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Gobekli Tepe is huge! Researchers have so far only scratched the surface of what lies beneath

Dr.Martin Sweatman
Prehistory Decoded
Tue, 23 Jul 2019 02:48 UTC

This is for the benefit of those that haven't yet seen the subsurface radar scan of Gobekli Tepe. The above image is from Deitrich et al., Antiquity vol. 86 (2012), freely available on the internet.

The little portion of Gobekli Tepe so far excavated corresponds to the detailed portion of the map, bottom right, which includes the main circular enclosures A to D. As you can see, even Enclosure D, the oldest and largest enclosure yet uncovered, corresponding to the uppermost green circle is small relative to some of the remaining structures.

The structure right in the middle of the plot looks especially interesting - being nearly twice the diameter of enclosure D. Considering the progression of these structures - they seem to get larger as they get older - perhaps this central enclosure is the 'heart' of Gobekli Tepe, and will reveal a great deal more about its function and purpose.

But some of the other structures remaining in the ground also look to be massive. Quite possibly, we have only scratched the surface of Gobekli Tepe so far, and the main event remains to be excavated.

Reader Comments

Winternights2 · 2019-07-24T03:53:05Z

Seems strange, 7 days ago I mentioned this site and now it appears in Sott news, interesting.

Article gives little away.

I did a lot of research over 15 years ago, uncovered evidence of lost civilisations, many not spoken of, or even acknowledged today.

They tell of intelligence beyond today's current capabilities.

No wonder there kept secret.

I have all my research safely stored.

There are many, many civilisations that have come and gone.

I look at today's mankind as being the least creative and war thirsty.

I will not fill that gap between your ears, if you want to know more about Earth's past, get off your backsides and find out for yourselves.

It's eye opening.

codis · 2019-07-24T05:09:53Z

Winternights2

They tell of intelligence beyond today's current capabilities.

Well, definitely not dumber than us. At least equal - before the current rise of TV and smartphones, that is.

No wonder there kept secret.

There are many, many civilisations that have come and gone.

Agree. The most implausible explanations is current official history. Any faith in that will lead you in tautological circles.

To make myself clear, I'm not talking about you here ...

Saiko · 2019-07-24T15:57:54Z

Winternights2 Even the ancient Greek believed that humanity had different ages (like gold, silver or bronze), and each subsequent one was for some reason worse than before (people more evil and dumber for example). Religious Indians (from India) still believe something like that, except they think that the ages are cycled, i.e. after the worst one comes the next best one, again. Maybe such beliefs and myths have some foundation in reality.

Niall · 2019-07-24T18:10:42Z

Winternights2 Sott has carried articles on GT for over 10 years.

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StarEater · 2019-07-24T18:25:53Z

Can I read any of your research on the web?

DelamerDuverus · 2019-07-24T13:13:38Z

Winternights2, Delamer Duverus said that we are the fourth generation of humanity on this plane of Earth, and that each preceeding generation became highly advanced. When it was the "dividing of times", those of each generation who had learned the lesson of this plane of life, advanced, but those who had not were cast back to start over again. I imagine there is an overlap between the new and the old generations, but when the old generation advanced, the new generation almost had to start at the beginning again.

LindaMay · 2019-07-24T13:50:43Z

It does feel like it DD that we keep starting over at the beginning again n again n again.

Wash Rince Spin Repeat 🙈

George L · 2019-07-24T14:09:12Z

If Gobekli Tepe consisted of at least an ancient civilization,

Who were the first people of Gobekli Tepe?

Shalom

Bezel Bub · 2019-07-24T14:44:58Z

I have previously heard of this site, and after seeing this article did some online searching, ran across an article by Robert Schoch [Link] and there are a couple of things mentioned that stick out to me. The first is that the site was intentionally filled in / back-filled. I am not sure *how* they could possibly know this and even if were true, *why* they would have done so some 8K years ago. The other statement was,

"Even after Göbekli, there is little evidence of sophisticated building". Interesting. Maybe that is because at the time, there were not enough available humans to do the work. The time frames, 10.5K to 12K years ago, seem to coincide with cyclic Extinction Level Events, as theorized by Douglas Vogt at the Diehold Foundation, and many others.

If this world is indeed like a giant "Etch a Sketch" whereby every 10K years or so cosmic forces conspire to shake every thing up, do a reset, sort of like a global "Groundhog Day" event on a longer timescale, it would go a ways towards explaining mysteries such as Gobekli Tepe

Winternights2 · 2019-07-24T16:42:51Z

I'm going to retype a post I did 8 days ago, unfortunately copy and paste is not a option.

So here we go.

"There's been many a civilisation that has disappeared from Earth's surface.

There demise not always the same, famine, lose of resources, and sudden catastrophic change, that has taken many of them, to the now sea floor.

They are not mentioned in the classroom, talked about in archaeological circles, the reason probably being, is that it invokes the idea that Earth is not a stable planet on which to live.

Also it maintains a simple narrative, one that can be controlled by those who master over us.

Here's just a few

Mayo - Central American jungle.

Gobeki Tepe - Southern Turkey.

Indus Valley civilisation - India, Pakistan and Iran area.

The Easter Island people - Easter Island , who left us their Moai figures.

And of course the Mu, yes you read it right, the Mu - The legendary lost continent now deep in the Pacific Ocean.

So I get some what annoyed when there's this big hoo-ha, when they find something and so associate it with a "unknown civilisation".

There is a price to pay for opening your mouth and spilling the beans about Earth's past. Ridicule, being discredited, loosing your job and even mysteriously disappearing yourself.

Deep beneath Earth's oceans and Sea, lay the remains of lost civilisations, who's structures cannot be explained for the shear accuracy in building technology, and the of the stones used.

In a quarry, situated in Baalbek, Lebanon, there is a rock carved by man? That is 64 feet by 19.6 feet, by 18 feet, and weighs a estimated 1,650 Tons. Today, we don't have the technology to even lift it, but someone, or should I say something did, some 2000 years ago.

So mums the word,they don't want you to believe that aliens, or some other over sized man helped them, do they now."

That was what I posted.

I truly believe that we are deliberately kept in the dark with regards to Mankind's past.

StarEater · 2019-07-24T18:30:12Z

If you did not already, watch the shows with Graham Hancock on th Joe Rogan Experience on youtube. All episodes with him are very interesting and all touch on these subjects.

codis · 2019-07-25T07:07:21Z

StarEater Leaving all the details out:

The fact that Graham Hancock can give public speeches and publish bookunimpeded indicates he is not on the right track. Or hasn't anything dangerously true to say. Else he would be silenced one or the other way.

StarEater · 2019-07-25T19:51:54Z

I understand your point of view but if i thought that about every person that has more publicity then a anonymus commenter i would not have learned what i know today. I have personally met people who published books about “taboo” subjects and some have made some money and others were (made) bankrupt. Both were equally interesting and thr info dangerous. Prejudices are not going to make you any smarter

Winternights2 · 2019-07-24T19:20:06Z

StarEater

Thanks for the reference.

I've found out enough for one life time.

Civilisations, I can comfortably state, have been and gone.

We have the technology today to understand Mankind's past, yet no, it all remains a mystery.

A mystery made so.

It is obvious has to why this is, the history books would need to be rewritten.

I dealt with profit protection, I know how to dig the dirt.

l'm not here to change people's minds, no, more a case of asking them to be so diligent, and find out for themselves.

Winternights2 · 2019-07-25T02:11:56Z

StarEater

None of my research is in the public domain.

It's stored In a rather old tower computer, which is sat in a corner of the office upstairs gathering dust.

StarEater · 2019-07-25T19:53:54Z

And why not share it? I would like to read it and learn from it. Knowledge left unshared is knowledge wasted

IncenDiary · 2019-07-25T21:04:58Z

Ah, I understand now. What a waste.

StarEater ·

Back to your cave

· 2019-07-25T21:57:17Z

IncenDiary · 2019-07-26T06:02:35Z

StarEater I am in my cave. What's up? I agree with you, though, it would be nice to read and learn from his collection, but I doubt there's anything new there that we haven't already seen ourselves here, there and elsewhere. It's a waste he had such passion to collect such knowledge, as it is, back in the day, and now it's gathering dust on a PC that 50/50 may not even boot anymore anyway. Such is life.

StarEater · 2019-07-26T06:26:54Z

My apologies, i misunderstood. I agree that it is a waste but do not that i doesnt contain anything new. Most new discoveries (mainstream) archeology makes is based on stuff found in archieves. Who knows what treasures lie between those floppy disks

IncenDiary · 2019-07-26T06:49:13Z

StarEater Very true, actually. Everyone is unique, and considering the state of the internet, some or more or what he collected might be scrubbed or only available on obscure archive sites. I certainly don't disagree it would be fascinating, but he keeps insisting we do our own work - which is true for real research and work - but I doubt the sources he utilized back in the day would still be in existence. Most especially for the more controversial findings, I agree. I remember Google started scanning books onto the internet years ago, but they stopped that for some reason. Well, we all know the reason

Wardy · 2019-07-28T00:29:18Z

Consider the pre-flood world portrayed in Genesis: people living 900 years with a common world-wide language. Can you imagine the science and technology they could achieve? And how morally bankrupt?

Tsakoug · 2022-12-18T00:49:36Z

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From the scholar known as ThePeopleOfAr

This post is an update to my five-part series on “Who were the Urartians?”

Right after I published my articles on the Urartian identity, a very interesting paper was published in Science magazine by the leading authors on ancient genetics, Iosif Lazaridis and David Reich. The paper is titled: “The genetic history of the Southern Arc: A bridge between West Asia and Europe” and is mostly focused on tracing the Proto-Indo-European homeland.

As I have explained in my video on the same subject, Reich and Lazaridis concluded that the Proto-Indo-European language must have originated not in the Steppe, as previously believed, but somewhere on the Armenian Highlands.

But this is not the subject of the current post. Instead, I want to focus on the Urartian DNA from Van (ancient Tushpa) that was finally released by Turkish academics for the purpose of the above-mentioned paper.I have long suspected that the DNA from Van, the heartland of the Urartian kingdom, would be a great match for modern Armenians. However, despite numerous excavations of Urartian remains, the Turkish authorities have been extremely reluctant to release genetic data. For the purpose of this international paper, however, they finally have.

They have released five Urartian era samples from Van, one of which is an outlier, effectively only four. The results are even more fascinating than I could have anticipated.The results are crystal clear: the Urartians from Van are indistinguishable from modern Armenians and the closest modern population these samples score to are exclusively the Armenians.G25 PCA plot of various populations in the Near East compared to Urartian DNA from VanAs you can see from the above PCA plot of various populations from the Near East, ancient Urartians from Van are indistinguishable from modern Armenians. The few samples that have been released clearly overlap with modern Armenians. As the sample sizes for both the Armenians and Urartians from Van increase over time, there is no doubt in my mind that both groups will continue to overlap even more.

Genetic distance of average Urartu samples from Van to other populations. We can confirm these results also by using the G25 Vahaduo genetics calculator, where we can see the genetic distance of various groups to each other. The lower the number, the closer they are genetically. As you can see, out of all the populations, the Urartian DNA from Van is closest to modern Armenian populations. They are literally indistinguishable. Especially, Armenians from Urfa, Erzurum, and Gesaria score extremely close to an average Urartian from Van.It’s also worth noting that modern Armenians don’t score as close to any ancient population as they do to the Urartians from Van.

All of this is undeniable evidence that, when it comes to the genetic argument, there should be no doubt by now that Urartians were simply Armenians of the Iron Age and no one else.

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