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A South African deputy minister said Thursday that the man who turned out to be faking sign language as an interpreter for the deaf during Tuesday's memorial event for Nelson Mandela did not speak English very well and worked for a company that has "vanished into thin air."
Hendrietta Bogopane-Zulu, deputy minister of women, children and people with disabilities said at a news conference at the state-owned South African Broadcasting Co.: "I don't think he comes from the streets. He comes from a school for the deaf."
The interpreter, Thamsanqa Jantjie, who stood on stage beside the world's most powerful leaders, including President Obama, earlier told the Johannesburg Star that he was schizophrenic and hearing voices but said he had no choice but to remain on stage and motion with his arms.
Bogopane-Zulu suggested that even if he does know sign language, Jantjie's English-language skills still weren't adequate, especially for an internationally broadcast event with hundreds of visiting dignitaries from South Africa and abroad.
"For you to be able to interpret, you must understand the language that's being spoken at the podium," she said. "He is Xhosa-speaking as his first language; the English was a bit too much for him. So, yes, he could not translate from English to sign language."
The flap - and the unresolved contradictions it entailed - started Tuesday when deaf South Africans saw Jantjie waving with his arms, touching his forehead and reaching out with embracing motions that didn't make any sense. He was a fake, advocates for the deaf said.
Web sites and radio shows here were flooded with condemnations of the African National Congress-led government and the organizers of the memorial at FNB Stadium in Soweto for failing to figure out whether the man was simply waving his arms around.
"Please get RID of this CLOWN interpreter, please!" Bruno Peter Druchen, head of the Deaf Federation of South Africa, tweeted during the memorial service.
"ANC linked interpreter on stage is causing embarrassment amongst deaf ANC supporters. Please get him off," added Wilma Newhoudt, a deaf member of the South African Parliament and vice president of the World Federation of the Deaf.
But the man remained on stage, and on Wednesday, his performance became the focus of a new storm of criticism. People who phoned an afternoon radio call-in show said the situation showed inept hiring, insensitivity to the deaf and a serious security lapse on the part of event organizers. And, they said, it marred the solemn event by distracting attention from Mandela and the world leaders who came to pay tribute to him.
On Thursday, the Johannesburg Star reported that Jantjie, the interpreter, said in an interview that he was suffering from schizophrenia and that he had lost concentration and started hearing voices during the event. He said that made it hard to hear the speeches and interpret but that he couldn't just leave, so he stayed on.
"There was nothing I could do. I was alone in a very dangerous situation. I tried to control myself and not show the world what was going on. I am very sorry, it's the situation I found myself in," Jantjie, 34, told the Star.
He said that he works for a company called SA Interpreters and that they told him on Monday that he would interpret at the memorial service. "Life is unfair. This illness is unfair. Anyone who doesn't understand this illness will think that I'm just making this up," Jantjie told the Star.
In other interviews, however, Jantjie defended his performance at the Mandela memorial. Asked if he was happy with it, he told Johannesburg's Talk Radio 702: "Absolutely, absolutely. I think that I've been a champion of sign language."
Bogopane-Zulu, the deputy minister, said that Jantjie, 34, "was not a professional." She said he was paid far less than a professional sign language interpreter would have earned and that the company that allegedly employed him was a fraud.
Bogopane-Zulu added: "It's a clear indication that over the years they have managed to get away with this. They have been providing substandard sign language interpreting services to many of their clients."
She apologized to deaf people who were offended and were denied translations of the memorial speakers' remarks.
According to the Associated Press, Collins Chabane, one of South Africa's two presidency ministers, said the government was investigating and "will report publicly on any information it may establish."
The agency also reported that an address and phone number that Jantjie provided for his company in an interview turned out to be false.
White House officials on Wednesday directed questions about the interpreter to the South African government but gave no indication that there were concerns about Obama's security arising from the discovery.
"I think the point is that he apparently was not translating him into anything but was enjoying the opportunity to be on the stage," Josh Earnest, the principal deputy White House press secretary, said Wednesday at the daily briefing. "It would be a shame if a distraction about an individual who's on stage in any way detracted from the importance of that event and the importance of President Mandela's legacy."
It was the latest controversy in a week devoted to remembering Mandela. President Jacob Zuma was booed by the crowd at the stadium, rain kept "overflow" stadiums largely empty, and lines of people waiting to see Mandela's body in state Wednesday snaked their way through a hot, jam-packed parking lot while a single security checkpoint slowed progress.
Many viewers of Tuesday's event noticed that the man was using the same gestures over and over again. Druchen tweeted that the man "is not using sign language at all."
Sign language interpreter Francois Deysel tweeted, "please can someone ask the interpreter to step down from stage, it is embarrassing and making a mockery of our profession."
"He is just making gestures which does not make any sense," said Thelma Kotze, a sign-language interpreter for SABC News who only saw Jantje's performance later. "It's not worthy of being called an interpretation. . . . We said on a light note that he was doing the macarena."
Video clips show that this wasn't the man's first performance - or the first at which he appeared to be signing gibberish. He was the interpreter at the ANC's Mangaung policy conference in the Free State last year. He interpreted the controversial song "Shoot the Boer" led by Zuma during his election campaign. When Zuma said people would run, the man pumped his arms up and down. Often, the man's gestures were the same as Zuma's. (Boer is a term for white Afrikaners.)
Druchen observed that the phony interpreter "knows that the deaf cannot vocally boo him off. Shame on him!"
Interpreters are not unusual in multilingual South Africa, where large groups of people speak English, Afrikaans, Zulu, Xhosa or other African languages. Druchen recommended that signing be made the country's 12th official language.
Sign language interpreters and others in the United States and around the world also expressed outrage at the incident.
"We, along with many other organizations, are disappointed with the process that selected the interpreter that was shown on camera for the Mandela service, and feel that a great disservice was done to both the South African signing community, and the international signing community," the Registry of Interpreters for the Deaf, based in Alexandria, Va., said in a statement.
The World Association of Sign Language Interpreters, based in Australia, said: "This situation stresses the need for continued public education about the formal training required to be a qualified sign language interpreter and the need for interpreter and deaf associations to collaborate on pressing governments for standards."
The National Association of the Deaf, based in Silver Spring, Md., said interpreters must be vetted.
"Each country has its own national sign language and sometimes even regional sign languages," the association said. "In the United States, we use American Sign Language (ASL) while in South Africa, most people use South African Sign Language (SASL), which is distinct and uses different signs than ASL. We, at the NAD, cannot assess the qualifications or fluency or lack thereof of the interpreter in this video, but are informed by the South African deaf and hard of hearing community that this interpreter is not legitimately interpreting in SASL."
One expert in the United States who reviewed a video of the event said problems with the purported interpretation were easy to see.
"When I watch him, he appears to be doing a lot of repetitive hand motion. It doesn't look like any natural sign language to me," said Melanie Metzger, head of the department of interpretation at Gallaudet University, a prominent school for the deaf and hard of hearing in Washington, D.C. "What he's doing is not matching the speaker. He's not interpreting the speaker."
Metzger said another tipoff was that the man onstage used minimal facial expressions. Authentic interpreters around the world, she said, make extensive use of their eyebrows, cheeks and other parts of the face to communicate in sign language.
Nick Anderson and Scott Wilson in Washington contributed to this report.
Reader Comments
How many of the people who have committed horrible acts have stated that they heard voices telling them to commit those acts?
Why they didn't pull him from the stage between speakers is what I want to know.
Could this have been some sort of dry-run? Or are the unseen forces that are at work in this density just trying to confuse us even more than we already are?
Ineptitude at this type of high profile event is inexcusable and the fact that people are finding this whole thing comical worries me more than anything else.
Something smells fishy and rotten in this whole affair. In this highly staged event, so called memorial for Nelson Mandela, i.e. the psycho-fest, this sign language 'interpreter' accused of many violent crimes, including rape and murder, for which he was never convicted of, 'helped' by the 'mysterious' disappearances of files _[Link]and "having suffering from a schizophrenic episode on stage during the memorial" was repeating the same hand gestures over and over again. What was he doing? And who ('they", what group) had the power to put him on stage numerous times and why? As it was pointed out, this individual was at the scenes of many recent events 'interpreting' for Zuma who was booed, while Obama was cheered and applauded... Obama, Clinton, Bush Jr.. etc... what a company! Warmongers, liars, greedy and corrupt politicians. Was he sending a message? And if yes, then to whom? Or he was under influence of psychotropic drugs? Or is there more sinister plot and this show is part of it played out in front of the whole world by the psychopathic cabal?
Not so long ago, a 'conspiracy' theory was introduced on the Internet that Mandela's death would be used as a sign for a large group of blacks in South Africa to attack whites. _[Link]So, the question is: was this 'interpreter' put in place to give validation to this theory, and if yes, to which part of it. From it:
"One of these extremist white groups call themselves “Dogter van Sion” – translated “Daughter of Sion”. They believe themselves to be directly related to the original Israeli Jews, i.e. they see themselves as “the chosen nation of God”. They have some ridiculous “proof” tracing their bloodlines from South Africa back to Europe and then back to Israel. And South Africa is their “promised land”. And according to them, God will deliver the country back to them." Interestingly enough, these claims sound exactly the same as the claims of Israeli 'zionists'/ultra-right rabbinical sect in Israel when it comes to their supposedly god-given 'right' to the land of Palestinians, or any other land that it's deem desirable for fulfilling their interests for "greater' Israel, parroted by Christian 'zionists' and the US government leadership as well other leaders of the 'free' world who give their full support. This group of essential (genetic) psychopaths using the tenets of Talmud had been whipping up racial hatred between white and blacks, and other 'races'. All the systems they put in place as in apartheid, slavery, genocide, wars, it's not a black and white issue, so to speak. Psychopaths use race, economic 'inequalities', religion, or whatever suits them at the moment to get what they want - power, wealth and domination. They blame and shame whole races for the deeds designed, 'encouraged'/coerced and conducted by them with the assistance of characteropaths. Psychopaths exist in every country on earth. This group had moving through millenia around the world colonizing places one by one leaving in it's wake slavery, cast system, apartheid as it was in Africa and now in Palestine. If one looks at what the Israeli 'leadership' with religious right rabbinical sect and almost all of the Israeli society are doing towards Palestinians, Africans and the so-called 'others' as bedoins (building more and more settlements, spreading hatred and discrimination, building concentration camps, raising whole villages to the ground, it becomes clear from where this group directs it's movements at the moment. So, is it a coincidence when South Africa took steps to boycott the Israeli companies joining the BDS movement to pressure Israeli leadership to stop stealing land, the event such as this did happen? I think not. And the high strangeness of many aspects of it, specifically, the appearance of this 'interpreter' who's bizarre behavior points out to the 'conspiracy' theory mentioned above, looks like is designed to scare, produce apathy and inaction against speaking out against psychopaths in power from large numbers of the human beings. Revolt! Support BDS movement! Speak out! Boycott the international corporations that provide Israeli government with products that it uses directly to conduct it's brutal policies against Palestinians. Support local farmers, artisans and build the support system locally. Know the system and separate yourself from the influence of psychopaths step by step.
The Secret Service is supposed to independently vet anyone who gets close to the President. That's part of their job. What happened? The 'signer' has some problems, and an alledgedly dubious past. I'll wait for the vetting process to clear as to exactly what that past fully entailed.
I sense somebody, some group unknown, was sending a message, and it wasn't sign language.
It like "Hey, we can put an unstable (and potentially deadly) person next to any world leader at any time."