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On this episode of Objective:Health, we bring you another 'In the News' show, scanning the latest headlines and giving you the O:H take.

In the ongoing coronavirus hoax, health experts are criticizing the NHS for recommending anti-inflammatories that the French have said may make COVID-19 infections worse. Philip Morris has said it has developed a 'plant-based vaccine against coronavirus. We also look at a recent study that analyzed how elderberries prevent and treat the flu.

Del Bigtree's organization, ICAN, has called on the CDC to remove misinformation about vaccines and autism from their website. In other words, remove the statement that 'vaccines do not cause autism' as the claim is unscientific; advertising rather than facts.

And apparently the new big 'health obsessions' is... wait for it... Cockroach milk! It seems the elites aren't satisfied with telling everyone they're going to have to eat bugs in the future. Now they're saying you also have to drink their milk. Don't hold your breath on widespread adoption of this one.

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Erica: Hello, and welcome to Objective Health. I am your host today, Erica. Joining me in the studio are Doug and Elliot.


Erica: Today, we are going to do an "In the News" segment. There are a lot of things going on in the news so we wanted to have a little recap of some interesting information that we read about in the last weeks. Starting off today, dare we approach the subject of the COVID-19? There was an article recently which carried in the Guardian on the 16th of March about how health experts are criticising the NHS for advising people to take ibuprofen. Ibuprofen could actually exaggerate infection, especially pneumonia-type infections.

From the article: "French authorities warned against taking widely-used over-the-counter anti-inflammatory drugs. Professor Ian Jones, a virologist at the University of Reading said that there is good scientific evidence for ibuprofen actually aggravating the condition or prolonging it and that the recommendations need to be updated. Sizable literature from case-controlled studies in several countries that prolong the illness or the complications of respiratory infections may be more common when NSAIDs are used. Studies have also linked anti-inflammatory drugs to worsening pneumonia."

What do you all think? I know we did a show about how drugs change your personality and we know ibuprofen and paracetamol can cause a reduction in empathy, so how does this correlate to that?

Doug: I find it interesting that the French authorities said, "By the way guys, don't use these drugs as pain relievers" even though generally people don't really think about that kind of thing and will just pop and anti-inflammatory for whatever reason whenever they are feeling run down or injure themselves. It's funny that they came out and said that and then the NHS said, "Everybody take ibuprofen!"

It's funny too because later on in the article the guy doubles down on it and says "No there is no evidence that this does anything bad for COVID-19." He is probably right. Nobody has done a study on COVID-19 yet where they are trying people on ibuprofen and sample these people who aren't and seeing what happens. It's too new. They obviously haven't done anything like that. They use that as a basis for saying that there is no reason to avoid this. The French are taking the precautionary principle seriously and the Brits are not. They are just doing the exact opposite.

Elliot: I don't know the mechanism, but apparently the idea is that ibuprofen would actually halt the immune system. It would halt the branch of the immune system which is responsible for protecting your body against the virus. By taking that, that could slow your progression, it could slow your healing. Something like paracetamol would not do that because they work on two different mechanisms. There is no study on it. I think it would probably be safer to err on the side of caution, right?

Erica: It seems like if you have a fever you would want your body to naturally go through that process of fighting off infection.

Doug: I agree. I think that we have come to a place where we no longer trust the natural mechanisms that the body has for dealing with these kinds of things. We want to step in and override all those things. A fever can be uncomfortable but that doesn't necessarily mean that you should stop it. The body produces a fever for a very good reason, like you said, to kill off the virus.

These things can get out of control and fevers can go too high and they can become dangerous and it is good that we have medications that can deal with that kind of thing but the idea of popping a pill at the first sign of a fever just because it is uncomfortable means you are making things worse for yourself in the long run. You could even say the same thing about vaccines: that we no longer trust our body's natural immunity so we have come up with a technological way to try and force the immune system to do what we want it to do. In many situations - not all, well maybe all actually {laughter} - the body acquiring a natural immunity would be far superior to this artificial immunity which is delivered by the vaccines. Technology sucks guys. {laughter}

Erica: It seems that, as you were saying about the vaccines Doug, it's putting your health in the hands of somebody else who "maybe knows better". We are all hopefully "thinking" human beings and we try and do what is least invasive initially and then maybe move to the move invasive.

Another good topic in the health news today is elderberries. There was a great article called Elderberries Block Flu Virus from Attaching to and Entering Human Cells. Scientists have identified a chemical compound in elderberries that immediately immobilizes the flu virus. Previous studies have already shown elderberry extract can ease flu symptoms and cut the duration of the illness in half. A new study explains exactly how this remedy works.

They talk about how the phytochemicals found in the elderberries block the virus from entering or ever attaching to our healthy cells when taken preventatively during flu season. You can make a tea out of the elderberry. There are all these older remedies with elderberry syrup using things like apple cider vinegar, fresh cloves and even honey This is a remedy that has been around for hundreds of years which people have used to keep these kind of viruses at bay, especially during an outbreak. I don't want to say pandemic because it is a very loaded word. {laughter}

Elliot: Elderberry has been known, particularly amongst Western herbalists and even non-herbalists, folk medicine and traditional grandma stuff, as a remedy. They know that you should be taking things like elderberry jams or elderberry teas or elderberry tincture. It used to be quite common from what I understand.

As Erica said, there has been loads of research on this. If you go on PubMed and type in "elderberry" and "virus" there are loads. A lot of it has been done primarily on influenza, that is the flu. It has been shown to halt how the virus is replicating, stopping it from attaching to cells and getting into cells, like Erica was saying. It's effective at blocking almost every single stage of the processes by which a virus would infect a human being. It's one of those very simple ways that someone can really boost their immunity very cheaply. At this time of year - in the UK, I don't know about the US - there are no elderberries growing where we are. They usually come out mid-to-late summer.

This year, with all of the research that has come out I have decided I am going to harvest a bunch of elderberries. You can dry them and you can process them there and then. You can make tinctures. I was going to say you can make alcohol but I don't know if that would be antiviral! {laughter} There are so many ways that you can process these. Again, it is the concept that it is one of nature's gifts and we can make use of that in a very simple way.

Erica: It is interesting, with panic-buying on Amazon, the price has gone up a little, but it is still affordable. I think for one pound of elderberries you can spend $30, that can make six months worth of tinctures or teas. You can store it. You can have a collection of it. It's one of those non-invasive things, and you can make it taste good. It doesn't have to be some nasty concoction. It can be enjoyable. You can brew it into wine if you have to!

Doug: Even drinking it as a tea isn't bad. The berries themselves have a smell to them, they are kinda stinky. Drinking it as a tea, it has a bit of sourness to it but it's not a horrific medicinal. Some of these things you taste are just disgusting, but this is actually quite nice.

Erica: There are other benefits from elderberry use as well: for arthritis, the viral infections we were talking about: bronchitis, coughs, the flu, hay fever, inflammation, nasal and chest congestion, sinus infections, sore throat, tonsillitis, and even yeast infections. You can keep any of those types of conditions at bay by having a daily cup of elderberry tea.

Doug: We should say that we don't know if it would actually help you against the deadly Coronavirus, but it might.

Erica: We never make health claims here! {laughter}

Doug: We don't make health claims at all.

Erica: It's a suggestion.

Elliot: People could make an elderberry syrup. If they don't want to make a tincture or if they don't want to drink a tea, they can make a syrup which is actually quite tasty.

The recipe is:

1 cup of raw honey

3.5 cups of cold water

1 teaspoon of organic cinnamon powder or 1 cinnamon stick

1 tablespoon of fresh or dried organic ginger root

2 cups of organic dried elderberries

You put the elderberries, cinnamon and ginger in a saucepan, pour the water on it and then bring it to the boil, then lower the heat and let it simmer covered for 45-minutes. It thickens up and so you mash the berries and then cook it for a little bit longer and then strain it through a cheesecloth and add in the honey afterwards. You will have a thick syrup. Ideally you would want to use raw honey because the raw honey is also going to be containing many of the antimicrobial beneficial phytocompounds. You then let that sit to cool.

I am guessing you could have a teaspoon of that every day, or a couple of teaspoons if you were sick. It is a conserve so that is going to last for a very long time.

Doug: That's a good idea. I used to work in a health food store and we sold elderberry syrup and it would be quite popular around cold and flu season, but I never thought about making it. That's interesting.

Erica: If you get honey from your local area, from a farmer's market or from a neighbour it'll have all those good antibacterial agents from the environment that you live in. Honey is really an amazing serum. What's next on our list?

Doug: Since we are already talking about the flu and viruses, we could talk about the headline that we just saw recently that Philip Morris International: Medicago Develops a Plant-Based Vaccine for Coronavirus.

Erica: What?

Doug: There are so many questions there. Apparently what they have done is taken the RNA of COVID-19 and genetically modified that into yeast or bacteria - some kind of microorganism - and then put that into the soil and the plants take it up. They did it with these tobacco plants - because it's Philip Morris after all - and the tobacco plants took up these bacteria and that RNA became part of the plant.

Then they can take it from the plant and then make a vaccine with it and are calling it a "plant-based vaccine". It's crazy. Are they doing all these steps just to be able to call this a plant-based vaccine? Is there an advantage to a plant-based vaccine other than it's vegan-friendly?

Erica: Or, are they doing it to try and make tobacco look good again?

Doug: Maybe? It just brings more questions than it gives answers. I have seen a bunch of articles about them rushing a vaccine and then Philip Morris comes along and says, "Oh yeah, we made one, and it's made out of plants."

Damian: It says in the article that using plants and genetically engineered agrobacterium works faster than eggs.

Doug: It works faster? Ok. Maybe that answers some of the question as to why.

Damian: GMO plants.

Erica: GMO plants good! {laughter}

Doug: It's plant-based but it's GMO, what do I do?

Erica: Viruses: Bad! It's hard to not make fun of some things. I do apologise if our humour is inappropriately placed at this time.

Doug: You guys can go and watch our show that we did on the Coronavirus if you have any questions. If we have offended you, sorry.

Erica: We are just trying to keep up with the headlines. There is a lot flying around out there. Another headline that is interesting - now when these types of topics come up and they inundate everything it's like these little important tidbits of information seep through the cracks and go completely unnoticed. We have talked a lot about vaccines on the show in the past and we wanted to bring up this article called ICAN calls on CDC to Remove Misinformation about Vaccines and Autism from Website. This was done by Del Bigtree, Doug?

Doug: Yeah.

Erica: Del Bigtree was one of the creators of Vaxxed, the documentary about vaccines, and he has been diligently working in this area. ICAN is actually the Informed Consent Action Network and they submitted a freedom of information request to the CDC to provide all the studies supporting the claim that vaccines do not cause autism. Specifically, ICAN asked the CDC to produce all the studies that demonstrated that the vaccines given in the first 6-months of life did not cause autism.

Basically, the CDC failed to produce a single study after months of follow up requests, so ICAN sued the CDC in federal court and they finally produced the studies, all 20 of them. It goes through what they were looking for, but it sounds like not one of the studies that the CDC provided actually addressed ICAN's questions. Again, I'm flabbergasted by it.

Elliot: They just gave a bunch of studies on different topics. They gave 13 on Thimerosal, and they gave one on the MMR vaccine. As you said, it was completely off-topic. It's almost like what they have done is that they have been sued so they don't really have a choice, so they have just randomly picked a bunch of stuff just to put down on paper that they complied. That's what it seems like.

Doug: What they asked for specifically were the vaccines that are given in the first 6-months of life and that included the DTap, HIB, HepB, Prevnar (PCV13), and the Polio vaccine (IPV). The CDC gave them studies about Thimerosal, and those vaccines don't contain Thimerosal. They gave them studies about MMR which they didn't ask for.

They are trying to make this connection right? If one of the vaccines that is given in the first 6-months of life is what they believe is causing the autism, then they want studies on those vaccines! And the CDC gives them a bunch of random ones! It's just ridiculous.

I think they gave two studies that were actually relevant. In the conclusion of the first study they say, "The evidence is inadequate to accept or reject a causal relationship between diptheria toxoid-, tetanus toxoid-, or acellular pertussis-containing vaccine and autism. Evidence is inadequate to accept or reject." Okay, thanks. {Laughter}

In the second of these two studies, they look at the antigen load of vaccines which is not what they asked for because for most people who are suspicious of vaccines, it's not the antigen that they are concerned about. It's not the virus, it's the adjuvants. It's all the other crap that they are putting in there That's the thing that they are concerned about. That study has nothing to do with any of that. All they were testing was the antigen.

Elliot: What they showed in that study was that there is no increase in autism associated with the increase in antigens. It's nothing to do with the adjuvants! No one said it was antigens which were causing the autism! We are concerned with aluminium and mercury and all of the other crap.

Erica: And, all of them together at the same time, the overload.

Doug: It's basically just a smokescreen. Now, what Del Bigtree is saying is that he is calling for the CDC to take those statements off their website, the ones saying that vaccines do not cause autism, because essentially it is a marketing claim. They don't have any evidence behind that. They're throwing it up there like they would with any kind of advertisement. He hasn't said anything about legal action on this yet, but the fact that he actually filed charges against them to get the freedom of information request? Who knows? If anybody could do it, it's him, I have to say.

Erica: I apologise if I seem a little hot under the collar about this, but this is the CDC. Now, in the United States they are in control of what is going on with the whole quarantining and the virus. These are the people that have control right now over what's going to happen in the long term, at least for Americans? That is a scary thought, that they had to be sued by Del and his organisation to get information and then instead of doing what was asked of them, by law, they just throw a bunch of nonsense out there.

If you think these people are looking out for your health and wellbeing, this is a tiny little red flag about this organisation. We have talked about the CDC plenty of times on our shows in the past. It seems like they are a for-profit vaccine company that just happens to be federally funded. However they get their money it is not by being clear and providing documentation to the people who could really benefit from it. That's my rant on the CDC. Whenever anyone says that "The CDC says" I just have to say, "I'm sorry, I'm not a true believer, I'm really not."

Doug: It's like saying the same about any other corporation. It's like "Google says..." or "Microsoft says". That's essentially what they are. They have a vested interest in selling vaccines.

Erica: This type of information that comes out through the small people who do their due diligence and don't give up are a huge thorn in their side. They really are, and I really applaud the work that ICAN is doing because informed consent is going to be an issue that we are all going to have to deal with sooner or later as this hysteria progresses. Did we have any positive news?

Doug: Cockroach milk! {laughter}

Elliot: I was going to say, for those of us who are lactose intolerant. {laughter} We have finally got something to look forward to! {Laughter}

Erica: What is that?

Elliot: Well it's the secretion from the sack of the cockroach!

Erica: That can't be true. Is this a joke?

Doug: Apparently it is true. This article crept across our feed recently: Why Cockroach Milk is the New Health Obsession.

Erica: It's a superfood!

Doug: It's another superfood. It is so funny that they call it a health obsession. It doesn't actually exist yet. It obviously exists, but it is not marketed yet. There is no such thing. You can't go to your health food store and say, "Could I please have two litres of cockroach milk?" Apparently it is still a health obsession.

They are pursuing it because apparently cockroach milk, which they are harvesting from the Pacific Beetle Cockroach, is packed with valuable nutrients. They think that harvesting cockroach milk is the future. This is going to be the next big thing. Everybody is going to be drinking their cockroach milk. Starbucks will have cockroach-milk lattes and you'll be able to get cockroach-milk ice cream. There is going to be a whole line of cockroachy goodness for you to benefit from.

Erica: I highlighted this in my notes and I would like to share: "The findings of this research were initially released in 2016 but its popularity has reached its peak when the interest rose towards more environmentally non-dairy alternatives."

Doug: Of course. I'm sure that the cockroaches are releasing less CO2 than those cows.

Elliot: It's ironic because to make 100g, which is 10cl of cockroach milk, you wouldn't believe how many they need to kill! {laughter} I can't even say it without laughing. They have to kill 1,000 cockroaches to make 10cl!! {Laughter}

Erica: That's cockroach genocide!!!

Doug: Wow. They do have to kill them to extract the milk. It's not like they can sit there with tiny little things and squeeze their udders and get milk from them. They actually have to cut them open to get the milk out.

Elliot: They use a scalpel and they take out the portion which contains the secretion and they extract it that way. It's a very costly, time consuming process. That's what they're concerned about, that they have no idea how they are going to make this scalable in an affordable and profitable way. I think it's just a waste of time personally. I would prefer the research money to be going somewhere else.

Doug: There are so many hurdles there. Making it profitable would be one thing, but there is also public perception. Who the hell wants to drink cockroach milk? Is there anybody out there? Maybe some crazy vegans because they draw their lines at arbitrary levels of what they consider to be a lifeform worth saving and a lifeform not to save. So maybe cockroaches' lives aren't as valuable as the cows' lives to them. I can maybe see some crazy vegans being like even though cockroach milk isn't vegan, I'll do it. Though still, they won't do honey right?

Erica: Yeah.

Doug: Who is this marketed towards? I can't see any sensible person actually wanting to have this.

Elliot: Anyone would just choose cows or goats milk.

Erica: Elliot, it contains three times more energy of an equivalent mass of dairy milk!

Doug: In other words it has more calories which is a marketing nightmare for them because everyone thinks that calories - energy from food - is a bad thing and that you want to minimise your calories.

Erica: Not to mention getting into the yuck-factor of what cockroaches eat which makes the milk?

Doug: I didn't even think about that.

Erica: I did because I lived in a place where they had this cockroach that's native to Australia, China, Hawaii, Fiji and India and they are the nastiest thing ever! I don't know if I would ever drink cockroach milk.

Doug: I do know that I would never drink cockroach milk. {laughter} I can firmly state that. It's like the whole thing where they are saying that bugs are the new big thing and that everybody is going to be eating bugs. Not this guy. I am not going to be eating bugs. I draw the line.

Erica: You are not eating it! You are just milking it! {Laughter}

Doug: No.

Erica: Well, we had to have something good. We had to have a good laugh with all the tension and the stress that is going around. We are trying to have a little levity in your day. Talk to your friends about cockroach milk and see what they say. Do a poll. {Laughter}

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