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Child smuggling food into the Warsaw Ghetto

Child smuggling food into Gaza

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redrock12 · 2010-06-09T17:50:43Z

You're Right!

The pictures speak for themselves.

Smiley · 2010-06-09T18:46:26Z

Gawd damit

this wasn't supposed to happen this time!

WHY , are we all repeating this, ? who is hitler this time?

Whitedog · 2010-06-09T20:36:14Z

NOT

I disagree with the comparison as the posters here will disagree with me, but for the sake of truth and not bias.....The man in the bottom picture is being pulled from a tunnel which collapsed. The tunnels are dug because they are extremely lucrative and the only way to make money in Gaza. The tunnels are used to bring in things that are NOT considered humanitarian aid. The Gazan's are not starving, any amount of humanitarian aid can come in once it is checked to be sure their are not items which can be used to make weapons such as Qassam rockets.
The picture on top IS someone smuggling in food to the Warsaw Ghetto in WWII to a people who were being starved. We must all be aware not only of propaganda from the opposing side but from our own as well. Actual truth doesn't pick a side and both sides are right and both sides are wrong. Trying to compare these photo's to Nazi Germany is an act of a journalist who would write for the Tabloids. It is incorrect and meant to stoke hatred amongst the intransigent who seek only to bolster their own prejudice rather than check its validity. It is better to seek the truth than to seek to make your prejudice right.

Rabelais · 2010-06-10T02:42:36Z

Since you seem to be an expert...

Could you possibly supply some credible references to support your "opinions" about the functions of the Gaza tunnels?

szob · 2010-06-10T03:19:08Z

Excuse me...

Whitedog: [..]but for the sake of truth and not bias.....

and then you write: The Gazan's are not starving, [...]

Excuse me, but apparently you must suffer from MPD. In one sentece you mention truth and in 2 sentences down the line you bring up a major lie. Or maybe in your schizoidal world Gazan's are not starving.

I would not be supprised if your IP tracked to Israel.

Whitedog · 2010-06-10T12:53:54Z

Re: Excuse me

SZOB,
With all due respect, I am not Israeli or even religious, I am agnostic and I working class caucasian American. Secondly, all your hatred hinges on "the great lie" as Hitler called it. You refuse to believe anything other than what supports your own prejudice. This is human nature, people tend to read and immerse themselves in information which bolsters their own point of view. This site is evidence of that. If you wish to separate truth from propaganda you MUST look at information which you think is a propaganda or disagrees with your point of view. It will allow you to better see the lies put out by people who support your view point as well. The truth is generally somewhere in the middle. I say again the Gazan's are not starving at all, they lack the ability to get everything and anything they want but humanitarian aid which is inspected is not prohibited. Organizations can bring in more aid than Gaza has a place to put it. If this site were full of Islam haters I would also argue against aspects of that point of view. You may remember that in 2005 Israel FORCIBLY removed the Israeli's from Gaza in an attempt to make concessions to the Palestinian Authority and then Pres Mahmoud Abbas and Fatah. In 2007 Hamas staged a coup and thew out the Palestinian Authority and murdered numerous Fatah "security and police" to seize control. At that point both Israel and Egypt closed their borders. Hamas has launched an estimated 6311 Qassam rockets into the border city of Sderot, Israel. In Dec 2008 Israel mounted an operation to stop the Qassams. Both Egypt and the Palestinian Authority blamed Hamas for the incident. Since the blockade the rocket attacks have almost stopped. Neither Egypt nor Israel will allow materials which can be made into weapons in to Gaza; including concrete which Hams confiscates and uses for military purposes while ignoring the housing of the people and blaming all on Israel. As an agnostic I especially detest the Abrahamic based fundamentalist religions of Judaism and Islam. Since 85% of Jews are secular I have no problem with the Jews as a people just the hardcore zealots. Same with Islam, Islam is like the Ancient Torah on steroids. I study Islam regularly and have read the Qur'an. Hadith and Sira and study them daily. The Israel you hate and the Mohameddan Muslims that practice Sharia are the same filth. So I wonder why you hate 11 million jews and ignore 1.5 Billion Muslims? Who is the greater danger? Or is your hatred so blind that you will even side with a devil as long as they hate who you hate?

Sojemand · 2010-06-11T04:29:36Z

Hate?

No one hate "the Jews" nor "the Muslims". These are people whom want to live in peace like everyone else, no matter what religion they have.

I don't know why this is so hard to understand. The cause is NOT the majority of normal, healthy and peace loving man. The real danger is this small part of psychopathic rulers whom force this majority into war after war while using lies and manipulations to let people belive that the "enemy" ist out there.

And psychopaths are not religious, they only use the face of religion to hide itself. No matter what religion, Jewish, Christian, Muslim, Hindu etc. whatever. This is what makes religion violent. And not only religion, but governments and corporations also.

The reason why the main focus is israel, is the fact, that this psychopathic government with the label "Jewish" is, in fact, today the main player of artificial terrorism in the whole world with the power to plunge everyone else in the abyss of an nuclear world war. The prototype of how psychopaths act so to say.

But sure, the Hamas also has her own psychopaths. The same game in the USA, Germany, China, Russia, name it. But the biggest bully on the shoolyard (today) is Israel, whom punish the people of Gaza for his own benefit. They don't have to do this, but they do! And why? Because they can! Because they dont care about normal people! Because they just use them to gain more power, more money. If they have to kill 100, no problem. 1000, 10.000, 1 Million? No problem! We are all just cattle, here to serve them, nothing more.

Do you really belive, that these Quassam rockets are the real reason for the embargo? Think twice! These rockets don't harm them. These rockets only harm normal people and in return they also kill normal people. Do you see what happens? Psychopaths killing normal people.

Pychopaths know each other and you can bet on it, Israel know who is responsible for these rockets and if they want, they could stop this within a single day, but they don't because they need the others, the smaller bullys to have a plausible reason to act like they act without showing the world for what they really are. A smoke screen, nothing more.

This is why we have to point to israel, to the most lunatic bully who threatens the rest of the world, if they (the smaller bullys) don't do what they want, they will begin to throwing around a-bombs like candy. Honestly, is this sane?

So, who hate Jews?

peter · 2010-06-10T13:40:46Z

look at the bigger picture whitedog

whitedog when were you last in Gaza. You think you speak with the voice of reason, what about if the isreali citizens were removed to make it easier to bomb the hell out of the palestinians, only a gullible fool believes the isrealis want peace. They torment the indigenous people daily, fomenting unrest and desperation. Hardly a way to peace, the arguments not about hate but justice.

Smiley · 2010-06-10T13:54:34Z

hitler missed?

id have to dis-agree whit ya , hitler did miss ass u can see the largest outdoor jail ever, and Hitler dint make it!

Dang, A man b3fore his time- so your being is against the occupation or, no? well, our belief in god or not aint helping the Palestinian's at all.
'not starving', wonderfull!

can u type that again for me please-- say 'not starving'-or better yet try to get to Gaza, on Orbit, or Kayak.com- fkn idiot

seems if u go there to help them, you will get shot at by , god fearin Israelis-
and dead too! whit a hand full of food- u idiot terrorist!
u dont have a cave a doo ya? would make u so much more of a target, to not catch-

then the world continues- them guys are ok with shooting 'goy's' - its a big fun for them. almost as much fun as the new Arizona law, they just havent started shooting yet.

which is an anti semetic law, i mite add, lots of mexicans have jewish blood, back in the day, The King of spain, kicked a lot of jews out of the country. before they started this- 'no country for old men', crap- the entire gulf region was inundated with 'em, -.

what jews? yep and Spaniards'

So get your gun, head to Arizony, and start shootin' - you can kill one or two of them other 'arabs', they all look alike to me -even them jewish types, look like mexicans.
god fearin jews any who`

Whitedog · 2010-06-10T15:27:52Z

Post deleted?

I know when I have a post deleted I have hit too close to the truth. Apparently my last post was to on point. I wont waste my energy repeating it. Those who speak truth have always been censored and assassinated through history.

Joe · 2010-06-11T05:00:15Z

No Post was deleted

must have been a glitch. Sott does not censor, except in cases where abusive comments are written. So please feel free to re-post your comment.

System · 2010-06-10T19:14:28Z

Both Starving?

I think it will be found to be true that there is starving in Isreal as well as Gaza. The problem seems to be, in my humble 'opine' that the Zionest should reconsider their situation. Next to the good ol' U.S. of A., Isreal is the most dispised nation in the 'free world'. Not a good place to be (Geographically either). I think they should consider breaking ranks with the U.S. and get the heck outta Lebanon. Their 'Land Grab' is now exposed for what it was (we have world-wide media now), so they should pack it up and follow Net-en-ya-hoo back to Northern Europe, if the ol' boy can follow a 'GPS'.

neonurse · 2010-06-11T01:06:07Z

Just one question for whitedog

Why did the Israeli's attack a ship, known to be carrying peaceful people and humanitarian aid, and kill several of those people, in international waters? I do however think you have an excellent point about only immersing yourself in the things that you believe are right and not always considering the other point of view, but I think SOTT does their research and I know that all I have to do to see the other point is to turn on my TV in the good ole USA.

Metro · 2010-06-11T02:15:59Z

What is going on with SOTT

For a site that prides itself on understanding psyhcopaths and their traits. Why are you using the same propaganda that they would use?

To start with, thats a man not a boy in the gaza tunnel (how do i know its a tunnel and not people exploiting the market with high priced goods). You present no information about either of those pictures.

I've noticed these traits with sott's agenda and its worrying.

Joe · 2010-06-12T12:08:40Z

I see

so you're saying that there are no similarities between the Warsaw ghetto and Gaza, specifically, the respective policies of those in power to slowly starve the population?

Y-Truth · 2010-06-11T08:04:29Z

Dear White Dog

Did you know that chocolate and coriander seeds are used to make bombs? You didn't? Neither did I. So please explain why they are banned. Please explain how dolls for children are for bomb making. Now that we're on the subject, do me a favor: go down the enormous list of things that have been banned and tell me/us how they are used to make bombs. Your thesis & those like you is a fraud. You have presented rationale that the Nazis were right in that all the reasons Israel gives for persecuting Palestinians are all the reasons Nazis gave for persecuting Jews WITHOUT EXCEPTION.

Smiley · 2010-06-11T08:32:26Z

OMG, Listen to what he said!

"For a site that prides itself on understanding psyhcopaths and their traits. Why are you using the same propaganda that they would use?

To start with, thats a man not a boy in the gaza tunnel (how do i know its a tunnel and not people exploiting the market with high priced goods). You present no information about either of those pictures.

I've noticed these traits with sott's agenda and its worrying."

see ther!planned drop, we call that in CIA Town,
predicted expected and planned, good fkn stuff --it, makes a compelling arguement - except at the end.
that madafaka really has kno, idea.

well sorta, but im tellin ya that guy doestn have a real idea, just does what he is told.its almost cute, almost.

Metro · 2010-06-11T10:51:06Z

Fred?

It's difficult to follow you. If your point of posting was to reference that Im suggestible to remote viewing or propaganda from CIA? Im listening. You write as a cold reader, allowing the reader to make up theorys of his own based on your writings. Its annoying and almost marks your writings out to be ignored.

My point that I was making was the as of lately. SOTT hasnt researched the backstory of images or videos in the depth I would usually expect. They appeared to me. To simply accept a story if it was in their intrest or favour.

That bothered me. So now im subjected to a random poster saying I have no idea what im talking about.

Please elaborate then. In English. In sentances we can all read and understand.

Joe · 2010-06-12T12:11:33Z

Smiley...

two of your posts have already been deleted. Unless you can make your posts understandable and relevant, they will continue to be deleted. Thanks for your co-operation.

Niall · 2010-06-11T13:42:09Z

The point

is that Gaza is a ghetto. What the Israelis do to Palestinians today is no different to what the Nazis did to Jews then. Of course no two situations are exactly the same, but it's close enough for horse-shoes. That you can look at the second photo and ask if that teenager (young man? does it really make such a difference to take away from the point being made?) is "exploiting the market" suggests to me that you have been completely taken in by those who really do have an "agenda". Those tunnels are desperate measures taken by a starving population.

Metro · 2010-06-11T14:07:30Z

Again

Where in my post did you read about me denying or disputing the conditions in Gaza? Why should I not consider that its plausable for people to not only smuggle food because its needed but also to make a vast profit on that food? Wasnt this also the case in the ghettos?
The real point is that if you intend to build a strong case of evidence. Don't make it flimsy. Clearly anybody can see that's a man not a child. There is no source of information from where these pictures have been taken. Making comparisons between the ghettos and gaza is a point worth making. It's a point worth making well that can stand up to scrutiny.

Already, people have said the tunnels are used for weapons. They are used to bring 'luxurys' to sell at a higher price. These arguments could of easily been dismissed had evidence or source on the picture been used. It hasnt and as such is open to interpretation.

Already I can hear the knifes being sharpend and the shout for me to be named as a cointelpro. The fact is that Ive worked hard against such cointelpro people, such as Higher Balance. Also making monthly donations and one off donations to SOTT.

Joe · 2010-06-12T12:21:38Z

Metro...

First, I would suggest you google "children gaza tunnel", where you will find all the photos you like of children involved in smuggling food through tunnels into Gaza.

Second, it is not our job to convince anyone of anything. We present data, sometimes this data is text-based, sometimes it is more graphically-oriented, and people make up their own minds based on our research AND THEIR OWN, or they make up their minds based on their own bias.

Whether or not the person in the Gaza photo is over 18 or not is largely irrelevant given the massive body of other data available that leaves no right-minded person in any doubt about the similarities between what the Nazis did to the Poles during WWII and what the Israelis are doing to the Palestinians today.

In short, the point being magde in this Sott photo-article was that Gaza is like the Warsaw ghetto. The facts on the ground show that to be true. There is, therefore, nothing incorrect or manipulative about the above photographs or the comments below them. They convey a general Truth that is easily discernible, and indeed irrefutable by anyone interested in the Truth.

We appreciate your support, we are not going to call you Cointelpro, but we could do without the histrionics.

Metro · 2010-06-12T13:07:53Z

Re

Thank you for the reply.

Considering the level of rationality displayed on Western / EU side lately, I think they will do it anyway. Which only hastens their demise.

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