Snow covers Saudi Arabia's Tabuk region on New Year's Day

Rowan Cocoan - I have an update to offer. The first seed has sprung. It was a red cabbage one. I just love that baby plant.

Serious shit coming down the pike I reckon, but I'm ready. I will feed my family and I will feed my pot belly. All by lonesome if need be because I'm determined. Serious Business - so as the fine doctor Peter McCullough said so many months ago: Be unbreakable!

Peace is on the way - I feel it....I feel it in my heart,

BK

Buffalo_Ken I love it and your attitude!

RC

Buffalo_Ken Have you read P's links to Suspicious 0bservers' videos? They give daily briefings and are really on the ball. [Link]
RC

Rowan Cocoan - noted and thank-you.

Ken

Buffalo_Ken This is a super consolidated version of videos by S0 re their disaster series. That guy is on the ball. [Link] He's open minded and has been subjected to all the usually harassment attempts. I always listen at high speed.

RC

Rowan Cocoan - sorry RC.

Can't click the link.

Going forward, please understand I won't be watching any of the YT google alphabet BS cause just like Israel I'm boycotting Google and all its manifestations.

Serious business and I'm seriously not playing around.

Tomorrow I will get my stretches in and tomorrow is a new day. I've been saying for a long time that some of us are fedup enough to take this to the end and the end time is approaching and all I can say is: may the best ideas win.

BK

Buffalo_Ken We've gotta meet. RC

Buffalo_Ken I've gotta guess that they've got a non YT site but I've not been able to find it.

RC

Rowan Cocoan - hey thanks for respecting my resolution and I agree. We need to meet, so lets make it happen. I'm thinking it is going to make more sense for me to head down your way way than vice-versa and so maybe, just dreaming a bit now, this can happen in 2022, the year of stretching in my mind. I will stretch down your way and then we can meet face-to-face and I am confident you will help me stretch my ideas and understanding of things in a way that is only possible when we are sitting across the table looking for solutions. So, it is both good to dream and lets make it happen. Why not?

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Here is a nice song title and it is the song I'm listening to just now: "At the Bottom of Everything" by Bright Eyes.....ah, the vigor of the young and the idealism of the hopeful.

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So the Bills prevailed today in their game 29-15 I think the score was and Matty Ryan got pissed off on one play (probably as only the Irish can) that was challenged and his unsportsmanlike conduct cost the team 15-yards and it made all the difference, but I appreciated some of the after game contemplation from the Atlanta coaching staff with respect to learning one game at a time. I really appreciated that.

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I know I have been a bit chatty today, but WN3 said this is a chatting forum so I figured - why not?

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When I do my morning stretches I try to listen to my body and let it tell me the muscles or areas that feel like they have been neglected or that feel as if things are out of balance. I listen to what my body is communicating to my mind and I feel the imbalance and then I try to stretch accordingly because it is good for the body to be balanced and that truly is ingredient number one towards more healthy living and that is what I am both striving and stretching to achieve.

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Not much more to say I reckon other than I'm so glad 2021 is over and I'm happy just to be alive.

Lets talk again later.

Ken

Buffalo_Ken - Hey Rowan Cocoan I think we presently "own" this thread....ha, ha.

So, since it is just you and I here presently by no choice of our own or in a sort of random way......if you don't mind let me take a moment to share with you my "seed plans".

So I have acquired a wonderful assortment of seeds that I hope have a shelf-life of at least a few years. This year as I have indicated elsewhere at sott.net my focus is going to be on cabbage and peppers. Here is my plan that I will put into action soon - if not today.

1. Hang the grow lights - I purchased two of them for about $50 each - they have very bright individual "led" lights - very bright!

2. Assemble the "seeding package" that I acquired. It has 72 receptacles for germinating seeds and also came with starting "soil" that will expand after water is added. Once assembled, I'll add the water, let the soil packets expand, stir up the resulting dirt and throw in a few seeds into each receptable.

3. I will make notes as to which seeds to into each receptible. I'll add labels and then I'll take a picture of it for good measure.

4. OK, I have 72 receptible to get these plants going. So, I think 24 of them will be dedicated to cabbage - perhaps 36. Amongst the seeds I have are at least 6 different types of cabbage. I think I will keep my efforts this year to just 3 of the 6. One of them will definitely be the "red cabbage", which if it grows to completion should weight 3 or 4 pounds just before being picked. For the other receptacles, all of them but 12, I plan an planting the seeds we saved from last year and some I've obtained from a friend who lives nearby. These will be a combination of peppers, some sweet and some not so much! Plus, we have some tomato seeds saved including some from a da-gong heirloom tomato my wife bought at the nearby farmers market and that damn tomato by its lonesome cost $5 so that seeds better sprout.

5. I'll keep good records of how it goes and I'll probably start taking pictures daily assuming germination goes according to plan.

2022 is going to be a hell of a fun year for me - a fun year of learning and I'm super ready to get this going!

Peace to you,

Ken

ok, ok - can't help myself - let me invite Si as well.... Christian83 (I think I typed that correct.....

Buffalo_Ken Damn. You're sounding like Gregor Mendel. [Link]

Hey C83. BK: You got it right. You can tell you did by the fact that C83's name is highlighted. If it doesn't highlight when one posts, then they must edit and get it right.

RC

Rowan Cocoan .....ha, ha. Thanks for the link. I'm still learning my way around here at sott.net and I appreciate all of your help in that regard. I'll provide periodic updates here I suppose on how my seeds are doing, but I'm pretty sure given the quality of the soil at my places in Fries, VA (104 and 108 Vine St - you can look it up...) that there is gonna be some good stuff growing there! I got those places on the cheap so-to-speak, but that was never the plan. Those places are what we always wanted and so it is like a dream come true, but you wouldn't believe, or maybe "you" would, what it took to get to those places and to bring them to their present state. That is why I am so excited about 2022 and all the good things fixing to happen for the benefit of all of us both individually and collectively in balance!

Thanks RC.

Ken

Buffalo_Ken You wanna know what's cool? I have a feeling that I will see them.

Thanks for your kind note. Very needed.

RC

Buffalo_Ken If you're really serious about it, build yourself a pi-hole. But be prepared for disappointment re: the utility of the web without google analytic integration. Most sites simply won't run if you block it from your network. However, a pi-hole is pretty cheap and simple to configure, so experimentation is also pretty easy. It's one surefire way to remove ads from your browsing experience above and beyond plug-ins like AdBlock Plus though.

Artex - nah. That sounds like too much trouble. Thanks anyhow.

By the way, did you see that other link I provided elsewhere regarding the reciprocal of the square root of 10 - (in a 10-based system of course)? Here it is: [Link]
I'm seriously looking for somebody to talk with me about this number relationship because I find it amazing and it informs my view of so many things.

Thanks Artex for sharing here and lets talk more.

Buffalo_Ken - dammit. I didn't mean for that to show up anywhere.....oh well.

Oh well.

Buffalo_Ken - holy crap, I just felt compelled to type quick. Now, this is a serious thread and so I won't make light of anything anybody wants to discuss here. I'm trying to share some of where I am at because I know I exist and I know others do as well. I scratch your back, I don't expect you to scratch my back back. Seriously, I don't. You help me out, I'll try to reciprocate, but sometimes it is delicate if you know what I mean.

Anyhow, here we are, and it may just be imaginary, but I don't think so.

Ken

Buffalo_Ken If you're on the C forums, I'm also Artex on there and you can send direct messages.

Artex - I'm not sure what the "C" forums are, but explain to me if you think that would be easy.

Just literally planted 32 seed receptacles ( edit made here ). The first 8 were from the $5 Heirloom tomato. The next 8 were pepper seeds we saved from this years crop. The next 16 were pepper seeds I acquired from a friend who has both Ghost pepper plants and one other type of pepper for the life of me I just can't remember the name of now, but it will come back to me. So I have 40 receptacles left and 24 of them are reserved for cabbage. I'm not sure yet what I'm going to do with the 16 that are left. Suggestions appreciated.

Peace - Ken

ps - at first I was cautious trying to keep the seed numbers the same, but that was a waste of time. After that I let the number of seeds be fairly random and to be honest I think the seeds that do not sprout will still provide benefit in the soil.

Buffalo_Ken Cassiopaea.org/Forum

sott.net is essentially a supporting site to cassiopaea.org. It functions as a news aggregator which collect articles related to the information that comes from "The Cs". If you haven't read The Wave, cassiopaea.org is where you should start. When Rowan Cocoan mentions sottites vs. sottypes, he is talking about those who discovered cassiopaea vs. those who only know sott, but are on the right path.

It's a lot of reading, but I suspect that once you start, like many of us, you'll have a hard time stopping, and the rabbit hole goes deep. It might seem "woo" but it is supported with the scientific method.

Artex - thankyou. Much appreciated. One thing I discovered was some of those associated with sott.net are close by and this gives me comfort. The nuances sometimes are difficult but the bottom line is we are better together.

Ken

Artex - now what I am thinking is some carrots and onions taking 8 of the receptacles. Then a little cilantro maybe, but I think that prefers just growing naturally in the soil, so forget that. Still, I'm growing that - it is good herb. For the last 8 I'll offer it up to my sweetie who I hope will tell me what she wants!

I will try to check out the forum you mention or I might come up with an alternative suggestion for a place to share images.

Ken

Artex Actually, I mean SOTTites as any commenter here and SOTType as someone who would if they could and knew about SOTT. I never intended it to apply to the C folks like you, G.O., etc. I'm a relative neophyte on that but I fully believe it.

RC

Buffalo_Ken Worth keeping in mind that growing carrots is only worthwhile if you really like carrots, because even organic ones are cheap in the store and they take a lot of garden space. Organic onions on the other hand aren't so cheap.

Rowan Cocoan I just picked up My Big TOE by Tom Campbell yesterday because of this article Power vs Force: The inevitable collapse of the New World Order -- Science of the Spirit -- Sott.net and already the book supports the work that's been done over at Cassiopaea.

Also, my mistake, thanks for the clarification.

Artex - noted and thank you. Maybe I'll just go with all onion....I think I have more than one type of onion in my seed collection. I'm hoping these seeds have a multi-year shelf life, but I reckon I will find out one way or the other!

Rowan Cocoan - RC.



ha, ha......I'll tell you this, in that play Cricket and I chose to act as we did, we just blazed into the line of scrimmage and tackled that punk! Unfortunately the ball was handed off to somebody else....ha, ha. Still, it was totally worth it.

Buffalo_Ken Your seeds will last years if stored properly. There are lots of articles out there from places like shtfplan on seed storage.

Artex & BK: Thanks both. RC

Buffalo_Ken Your seeds will last years if stored properly. There are lots of articles out there from places like shtfplan on seed storage.

Well you must know, some information is better than other information. I want to share my ideas here on this thread about local commerce and my efforts towards establishing my own in this regard. So, that is the purpose of this place or this thread just now in my mind, but I don't really care where it goes and leads because I'm vested in it. My main desire is to learn something and maybe share some things I have learned myself.

OK, I can tell I'm getting a bit "goofy" so I'm gonna check out for now, but I do hope we can share images/pictures with each other in the near future.

Ken

Artex - ha, ha, ha. OK. I checked the link and thank-you. I swear I have been there before - maybe more than once!

I'm going to come up with a place where I post a few images of the seed situation and progress. Thanks to your suggestion Artex, I've decided to forego the carrots, but it turns out I only have one sort of onion seed. I think that leaves 4 receptacles left. Maybe, they can be sort of wildcards! For the fun of a little randomness.

Thanks,

Ken

Buffalo_Ken I don't know what climate you live in, but you may want to invest in some seed tray heating pads as they will do much better between 75F and 80F. When I've tried to start seeds here in WI, they struggle as it's tough to keep the ambient temperature above 70 indoors before late spring. You can get pretty cheap indoor greenhouse racks though which do great in front of a window in the winter. They should be big enough to house your grow lamps too. I also recently bought an LED grow lamp which I was using to overwinter my scorpion pepper from last year. It was doing well until aphids suddenly appeared and now I'm not sure it will survive.

I'd even consider a community garden plot, but I'm also concerned that the virtue-signaling others who wear masks outdoors and who use such gardens might push my sanity over the edge. I might have to really push my MIL to let me take over her back yard and create a good sized garden. She's unusually resistant to change.

Artex - thankyou. We keep our house at around 63 degrees F. Most of these seeds I'm hoping will gradually become more cold tolerant, and 63 isn't really that cold. But, I appreciate your heads-up in this regard and if germination seems delayed, I'll move the tray I have along with the grow light (which will also keeps things a bit warmer) to somewhere better.

My wife and I discussed plans yesterday, the conversation did get a tad agitated a time or two, but we are used to that and she helped me pick out a few more veggies to grow. I was very surprised at how diminutive and round and tough the cabbage seeds were and I'm not sure where these seeds end up in the grown plant if it ever gets to that.

2022 - It may be a "WAR", but it will be a war like no other - it will be better!



Ken

Artex When I've tried to start seeds here in WI, they struggle as it's tough to keep the ambient temperature above 70 indoors before late spring.

Sounds like heaven.

RC

On edit: I just noticed how excellent my new avatar matches that. (snow dusted snow leopard cub)

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Rowan Cocoan - OK, since you mentioned it I noticed you new avatar (moniker?) as well - avatar is the word for it isn't it. Anyhow, I saw that big mean tiger that showed up for awhile and it was impressive, but as you must know, I'm a big fan of bobcats and I believe that cat in the snow is a bobcat. I doubt it is the one I ran into so long ago and I suppose I should have gone and got that cat myself, but that is just not my style!

Things seem to be heating up and thank goodness for that. I've got all seeds planted now and they are under a light. I hope for some germination in about a weeks time and I will find a place to share some images of this with you all. I hope Christian83 shows up to join us in this conversation, but I respect choice because I believe in free will - more than that, I know free will is undeniable.

Just like resistance from the middle!

I say that last sentence above because it comes from a "story" I share freely that has been easy to find for so long and so why advertise? If it resonates then it will resonate and if don't then it don't. Simple as that.

Man, my liver been through the ringer, but I know how to heal because just like everybody else here I reckon, we all have learned how to heal and then come back better.

Ken

Buffalo_Ken There I was quietly getting lean, mixing it up and getting all Irish ☘️ and I get a funny burning urge that some bod has messaged me. Well just you look at that!

Yo Kendo I’m glad to hear your veg plans man great stuff. Get this bro. If it ain’t the government it’s your cunting ex gf! I was literally just getting my purple sprouting broccoli ready to crop for the first time, it’s replenishible you can cut the tips of to eat and it would produce new one, and well I never managed it. While I was away my ex came over and destroyed everything. Gutted man that was annoying. I can’t even complain about it either cos it’s all government land haha I stole it haha. I’m just glad it was my last harvest.

If ya ever need any tips bro then let me know, I’ll do my upmost to help.

(Free tip) Turn your earth a month or so early to aerate it. If ya can try and get some sort of organic manure as well to fold it in. But be careful about your manure because if you get an animal that’s been heavy on the vet medical shit then you will end up fertilising your produce in that nasty shit man. Anyway Kendo, Godspeed nigga 😇😂

Christian83 - most appreciated your insight and thank-you for joining the conversation.

Ken

Buffalo_Ken No worries hombre.

Hope you are doing ok my friend.

Christian83 - I'm doing the best I can, but my patience is wearing thin. Not with you or RC or Artex or the many others here at sott.net. My patience is running thin with the ones I love the most because I can't tolerate their unwillingness to realize what is truly going on here much longer, but don't worry I am a good communicator and they know my sentiment.

I'm not afraid of the future, nor am I afraid of my eventual ending because none of us will be around forever. I just made a choice about two years back that all my debts were paid off, my life been lived in service to others for the benefit of us all, and I was done with participating in a system that was not uplifting for my spirit.

I have high hopes, and can be fearless, I have no fear, I'm not afraid, but I know I have no idea what is going to happen next and I consider that part of the beauty of free will and I relish in it.

OK - I won't be back here unless I change my mind until I have some images that I can offer up. Hopefully within one week some of these seeds are going to germinate, but I know this. I'm still learning and that is why I love being alive.

Peace Si!

Ken

Christian83 Have y'all heard of the latest SOTT martial art? Yo Kendo

BK: Excellent approach to this fucked up mess!

What does this mean?

OK - I won't be back here unless I change my mind

RC

Buffalo_Ken Yo Kendom* (🤪) I feel you man I’ve only managed to swing one family member over to our side. I’m devastated I can’t even begin to change there mind. What’s really fucking shit is my niece is double fucked. I’m sorry for the obscenity’s but I’m bored of this shit, I’m drunk and it’s satanic. It’s so fucking blatant yet I can’t make them see it. It’s weak man yet here I am. I’m just glad I got one of them back, the most important part of my life man, my mum. I saved her man,

So I hope you come to terms with it my chum I’m finding it tough so if you want to chat on a secret thread let me know I’ll sort it out.

Christian83 That's pretty rude.

RC

What does this mean?

OK - I won't be back here unless I change my mind

RC

It means sometimes I say I am going to do one thing, but then I change my mind and do something else. I hope you can understand that. I'm guessing that you understand. Plus, I did say I would be back after "germination" of the seeds regardless, and that has not yet happened, but by virtue of your query I decided to respond beforehand.

I've got the light on bright now on these little seedlings and I appreciate Artex's suggestion that warmth is important for germination. I suspect when the first "tendons" come out of the seeds activated by a combination of temperature and moisture that they head for the light, so if there is no light, then they might go in the wrong direction.

Serious business and I am seriously ready to get this fight going! If my permaculture plans go as imagined (which I know they won't) it could be many good ideas emerge because it will all be about learning by doing.

Peace RC and thanks again.

Ken

Buffalo_Ken I didn't see the above previously. Thanks!

As re" [Link] That's really cool!

Also, be aware that awakened folks like SOTTypes (and even moreso, SOTTites) are almost surely hyper monitored by malevolents, etc.

Folks, does it cost $ to have a webpage like that? I don't know anything about that stuff; I've only had emails.

Peace be unto you and yours.

RC

Rowan Cocoan - Hey RC.....let me type this. About 13 or 14 years ago, I had like over 20 websites registered and I told stories on a whole bunch of them that basically are in the "www void now", but I'm sure somewhere, copies were made by "others" with a time stamp. It doesn't bother me because they were my stories and for most of them I saved copies along the way including hard copies. The reality is those stories are "out there" and I'm not trying to hold onto them because I'm happy the www gave me a "forum" so-to-speak to express myself. Oh my goodness, I had so many pictures as well on those old sites with stories that are close to my heart.

Nowadays, I only have 3 active sites left, oh wait, make that 4. The one mentioned above, and a few more that are all interlinked - the 3 of them. My 4th site is renewed monthly and it is for my business. Here is the link for that - [Link] (I need to make an update there since it is 2022 now).

I believe I have been consistent and genuine in how I have presented myself here at sott.net. I try to do that all the time because otherwise it gets tricky to keep up with the facade. I've learned much here and for that I'm thankful. I hope to keep on learning everyday because that is what gives me joy.

Peace, Ken

ps - many cabbage seeds have sprung now....I think I had too many seeds there or more than needed, but I didn't know since this is my first time doing this sort of thing. Next time, assuming the seed viability remains, I'll sow fewer. But the good news is these seeds have sprung robustly and they give me joy.

Buffalo_Ken Yeah. That's kind of my approach to what I've done here.

Thanks!

RC

Rowan Cocoan Artex Christian83 - Update # 1

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OK, I'm a proud papa of many sprouts and here is an update. The time is as follows: 11222 1404 est us a sprouting.

1. The cabbage are so robust they look like a little forest of sprouts in each row - next time I'll plant fewer seeds, but they are small (the seeds) and I got a little lazy with placement.

2. The beets have emerged in good numbers.

3. The first ghost peppa sprout (or could it be tabasco ? - or maybe a hybrid) showed its leaves a few hours ago. That is a relief.

4. I think there is maybe one onion showing up.....can't remember for sure. I need to double check what is planted where.

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Also, I would like to clarify one thing that I think I got incorrect up above. There are 72 receptacles total, but it is a 6 x 12 container with 12 rows of 6 or vice-versa (not 8 x 9). The setup entails the receptacle holder placed on top of a water reservoir with a felt pad inbetween dipping into the reservoir at the ends. The felt pad wicks water up to the receptacles which each have holes on the bottom (multi-day watering). I have a clear plastic top that can be used and I have used this recently but intermittently. It keeps the moisture within and also helps the temperature increase to a better germination degree by virtue of the grow light. I am only using one of my grow lights and this thing is pretty sweet. It is attached to the ceiling with cord and clips and hovers six or seven inches above the baby plants (I haven't measured it).

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So far, so good and I'll provide another report when more germination occurs, which I'm hoping is what is going to happen, but I don't know for sure.

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Ken

Buffalo_Ken Make sure you do your homework regarding the thinning of sprouts. At this point, you may be able to fill a couple more trays, assuming you used several seeds per starter puck.

Artex - I filled all of the receptacles with seeds, but I have a few other receptible containers and I think I have some seriously good soil from a long-time ago compost bin area in my backyard. I will look into what you mention regarding thinning. I'm hoping I can actually save many of the sprouts in new receptacles, and I think you might have been getting at that as well.

Thanks Artex.

Ken

Buffalo_Ken In my back yard under my oak tree (which also covers my front yard, the street, the neighbor's house etc.) if you stick a shovel in it you always cut a couple earthworms in half and usually will have three survivors in a shovelful at least.

RC

Rowan Cocoan - Just a little update here. Have you ever been so in love you don't know how in love you are?

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So, all and I mean all of the receptacles have sprouts cepting the ones with the saved pepper seeds from my garden in VA. Both rows of the ghost peppas, the seeds my friend gave me, have sprung wonderfully as well as all of the other rows (or columns if your prefer). It is amazing to see new life grow from just a seed this way. I already know planting the onions was a mistake, but I loved observing how their seeds sprung. As for the beets, the 5 dolla heirloom tomato (nicely sprung), all the unbelievable cabbage, some cilantro (probably could of planted that directly) and the tomato seeds saved from VA....they all give me so much hope just to be mushy once again.

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Man, did I get in a bad mood hear a few days ago, a seriously bad mood......had to settle myself down and I'm so happy they let me login again, but I plan on laying low for a bit of time and I think that makes good sense for all around.

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That is the update gents!

Best to you,

Ken

Buffalo_Ken My father was a farmer in the sense that he was born on a cotton plantation in SC around 1930. When we lived in the Mojave desert until I was about 6, we had a veggie garden. When we moved here (and I've never thought about this before but I'm sure this had to do with our yard size, which in California was unlimited for 25 miles) he shifted to having a flower garden. (And a beautiful place and time it was. That was where I first shot a rifle. I believe that we were only allowed to shoot after we were 5 or 6, for I seem to recall looking forward to that as the ultimate birthday present. Of course, it was a .22 - a Marlin .22 copy of an M1 carbine M60? I think and it's about 12 feet away from me. )

One thing I tardily learned (mainly due to my innate social cluelessness which I call being quautistic) was the then shocking news that not all kids had similar experiences to mine - here at SOTT I've learned that even more as re folks who had asshole parents etc. I knew we were blessed but never realized how much other folks might not have been so blessed.

The stories I can tell of the wise patience of my father, delivered from a position of humble and undeclared wisdom - and which was always enlightening - are countless, in situation where all other kids' parents would have at least spanked them and rightfully so,

(E.g., - naw, nevermind. I'll tell it later or to you in person. Don't forget to ask me.)

Likewise, I have beau coup stores about that including where other kids' parents spanked them but not ours. When we would fuck up, there would come the moment when we'd think, "Oh, shit! This is where Pops - or Mum - finally crosses the link and spanks me" but it never happened save one time which reinforced the lesson. Also, my little sister's spanking, in retrospect, was purely symbolic. She probably couldn't feel it and I'm not joking. Those are the actions of loving parents. Pops, I miss you.

My Mum too. None of we 4 siblings ever wondered if our parents didn't love us. Again, like how I had stupidly figured that everyone had a similar deadly dangerous experience at school from 7th through 12th grade, I also figured that other kids' parents were like mine; After all, all parents back then were regular Wards and Junes though I recognized that neither of my parents fit into that trope.

Meanwhile, the only agriculture that SWIM ever attempted did not involve things legal. Hang tough.

RC

Buffalo_Ken Watch this video on seed saving and you'll understand why the seeds you saved didn't sprout. [Link]

Artex - Hey dude....before I check it out can you tell me whether my treatment of my peppa seeds from VA was different than the way I treated the tomato seeds? Cause the tomato seeds have sprung, but the peppa ones haven't. If you link has differentiation on this, then I will check it out, but if not, I won't.

Ken

Rowan Cocoan - RC. There were 7 kids in my family and I was number 6. 4 boys and 3 girls and I know so much now how blessed we were to have the parents we did. I love my family deep down.

Thanks, Ken

Buffalo_Ken Basically, it shows you that allowing your seeds to ferment inside the fruit helps break down the outer coating that prevents germination. I believe you can accomplish the same thing by placing your seeds in the freezer over the winter, but I'm not clear on how long. The channel is a urban homesteader, iirc, who has a seed business.

Artex - Good deal so-to-speak. I will check it out. The tomato seeds went through the same "treatment" as the peppa ones from the peppa plants grown in VA and they sprouted just fine, so there is something else that kept these VA peppa seeds sprouting and I'll get more data over the years is what I am hoping.

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I'm gonna find a place to post a picture to share with you all before too long, but I'm not sure when this will be. The other thing I have learned is that I think I might be a "natural" when it comes to thinning out things. It gives me no pleasure pulling out a totally healthy plant, but the seeds really are plentiful and so there is plenty to go around and really why keep too much when it keeps the other sprouts from growing, so although it may seem random, choices need to be made as to which sprouts have a chance for future growth and which ones have fulfilled their purpose for now.

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I'll find a place to post a good picture I already have and one more I plan on taking. It will be a nice summary of this conversation that has been my pleasure to have with you all and so thank-you for that and that alone.

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Ken

Buffalo_Ken & Artex This is exactly why y'all don't want me to be in charge of horti (or agri ) culture* in our upcoming postapocalyptic future . Although I fancy myself as astute, whenever I have attempted anything in that direction, the efforts have never been worthwhile. Indeed, always been a proverbial 'black thumb' while at the same time an innately fast human or human in a hurry.

Indeed, that urgency, or its lack - patience, surely plays a role how and why some folks like me can claim 'black thumb' status when in actuality, their problem (but surely not mine ) is a lack of discipline.

Well, to all who care*, please consider this my apology for there ain't gonna be any other.

*Any such knowledge or wisdom has always abandoned me at need, and that from my empty store However, in our upcoming post apocalyptic future, if y'all ever need to sue someone, I'm your man. (Of course, Spur might be covering the place when you call. )

*Not trying to paraphase Jethro Tull.

RC

Rowan Cocoan - RC - that bird appeals to me. Nice one.

Artex - I've been thinking a bit more about what you said regarding keeping the seeds in the fruit and it makes good sense to me. I guess that is why my friend had the seeds he was saving just sitting still inside the old broken up ghost peppers. I had wondered why, but this could explain that. As for the tomato versus peppa seeds saved from VA, I do recall now removing the peppa seeds from the "momma" peppa and could be that is why they haven't sprouted. I thought we had done likewise with the tomato ones, but maybe not or it could be the tomato seeds don't need this as much as the peppas. Regardless, I suppose I'll give the peppa seeds more time to sprout because they have been in moist soil for awhile now and this ought help break down the outer coating. Time will tell, but as it is, I have more seeds than I know what to do with for this season.

One last thing I forget to mention is another plant that has sprouted is basil. I've very fond of basil and it is easy to grow - probably could just plant those seeds directly as well, but it might be worth having an indoor basil plant for indefinite use. My friend has ginormous pepper plants because I believe he keeps them in pots and after the season is over he brings those pots inside for the winter. He told me his plants (ghost peppa and tabasco) typically have a five year life-span, but man his older plants are seriously large. He gave me a smaller one to take along with the seeds and that plant he gave me is mostly happy although the shade of the leaves is a little more "yellow" tint than I care for, but it otherwise seems healthy. One other thing my friend mentioned that I though was worth note, is recently he had to take his plants outdoors again so they could shed all the mites that were falling off inside his house.

Anyhow, this is why I know this whole process is going to be so good for me from a learning perspective regardless of whether there is fruit at the end of this season. If not, I'll do better next season, but I think the probability of no fruit is very low. In fact, today I'm going to have to obtain some bigger pots because these little babies in the 72 receptacles are now getting too tall for me to place the clear plastic "greenhouse" sort of covering that does nice to keep moisture within.

Gracious......my fingers are flowing.

Spur - welcome to the conversation and please chime in if you are inclined.

Best to all - I got lots of regular work to do today, so I need to keep focused on doing that because how else will I have the funds to acquire the goods I need. I already know, I'd like to have more of these grow lights - they are impressive. Made in China of course, but I don't really care where something is made if it is well designed and built to last and frankly these sort of things just like so many other things are not made in the US of A nor in Canada I suspect these days, and I consider that a shame and something that needs to change.

One of my newer clients is actually doing just that - building electronic componentry.......I suspect his business will be lucrative because before long places like the one he is getting going (with financial support from bigger pockets of course) maybe the only way to purchase the silicon componentry that can be build even small-scale these days. It is exciting.

This may be my record for long windedness, but don't worry I can do better. My wife tells me I could "talk anybody's head off" and she tires of me doing that to her, but we are still together after more than 30 years of "bliss".......ha, ha. I don't for sure about the bliss part, but I do know both her and I love our daughters practically more than we love ourselves. We're a family been through much but through it all there has been no shortage of love.

Peace,

Ken

ps - no edits on this....it is what it is....now I got work to do.

Artex - I'm done thinning. Every plant growing now has a chance. A few of the receptacles have more than once plant growing. They look splendid. Soon I will be transferring them into larger containers and I think I might need a few more grow lights. I expect this will be the last update before I figure out a way to share some images with whoever is reading this thread.

I know it is not complicated to do this....it is just sometimes I listen to my intuition with respect to timing of things or if I don't feel like doing something. I got all my work done this week and it was a lot of work. I helped my clients do this goofy internal report that is all for show, but it doesn't mean the pressure wasn't on because you know how it goes in some of these organizations --- everybody living in their own towers and stupid ideas take on a life of their own and become detached from what matters.

Oh well. I get paid by the hour and even though my rate is presently $120 per hour what do they care if I get the job done quicker as long as I don't go over budget. So I have earned enough and will get paid in a few months for my hard work this week and then I'll take that money and reinvest it in my permaculture ambitions because I think I have enough silver for now.

Damnation I just can't believe how absurd the world has become and that is why these little sprouts help keep me grounded in what really matters.

Now, I have some guest arriving and I plan on raking in all the chips! Wish me and mine a successful gathering of long-time friends we haven't seen for far too long this evening. While I know they disagree with me on many contemporary topics, I pretty sure they know I know my stuff and I suspect they are wondering why they didn't give me head about 12 months ago. Oh well. Live and learn. It is a 2-way street and I know that.

Peace and Go Bills!

BK

Buffalo_Ken -- uh...Freudian typing slip I reckon..."why they didn't give me HEED...." ha, ha.

The only one who gets to know me that way is "mine" and I am hers.

Ken

Buffalo_Ken As your ambitions grow, you might look into faircompanies.com. There is a retired farmer in NE who grows oranges in his greenhouse without needing to supplement with a heater. "Russ Finch grows oranges in his backyard greenhouse without paying for heat" should find you the info you need. Living in a colder climate, I hope someday to have the property on which to do this. He does use geothermal, but the "cheap" version where you dig down 8 feet or so and lay pipe over a large area, and then convection keeps the air moving. In hotter climates it would also have the effect of keeping your greenhouse cool enough not to kill your plants. The documentarian Kirsten Dirkson documents novel and ancient ideas put into use for off-grid and sustainable living. Personally, I'd love to build and earth ship, but building regulations prevent it in most localities in the US except for large parts of Texas.