Society's Child

Washington state father confesses to killing daughter's boyfriend who allegedly sold her into sex trafficking

Nick Monroe
The Post Millenial
Mon, 01 Nov 2021 02:07 UTC

Eisenman says he rescued his daughter from a sex trafficking ring last year and killed the boyfriend responsible for selling her.

19-year-old Andrew Sorensen allegedly sold his girlfriend into an apparent sex slave operation out of Seattle last year. But the girl's 60-year-old father got her out.

John Eisenman was able to rescue and return his daughter to Spokane, according to local reporting out of Washington state. Then the since-arrested father killed Sorensen, in the report described by the Spokane police press release. According to KXLY.com, Eisenman's bond is set at $1 million dollars. Per reporter Erin Robinson, the press release relies heavily on the father's confession.

The murder happened in November 2020. It's reported that Eisenman confronted Sorenson somewhere in Airway Heights. Court documents state Eisenman admitted to abducting Sorensen, tying him up, and putting him in the trunk of his fiancee's car. Law enforcement said Sorenson was hit in the head with a cinder block and stabbed multiple times to death.

Even now, Sorenson is listed on the Washington State Patrol's website as a missing person despite his body being recently found.

The car was abandoned for a year with the battery taken out so nobody would bother with repairs or drive the vehicle.

It took until Oct. 22 of this year for the Spokane, Washington, police to find Sorensen's dead body in his abandoned car. It took a week for authorities to track down Eisenman and charge him with first-degree murder.

Eisenman has no previous record and complied when authorities took him in.

Reader Comments

Rowan Cocoan · 2021-11-06T03:42:30Z

Sorry. Don't buy the sell the sex slave bullshit. Sex slaves or human trafficking used to be known as prostitution and pimping. Changing the terms don't change the facts.

Bitch being a whore is no reason to kill the pimp.

R.C.

Good Optics · 2021-11-06T03:53:15Z

Rowan Cocoan You can't know that any of what you said in the first sentence is true and it's fact you're not a dad

B_Pilgrim · 2021-11-06T04:08:56Z

Rowan Cocoan Wouldn't have expected this from you, pretty harsh.

If dead guy did in truth abduct and sell this girl to a pimp, I'm glad he's dead and hope the father walks with a medal and cash reward.

Rowan Cocoan · 2021-11-06T04:48:20Z

Good Optics & B_Pilgrim So, if y'all were in charge of death row, this is how you'd put someone down:

The murder happened in November 2020. It's reported that Eisenman confronted Sorenson somewhere in Airway Heights. Court documents state Eisenman admitted to abducting Sorensen, tying him up, and putting him in the trunk of his fiancee's car. Law enforcement said Sorenson was hit in the head with a cinder block and stabbed multiple times to death.

Y'all should read this one:

Yes, The White Girls Involved with Pakistani Drug Gangs are “Guilty” and Should be Punished*

If girls aged 11-14 join Pakistani drug gangs, they must be punished for it. If they are not punished for it, and are instead awarded the sacred status of “victim” for having joined the gang and serving as drug addicted prostitutes in a criminal enterprise, other girls will see that. When the Pakistani shows up outside the school, the girl will run through the consequences system in her brain, and understand that the worst possible outcome is that she gets caught and is given the status of “victim.” The argument from those who believe these girls deserve “victim” status is that the girls don’t know what is going on. The assumption is that a girl, aged 11-14, is incapable of understanding the concept of rules. I don’t really believe they don’t know what sex is, and don’t understand any of the subtext of a man trying to pick them up in a car. Especially after this has been all through the media for years, and surely parents and teachers alike have warned girls about it, this idea that the girls have no idea what is going on is clearly somewhat absurd. However, it ultimately doesn’t matter if they are totally unaware of sex completely, because every single child on earth knows you’re not supposed to get in a car with a stranger.

These accounts have been published extensively in all of the British tabloids.

All of these accounts start with a girl getting in the car with a strange, foreign man. And actually, they didn’t just take them and rape them. They would take them to their kebab restaurants, and give them alcohol and/or drugs. Then the girls would continue to go back to the men, and get involved in drug running and prostitution for years. The pimps would always be the “boyfriend,” as is typical of pimps. The girls would regularly be asked to get other girls from their school to join the gang. They would also move drugs. That’s what was actually happening. This is what has been ubiquitously called “grooming,” which is an ill-defined term, and seems to have been invented specifically to remove any responsibility from these girls for joining a drug gang and committing illegal acts for years on end. (Lots more there. https://dailystormer.su/yes-the-white-girls-involved-with-pakistani-drug-and-prostitution-gangs-are-guilty-and-should-be-punished/)

*Of course it goes without saying that AA still has a lot to learn about libertarianism and how it ain't the drugs that are evil, it's the laws making their users illegal, etc. Prostitution should be legal too.

RC

Lemuel Gulliver · 2021-11-06T06:31:27Z

Rowan Cocoan Good Friend, this is uncharacteristically harsh of you. I assume you are talking about Pakistani gangs in Britain recruiting white British girls for sex services, and not gangs in Pakistan, which is a very different culture where women are less than chickens or cows - mere chattels.

You are correct, in that Britain is a free country, and there is nothing to stop British girls going to the police and revealing what has (supposedly) happened to them. But I would hazard a guess that these girls come from poor, lower-class, abusive homes, probably with an absent father and foul-mouthed, abusive working mother, or perhaps being physically and emotionally abused by both parents. In a case like that, sexual intimacy is perhaps the only illusion of tenderness these girls have experienced in their short, sad, depressing, drug-addled lives. Yes, they are probably, in most cases, willing victims. However, in some cases, perhaps not many, but sometimes, they are perhaps doing it for a supply of drugs to feed their addiction, which has been created by the pimps or the gangs.

In this present case, we do not have the full story, perhaps because the police are withholding details for use at the trial. Perhaps the murdered boyfriend got the daughter addicted, or in some other way got her under his influence, and used her as his bitch. I can perfectly understand and appreciate her father's rage and desire for revenge. Nobody can rely on the legal system to deliver justice in this country any more. You must know that. Examples of criminals walking, and of innocents being persecuted even unto death, are legion. Our legal system is a joke. So I can fully understand the father's taking justice into his own hands.

Let us not (1) Extrapolate from other circumstances to the circumstances of this case, and (2) Make judgments based on incomplete information. Thanks for listening....

- LG

adipocere · 2021-11-06T10:49:21Z

@RC:

Rowan Cocoan · 2021-11-06T15:42:24Z

Lemuel Gulliver Only the girl herself can get her 'addicted' absent the fake Hollywood bullshit that happened in The French Connection. Also, even if it were true, policy based upon a single individual or a couple of 'claimed' events is stupid. (The old legalism about that is 'hard cases make bad law'. HCMBL) Likewise with 'government' protecting literal hookers by calling them 'victims of human trafficking.' Legalize prostitution and watch it all go away. (They've got brothels in Nevada for Christ's sake!)

Examples of criminals walking, and of innocents being persecuted even unto death, are legion. Our legal system is a joke. So I can fully understand the father's taking justice into his own hands.

I think you are there conflating malum in se crimes (such as the murder here) with malum prohibitum crimes like drugs or prostitution. If you are saying that our Consitution isn't sufficient or correct, you surely know how to get it modified. In the meantime, and speaking from experience, ours was the best that's existed in known history!

And despite my acknowledged history as a whore*, I've never awakened with regret and blamed it on her! nor society! It's called individual sovereignty and responsibility, which going away from has CAUSED all such bullshit like this and GAVE that murderous father his 'chance' to literally 'murder' someone. That's a PIG mentality which has destroyed western society! WAKE UP FOLKS!) (I'm sure there were ladies who awakened with me and felt similarly, but they didn't run to daddy and claim I got them hooked on Drano and helped get psycho father to come kill me, but I guess that NONE of y'all have ever heard a woman lie about anything. That must be nice. You surely ain't met any psycho bitches from hell, but they're out there.

Also, EVERYONE who is defending this, please tell me WHY this, in particular, was reasonable and not a reprehensible fucking murder:

I REPEAT:

So, if y'all were in charge of death row, this is how you'd put someone down:

The murder happened in November 2020. It's reported that Eisenman confronted Sorenson somewhere in Airway Heights. Court documents state Eisenman admitted to abducting Sorensen, tying him up, and putting him in the trunk of his fiancee's car. Law enforcement said Sorenson was hit in the head with a cinder block and stabbed multiple times to death.

Y'all are defending that based on the claims of an acknowledge junkie and hooker!!! I damn sure wouldn't want any of y'all to defend any of my clients! I likewise note that ALL replies have completely ignored that reasonable query! Ask yourselves 'why?' HCMBL!

RC

*But not a gigolo which I'm sure is mostly another Hollywood trope. Also, why can't these bitches do that? Spare me the sociological rationalizations which only encourage more such behavior. Please read AA's entire article. [Link] )

rc

Rowan Cocoan · 2021-11-06T15:51:29Z

Rowan Cocoan Y'all ought to read my discussion with Spur below. In it we discuss at length some case histories from back when the laws were far more reasonably followed by the courts.

I particularly invite your comments there about my crack smoking client. Did he deserve life in prison? Should I have only fought so so and pled him out to seven or five years, or, hell, fifteen, for that matter, on the word of a homeless crack whore who NEVER told the same story twice?

REPLY THERE, because I'm curious how PC y'all's replies will be since she willingly smoked his crack that he paid good (probably stolen, granted) money for. She deserves to be treated the same as if the guy had hopped out of the bushes, grabbed your sister or wife or girlfriend or mother back into them and raped her? I am honestly curious.

Judging the Judges

I recently had the occasion to re-watch, after oh so many long decades, the Stanley Kramer classic from 1961, Judgment at Nuremberg. And the viewing experience resonated into an unavoidable series...

Spur · 2021-11-06T17:15:04Z

Rowan Cocoan I was involved in a rape and abduction case where my client was one of 5 defendants. The story she gave of being held down by 4 (one holding each limb) while another did the dirty to her. Long story short, my cross-examination of her got her to admit that my bloke was in the front seat of the van messing with the radio while she was getting poked.

She was the 'town bike' and made up a story of being raped because she was late to being picked up. - It was an ugly 3 week trial, but all the young blokes were acquitted.

slbeaudry · 2021-11-06T19:23:00Z

Rowan Cocoan it COULD go both ways for sure but having two sisters both of them have been raped, one of whom was drugged. 🤔 ummm. You're way off base. Maybe check the difference between prostitution v. Sex slavery, and using drugs v. being drugged. Then buy a clue

Rowan Cocoan · 2021-11-06T20:50:10Z

slbeaudry Did you just read what Spur wrote two hours before you? It sounds like you're treating, like all others so far - though I'm stoked to see your reply for it has been the only one - AND no one has replied to Spur and my comments at the Judging the Judges link* which I requested folks to comment one above. I repeat same!*

Me, I have two sisters, and many nieces and grand step nibling nieces, and any scumbags rape them? they're dead and I ain't going to waste time 'prosecuting' the fuckers. And guess what? They wouldn't be FUCKING TORTURED TO DEATH - EVEN THEM! (Or does what happened to the murder victim above not count as 'torture' in y'all's book. (Singular.) If so, fucking WHY?!!! Argh! Y'all should know better and if you ever get wrongfully charged (which happens at least TEN times more than even SOTTfolk might guess) well, go and ask some shitty lawyer who has to struggle with YOUR consciences!

Below you write:

What is wrong with you?

To which I reply "No, you!" Ain't you an American, or did PC somehow addle your brains? I find that hard to believe as your comments are consistently consistent with reason, save here.

SOTTfolk and SOTTites supra and infra: Anyone comprende? I really don't see that happening here and I damn sure know that NO ONE has commented re Spur and my chats, and also not re Spur's story above. I hate seeing what appears to be nothing other than cognitive dissonance or silence from SOTTites. That's the PIGS' way! Damn it! Ain't y'all familiar with Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes?

*Again:

Judging the Judges

I recently had the occasion to re-watch, after oh so many long decades, the Stanley Kramer classic from 1961, Judgment at Nuremberg. And the viewing experience resonated into an unavoidable series...

Yep. I APPROVE this message!

RC

slbeaudry · 2021-11-06T21:02:15Z

Rowan Cocoan I didn't comment on the alleged murder. I commented on your

Bitch being a whore is no reason to kill the pimp.

you've stated she was a whore. What if she wasn't? You doubt that sex trafficking exists? Do you suppose they're just prostitutes?

What if it were your daughter? Your casual response of calling her a whore is sick. Period. I'm not condoning the "pimp's" murder, but your flippancy is astounding

Rowan Cocoan · 2021-11-07T06:24:23Z

slbeaudry First, let me thank you for replying and I hope others do also. Let me also comment about what I said I would personally do if any loved ones got raped and I ain't joking and I ain't talking about girls who decide 8 years later that sex #273 out of 650 coitus acts can somehow amount to rape, but that's what is happening! I've seen too many supposedly good daughters who were really just hos fuck over good men and lie very well about it also. Though Spur and I each recounted one or two whore stories, believe me those 'happy' endings (and remember though we won, our clients had to pay $ to prove they were innocent, which is NOT the way it's supposed to be) and such are relatively rare, because the system REWARDS the girls for playing the victim. AA covers that in his article. They often are, as per Tyler Durden, 'predators posing as housepets' (though Marla was a good girl IMHO) but I've watched an innocent man - a GREAT teacher, no record of anything, just a good teacher etc, *details omitted - I didn't do that trial but just the pretrial stuff and managed to get a significant % of the charges dismissed by the court - get convicted and sent to prison for 25 years on a supposed kiddy diddling in the HALLWAY at school with the whole school in the hallways during a fire drill. It was a pure PC witch hunt sparked by a bunch of moms who saw and got big gold, just like all of those illegal aliens that Bribem is about to pay off WITH $450k per person. Nice work if one can get it, but it's the type work that doesn't help a nation but destroys it.

Consistently at the base of over 80% 'hookers as accusers' cases, there's a fiscal aim, and that ain't what America should have ever seen come to pass and my tale's over 25 years old and Spur's is I dunno but it didn't sound recent. That's what will always happen when PC prevents people from considering facts and the facts here is that that kid was tortured to death!

*As re the tale of my homeless crack whore, etc., at the Judging the Judges article, the fact pattern there actually reads like a law school criminal law and procedure and attorney ethics question in law school and the policy issues are still worth discussing, again, there if anyone wishes. I particularly invite any SOTT legal folks to read and comment there for those reasons because it is a proper policy discussion, or at least it would be in the days when attorneys could defend without fear of cancellation, etc. IMHO, that the courts illegally allow such absurd cases (like the Floyd result or the fact that 15 months later, Kyle, who only got enough $millions! to get bailed out because the videos clearly show those CIAntifa scum (a convict who did 10 years in prison for child molesting, felon and something else - every one of those evil 'my ends justify my means' people were flat out evil and trying to kill that kid. Nonetheless, he is somehow looking at 25 years to life, while an 18 year old senior at school first beat the shit out of one fellow student (I saw the video), and as if that wasn't enough, then shot that guy three times! AND then three other people at his high school! and he was out of jail 24 hours later is this PC disease destroying America. (See also the idiot grabbing the guy's shotgun in Georgia, et al., ad nauseam.) All of these cases are of a kind and based on simple denial of fact! and such has, IMHO, eviscerated American Constitutional law, full stop.

RC

Rowan Cocoan · 2021-11-07T07:12:48Z

slbeaudry I've gotta add that what's 'flippant' here is that folks would so quickly take the word of a skilled liar (that's what hookers do) or such a 'father' whose daughter became a hooker in the fist place (most of them have had complete asshole fathers and family lives but that ain't the issue when we're dealing with whether peopl (and here, what some whore MAYBE has said (after all, the article talks about hearsay on hearsay about what daddy's impression was (and he's probably a liar too) in contrast to FACTS that absolutely SHOW that the kid was TORTURED TO DEATH!!!

And no, I would never agree to represent that father either.

RC

slbeaudry · 2021-11-07T18:13:13Z

Rowan Cocoan no, wrong again RC. What's flippant here is you immediately call her a hooker and defend the "pimp?" Was he a pimp? We don't know that. The allegation is sex trafficking. And I don't condone what the father did either, that's horrible, but man do you immediately jump right to that dude's defense and start calling the daughter names. Now you say the guy was tortured and the daughter is a skilled liar. Those are the facts of the case? Hardly.

You seem very willing to jump to the " pimp's" defense when the only thing mentioned in the article is that allegedly the guy sold his girlfriend into sex slavery, for which the father took a gruesome revenge. Because that's what sex trafficking is. It's not prostitution; prostitution is a woman selling her body for sex. And if she had a pimp he takes a cut. Have you ever met a nice pimp? Or any pimp for that matter? You talk about whores and pimps and pigs but it seems to me like you know very little about any of these things. You formerly claimed some cop, dirty cop, tried to kill you. Okay. That doesn't make all cops pigs. And as for sex trafficking. Sex trafficking is trafficking in women; someone profits off of selling them for sex v. Prostitution. There is a difference, just like there's a difference between drug use and drugging someone or potentially in this case deciding to have sex for money v. being sold into a sex trade/trafficking. But you don't want to seem to recognize that. And yes I'm guessing the father wouldn't want you as his attorney either. Jaded is one way of putting it but I find your comments quite odd to put it mildly.

Rowan Cocoan · 2021-11-07T23:45:48Z

slbeaudry See got 'sold into sex trafficking' - that's just modern parlance for willfully doing a Jodi Foster in Taxi Driver.

" immediately jump right to that dude's defense" He's fucking dead! He was undeniably tortured to death! No one else is!

You haven't read the few blurbs I've written here and at that article?

As re 'I say' stuff, well you too do. Call me out on those FACTS, not whatever else you're trying to say.

I don't say all cops are pigs and I have hundreds of good guy cop stories. Likewise, there are a lot of asshole lawyers, some of whom are pigs, such as the prosecutors in the Kyle case.

Speaking of, I see that's not getting touched on either. (Meanwhile, in my crack whore tale (how many of those have you ever met?)

And as for sex trafficking. Sex trafficking is trafficking in women; someone profits off of selling them for sex v. Prostitution.

You believe that BFM lie? It's Jody Foster in Taxi Driver! That's the real reality. Again, check Spur's one hooker tale he told.

I find your comments quite odd to put it mildly

You wouldn't if I was defending you or your dead and tortured body. Again, this AIN'T grab someone's sister and drag her in the bushes, and it ain't Pretty Woman!

RC

slbeaudry · 2021-11-08T00:22:19Z

Rowan Cocoan jody foster, huh? You get all that from Spur, who I'd bet you've never met, tells a tale and that explains them all? You really are daft. Not that I expect you to ever admit being wrong. You thought you were wrong once and it turns out, you were! 🥱

Rowan Cocoan · 2021-11-08T01:21:00Z

slbeaudry That's known as ad hominem, one of the first - and final - resorts of those who've lost the issue, and the debate.

RC

Spur · 2021-11-08T01:23:53Z

slbeaudry What a appears in the MSM is NOT reality. I stopped giving interviews with the media unless it was LIVE. The bastards would edit everything so that it appeared to represent the opposite of what was said. Even then, if it was live, I would ask them about the questions they were going to ask so I could prepare for them. I knew damn well that they would be trying to sucker me in and the questions they asked would be nothing like what they would have me prepare for. So, I prepared for what I thought they would try to 'spin'. I caught them out a number of times and the interviews got terminated early, plus, they never ran in other jurisdictions.

When it comes to a sensational case in the media, Crikey, don't believe anything. Here is a link I have posted before of a case I got involved with, the Port Arthur Massacre. The patsy, Martin Bryant, is innocent. The evidence is OVERWHELMING, however, he remains in prison. - [Link]

slbeaudry · 2021-11-08T01:40:02Z

Rowan Cocoan what's ad hominem? Me calling you daft, or saying you'd never admit to being wrong? You think this a pretty woman or taxi driver movie. So where's the debate? She's just a whore and daddy killed her pimp. Got it. Case closed. Oh and Alec Baldwin was set up right? Cuz AA said so? God I admire you (sarc).

Rowan Cocoan · 2021-11-08T03:04:22Z

slbeaudry "What's ad hominem?" Why would you need any lessons when you're showing you're well versed at it?

She's just a whore and daddy killed her pimp.

He's got it!

Forget what I've written and read Spur.

BTW, I have no recollection of AA saying such about AB and though I doubt it, even if he did say that, it would be apparently firearm related and my impression is that he's not very well familiar at all with them. I'll rely on my own experiences there.

As re your NC supposed pimp that different set of facts and issues, but judging from your blurb, I'd be as unlikely to defend him as I would have been to defend Daddy Gallant here.

RC

slbeaudry · 2021-11-08T03:05:30Z

Rowan Cocoan

Man facing multiple charges after missing teen used hand signals from TikTok to communicate she'd been kidnapped

A North Carolina man is facing kidnapping and child pornography charges after a teenage girl in his vehicle began making emergency hand gestures learned from TikTok helped lead to his arrest....

damn. Some pimps just can't catch a break. Huh, RC? Maybe you should get back into law. That guy might need an attorney.

smertzasmert · 2021-11-06T05:41:45Z

if these psychologically impoverished girls want to be prostitutes don't blame the pimp---it is the parents that fail to demonstrate love or teach morality

Rowan Cocoan ·

smertzasmert RC

· 2021-11-06T06:16:18Z

slbeaudry · 2021-11-06T19:18:04Z

Rowan Cocoan wow 😲 you lost the plot big time. Do you think there are no abductions in the world they're all just prostitutes? What is wrong with you?

Lemuel Gulliver · 2021-11-07T06:02:33Z

Rowan Cocoan Your arguments are profound and deserving of much reflection. Perhaps that's why you have not gotten replies. In Nazi Germany, I do not know if there was a Constitution or not. But, as I often argue, everything (or most everything) the Nazis did was legal. They just changed the laws to make it so. But in America, we have a Constitution, and there is a reason it is so difficult to change it - requiring ratification by 2/3 of the States. There have been many laws passed which have been declared unconstitutional, but these days even the Supreme Court, the final arbiter, is a political and corrupt body.

How does one arrive at justice when lying is so pervasive in our culture? Everyone lies. Even our parents often lie to us as children, until we find out better. But jumping to conclusions as to innocence or guilt is a perversion. How about the Norfolk Five, right here in my home state of Virginia? How about the hooker at the University of North Carolina who got half the lacrosse team expelled claiming they raped her? How about all the asset seizures every year, totaling billions? If the cops find you with a sum of cash they in their small brains deem unreasonable for your skin color and social status, they steal it. Or your car, or your house, or your land.

It seems you are a lawyer from your posts. You of all people should not jump to any conclusion without a thorough investigation of all the circumstances in each and every case, knowing that people lie, but that facts are facts - what happened did happen. That's really all you know, and in some cases even that is indecisive - appearances can deceive, and forensic specialists may have to investigate to even find out what actually happened. And then, who said what when, who acted first and who second, who was there or elsewhere, all this you do not know. You cannot believe what anyone says, and you even have to take forensic evidence under advisement.

So, I am surprised you have passed judgment in this case so readily.

That said, this entire nation, and the entire planet, are in a state of imminent danger vastly exceeding one father passing judgment and imposing a death penalty. So many lies, and so many deceptions, on a vast scale, are being foisted on us, that our entire civilization, and its rules and laws, may not even survive. Liars and crooks are everywhere, even in the halls of justice and law.

Rowan Cocoan · 2021-11-07T07:08:46Z

Lemuel Gulliver Thank you. True all that but the only facts we reasonably know here is that the guy admitted kidnapping the 19 year old, forcing him into the trunk of a car which almost certainly means that he was using a firearm (why the fuck didn't he just shoot the guy in the head and be done with it? My guess is that his likely (>75%) lying whore daughter - angel though she almost certainly is in his eyes - probably intentionally filled daddy's ears with lies that served her 'my ends justifies my means' approach to life.

As to my judgment, I've seen too many good men fucked over by lying whores, junkie whores in particular, though the terms are practically redundant, so I guess you can call me factually jaded. (I started doing all types of litigation but time taught me there were cases to never take. Since about 1995 when, IMO, PC began to run amok (and only get worse thereafter unto now) in America, I don't recall if I ever represented a whores, but I don't think so. Why? One learns from folks like Spur, etc., that they will ALWAYS recharacterize everything after the fact in an effort to get $ from the attorney (they think we're all filthy rich and that they deserve our cash, etc. (BTW, one learns early one should NEVER sleep with one as too many hopelessly lonely attorneys do, because the whole time they were planning on getting rich with that sucker attorney's $ and they usually do. (And then, they will get attorney #2 to sue their plaintiff atty #1 who won the suit against the idiot criminal defense attorney, etc.) They file grievances every time(never happened to me but has happened to most good criminal defense attorneys who ever represented private hooker clients. (And look at the lying slut in Spur's tale above! That is SO typical! SO TYPICAL!!!

So fucking no! I might have represented one hooker back around 88 or so but I don't think I ever did.. I know other attorneys who regretted it. (The only ones who are relatively immune are the PD's because there's simply no $ there under Florida law, so that's who ends up representing hookers and it seems from the disciplinary reports that the PD's are disproportionately the ones who get seduced by the hookers who go afterthem in worse than classic golddigger fashion for having had a relationship, etc. Why? Because they're spiteful, evil and wilfully malevolent psycho bitches from hell.

Here, I dunno. Maybe she was an angel, but I ain't never seen such my more than a hundred cases that involved them such as discussed by me and Spur here and at the Judging the Judges article. Indeed, there was not a Pretty Woman / Julia Roberts among the lot whom it's been my ill fate to cross paths with on behalf of my clients. Give me any other witness to cross examine over that for God's sake.

My guess is that Spur's impression, also not from PC press reports but from dealing with the facts, will likely tend to confirm my impressions above and at that other article.

In judging whether to take a case in private practice (as opposed to a PD for example who has no choice in the matter) one always has to evaluate the prospective client and one fortunately can. For example, I would damn sure represent Kyle (but I'd instead send him to any number of better criminal defense attorneys for I've not done any of it in over 20 years) but I'd never represent any of the scum he shot.

Hey, Spur have any of the hookers you've come across in your career been upstanding citizens like Julia Roberts in that flick?

There are actually evil women in this world and a ridiculously high percentage are hookers I'd guess over 85% of hookers are lying malevolent psychopaths and I am proud to say I ain't never even paid for one once! (Down here in my little rednecky towns in Florida in the 70s - 90's? - my youth and upbringing were like, "Going to a whorehouse? Fucking a hooker? Even the thought of such has always been and remains a guttural yeck to me. )

All of those reasons are why so often pigs are all in bed (both metaphorically and often literally) with hookers because they know that whores are great liars, will skillfully perjure themselves with abandon, and will give them BJ's while getting paid taxpayer $ by the pig who takes his cut also, etc. That is the real system.

RC

Spur · 2021-11-07T22:40:04Z

Rowan Cocoan "Hey, ~~Spur~~ have any of the hookers you've come across in your career been upstanding citizens like Julia Roberts in that flick?" - That was a joke, right?

Like you, I just kept my distance from them. They are seriously messed up people that want to drag you into their insanity. Their philosophy seems to revolve around 'so many people have fucked me for money, I'm going to do the same thing'.

parzival · 2021-11-08T05:49:23Z

Rowan Cocoan My observation here after reading the entire article, following the links, reading to get more information about the crime, then after reading all the comments, I observe first of all that some folks here don't like how you use your free speech . For me personally, I will defend your right to free speech to the death. I may not be particularly enamored with the way you describe people, but that's on me. The same goes for everyone here that project their own 'noise' based upon what they think they read you are saying.

As far as the facts go, the article doesn't give much in the way of information. What if this were a movie? (and in some ways life in the matrix is like a movie, like Shakespeare's statement, "All the world's a stage..." ) What if in the movie, the father gets the child back. The audience is relieved, and then there's a twist. The father & daughter live alone. Soon we learn that the daughter has been sexually or emotionally abused all her life by this man. At first she's grateful to be rescued, but being home again, the life at home starts all over again. The daughter gets bored with the same ole same ole and begins to taunt her father describing to him her experiences, maybe embellishing on them, maybe pushing him.

Here's another twist. The daughter comes home and has contacts with others who would perpetrate this crime. She's in it up to her eyeballs and the father finds out and steps in to take the blame so that she doesn't wind up doing life in prison. See, we really don't know because the story isn't known except by the father, maybe the daughter, and the cops.

My take is the young man did not get justice and had his life was preempted.

The father confessed to the crime and will do the time.

The daughter, who knows... Maybe she split and decided to go back to Seattle.

Rowan Cocoan · 2021-11-08T06:04:31Z

parzival Exactly! Your plot twists have to happen because all we know is that a kid got tortured to death! Speaking from rough sad experience, I'd put my guess above others in terms of likelihood, but maybe this was a life imitates art (it happens a lot, no doubt) and this girl WAS Julia Roberts in that flick!

Thank you for the Voltairesque "I may not agree with . . ." (I think it was though it surely was probably likewise said by some Greek and some Mesopotamian, et al. )

Spur Like you, I just kept my distance from them. They are seriously messed up people that want to drag you into their insanity. Their philosophy seems to revolve around 'so many people have fucked me for money, I'm going to do the same thing'.

1) & 2) Ain't it the sad truth. It does get irritating and whatever - hard on one's soul (and I'm not talking about me having defended my 'crack head lover boy' - I had no problem with that. and I'm of course dead serious. Likewise, in some perfect (and therefore mythical and boring) world, we never would have had to fight the sorry scumbags who populate the dregs of the earth. I'm certain that like me, you've heard the prosecution say to a jury, 'When you cast a play in hell, you can't expect angels for witnesses, and as much as it's trite, it's also true. (Of course, I can't think of me having had to argue that point, but I would have had the facts arisen.)

BTW, are you still a pilot? Were you only a helo pilot (as I recall) or also an airplane one too? Thanks. (I've always wished to be, but haven't yet and I can nowadays see us soon getting to a place where no jab, no fly. How evil and fucked up.)

Thanks Parz!

RC

Spur · 2021-11-09T00:00:20Z

Rowan Cocoan "BTW, are you still a pilot? Were you only a helo pilot (as I recall) or also an airplane one too?" - No, I gave aviation away. I used up my 9 lives and figured I should give it away before I killed myself. I was a young man back then and would act like some teenager on a skate board, "I wonder what I can get this thing to do?" - I also got some fixed-wing and gyro-copter time.

Rowan Cocoan · 2021-11-09T00:05:46Z

Spur Cool. Thank you! Have you ever read The Aviators from the Brotherhood of War series of novels by Griffin? Not bad at all and really recaptured that era it seemed. It starts with the protagonist in Vietnam with his smuggled in Remington shotgun etc. Aside from that the whole narrative is about what was going on in the US. [Link]
I tell you, even when Vietnam War ended, if the draft had continued (they stopped the college deferment) I would have gone to the AF Academy and started skiing even earlier than I did. I damn sure would have dropped what where they told me. Glad you got back etc.

RC

Spur · 2021-11-09T00:17:56Z

Rowan Cocoan · 2021-11-09T01:09:00Z

Spur You would like it. It's about all the Army vs. USAF and politics behind the scenes etc. (Kinda strange in that regard because my father was USAF etc.) I imagine someone reading that helped inspire or push forward the writing of We Were Soldiers Once, for it's based at Camp Benning, etc. It also deals with the Congo pararescue, etc.

The forward, etc., makes quite clear he was in good friends with the guys at that upper middle management behind that switchover, the approval of the CH4's, the origin of the helo names, etc. (In one of the dedications, he'd joshes with one old buddy who'd just gotten his fourth star, etc.) I'd guess one would call it a historical novel, except I still have problems coming to terms with the fact that I was around and aware of such when it was happening. I think you'd like it.

Did I ever tell you about the time a Cobra, unannounced, just landed on the open fields behind CHS in my last semester there in 77? I happened to be right there because I had no class in that period. The guys were, I think, old graduates from the 60s. Really memorable event.

RC

Rowan Cocoan · 2021-11-09T01:16:41Z

Rowan Cocoan It also deals with the Army Air Base in Tampa, and other places - and Pensacola? (Wherever Doolittle practiced from I believe. Also where those souped up B-26 Invaders - K's? (my dad's plane at FWAB's in Korea. He was a ground crew mechanic/chief, came out after two years there as a 22 year old Staff Sgt.) Well, I believe they were were tested then at Eglin? I forget. Same were apparently involved in the Congo pararescue, etc.

RC

Doe Ray and Me · 2021-11-06T08:48:26Z

Right on, good for Daddio, the slimeball won't be coming back to haunt the young lady anymore. Maybe a tad harsh but oh well, he won' t do it to anyone else.

Spur · 2021-11-09T00:28:18Z

Rowan Cocoan First time I ever heard about 'The Aviators', so no, I haven't read it. There have been a few books written by former pilots that I've read and I would consider them a good read that captures what we did. The book 'CW2' is good as is 'Hunter-Killer'.

A smuggled in Remington shotgun? My mentor on my first tour was a real bad-ass. He had jumped with the Golden Knights, worked on the HALO program and had done a previous tour with the Special Forces. - He carried a Remington shotgun. He had used one on his tour with the Special Forces. Works really well in the jungle loaded with 00 buckshot. One shot and you have 12 heavy balls of lead busting through things. Great guy, for some reason he respected me and trained me, a green 20 year old. On my second tour when I got in deep shit I would just imagine what 'Apple' would do. The other guys in the unit thought I was some sort of legend, but all I was doing was pretending to be someone else.

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