Flat Earther spends $20,000 on DIY experiment that accidentally proved the planet is round

Patrick2017 I am a commercial pilot and your comment has to be sarcasm.

Patrick2017 Or why flying west takes longer with the earth spinning eastward below you at 1000kph yet flying east is quicker. That physics never holds up. Just spin a model globe and you see that bs right in front of you. To many unanswered questions, answered by trust the science we've been taught. I still can't understand how someone can believe the moon landings and space station vids are fake, but still believe they live on a ball.

All I know is what we were taught, needs to be discussed more, because the whole globe thing has holes in it. The flat earth model has also got just as many holes in it. Somewhere in between, lies the truth.

JTF Truth This article seems to be making the rounds, I swear SOTT posted this earlier.

JTF Truth

This article seems to be making the rounds

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HalfCuban8 Sarcasm ? 🤔…you don’t recognize stupid?

HalfCuban8 There is many videos proving the earth is flat and I'm not saying flat and water is flowing over the sides but more like a bowl shape with the firmament all a round us. A friend of mine she will be 1001 and I asked her what did they teach you in school and she told me the earth is flat.

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Patrick2017 It was still being debated in the late 1800's. I say debated, but it was really over powered by the narrative makers.

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JTF Truth [Link] moon info.

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the whole globe thing has holes in it. The flat earth model has also got just as many holes in it. Somewhere in between, lies the truth.

It's like the inside of a slinky maybe? We go around, so we think we...No...I've got it! It's a bowl, and the planes are maybe flying down one side, but they think...or...um, it's kinda wavy, maybe? On the upside, you think you're following a curved horizon line, but on the downside...I don't know. But just keep thinking, folks! It's sure to make sense at some point if we follow the...um...logic!

JTF Truth Good link, thanks..

We have been conditioned to the narrative and the NASA NAZIS because they say so, I question everything from all points of views. We see pictures of a rocket at night time and it's blue spraying across the skies. That is the firmament of water and they cannot go any farther up. Thats why rockets go horizontal and not straight up and NASA knows that because they can't penetrate it, the firmament is aprox.200 mil. up. We live in a terrarium so to speak, all the ancient civilizations and some more advanced than us no this.

Eventide Whose logic, that's the important part. To think our ancestors were stupid is the evolutionary way, but from a creation view point they were smarter than we are today. Really old civilizations of the past, were built to last (stone), today civilizations are built of cheap easy to use materials meant to be discarded. The monuments of today are nothing but cheap representations of the past. Not very creative, seeing as we are supposed to be smarter. Scholars use the negative form of myth to down play the truths contained in the old stories. Another way to look at it, Myths were/are the label used by scholars of what we would call today conspiracy theorists. Why would the Greek's teach what we call their myths, as history? To ignore the wisdom of our ancestors is just simply blind ignorance. The blind leading the blind. Like todays youths' want to do. I know, it's hard to keep an open mind about anything in general, we have been so trained and ingrained to think the opposite, in the name of gain and self worth.

The flat earth discussion is important, right or wrong, as most here know the history we've been taught has been manipulated daily to fit the narratives, just like the 5 things to know a leak is fake article. Flat earth is uncomfortable for most to discuss or think about, it goes against what we've been taught the last 125 years or so, ignoring the fact that prior to that this time period our ancestors thought differently. If something is uncomfortable for someone to discuss, then that implies there is a fear at play, however minor. Like walking down a dark alleyway alone at night. You either walk through it (over coming your fear) or you take the easy way and walk around the block, ignorant of the possibility that walking around the block can be just as dangerous. We all must question and analyze anything told/taught to us by the PTB/those in charge, since we started keeping records. Everything has to be on the table in order to have a proper open discussion. We will each take away what is relevant to our belief system or learn to see it a different way, even if it is hard to accept.

To be dismissive is ignorance. A person is not a good "conspiracy theorist" if they are only willing to accept that only certain things can be a conspiracy, especially when we know how contrived our reality has been formed around us. We all know what good is. In order to accept that somethings are good, you have to accept that somethings can be bad. Lie you can't have one without the other. You either are telling the truth (as best you can) or you are lying (BS counts as a lie or omission of the truth). There is no such thing as a little white lie just as there is no gray area between black and white.

AutomatedMan Who decides which 'truth' that will be?

Baybars It isn't a question of "which truth". That isn't addressing truth, it's addressing opinion. The question is what level of truth? Is it physical, emotional, or mental? Is it productive or destructive of the person's progress in development? At the level of physics they are off the mark. There is no truth to be found in their questioning of the physical shape to the earth. It's a dead end and a distraction.

LadyRad Surely the latter.

And the turtle floats through space [Link]

LadyRad Ask, and you shall receive...

Gen 1:7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

Gen 1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

Gen 1:9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

Gen 1:10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

Job_38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

Job_38:6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;

1Sa_2:8 He raiseth up the poor out of the dust, and lifteth up the beggar from the dunghill, to set them among princes, and to make them inherit the throne of glory: for the pillars of the earth are the LORD'S, and he hath set the world upon them.

I'm not trying to convert or make anyone believe, just simply pointing out what the ancient texts speak of. Even the ancient religions talk of the pillars and the tent of the sky. Our ancestors were smarter than us today (hard to accept that, considering what we've been brainwashed to believe) and I'll take their word before I'll submit to the word of any so called scientist, especially the ones who created space.

You do not believe the covid scientists, so why would you believe the early scientists who proposed space? The lies are not recent, the lies go way back, buried in His Story. Space is like dark matter, dark energy or any other dark thing they name. They call it that because they haven't a clue to what it is.

If we do, live on a flat plain, why is that pill so hard to swallow over the man made space, globe and planets stories told by men of science? Remember, space construct is all based on you believing theories, not science facts as all the theories are used to prop up their other theories. It's endless.

LadyRad Neither. It is a Frisbee hurtling through space and we are riding on it like the kids ride the 'barf machine' at the local park.

Baybars You trying to get a sponsorship?

JTF Truth I can't get sponsorship; I'm not trans nor do I identify as a cauliflower or other garden vegetable.

JTF Truth if you rely on the word ‘firmament’ as a proof for the earth being flat… the Hebrew word for what was translated as ‘firmament’ is רקיע - pronounced “rakeeah” and it means ‘sky’. The root for the word is רקע “kekah” which means ‘background’. But remember that literal translation from one language to another is rarely precise and context is needed to find the right word to convey the real meaning. So using your own example of Gen 1:7 “And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so” - the word firmament in this context would be translated into modern English as “atmosphere”. Another idea is the water canopy that was surrounding the planet in the times past.

PS I compared many passages of the Old Testament in English to hebrew and the translation is lacking in quality in many places in the Bible.

LadyRad Thanks, I do the same, I use e-Sword.

I wasn't pointing out the firmament, I was pointing out the waters above and below, implying they are still there. There was a conversation here a couple of weeks ago about resonance frequency. Bible mention the sound of heaven and we know each star has it's own resonant frequency signature. Sonar luminescence, light in a jar, caused by sound. Adds to the big picture for waters above.

JTF Truth I haven’t heard of e-sword before. I rely on my own knowledge of Hebrew and just compared the 2. Hebrew is very mathematical and with rare exceptions, most words have a 3 letter root that allows you to understand all derivations of it. I don’t take anything in the Bible at face value and the word ‘God’ in the Hebrew Bible is אלוהים (Elohim) which is multiple for god (אל - El) and not a single entity. Maybe the Old Testament “gods” are aliens. I’ve read somewhere that the original version of genesis started with “in the beginning there was logos” - a word, so it is possible that everything was created with a sound frequency

LadyRad e-sword is a download software and allows you to see KJV and KJV+, which uses Strong's concordance of the Hebrew translation. You can see the derivations of what was said in English. I prefer it than the online versions. I wish I knew Hebrew and I'm aware the math associated with it. Check out the Meru Foundation, he give a really good breakdown of what he found in the old testament and the Hebrew language iteself. I also will reference the Greek Version, as sometimes meanings got lost in translation.

I'm aware of the Elohim translation and implications. I came at it from the alien and men of renown perspective, too many contradictions for me. Aliens or Angels both are the same as Angels are alien to earth. Even one of the Mufon people spoke about the alien encounters that ended instantaneously when Christ name was mentioned. This link goes into more explanation and comparison of the 2. [Link] My lingering question has always been, so where did they go (Angels), specifically the fallen ones. That stemmed from my always wondering where all these powerful families of history went, some truly disappeared, but a few only disappeared from the history books. I read the Sumerian tales, Greek Gods (knowing they still teach that in Greece as history), Roman, Norse and a couple of others. The stories contain history and lots of parallels, even with the Bible. I read the Hermetic Texts, Hamlets Mill and other obtuse esoteric teachings. That's way to much common fiction for me across a lot of time, all of it early time, preGreek and Roman all back to Babel. Ron Wyatt's testimonies and other people, such as Tesla, who were buried from history all because they witnessed or knew things differently than the narrative. Why all the trouble to hide things like this. Even Wernher Von Braun's tombstone's message psalm 19.1 and the message he repeatedly gave to his assistant about what's coming.

I respect what you are saying, but for me it's faith in the word and meaning. I'm fascinated by the mathematical improbabilities in the book as the math doesn't work for English. Ivan Panin was one of the first, he was an atheist who converted and believed in God after his findings. Koinonia House, with the late Chuck Missler has a couple of vids on the mathematical probabilities they found.

There is so much more that I've read and forgotten. I've come full circle, I was taught about GOD, by my parents as a child (we were not religious or went to church), and as a young adult, I strayed away reading about aliens and gods and unexplained mysteries eventually bringing me to the Bible. I had to read it, in order to criticize it and I can't do that. It's the sum of all I've learned.

We are a result of the spoken word, resonance.

Good conversation! Always a pleasure chatting with you.

JTF Truth wow! You really have gone down all the rabbit holes… Love it! I’ve been taking the same approach in my own research over the years. As far as the “fallen angels,” the Bible does talk about pillars of light and chariots of fire that sound uncannily like UFOs in the sky. I’ve read about and even met an abductee that claimed that evoking the name of Jesus made the abductors leave. Karla Turner’s research refuted the invocation as beneficial and provided examples of the aliens presenting a Nordic looking “Jesus” to the devoted religious abductees to make them comply. My own unfortunate personal experience with the subject matter taught me that they only leave you alone when you greet them with justified anger and brute force. My abductions always started with me evoking different versions of the F-word one of the last times they came for me, I broke paralysis and stood up on my bed. While the two of the three little grays tried to wrestle me to lie back in bed, their colleague grabbed my ankle and was promptly grabbed by the neck and lifted up in the air - it just went limp. Then it was hurled at its colleagues like a bowling ball and all 3 of them decided to depart empty handed. I know it sounds unbelievable, but to me it’s one of many memories I wish didn’t have. They never came back after that, but I had to then deal with reptilians directly a couple of times. They may be stronger and smarter than us, but the same rules apply - for some reason they don’t like humans getting angry at them. I think it’s akin to our scientists preferring to experiment on lab rats than tranquilized lions. Have you come across Alon Anava’s lectures by any chance? He was a secular guy that became a hassidic Jew in his late 20s after a NDE and have been giving lectures on the Old Testament and kabalistic teachings with an interesting perspective - not something that was available before to the general public. Apparently, some of the books talk about aliens, underground civilization and other “conspiracy theories.” Unfortunately, many of his lectures are behind a paywall now, but here’s one example and you can check his channel for other stuff, if you find it interesting:

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LadyRad Thanks for the link. I have seen some of his video's. I'm going with my gut feeling on him, not to trust him.

That is quite the experience. The Christian Ufology Research link above does explain/provide information about what you experienced. They are very real, that is for sure. My experiences have more to do with supernatural, synchronicity, prophetic dreams, de ja vu's, time displacement (that was mild and real time). 3 times, while awake and sober, I had experienced very brief glimpses of having the veil parted and knowing the total truth of everything. It's the only way I can describe it. Like being given a glimpse to all the answers of all. Each time it lasted maybe 10 seconds and was very spiritual in a Godly sense. Nothing like what you have experienced, though. Keep Christ close in case it happens again, is all I can recommend, your friend did well.

Speaking of which, I added you name to another comment, but forgot the double [[]] brackets everyone to get the link. [Link] I hope you check it out if you haven't already.

Lots of rabbit holes like Cacye, Sitchin, Daniken, Hancock, Bauval, Temple, Nostradamus, and a bunch of others. Of them all, Cayce was the most religious, yet ignored the teachings he believed in and paid a price for that. The others talk all around biblical teachings with the common goal of it must be aliens. Hancock is non-religious, except for his own. They all bring to light the disjointedness of history. Temple, sticks pretty much to to the facts, him and Bauval disagree, some fight between them about Giza.

One of my fruit tests about people providing good information, is the handout for money test, especially when it come to religious topics. I don't mind them asking for support, I get it as that's their business model, they depend on it. But if you are just in it for the money, they are probably hiding something. Information is king, it drives the money game. Not sharing knowledge in my books is morally unacceptable, especially when it is of benefit to all. I see that as the single most important way to fight against the PTB. The bible tells us that in the end days, lots of truths will come out and they are, hence the more reason to censor everything, because it's the one cornerstone that can bring down the house of lies.

JTF Truth I know what you’re talking about the veil being parted! I referred to such experiences as moments of pure clarity. Dine know what else to call them. I could even know what will happen in the next few seconds before it actually happened continuously for 10-15 minutes at a time. It would stop because I would start thinking about it.

I mean no disrespect, but I won’t be calling for Jesus in times of troubles. I am spiritual but in this world I rely on myself for better it worse. We are definitely living in very interesting times! A lot is being revealed but we have so much more to discover about ourselves and our history. I’m grateful to the people that dig up for information and present it to the rest of us past and present. But I get what you’re saying about sharing the information freely to everyone and earning and income from those that can afford to make a financial contribution especially during current times when money is getting tighter for so many.

LadyRad Yes, not many people mention or write about it, let alone experience it. Glad to talk to someone who has. It was also visual, in that it included my sight as well as my mind. Veil or Portal, I will never forget it. There is more to life than what we see touch and feel.

None taken. It's aIways a pleasure to learn something new, be it a different aspect, twist, perspective etc. It truly is a lovely journey, life!

JTFT

Nada My grammar and spelling is atrocious too, yet sometimes I can see the err.

Whether it’s a sphere or flat, it’s still a prison planet.

I never understood the fascination we have with the news, yet here we are.

It's actually a good debate, as it pertains to narratives. When do you think the narratives started, 10, 20, 30, 100, 200 ...years ago? So from that point of view, it's relative as there is still info out there to be had for both cases, once digital currencies take over, do you really believe we'll be able to talk about anything on the internet again, openly?

JTF Truth When I used to debate on mainstream media social platforms about actual humans and their actual plans to enslave us, some users would pop up saying how flat earth was the most important piece of the puzzle. It all seemed like an attempt to distract from the real players and real problems we face in real-time. It's just my opinion that arguing over the shape of the earth while being slowing chained at the foot serves no purpose when it comes to freeing ourselves.

The shape of our planet isn't the reason we're experiencing this shit show today.

It's the lies, deceit, tactics, institutions and willful idiots of an out of touch, intra-predatory class of humans who have waged war on the rest of humanity due to their arrogance, hubris and collective psychopathy. A Flat Earth won't change that.

Nada You missed the point, the lies go deep, back through time/history. The war is not about the lies, the war is spiritual. The globe represents science. Science of deceit. Making you think the world is a globe takes you away from GOD and that's the battle.

When defending yourself in battle, it's best to be on solid ground, not ground that is moving (or spinning).

Tell a Big Enough Lie, repeat it often, back it up with more lies and bigger lies, in the end, it's still a lie. Flat earth or flat plane is the biggest example of their lies, crack that nut and the rest will spill all over the floor.

So we agree they lie, yet you say believing flat earth won't change that, implies you are still hanging onto some lies. Don't defend their narrative, let go of all the lies and be free.

JTF Truth The lies about the Mud Floods all the Tartarians and their buildings from the 17- 19 hundreds. The free energy, elect cars, 2 wheel elect scooters, elect heat etc.The people that came out west in covered wagons didn't build the magnificent buildings. Try and find an old grave yard that has a burial dated beyond 1600 many people have tried and none found.The lies the lies the lies that hurt us. What about all the tech. from the aliens, hundreds of ways to help humanity. This is about finding truth.

HWBush said " if the American public found out what we did to them they would chase us down and hang us from the nearest lamp post"

Patrick2017 Unfortunately I think that's what they want us to do, so they can bring about martial law and the military. Nothing is as it seems, that's for sure. It's like peeling the layers of an onion away.

JTF Truth

believing flat earth won't change that, implies you are still hanging onto some lies.

No, it just implies that flat earth doesn’t effect anything on my end of the battle.

I respect that it means so much to you but it’s not a factor in my battle. Spiritually, mentally or physically.

Patrick2017

Try and find an old grave yard that has a burial dated beyond 1600

You do know that many cultures buried their dead without a need for a headstone to commemorate it.

Nada That may be true, I should have said head stones but did not, thanks for saying so. Head stones that were carved in rock, wood, and dated to that year etc.😊