EXC: Chief Capitol cop told Tucker 'it's not crazy' to wonder about Ray Epps in leaked Fox interview

Raheem J. Kassam
The National Pulse
Thu, 03 Aug 2023 15:42 UTC

Former Capitol Hill Police Chief Steve Sund told former Fox News host Tucker Carlson that he was not "crazy" to question the behavior of individuals present in the January 6th crowd, one of whom in particular - Ray Epps - had bragged to his friends that he "orchestrated" the entire thing, before the Democrat-run Jan 6 Committee thanked him for participating in their charade.

In never-before-seen footage published exclusively by The National Pulse, Carlson asks Sund about Epps, though without using the Arizona man's name:

TUCKER: "So let's go back to the role of, you said nine out of the 18 agencies in the so-called intelligence community are military, Pentagon supervised... military intel. Would they have been gathering, it sounds like they were gathering information about January 6th before it happened?"

SUND: "Well, again, for Milley and Miller, to be that concerned about, uh, about January 6th in advance, they had to be getting the intelligence from somewhere. I mean, talk about locking down Washington, D.C.? That's a huge undertaking. Um, and again, to never, never notify me. But when you begin to sit there and wonder about..."

TUCKER: "You, you believe that they were gathering intelligence... I'm asking this because there was a very weird moment in the January 6th Committee, um, interviews and they interviewed a man who was caught on camera by a lot of people encouraging law breaking, encouraging people to to run into the Capitol to break the law... the implication was to commit violence. He has never been arrested or charged with anything. And that's just very, very strange. You know, over 1000 people have been charged, but he has not been. And so the Committee released a statement saying we are positive he was not working with law enforcement. It seems you have to be an idiot not to assume he's working with somebody. Why haven't they arrested him? I mean, come on. Right. So my thought was, well, they didn't mention military intelligence. This guy's a veteran. Am I being crazy in wondering this?"

SUND: "No, no, you're not [crazy]. I actually write about that person in the book. It raises concern for me, uh, his involvement. Uh, and the fact that we, we haven't learned more. Matter of fact, I think the January 6th committee thanked him for his candor."

In response to Joe Rogan recently discussing Epps, the Arizona man's legal team - which includes Democrat-and-Dominion-linked lawyers - said: "The fact that people like Joe Rogan continue to propagate the lie that Ray Epps participated in a false flag operation to instigate the January 6th riots demonstrates the widespread and lasting harm that Fox News has done to Ray. Without Fox's and Tucker Carlson's lies, Ray would be unknown and unassailed, running his wedding venue business with his wife and enjoying the ranch he and Robyn built. Instead, Ray continues to face the destructive consequences of Fox's decision to target him with falsehoods. Joe Rogan's comments are just the most recent proof of the perpetual damage inflicted by Fox."

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Trump Subpoenas Unaired Tucker Interview with Ex Capitol Police Chief

Former President Donald Trump has subpoenaed Fox News in an effort to attain an unaired interview with former U.S. Capitol Police Chief Steven Sund. The interview was originally intended to air as part of then-Fox News host Tucker Carlson's investigation into Jan 6 and the more than 40,000 hours of footage he was granted access to. The National Pulse yesterday released parts of the interview, with further clips due on Thursday afternoon.

One item of particular interest to Donald Trump's legal team is comments that Sund may have made to Carlson regarding the presence of federal agents in the crowd on Jan 6. In an interview with English comedian Russell Brand, Carlson stated that Sund believed federal agents were among the crowds protesting the 2020 Presidential election result:

"I never thought there was a false flag or anything like that. I'm not a conspiracist by temperament... And then I interviewed the chief of the Capitol Police, Steven Sund - in an interview that was never aired on Fox by the way. I was fired before it could air... He was the chief of the Capitol Police on January 6 and he said 'Oh yeah the crowd was filled with Federal agents.' He would know of course because he was in charge of security at the site. So the more time that has passed, now it has been two-and-a-half years, it becomes really obvious that core claims they made about January 6 were lies."

Carlson's interview with Sund could be a useful piece of evidence for Trump's legal defense, casting further doubt on official government claims about the circumstances of that days events. The unaired Sund interview appears to be a part of a broader legal strategy by Trump to demonstrate that the Jan 6 prosecution is not just a question of the former President's First Amendment protected right to free speech but also to call in to question the partisan media narrative surrounding the 2020 Presidential election and Jan 6 itself.