the “hiker” disappeared into thin air. Since then the rest of them have surfaced (so to speak). Reza (hiker) and another woman co-created the alloy together. The other woman died of cancer, rather young as I recall. The other missing woman was her assistant. Then all hell breaks loose.
Not sure any of them said anything publicly but somehow paid the price nonetheless. This will end up like everything else. Forgotten in 72-hours. Though I doubt MSM has said a word. As they’re paid to….
I've always been aware of the lies around us, do as I say, not as I do.
Give this a listen. I've noticed this too, seems off what's actually happening. Years ago Frontline had 4 cia operatives on a segment talking and breaking down what they did in latam, along side the news stories. They all spoke of how they were recruited. All asked at end for advice all pretty much gave the same answer (they were remorseful). When the government comes knocking on your door, we need your skills, saying it's a matter of national importance. They all said, just close the door and don't look back.
Hmmm....[Link] they say some interesting things.
Making it acceptable to the general public.
normalization is the operation
To me this encapsulates exactly what is ongoing now in media and everything in every day life. The digital age has brought about an artificial world in which most everyone is now lost in. Those of us who have seen and been a part of a much more natural world and have been saying this, were the original “conspiracy theorists.” Coined by CIA in 1964 after JKF assassination.
I saw the ramifications durning my early foray into to the computer world in 1984. Remember pro photographers champing at the bit for digital cameras to get better. Now everyone walks around with a digital phone camera that’s as good, or better than old their Nikons—and they’re out of a job.
As in Sound of Silence—people talking, without speaking, hearing without listening. Now lost in screens that control their very existence. All this and more, aptly summed up by that normalization thing, listed above.
Watching the video about these ex-agents, who seem like happy, normal psychopaths, who’ve always done the “right thing”—because they’re the “good guys.” Made me want to
Again though, this is happening across the board, in social media, the bought and paid for MSM, gubermental psychos, people whose existence is dependent on their political bias. The inability to think for oneself. You name it. The whole effing world is totally off their rockers.
But hey, all systems are n o r m a l . . . .