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Will the West survive the globalist psychopaths? Will the Phoenix arise from the ashes as the West globalism crumbles?Yes the globalist psychopaths Phoenix will arise as multipolar even worse :
It ALL depends on spiritual values being reborn in civilization.Still do not agree with you that traditional spiritual "values" like: family, marriage is between a man and woman, going to church every Sunday, not cussing, being Christian(where you must accept Jesus Christ as your personal savior), is the answer eighter. One only has to remember the inquisition, and the crusades...You may see this as an "attack" but I only see it as a disagreement. Have a good day Dwoods44.
Still do not agree with you that traditional spiritual "values" like: family, marriage is between a man and woman, going to church every Sunday, not cussing, being Christian(where you must accept Jesus Christ as your personal savior), is the answer eighter. One only has to remember the inquisition, and the crusades..We agree on much, but... how many times have we seen something that ends up corrupted? The inquisition and crusades are great examples. We could add much more about institutional religion. (I am going to focus on christianity because of experience and understanding). so have you, even you, those holding the teaching of the Nicolaitans—which thing I hate. The system of heirarchy is such teaching, and eliminates the process of refinement, iron sharpening iron (like a SOTT comment section :). Are the teachings compatable with the examples shared? NOOOO! We have the blind leading the blind off a cliff.
How do we have community, or as LM states come.unity, without some unifying force/Spirit? We can obviously see the fruit of selfishness... greed ect... trying to fill the void that is unfillable. Without spiritual values based on Love not sentimentality (TY LM) there arrises the need for an artificial value system because of the potential for evil within... enter Larry EllisonFirst up Let me know your thoughts on the below:
“If you wish to converse with me, define your terms.”Laws are better than "values" and "morals" so I would like to stay within that since it is unambiguous. For example, for murder there is law against. Some laws are bad laws but at least we can point to them and talk about it. Saying I have "values" isn't defined enough for me. Saying I am "spiritual" and have "values" makes one look like a nut job in my opinion.
― Voltaire
The categories of PaRDeS (garden of Paradise):Wiki on Rabbi Akiva (the Jesus of Judaism):
Pshat(PA) - the literal sense of a verse or passage.
Remez(R) - the Aggadic , or allegorical level.
Derush (De) - Midrashic of Talmudic admonitory and legal level.
Sod (S) - occult; the level of Kabbalistic mystical gnosis
A Tannaitic tradition mentions that of the four who delved into the PaRDeS (legend), Akiva was the only one who was able to properly absorb this wisdom , with the other three suffering various consequences as a result of the attempt.[47] This serves at least to show how strong in later ages was the recollection of Akiva's philosophical speculationNow turning to Socionics Information Elements/functions [Link] of which I claim from my analysis maps to PaRDes(above):
Laws are better than "values" and "morals" so I would like to stay within that since it is unambiguous. For example, for murder there is law againstIn spite of the law, there is murder. There are lawyers/politicians justifying murder on scale. If Murder is wrong, is written on the inner being, call it what you may, spirit/concience/moral fiber/values, it produces the outcome that the law can't on the lawless.
That includes gratitude, kindness, courage, generosity, patience, respect, trust/connection to a higher dimension.+honesty. agree...
I will reply in more depth, hopefully. Not sure I am capable of defining terms adequately.Why not?
In spite of the law, there is murder. There are lawyers/politicians justifying murder on scale. If Murder is wrong, is written on the inner being, call it what you may, spirit/concience/moral fiber/values, it produces the outcome that the law can't on the lawless .I am a bit confused...Are you saying that having "spirit/conscience/moral fiber/values" affects someone without those things(like a psychopath)? You having "spirit/conscience/moral fiber/values" does not stop the psychopath(from murdering) who does not have these things(no remorse). However, the one thing that could stop a psychopath is application of the law. "spirit/conscience/moral fiber/values" are not meaningless, but they need context rather than just hand waving to them eluding you have them and someone else does not(in my opinion).
Without the union of gnosis and the action we have those who know better, but do the opposite.I looked up "union of gnosis" and stumbled on the following?
Gnostic Christians emphasizes being reborn in Spirit, building a personal spiritual relationship with God, and becoming Christ-like by enacting the teachings of Jesus Christ in our lives.Is this a correct interpretation of "union of gnosis"?
HEART; emotions (also feelings) don't lie and are unconditional unconditioned. Neutral, objective, with no lettuce to sell to 🐰 like manipulating MINDS needing to convince and are conditional.Yes you can emote emotions and figure out what they are. Tryed to make sense of your word salad going to a 🐰and got lost...Let me see if I can duplicate it here with an example:
Gnostic Christians emphasizes being reborn in Spirit, building a personal spiritual relationship with God, and becoming Christ-like by enacting the teachings of Jesus Christ in our lives. Is this a correct interpretation of "union of gnosis"?Yes, exactly.
There is a parable of salt losing it's savor/ability to preserve. If there is an increase of people who look to do the right thing regardless of an excuse, temptation or loophole, it Will have a positive influence on society.Yes, this is a good point. Right now though I don't see much resistance going on(and still think that application of the law may be the only way to stop it). And because people continue to be divided into camps like Christians and Muslims, and various sects, there can not be much progress. It is hard to get on the same page, when people think for example, that the only people that are advancing thought unity are Gnostic Christians...
TBorisThere certainly is an acceleration that we feel. Evolution does not wait around. The 🚂 has left the station.Gnostic Christians emphasizes being reborn in Spirit, building a personal spiritual relationship with God, and becoming Christ-like by enacting the teachings of Jesus Christ in our lives. Is this a correct interpretation of "union of gnosis"?Yes, exactly.
Your perfect examples of the crusades and inquisitions show religious zealotry without following the teachings. That is why I point out the doctrine of the Nicolaitan (conquer the laity)scripture. Followers/Christians are supposed to test all things and study to show thyself approved, Not blindly follow men who desire to rule or a system. True believers were to understand the essence and intention of the teachings of Christ and apply them at all times being led by a sensitive concience/Spirit.
W e have a society where manipulation, exploitation, cheating, lying, looking for loopholes to circumvent the intention of the laws and much more, has become normal and acceptable. Of course those things have always existed, but there seems to be acceleration.
There is a parable of salt losing it's savor/ability to preserve. If there is an increase of people who look to do the right thing regardless of an excuse, temptation or loophole, it Will have a positive influence on society.
LindaMay If there is no increase of people becoming truth , doing the right thing, the liers will organically decrease lol.More word salad LM. People do not become "truth". Doing the "right thing" needs a measuring stick besides "belief"(or being in a exclusive club of "believers" i.e. Christians only). Otherwise, it is your truth and my truth. There can be not agreement of reality under those circumstances. And I don't think God would want that for us.
Thank God for THAT.
And this is why I think that getting on the same page for thought unity is reconciliation of the major religious faiths. So this would mean for example creating a map for the concept of: "building a personal spiritual relationship with God, and becoming Christ-like by enacting the teachings of Jesus Christ in our lives" for say Hindus. To me that would be Dharma with teachings of Krishna . Let me know your thoughts on that?
Your truth is personal. Others don't agree.What I am discussing isn't personal. Yes there are many that would not agree with me. So be it.
I'm not religious. I follow the path of Love not dogma nor your obsession with rhetoric and projections nor delusions.."Path of Love" is very non-descriptive to me. Walking around with your heart and not hearing your mind is a recipe for disaster. To me there needs to be balance between heart and mind. Not one for the sake of the other. Sure some peoples minds are full of self serving ideas but not all minds.
Are you saying all the religions have to change to line up with one religion like Gnosis,The destination is relationship with God, not religion. That takes place within. It is personal.
The destination is relationship with God, not religion. That takes place within. It is personal.From reading the Cs for years and my own experience, I see a greater self that is not God(but is closer to God than I am from a metaphysical perspective). This greater self is a coalescing of life experiences, awareness, including this life's experiences. This includes my grandmother's life experiences, my 3D self on earth, and many others. A genetic soul group as the Cs explain - our 5D self. This is the source of the blood lines. And this is the higher self in my mind that is reaching for union with God(7D) through the guide which is the Cs (6D - 'we are you in the future'). The lives we live are dynamic. My grandmother's life is still 'alive'. The future can inform the past, and the past can be changed and is changing constantly.
You spoke earlier of laws and the importance of defined terms. What if God's terms for what is acceptable (the only one that matters) is perfection? And to have harmony created us all imperfect, so that when held to the plumbline of perfection, judgement, we would be humbled. Then UnityI don't think that God's terms are perfection. I truly see no absolutes despite Mary Poppins or Martha Steward being "perfect". Love those guys. To me God created a universe with free will. This is a giant sandbox. We come back to create the world anew when 'we are you in the future' is ready in the union with 7D and not a moment before that. We don't know the hour or the day, despite LMs constant hopes for an 'etch a sketch' clearing being eminent. To me it is liberating seeing our life experiences as being just part of many others to reach the "plumbline of perfection" as you put it. To me God gave us('we are you in the future') freewill so we can choose to come back to "Kali" when 'we' are ready to no longer need material bodies. Note that 'we' on SOTT is way different than 'we are you in the future' yet not really different in a cosmic way(I think). So unity to me is just one Lego building block at a time. One agreement, one contract, one understanding at a time.
We have seen in mankind's history, there has never been peace and unity. It is hard for us in the finite time construct to imagine a map toward lasting unity, but we certainly have examples of corruption over time.Yes we are in a repeating pattern(retaking a major human race exam that we failed last time). I thought it was highly interesting that the Cs said that all the souls that were here on Earth when Atlantis fell (what Earth was called then), are the same as the times we live in today. So the map to unity in these times (I think) is an examination of the major conflicts taking place when Atlantis fell. So that is why I was studying ("book worming" as LM would say) Mahabharata because the Cs said that the conflict 'we' are having is the same as what Mahabharata describes. So I figured the 'answer' to breaking the pattern and moving forward in the human race and 'unity' was in that text. So that is where I learned it was a conflict between those that follow the 'law of the jungle' and those that follow 'Dharma'. And the best I can map to these times is Darwin's Eugenics enforcement of 'survival of the fittest' (and those that follow that) and 'you' and 'me' figuring out beating Karma(what 'Dharma' is I think). And that is where the stuff I posted above about
"One more thing turning to 'Judaism's Strange Gods' by Michael Hoffman, page 144"comes into play (as a possible way perhaps)...
I walk about Earth now seeing other lives as personally connected to my own. One person's life lessons are part of my own at some levelThat does resonate with me.
TBorisAhhhh what an absolute lovely gift of a surprise read on Sott this morning lifttveil. Heavenly thanks for that. 🙇♀️Are you saying all the religions have to change to line up with one religion like Gnosis,The destination is relationship with God, not religion. That takes place within. It is personal.
What is one of the things that hinders? My own misconception of God, influenced by misunderstandings and poor ambassadors that misunderstand. I may reject that concept thinking I am rejecting God, when I am really rejecting an idol of my heart/mind.
When you had the experience of your Grandmother visiting you after death, it certainly affected you. God uses unique details and circumstances to bring each to the desired readiness. I also had an experience.
Dharma with the teachings of Krishna is an admirable undertaking.
You spoke earlier of laws and the importance of defined terms. What if God's terms for what is acceptable (the only one that matters) is perfection? And to have harmony created us all imperfect, so that when held to the plumbline of perfection, judgement, we would be humbled. Then Unity
We have seen in mankind's history, there has never been peace and unity. It is hard for us in the finite time construct to imagine a map toward lasting unity, but we certainly have examples of corruption over time.
Dharma with the teachings of Krishna is an admirable undertaking.I would adjust '
admirable' to a survival strategy , undertaking
lifttveilTBAI all timelines occur simultaneously (past/pre.sent/future), in heart/soul however our mind can only experience one at a pre.SENT moment. Our opportunity to constantly expire.ment (renounce the illusion) therefore renounce monkeymind 🐒🤯 judgeMENT de.RIVE.d (de.shored) via sentiMENT.ALity.The destination is relationship with God, not religion. That takes place within. It is personal.From reading the Cs for years and my own experience, I see a greater self that is not God(but is closer to God than I am from a metaphysical perspective). This greater self is a coalescing of life experiences, awareness, including this life's experiences. This includes my grandmother's life experiences, my 3D self on earth, and many others. A genetic soul group as the Cs explain - our 5D self. This is the source of the blood lines. And this is the higher self in my mind that is reaching for union with God(7D) through the guide which is the Cs (6D - 'we are you in the future'). The lives we live are dynamic. My grandmother's life is still 'alive'. The future can inform the past, and the past can be changed and is changing constantly.
So now that I explained my perspective, the relationships that I am ("personally") trying to develop are with others on the way to God, not directly with God . As Dwoods44 posted on that one link, the next step up from separate is interconnected. So these relationships just happen for me now (maybe that is your concept of being reborn?). I walk about Earth now seeing other lives as personally connected to my own. One person's life lessons are part of my own at some level(even if I can't understand as I walk in 3D). I know this is a lot, but let me know if any of that resonates with you?
lifttveil1 agreeMENTYou spoke earlier of laws and the importance of defined terms. What if God's terms for what is acceptable (the only one that matters) is perfection? And to have harmony created us all imperfect, so that when held to the plumbline of perfection, judgement, we would be humbled. Then UnityI don't think that God's terms are perfection. I truly see no absolutes despite Mary Poppins or Martha Steward being "perfect". Love those guys. To me God created a universe with free will. This is a giant sandbox. We come back to create the world anew when 'we are you in the future' is ready in the union with 7D and not a moment before that. We don't know the hour or the day, despite LMs constant hopes for an 'etch a sketch' clearing being eminent. To me it is liberating seeing our life experiences as being just part of many others to reach the "plumbline of perfection" as you put it. To me God gave us('we are you in the future') freewill so we can choose to come back to "Kali" when 'we' are ready to no longer need material bodies. Note that 'we' on SOTT is way different than 'we are you in the future' yet not really different in a cosmic way(I think). So unity to me is just one Lego building block at a time. One agreement, one contract, one understanding at a timetime.
lifttveilSurvival of the jungle vs SURVIVAL of the wisest.We have seen in mankind's history, there has never been peace and unity. It is hard for us in the finite time construct to imagine a map toward lasting unity, but we certainly have examples of corruption over time.Yes we are in a repeating pattern(retaking a major human race exam that we failed last time). I thought it was highly interesting that the Cs said that all the souls that were here on Earth when Atlantis fell (what Earth was called then), are the same as the times we live in today. So the map to unity in these times (I think) is an examination of the major conflicts taking place when Atlantis fell. So that is why I was studying ("book worming" as LM would say) Mahabharata because the Cs said that the conflict 'we' are having is the same as what Mahabharata describes. So I figured the 'answer' to breaking the pattern and moving forward in the human race and 'unity' was in that text. So that is where I learned it was a conflict between those that follow the 'law of the jungle' and those that follow 'Dharma'. And the best I can map to these times is Darwin's Eugenics enforcement of 'survival of the fittest' (and those that follow that) and 'you' and 'me' figuring out beating Karma(what 'Dharma' is I think). And that is where the stuff I posted above about"One more thing turning to 'Judaism's Strange Gods' by Michael Hoffman, page 144"comes into play (as a possible way perhaps)...
TBorisBlack hole = shadowI walk about Earth now seeing other lives as personally connected to my own. One person's life lessons are part of my own at some levelThat does resonate with me.
I imagine, like a Black Hole, which we used to think destroyed matter but now we know it transforms matter, our understanding when influenced by God/ is Pure Love/is Truth, is changed. Magnatars are also quite interesting.
I look forward to the process of becoming more connected... in the midst of the present shaking, it is a most welcome contemplation. We will see in the unfolding ages, while we don't agree on everything now, once the Truth is made clear, we will.
lifttveil I imagine, like a Black Hole, which we used to think destroyed matter but now we know it transforms matter, our understanding when influenced by God/ is Pure Love/is Truth, is changed. Magnatars are also quite interesting.Yes 'we' change by our will ever perfecting God as God ever creates more perfect(eternities meaning I think). But never "perfect" - again there are no absolutes(run into lots of paradoxes and problems with absolute "truths"/"laws" etc.). Relates to what the Cs said recently about unindividualized vs. individualized souls and degaussing ("soul smashing"). When one 'self' walks the path of truth, they are doing so for the sake of others(not depriving them of their freewill), but also for the sake of individualized service-to-self(STS). Basically the "win win" scenario. When one is on a path of deception, and 'evil' action, depriving both themselves and others of their "do as thy wilt" they are on a path for "degaussing" ("soul smashing" a.k.a. A "lose lose" path) into primal consciousness matter(back to 1D awareness like rocks and minerals, or animal forms of awareness in 2D bodies) - as above and below "black holes" etc. So yes "God" is in everything, consciousness rises, but it is breakable and reusable as well(individual "consciousness" probes as we are). That is why the Cs describe "heaven" as 5D (the recycling zone) where our greater selves "degauss" "lives" that are off the path of "truth" and coalesce unify awareness on truth and right "win win" paths. At least that is my take of it. Let me know if any of that resonates?
Dharma with the teachings of Krishna is an admirable undertaking.When one "walks" Dharma with Krishna, it is NOT "survival"(as LM protests a bit too quickly I think ). Krishna was giving advice/wisdom (in the context of the Mahabharata) to the side opposite of "law of the jungle"/"enforcement of survival of the fittest"(in our day)... to the side of Dharma. Krishna represents both "law of jungle" and Dharma. So yes, I agree it is "admirable"(you are right!! :)) . If it was just survival, then Dharma would just be avoiding Karma which it is not. Dharma is walking the walk("win win"/unity as described above) which to me maps to becoming "Christ like" in Christianity but not in the limited Parent/dad/"man spreading" "sun god" ("walk in the sun" [Link] ) limited mindset...Have the most awesome day LV, and anyone else that even agrees a teeny-tiny bit with all my yakking(or not)...See everyone wins!!
You talk so much TBAI you rarely ever in atleast 2-3 years of exchanges ever read my words for what I write & mean. Goodness!! No one WINS!!lifttveil I imagine, like a Black Hole, which we used to think destroyed matter but now we know it transforms matter, our understanding when influenced by God/ is Pure Love/is Truth, is changed. Magnatars are also quite interesting.Yes 'we' change by our will ever perfecting God as God ever creates more perfect(eternities meaning I think). But never "perfect" - again there are no absolutes(run into lots of paradoxes and problems with absolute "truths"/"laws" etc.). Relates to what the Cs said recently about unindividualized vs. individualized souls and degaussing ("soul smashing"). When one 'self' walks the path of truth, they are doing so for the sake of others(not depriving them of their freewill), but also for the sake of individualized service-to-self(STS). Basically the "win win" scenario. When one is on a path of deception, and 'evil' action, depriving both themselves and others of their "do as thy wilt" they are on a path for "degaussing" ("soul smashing" a.k.a. A "lose lose" path) into primal consciousness matter(back to 1D awareness like rocks and minerals, or animal forms of awareness in 2D bodies) - as above and below "black holes" etc. So yes "God" is in everything, consciousness rises, but it is breakable and reusable as well(individual "consciousness" probes as we are). That is why the Cs describe "heaven" as 5D (the recycling zone) where our greater selves "degauss" "lives" that are off the path of "truth" and coalesce unify awareness on truth and right "win win" paths. At least that is my take of it. Let me know if any of that resonates?Dharma with the teachings of Krishna is an admirable undertaking.When one "walks" Dharma with Krishna, it is NOT "survival"(as LM protests a bit too quickly I think ). Krishna was giving advice/wisdom (in the context of the Mahabharata) to the side opposite of "law of the jungle"/"enforcement of survival of the fittest"(in our day)... to the side of Dharma. Krishna represents both "law of jungle" and Dharma. So yes, I agree it is "admirable"(you are right!! :)) . If it was just survival, then Dharma would just be avoiding Karma which it is not. Dharma is walking the walk("win win"/unity as described above) which to me maps to becoming "Christ like" in Christianity but not in the limited Parent/dad/"man spreading" "sun god" ("walk in the sun" [Link] ) limited mindset...Have the most awesome day LV, and anyone else that even agrees a teeny-tiny bit with all my yakking(or not)...See everyone wins!!
Extremely rarely.. the 🍎 falls from a 🌳Not "rarely" it is a function of nature. Different apple trees different apples. Essential Psychopathy ( see 'Political Ponerology' definitions ) is genes coming from the mother's side of the family(the prominence but not exclusive in Ashkenazi genotype). Another is a result of damage to the frontal lobe during birth (not parenting again). The last is due to some drugs numbing the remorse senses (now that one could be parents but certainly not in mass effect compared to other factors)...
Stop looking for excuses.I am going to keep at it out of: "gratitude, kindness, courage, generosity, patience, respect, trust/connection to a higher dimension" and love... It is not "extremely rarely". Brothers and sisters can still turn out very different even when raised by the same parents(regardless of becoming psychopaths). Genetics is tied to behavior. Also, there are influences besides just the parents (siblings for example). I prefer my apples from the tree definition. And isn't it good that there are different types of apples?
Knowledge & refined energy has been easily & abundantly available beginning in the 50s especially, as have excuses become cheap n easy.The 50s was a time of great abundance in the US. It was the age of 'Leave it to Beaver', and 'Happy Days'. Only one parent had to work and the other could stay home and raise the kids. The changes to get rid of pensions, raise interest rates on mortgages, require both parents to work, and induce fear of losing ones job, was the greed of the leadership, not the "excuses become cheap n easy" of the masses/parents/people...
Spirituality is Love of come.unity, not sentmentality.See my comments further above in this post.
(I'll skip the ostrich/sand link).Thank you!
"The Fourth Political Theory does not seek to revive the West. It seeks to replace it."
It would be nice to live the next 80 to 100 years to see what really does become of our societies.