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I've had enough of someone else's propaganda. I'm for truth, no matter who tells it. I'm for justice, no matter who it's for or against. I'm a human being first and foremost, and as such I am for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.
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These statues we deface are the headstones of a racist past, one defeated and entombed for posterity. If we dig them up we chance releasing what they restrain
Right now the releasing of what they restrain for a certain few are slim, they will do what they will do.
So the sane need to keep the insane in there own bubble of hysteria and let them fight it out it in there own bizzaro world of reality.
Yet this seems to be a difficult point to grasp for some. What's next, removing reminders of the Civil War from history books because the perpetrators don't deserve to be remembered? Aren't those who "can't remember history condemned to repeat it"?
I think that's pretty much the core of what is happening here.
To mould that into a personified situation easy to understand
In your personal life, if you had such a history where you suffered sexual abuse... say one that ended. Monuments of such things - say of the abuser, won't go down lightly to you personally. Perhaps not even to your kids or your great grandkids ( if they knew what you went through ). They may have a hard time accepting it even if they personally haven't suffered such a thing.
Just saying... in an effort to understand where the crazy maniacs going around destroying monuments may be coming from. Surely something is driving them... just mindless hysteria? or is something much more raw being tapped into?
Who knows...
I mean, you have problems of your own, right? Never owned or condoned the ownership of slaves, right? Try to act reasonably towards your fellow man, right? So... no wonder you'd be incensed if someone came up to you and started brandishing that term in your face! What have you personally done? NOTHING!
But wait... what did your ancestors do? Things become murky... maybe if you trace back, you'll find they were poor and couldn't even afford slaves. So they did nothing! So why are you getting blamed? Now we enter into symbols.. look at the colour of your skin and your national heritage plus your political alignment. What do we get... white, american and conservative. Now you're in trouble in the eye of the accuser.
What do you do? Of course you defend yourself. Maybe you do it amicably but most people will lash out in vengeance... so now you are the perpetrator (in the eyes of the accuser) and they are the victim.
Step back... look at the dance. Look familiar? You are both playing a role that your ancestors played (be they symbolic i.e. they may not actually be direct blood relatives.. as in, this case, you are white, american & conservative as the only connection). Your accuser is playing the role of the victim (through whatever connection they've established to those who suffered), but this time, unlike their ancestors they can actually attack you in a very real way. Something their ancestors could never really do .
You in turn feel a fear encroach... what fear is that? Paying for the sins of the past! What is the price? It doesn't matter, it something you don't want to pay nor can you even afford. So you have no choice but to defend and defend greatly. Thus you have a monumental battle scene forming. The ground being laid....
Anyways that is the direction of my thinking.
A word should come in here... perhaps two.
One is forgiveness. The other is an apology. How else will the past leave both parties free to continue on in the present without such crazy tentacles reaching out from the depths of time and possessing the living.
You affirm the connection by acting in such a way that makes it manifest
- you won't listen to the accuser - slave owners didn't listen
- you ridicule the accuser - slave owners ridiculed
- you portray over confidence and a sense of being above and beyond, snobbery - slave owners did this.
- you might get protection from established authorities - slave owners were protected by the ptb at the time.
Etc etc.
Unbeknownst to you... you take on and become this thing you are accused off. It becomes self evident in the eye of the accuser.
That's what I think it means. Don't know what else it can mean. How you don't become it, I don't know.
Is it possible this subject.. more than just history and all the other myriad stuff also touches on ancestry and the effect ancestry has on its descendants?
The youth may not have known slavery directly but somehow they feel so strongly about it... why?
An illustration:
Each one of us feels directly the effects of our immediate parents... if they were rich, immediately we'd feel those effects. If they were christian, immediately we'd feel the effects of the christian religion. If they had some disease that can transfer to the new generation, immediately their kids will have an illness to contend with. Etc etc. You can even take this a couple of generations... for example, the Rothchilds descendents can feel the effect of their forefathers...
So it may not be a stretch of the imagination to say that ancestry no matter how far removed could play a role in the present moment.
For these youth, somehow they feel the effects the institution of slavery and everything else that came as a result on who they are in the present moment. They look at symbols that they see as being responsible and they lash out.
The representers of these symbols for the most part are innocent current day members of society (ignoring neonazi type groups) and the symbols themselves may mean something different - as explained in the article. Where do you draw the line? At what point do you cut from the past?
In our personal lives, a lot of what we are in adulthood we trace back to our childhood. They say you have to deal with your childhood. We spend our lives struggling with this - we go see psychologists, we get help from friends and partners, we blame and accuse our parents etc... we do all sorts.
In the realm of a nation, at what point does it deal with its infancy? When is the process complete?
There we go, I am now free of all associated guilt for the colour of my skin
One is brought up a very fixed reality tunnel (white / back, catholic / jew, in the East / in the West etc. - but there is nothing restraining us to that reality tunnel, as adults we can dig new ones and form our own convictions. our own beliefs. It's not that hard, you just have to realise that up to a certain age, you have, without any option or choice, lived in someone else's tunnel (parents, schools, church, nation)
We can't be held responsible for the actions of long dead descendants - others may feel the pain of their descendants but that is something I cannot understand and cannot empathise with ... in fact I think that situation demands a re-assessment of the reality tunnel that that person has decided to inhabit
All this has left me wondering, where are the memorials for the genocided native Americans
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I just tried searching for UK Slavery W... and William Wilberforce does not even come up in the search .. that's pretty shocking really
Sad to say there's not many statues of him - this is part of an inscription on his statue in Westminster abbey (Sorry, in capitals) Well that leaves a bad taste - the statue was made by Samuel Joseph, a sculptor, I don't know who provided the words
Wilberforce fought against slavery for most of his life - the abolition act of 1833 being seven years after he died
The inscription, claiming God herself had removed England from all guilt, was carved in stone just 5 years later
I think that is disgusting and a total abdication of their guilt and responsibility ..... but what are white people around today meant to do?
They never seem to come up short digging these lot up from somewhere.
Seriously though, good article.
This site quotes Putin as saying [Link]
"...the lack of a national idea stemming from a national identity profited the quasi-colonial element of the elite โ those determined to steal and remove capital, and who did not link their future to that of the country, the place where they earned their money."
As people live within communities and areas, they develop a kinship with each other and form a common attitude of forebearance which invites discussion and differences of opinion. This common attitude might be designated an "identity" for that community. If a nation, as a consequence, has been stripped of an identity, with past historical facts and events denigrated, ridiculed, removed, and reformed according to an undisclosed person's intent and agenda, you have no kinship nor forebearance to discuss matters and find a resolve to benefit both parties. The same conclusion occurs if a country becomes overrun by huge numbers of peoples who have no cultural/religious or moral/ethical ties to the existing population. National identities are erased so that capital, in whatever form, may be removed, exploited, and allowed to enrich a few.
Whether it is General Lee, Bomber Harris or Cecil Rhodes, we can consider each and know that the narrative pushed onto the public at the time was that these were great and good people.
When our leaders flaunt their approval of such "good" people, it provides us with lasting reminder that their agenda is different to ours
It's difficult to image a world where the egomaniacs in charge would be able to refrain from honouring their deceased foot soldiers, but if they could do so it would be to their advantage
How much more convenient if there were only monuments with inscriptions such as "By the blessing of God, removed from England the guilt of the African slave trade" ... without statues honouring Cecil Rhodes, there is a danger that we would believe the quote
SOTT: Great Re-Find!
R.C.
P.s., Just Thinking, supra: Good Les Visible quote!
RC