Officer Abby Hayward and another Surrey Police Department officer who went undercover as civilian joggers in a bid to catch sexual harassers were catcalled within their first 10 minutes.
Female cops in England went undercover as joggers, wearing tight-fitting clothes in a bid to elicit catcalls — and then arrested some of the men who hit on them, according to a report.
The Surrey Police Department created a trial task force, which lasted about a month, and led to 18 arrests for offenses like sexual assault, harassment, and theft, the Telegraph reported.
Officer Abby Hayward and another Surrey Police Department officer who went undercover as civilian joggers in a bid to catch sexual harassers were catcalled within their first 10 minutes.
The female officers were sent during rush hour to "hot spots" where open sexual harassment of women is commonplace and pretended to be joggers, the report stated.
"One of our officers was honked at within 10 minutes — then another vehicle slowed down, beeping and making gestures just 30 seconds later — that's how frequent it is," Inspector Jon Vale of SPD told the outlet.
One of the officers in the group said the harassment she faced during the trial period reflects her everyday experience in Surrey.
"We get catcalled. We get honked at. People slow down just to stare — or lean out the window to shout something. It's so common, but it's harassment and it needs to be recognized as such," Officer Abby Hayward told the Telegraph.
"This behavior is either a precursor to something more serious — or it's ignorance and it's fixable," the cop said.
"That's where our interventions come in: to stop potential repeat offenders or help people understand that what they're doing isn't OK."
Critics of the program include the Free Speech Union, which said the tactic was a "bizarre social-psychology experiment," and that police should enforce the laws on the books, according to the outlet.
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All the western govt's who have taken the NWO kool-aid and have allowed the Marxist bullshit to take hold, have created a rod for their own back. The public may just get around to using that rod. These fuckwits in power have no idea of the lines they are crossing.
Because the duck has a badge it's no longer a duck?
If you think this sort of boorish and disrespectful behavior isn't a major problem for attractive young girls, I think you need to try to put yourselves in their place. Who has consistently treated you like an object instead of a person? How would that feel?
Once they get old enough, girls usually can take this crap more in stride, but it still can be intimidating and frightening, which is just what it's intended to be. It doesn't ever feel appreciative. People who think they can get away with this seem intent on being as insulting and rude as they can be.
I applaud these women. They're doing an important job, helping to provide a good psychological environment for women to be out and about. I hope others start doing this as well, and give assholes reason to ride herd on their own mouths, middle fingers, and car horns.
At the end of the day - a man lays a hand on a women undesired, then that is criminal, but if expressing upon somebody jogging by a "catcall" is "illegal" - then get ready for the gulaks.
I say this as a father of two very attractive daughters - so don't tell me how wrong attention can be - but there is a difference twixt "noise in the wind" versus laying a hand upon another undesired. A big difference.
To "codify" this as somehow societally incorrect behavior is group-think at its worst and it only gets worse as liberty is lost.
I notice that no one who is outraged about this "entrapment" scenario are female. You have NO IDEA how emotionally-impactful that behavior can be. How about expecting some respectful, rather than loutish, behavior from people who do such things?
I have very similar concern and experience as you just mentioned
I question the merit of purposefully creating a situation enabling "bad choices".
Is that not the definition of entrapment?
I await your rebuttal.
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edit - since you haven't responded yet, I say it is the definition of entrapment - and then depending on circumstances of said, those who set it in place are GUILTY of depriving liberty and the punishment for that is what I ask?
Depends on scale I reckon - like everything else - but snowflakes melt when the heat is on, smart girls don't seek out situations of entrapment, and those that do are due for punishment I reckon and to think they call themselves cops - the chicks did this at the behest of whom I wonder - they all ought review the oath taken.
Ken
He will not be hurt. You will make his day and uplift his spirits for many a week.
We are not the same and were never intended to be.
You don't want me to comment on your ass or tits. Don't show them to me.
Life is simple. Quit making it hard.
But women never say. Their speech is centered around emotional interaction, not facts. And they are far more driven by instincts than they admit. Instincts that served them well for millenia, but not so much in the woke Western society ...
On a related note - I like to quote Al Bundy on such occasions (the SitCom one, not the serial killer ...):
WRONG.
That is the argument of a CHILD, not an adult.
i raised my children alone. So I know that deal.
Doesnt change the facts
And now their grown and she still is not
WRONG.
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As I've said somewhere here - I got two daughters and they both are most fetching.....so don't tell me I don't understand the issue here. I think it was entrapment by design - and feminism has truly lost its way in this regard - this is a perfect example in a way - no wonder it has attracted so many comments.
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Lastly if I saw you there in line, at the post office - I sure as hell wouldn't of cat-called your butt - even if maybe part of me wanted to - but that can't be regulated and the effort to do that is way worse then the behavior. As it is, I kid you not, I just got the second damn call from the post office - and I said - "Elizabeth it is fixing to rain big time" - and she responded - "come get your packages" - so eff me, I got my vehicle and I got the packages - a carport in the making!
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The time prior I got a call from the post office - was from the Ballantyne office - and god bless them - the lady told me - did you order these chicks? - cause they are here! Holy Moly - good thing I had contingencies in place and my wife picked them up. So there!
Equally, there are millions of shallow 'women' today who behave more like children rather than mature adults... I don't blame 'women', but the programming that people are receiving.
Do you believe that Eventide - ?
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Well, let me be the first to tell you - that was a lie. But a lie innocent is one thing - entrapment another altogether.
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We all have emotions - I don't deny mine - I mind em....best I can and such.
But honestly - a vison of beauty gets my heart beating sometimes - and is there anything "wrong" with that?
Moreover, I just don't think any of us can have it "both ways" - so some things might benefit from regulation, but the list is simple:
1. Don't kill.
2. Don't steal.
3. Don't lie.
Beyond that - too many rules ruin everything.
I know you didn't really mean that in the light of day - now you see my post above!
Edited as it was....
I won't edit this one again!
I'm a man of my word!
Ken
Of course X answer is the right answer.
If you let it.
An evolved people or civilization has fewer laws as possible. They say the cosmos operates by 3 laws, whilst human life operates by 48... the Earth by 24, the galaxy by 12, the universe by 6... and the ego-personality has 96 laws... which according to kabbalists, is the door to the infernos... every inferno having more and more laws. Therefore, more laws, more Hell on Earth.
In a whorehouse, a woman will automatically start to dress like a whore - to blend in. And to be honest, dressing like a whore had become the norm in Western society.
I witnessed the quite drastic shift after the collapse of the Eastern Bloc, including the behavior and dress code of females. And I have seen plenty of professionals (a.k.a. whores) on the streets at that time to make this comparison.
@eventide:
when i was a teenager, i had very long blonde hair and i had a slender build, which i still possess. occasionally, and particularly from the rear, i was mistaken for a girl. i got a few whistles, no doubt...
most notable though, was the time i took a trip to the lower peninsula of michigan to tour a little and to visit my uncle and his young family. my uncle, for various reasons, was kind of my hero when i was a little kid. he had a footloose and kind of care-free personality and a zest for the outdoors and was 14 years older than me. he got married though, to someone who i thought was a bitch. figure that!
anyway, so i'm like 18 and i am driving a car a long ways from my home. i remember pulling over on the shoulder to look a my map. this was a very, very soft gravel--more like sand--shoulder and maybe it had rained as well. so my car got stuck. i was spinning my wheels and i was thinking about what to do next, when a young man with a truck pulled up behind me. i am sure he thought i was a girl. at any rate, he was hooking his truck with a chain to my car despite the fact that i was a guy when another young man pulled up too, probably thinking the same thing--that i was a girl. in no time at all, i was on my way, thanks to two young healthy males, helping another young healthy male.
btw: generally speaking, i hate cops. i have cop stories. my wife, who is now over 70, still has beautiful blonde hair with very little grey. she can be a bitch though, sometimes. also, we have a daughter who, when growing up, was a one of the most beautiful young ladies you would ever imagine. she still is.
have a nice day.
your friend,
ned
Most women get butt sore when men don't turn around after them anymore. Catcalls come only from a quarter or a third of those men.
This is the point when they realize they had become "invisible" in the great game of sexes.
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Its just some things really ought not be regulated and this is one of them.
duh...I say to all the "feminist" out there - you can't have it both ways.
And truly this is raising a "class" of young ladies who seem to be snowflakes think the "state" is there to protect them - that is even more ironic and tis dangerous in a way - cause when does this thought process end? It just plays into the hands of nefarious entities who must be laughing at the foolishness of it all. Laugh away - but could be some forces are coming into play who respect and appreciate what it means for a man and a women to love each other - but it all commences with courtship - does it not? And if somebody call out towards you - take it a compliment - and don't be no damn snowflake - if they try to touch you in a manner undesired either put them in their place on your own accord - and know that others will do that if somebody tries to harm you.
".....either put them in their place on your own accord (this is the best way), or realize many men will happily do that for you if you but request assistance when you can't do it on your own for whatever reason - and know that others will do that if somebody tries to harm you."
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these "snowflakes" nowadays really need to get a clue - cause there are so many worse things then be "cat-called" upon and if you don't desire that - then hide your face - don't even try to express your beauty - but if you have beauty and you want to display it - then don't try to regulate the response you get. Seriously, I say this as a man with two daughters I consider beautiful in appearance and in other ways....and they can handle themselves - why can't these other gals? And for Christ's sake a bunch of chick cops jogging around looking to arrest somebody - I call that entrapment - oh yeah - you ladies know bout that don't ya?
You can't have it both ways.
But they still dress like ... whores.
I don't mind how anybody dresses - that is their call - but to try to enforce legally a response via "sound" only - without any touch - that is a out of bounds.
can't have it both ways....
Hurting the feelings of a liberal-progressive snowflake is obviously much worse than raping & killing children, and starving brown people to death.
I feel the need to quote Krishnamurti right now :
Also, remember this is a country that tried to criminalise "staring" in public. The UK is an absolute joke, but also a warning as to what happens if you give up your guns.
Don't do it, folks. Never give up your right to bear arms, less you want to become the much-hated (deservingly so) Anglos.
While the UK is not officially part of it (yet again), the same degenerated "elites" rule over the same kind of representatives (officials, politicians and bureacrats).
ENTRAPMENT
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and ladies - some of us fellas are sick and fucking tired of it....can you blame us or do you think we all are fools!
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I think the cops did this should be interrogated, and if they don't realize how wrong it is and was, they should be dismissed.
I think the ones setup this "entrapment" should be identified and punished - more than likely removed from the force with no pension.
I wonder if this is done by some few sickos think they can use it as a tool to divide and conquer - when it comes to the UK more than likely evidence is in on that - but oh how wrong they are.....
And what the ladies think themselves is not a criterium.
Look at image of women from bygone eras - even 40 or 50 years. You will notice a difference. And look how males react which are not accustomed to this behavior and are not so indifferent like the average Westerner. Like our beloved muslim immigrants.
What I hear now is mostly about large cities, and London foremost. And it's not good.
I lived a long time in nature, and due to circumstances I had to go to the UK... I got stranded the night in Bristol, so spent the night walking the streets... by 4am I was a mess, seeing so many sexual images for advertising, I felt sick to the bones... not only women's bodies are exploited but men's minds as well.... I remember seeing a drunk man stumbling through the streets and as a pretty young girl walked by, the drunk male starting trying it on with her... she ran away scared. I just looked at the scene and thought: "What do you expect to happen?"
If sex is used and abused all the god-damn time to sell shit, don't go blaming men for being constantly turned on. Men are being exploited and manipulated by this system. I hope Eventide reads this and stops blaming men for this abuse.... I agree, it is shameful of men to be so weak, but the whole system is rigged against them... have some empathy, please.
Which is probably why I can see it, and point it out.
150 years ago, the sight of a female ankle turned a man on. Now, as long as the nipples are covered on a woman's breasts, or the opening to the vagina is covered by a triangle of fabric, she is considered to be acceptably clothed - as long as there's an ocean nearby or she's in a circumstance where elaborate and artistically-conceived enhancements of the body are considered normal, such as at an elegant party. Someone walking down the street in drapings that revealed more than they hid would receive frowns. In the context of a fancy ball, those same observers would smile and applaud.
Is one of these culturally-induced biases more absurd, arbitrary, or unreasonable than the other? There couldn't be anything more arbitrary than the current definition of "reasonable." The actual definition of that word is 'whatever makes your neighbor comfortable.' If a man is mindlessly following these cultural rules for how he should react, he's got a problem that requires some self-examination, because his behavior has zero to do with the circumstance and everything to do with his ability to be programmed by cultural norms. None of us get a pass on our behavior just because we assert that something "made" us have a particular reaction to a particular circumstance, any more than an eight year old gets a pass because "Danny did it first" or "Aaron told me to do it." Doesn't wash. Sorry.
"What's your reason for doing that? "
"Because everyone else does it."
Perfectly acceptable today.
Personally, I think that level of awareness is a very beautiful thing, and not something that should be drowned out of consciousness through over-excitation... But I'm also aware that most people in society just would not be able to adapt to such a sensitivity of beauty. I would never impose a burka on women or any woman, but equally I don't see why I have to have a woman's sex imposed on my senses and then be marginalised and called a dirty perv for the audacity of having testicles and all that entails.
I expect they give warnings unless the behavior gets - or threatens to be - physical instead of just verbally ugly and noisy. I'm sure there are backups to handle anything that does get physical. Where do you hide a gun - or even pepper spray - on jogging gear? Maybe the louts are haunting the jogging trails, and have tried to physically accost female joggers, or threatened to do so. Maybe that's why these cops felt they had to bring some consequences - to slow their role.
Quoting some unknown author : "When you're the only sane person, you look like the only insane person".
My point is, if the PTB sexualise every single aspect of life, then it is unfair to judge 'men' as being the cause of this problem.
Those female cops could have torn down hypersexualised advertising, or arrested money-grubbing execs who put those adverts everywhere... but no, they threw the blame at 'men'... Just another manipulation game of guilt tripping and blame naming... The same tactic used by the Vatican for centuries, now wearing the modern clothes of Feminism.
Do you really not understand???
DOUBLE THINK = COGNITIVE DISSONANCE = MIND CONTROL = HOLD TWO CONTRARY IDEAS IN MIND AT THE SAME TIME... In this case, completely sexualise every aspect of life... and then, guilt trip all the men for having sexual thoughts.
If you put rotten meat out in the streets, don't complain about the flies.
The latter stuck. It showed a flock of sheep, almost all black, except of one.
As a side note, I realize <we> are the problem. More precisely, our unwillingness to adjust our opinions and thinking to the group (the thing called "groupthink"), and stick to observable reality.
I saw this more as a curse, until not so long ago ...
Ken, I've been away for a while. Missed you bro. Hang tough. Stay strong.
codis and you
ReRan also
Ken
This utter horse-hockey feminism lost its way and been subsumed by wokism group-think ridiculous contradiction and truly - can't have it both ways - this is wrong. Tis entrapment.
white malescreeps.Just as it was a 'sin' to have sexual expression during the church's inverted reign, so does the new world religion of feminism play and manipulate human instincts... Why is there no campaign to stop the hyper-sexualisation of society? MTV can rub your pimpled acned face into a barrage of butts and boobs... but if you dare wolf-whistle at a woman wearing the same clothing on the street, then YOU are the problem... not Hollywood nor MTV.
Tis complete bullshit.
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No wonder the UK is toast wasting away now.....when the idea is to arrest those making "catcalls" upon joggers and whatnot - poor, poor, little rainbows - poor little delicate flowers - pathetic.
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With that said nowadays tis not advisable I reckon to express appreciation of the feminine form in public, but if somebody came to arrest me for doing this - I would spit
in their faceupon the ground - and say - how dare you! You lost your feminism completely - you are just a cog in the machine - you lost your humanity. How dare you arrest somebody for expressing appreciation of the female form?Twisted world we live in - when a man can't express appreciation of the beauty of a women true.
If you go out in public and I can damn see a "camel toe" upon you - and you be a big ass fat bitch or a skinny witch for all I care - then eff you - lose some weight and have a bit of humility. If you be a fine thing so desirable and you make efforts to attract attention - don't be surprised if you get some attention undesired....but if ANYBODY thinks this crap can be regulated - then let me say first and foremost - you have lost touch with humanity.
You know nothing about what it means to be human - and if you think "rules" will solve all your troubles you are lost in delusion.
So - you get what you deserve - and some things can't be regulated - life with it - and grow up.
If thee seek attention - then go get it - but don't be surprised if you get cat-calls upon that behavior.
If you don't want attention of said nature, then behave accordingly - if you think you can have it "both ways" you are mistaken.
But go ahead - do it - but don't complain when you get attention undesired - cause you "put yourself out there" - what you think is gonna happen?
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rhetorical really....salmons if they be everywhere, Mother Nature will assure they get consumed - nothing goes to waste!
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What if it was because they were moving slowly? Were they jay walking? Did they run out in traffic? I have so many questions.
I understand the cat calling but I can't imagine everyone was gawking at their boobs and butts. 👀
So specifically,
1. Were they making gestures or acting in a manner that could fairly be considered increasing the likelihood of getting attention to their femininity ?
2. Were they smiling and cajoling.....were they intentionally wiggling in certain ways provocative?
3. Did they have a "twinkle" in their eyes enticing and did they intentionally make eye contact while jogging?
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If either 1, 2, or 3 is correct or all of em for that matter - then this is "rock solid" case of entrapment .
Gracious me - so glad the cops are on the beat in the uk tending to such criminal behavior - there must be no other criminal activity there of import to send these ladies out for a leisurely jog.
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I sure hope it all was filmed from all angles so as to enable a fair judgement, but from the get go to me seems to be a complete waste of public funds.
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BK
Let go the scorn - better ideas beckon.
[Link] - with a little help from my friends....
Seriously - I'm sure you had a fine butt in the day and maybe still, but I'd never cat-call you - so stop judging all men similar - and don't think you can "regulate" this behavior - you can't have it both ways.
Capice?
And seriously - if there is any "offense" here - tis the offense of entrapment . How dare you think you can regulate expression - uh..uh...out of bounds.
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I believe you have made some "judgements" regarding male behavior and seems you are most biased.
Male ego my ass - talk about a lady group-thinking like a bunch of hens.
You can't have it both ways.
Stop and take a breath.
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But - if you don't want to - lets keep this discourse going - this is only now starting to get "fun"! You must realize - I have a wife - the one and only been married with going on 34 years now and two daughters - you must realize I've been outnumbered by the ladies so many times - and really it all just flows off me nowadays - cause I know better!
You have some real mental issues and need some help. And when society is doing it. You know the programming is working very well. Heil hitler!
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I mean the feminist had a point when they said - we got a vote and you best give it to us! Oh those ladies fighting for suffrage got my support I reckon - they ought have equal vote.
But then if they think they can "have it both ways" and enforce rules upon behavior found undesirable, then that is a step too far - and when "entrapment" is normalized that is the last straw - and the feminist and the gays for that matter - have lost their minds in a way......
They got what they desired, but now they have nothing left to fight for it seems - so then they just cast confusion and harm upon all humanity - as if they never even really desired what they said they did - they were just full of nothing but scorn.
Let me tell you lady - let go of the scorn - it does no good.
now I will basically not post another comment on this article
but let me take you back to Supertramp album...
time chosen - and then let it be I say - this is a "no-win" bit of discourse and I respect all posters here for the most part - hell yeah I do:
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that includes if I may Eventide codis and you as well letschit45 - it includes others not mentioned - it includes even the pissed off goy, the just the fucking truth fella, and Gabrial as well - in includes angels with 2-wings and angels with six as well - seraphims I think they are called.
Maybe at another time we can talk about how you're actually not going to get your guns out and show them oligarch fellers what's what.
There are long-held cultural illusions that simply cannot be openly challenged without stirring up a hornet's nest - yet. I'm aware that the "boys will be boys" solidarity defense mode is one of them. Yet, it's interesting to poke at it now and then just to see if the defensiveness, and tendency to externalize blame, is diminishing. It's OK, if not. There's all the time in the world, and learning is what we're here for!
Really - "group-think" amongst the fellas?
that is clueless....
clueless projection of a hen ought know better!
Get a clue - it ain't a crime to express appreciation - and if it offends you, then take measures to prevent that. It ain't complicated - you reap what you sow.
I agree though - we are here to learn.
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Maybe you should have a conversation with those attractive daughters of yours. Just what are you defending, BK?
[Link] - now one time my whole family the three women and myself confronted one another - I lost that - but then I came back a different man.
Don't try to bully me Eventide - I'll have none of it.
I'm just suggesting that your daughters might be able to help you understand better what that so-called "appreciative" behavior is like from a young female POV. This same primitive male crap has manifested in many different ways: As slavery, as destruction of indigenous cultures, and even as "teaching those ni..ers their place." If men claim a "right" to treat other creatures like objects, whether they're women, pigs, or lichen, they aren't demonstrating manliness. They're showing themselves to be primitive, thoughtless, immature rubes. And it's the place of mature men to call them out, not defend or rationalize it.
I think we've exhausted this subject, don't you?
As for my daughters - I know I mentioned them - but how dare you!
I ain't kidding around.
It's not intentional, I'm sure, but your comments show evidence of having no idea how to relate to women as people deserving of equal respect. Anyone compelled to try to demean others is demonstrating insecurity, and my reaction is generally a combination of impatience and irritation, followed by efforts to be tolerant. Where my ability to exercise tolerance diminishes is when I see such insecure and unconscious behaviors affecting young people who have no defenses. I'm comfortable in my own skin and know how to set boundaries, so I'm not threatened by anything you can say. But that's not true of a vulnerable young person. No one has the right to use young people to compensate for their own lack of maturity and self-awareness in my book. This "hen" can be trusted to challenge that crap.
And, when I treat (or treated) women as superior to me (in my feminist-supporting days) they despised me.
But when I began treating women as potential children and immature, they now flock around me and look up to me.
I'm not judging, just pointing out an observation: that might be why some of our comments show evidence of having no idea how to relate to women as people deserving of equal respect... because, in most cases, when a man does relate to a woman in that way, he becomes invisible and gets ignored.
I still honour and respect women, but I feel it's my duty as a man to rise above the crowd...
"Children look up to the mother, the mother looks to the father, the father looks to his inner Christ, and his inner Christ looks to God."
policing speech is a slippery slope.
After all words hurt feelings and that in no way compares to faculties or life.
The article doesn't say perverts or attackers or handsy men or stalkers or any of that. It says catcalls. Which to me means speech.
i sure hope I raised my kids strong enough to defend themselves against words.
In the short time I've been reading SOTT, I don't think I have seen as long a conversation thread over a story as this one. Considering there are so many stories that are literally life and death, but I suppose I shouldn't be surprised to see people so invested this issue. My take on it is it's seriousness lies in the fact that UK cops actually think this is an issue worth taking on despite having other issues that really threaten life, property and the very existence of the UK itself. Even "Western civilization" itself.
Probably explains why "we"- who want to stop being invaded, having our rights and privacy eroded, and coming in last in the eyes of our government (s), are losing.
Can we all agree to disagree?
Either way, back to your point: yes, there are much, much more pressing matters world-wide worthy of discussion. There always will be. The topic of this article is so petty, so bizzare, and yet it brought/moved many of us to comment.
Why? For me, it is because it points out, yet again, the absurdity of this clown world and the things that go on in it. Simple as that.