'Exposed butt cheeks, twerking & simulated orgies': FCC receives thousands of complaints over Super Bowl Halftime Show

Rowan Cocoan P.s., one of my exes keeps me up to date on the latest female analyses of these things. Some were:

1) The ladies our age would say, 'Wow, J.Lo. has done well to be able to keep that figure; BUT

2) Once Shakira took the stage, that J.Lo's butt seemed twice as wide as before.

God, I LOVE women!

RC

Rowan Cocoan " "That show was a disgrace to all that was moral, my family was watching, kids were watching. This is a disgrace to everyone who built this country before us. What a shame that our morals are being sold for profit," one person said. "

OMG! Turn off the f'g TV you frigging prude!

Rowan Cocoan The female body is beautiful. Little kids watching the show wont be harmed unless the 'Adults' make a big deal of it. Decades ago my son and I were on a beach in Mexico and naked women walked by. My son stared at them and looked up at me for reaction, I gave him a poker face and we walked on. He was about eight or nine. "Move Along, Nothing To See Here !"

BB go to stumbling bears (not bares lol) LIGHTEN UP Section

Bezel Bub I needed that.

LindaMay Pretty cute stuff...I would rather watch dancing bears than dancing senior citizens any day of the week

LindaMay Seriously...J-Lo should be setting a better example. What if this turned into a fad? Imagine sitting at the Thanksgiving table and granny hops up on it and starts twerking over the green beans!

Right BB!! A Scorp granny lollll

J-Lo is about as LOW as a babe can get - yuk!

Bezel Bub You're my favorite SOTT comedian!

LindaMay & Bezel Bub:

Did y'all read my 'orgies' v. "orgasms' below? (Most particularly the Twain excerpt? -re 'orgies' vs. 'obsequies.'...The last three paragraphs are classic.) (The King and The Duke are scam artists.)

Rowan Cocoan Im here all week...tell your friends...

Many of the wild tales about Caligula are exaggerations, not helped by Bob Guccionni's big budget porno epic.

Fact is he was kind like the Donald Trump of the Roman Empire. The Elite hated him because he took the mickey out of them (for eg declaring his horse the head Consul because he said it could do a better job than any of the human contenders)

As far as the Superbowl show goes, I have no doubt that as Rowan says, a lot of work went into the production and it was a spectacular performance. However, the question wasn't about the quality of the performance, but about context . If I took my family to a large sporting event in NZ and got that performance displayed in front of my young kids, I'd raise merry hell about it. I'm no prude and am pretty broad minded about human sexuality in it's proper time and place.

It was an Adults-Only performance and that's the context in which it should have been performed, and not in the context of a family-oriented event.

They're always trying to push the boundaries of acceptability and we do need to push back when we disapprove or they'll just keep pushing the boundaries.

There is a right time and place for such performances, but the Superbowl ain't it in my opinion.

Martin Harris But surely porno, and all it's connotations are a big deal, when one considers that the influence it has on a youthful population at this time, and the social political narrative.

After all the issues of human sexuality and it's place in child education are of great concern for parents.

And what is, as it seems to me is a postmodern free for all of anything goes, regardless of the consequences, we as adults, should be able to make choices.

Children are not bound by that, they are lead by their parents...for the most part, when parental information in their children's future is denied...then we IMO have a social breakdown...And the state is the surrogate parent, reminds of Huxley's Brave New World.

My thoughts.

Martin Harris "Fact is he was kind like the Donald Trump of the Roman Empire. The Elite hated him because he took the mickey out of them (for eg declaring his horse the head Consul because he said it could do a better job than any of the human contenders) "

Astute observation. RC

Precisely Joan. Are we disagreeing on something?

Pornography (which is a huge and far-ranging subject) is indeed a big deal, and especially the exposure of children to it. Which is why I disagree with the Half-Time show being so sexually suggestive; quite overtly so, particularly when there's a captive audience.

On the other hand, pornography has been around ever since our cave-painting days. It isn't going away. So it has to be controlled and regulated by both legal and social/moral standards and called out when we feel those laws or standards have been breached.

Martin Harris But it was a family orientated event, it was blasted on prime time!

Yes! I agree! Absolutely 100% agree.

Are you sure you read my comments correctly Joan?

We seem to be in total agreement on the matter of the Super Bowl half-time show being inappropiate

On the other hand, pornography has been around ever since our cave-painting days. It isn't going away. Martin Harris We have no way of evaluating that, it is purely subjective, and as far as evidence, there are no studies to substantiate that claim.

Joan ''they dont realise that we are bringing them the plague'', freud arriving in america

I had the sane question for Joan Martin.

Are you sure you read my comments correctly Joan?

And above that you clearly wrote

Precisely Joan. Are we disagreeing on something?

Joan Actually we have ample evidence of pornographic cave paintings, as well right through history and through most if not all major cultures. Egyptian and of course Roman being prime examples, but don't forget Mesopotamia, India etc.

No I won't publish links here in case I get accused of promoting porn

Try Googling the subject.

As to the future, current trends show porn is as popular as ever before and far more accessible (too accessible in my opinion). I recently heard someone describe porn as the current "opiate of the masses). To be sure, no-one has any way of knowing what the future holds, but since porn has evidentially been around for tens of thousands of years, and across multiple cultures, it is far more likely than not to continue to exist in one form or another for the immediate future.

Martin Harris Goodness me, you make so many claims regarding the sexual activities of out ancient ancestors, it boggles the mind. Are you some sort of sex addict with a strange interest in human sexuality.

The cave paintings or scribes into the wall of paleolithic caves and Egyptian wall hieroglyphics are in dispute, and the pornographic meaning can have much more spiritual meaning than pure pornography.

It could be a result of ecstatic spiritual experience, and now we have denigrated that experience, because lack of knowledge into a base overt sexual display

Oh, Joan!

No, I'm not sex addict I can assure you. I have immersed myself in all aspects of human development and history for many decades though, and this stuff sometimes raises it's head in the course of research, often quite unlooked for.

[quotethe pornographic meaning can have much more spiritual meaning than pure pornography. ]

I'm not talking about Egyptian religion and the Isis/Osiris creation mythology stuff here Joan. I'm talking about some pretty crude and explicit stuff and it's provenance seems rather solid.

Some is "official" art, some is graffiti by common workers. Regardless of whether or not one reads ritual or spiritual significance into such imagery, it is still pornography and would be treated as such were it presented in this day and age.

a result of ecstatic spiritual experience

well ,I suppose anyone could make such a claim about erotic imagery but some of the stuff I've seen in Egyptian art would be a stretch to describe as "spiritual".

Once again I won't provide links, especially as you've already suggested I'm some sort of pervert!

If you must know I am a Christian and I have a life-partner and three lovey young children in my life.

Sorry the quote got muddled with my words at the start of that last comment My fault

Martin Harris I am reminded of this article from Ancient Wisdom, seems to me that at the time pornography, was something of an aberration, possibly inscribed into the wall of the cave as an act of ...rebellion of conservative thought at the time, as with all stone creations, it is impossible to give a date...could be much older than we imagine.

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The image is entitled erotic cave art.

Nice artwork Joan, but I wouldn't class any of it as remotely explicit in a pornographic sense. Yes I'd put that in the classification of erotic symbolism. Not sure I'd consider it rebellious (compared for Eg to the crude worker's depictions of their rulers engaged in lewd acts, discovered in a well-hidden cave: THAT was rebellious!) And yes, I'm sure its many tens of thousands of years old.

Obviously our ancient ancestors had no less artistic talent than we do.

I have a question for you though. You made the suggestion that the pornography ("Erotic art") of ancient cultures and civilisations could be defended on the grounds that we could be denigrating something expressing "ecstatic spiritual experience", something that may " have much more spiritual meaning than pure pornography." as you so eloquently put it.

So coming back to the Super Bowl half time show, could one not claim the same defense for this performance?

And even if we could use such an excuse, would this change the conclusion that such a performance is too lewd for family viewing?

I wonder how much erotically themed ancient art was viewable by families and children, and whether there was the same controversy then as there is now with sexually charged art and performance?

Martin Harris My personal opinion, I think the act of sexual union was considered a sacred act. We have no way of knowing at this time in this day age what those those processes would be, it is all a gloss of authoritarian academic thought.

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have a question for you though. You made the suggestion that the pornography ("Erotic art") of ancient cultures and civilizations could be defended on the grounds that we could be denigrating something expressing "ecstatic spiritual experience", something that may " have much more spiritual meaning than pure pornography." as you so eloquently put it.

Well, I understand you have children, do you not consider sexual union to create another person, from the union of yourself and your partner...a gift from god.. and not an act of pornography.....A spiritual experience.

My thought.

And to my mind to denigrate that act, and to show overt sexual behavior (on prime time TV with a viewing audience that involves, young adults, or even younger) regardless of what ones does in the privacy of ones own space. It sends the message to young people that anything goes...The post modern era we are now living in now, in fact comparisons can be made in our day age to the collapse, and social upheaval prior to advent of what we call.... Nazi Germany.

My thought.

Thanks

Interesting and thoughtful perspective.

"to show overt sexual behavior (on prime time TV with a viewing audience that involves, young adults, or even younger) regardless of what ones does in the privacy of ones own space. It sends the message to young people that anything goes..."

I agree with that statement. In fact you'll find many an article on uncensored.co.nz exposing and decrying this very issue.

My partner and I don't broadcast our private moments publicly through media so therefore it isn't pornography.

The difference between social upheaval now, and the advent of Nazi Germany is that Hitler's gang were National Socialist. What we have pushing the world domination agenda today is Global Socialists: Globzis. Postmodernist Globzis!

Maybe they meant orgasmic orgies Rowan?

Rowan Cocoan I am reminded of Huckleberry Finn:

The king was saying—in the middle of something he’d started in on—

“—they bein’ partickler friends o’ the diseased. That’s why they’re invited here this evenin’; but tomorrow we want all to come—everybody; for he respected everybody, he liked everybody, and so it’s fitten that his funeral orgies sh’d be public.”

And so he went a-mooning on and on, liking to hear himself talk, and every little while he fetched in his funeral orgies again, till the duke he couldn’t stand it no more; so he writes on a little scrap of paper, “Obsequies, you old fool,” and folds it up, and goes to goo-gooing and reaching it over people’s heads to him. The king he reads it and puts it in his pocket, and says:

“Poor William, afflicted as he is, his heart’s aluz right. Asks me to invite everybody to come to the funeral—wants me to make ’em all welcome. But he needn’t a worried—it was jest what I was at.”

Then he weaves along again, perfectly ca’m, and goes to dropping in his funeral orgies again every now and then, just like he done before. And when he done it the third time he says:

“I say orgies, not because it’s the common term, because it ain’t—obsequies bein’ the common term—but because orgies is the right term. Obsequies ain’t used in England no more now—it’s gone out. We say orgies now in England. Orgies is better, because it means the thing you’re after more exact. It’s a word that’s made up out’n the Greek orgo, outside, open, abroad; and the Hebrew jeesum, to plant, cover up; hence inter. So, you see, funeral orgies is an open er public funeral.”

He was the worst I ever struck.

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Rowan Cocoan “I say orgies, not because it’s the common term, because it ain’t—obsequies bein’ the common term—but because orgies is the right term. Obsequies ain’t used in England no more now—it’s gone out. We say orgies now in England. Orgies is better, because it means the thing you’re after more exact. It’s a word that’s made up out’n the Greek orgo, outside, open, abroad; and the Hebrew jeesum, to plant, cover up; hence inter. So, you see, funeral orgies is an open er public funeral.”

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and the Hebrew jeesum, to plant, cover up; hence inter.

I had a discussion with a friend sometime ago regarding the word "Inter". It has two primary meanings, one being "to bury or cover up" and the other being "to go between or translate between" ie "Inter-state" ; "Interrogate"; "interpret".

This came up because my friend insisted "Interpret" meant "to cover up the meaning of". Which is strangely opposite what the true intent of the word is. Surely mis-interpretation!

Martin Harris Twain remains untouchable.