Overall this debate seemed like a draw, with both Trump and Hillary mainly doing "fan service" without getting into a real debate outside of their respective boxes. We had a sort of watered-down Trump trying to keep his angry unemployed people roused up without whipping them into a fervor, and Clinton recycling the same old yuppified pseudo-intellectual social equality/great society stuff that the so-called intelligentsia of the nation loves to slurp down. If you weren't already in one of these two camps, I don't see where there was anything of substance said that would sway your opinion, which is nothing new with these so-called "debates."
So anyway, here are some of the main points of the debate that stuck with me:
Trump's eye-rolling made me giggle once or twice. Trump would nod in agreement when Hillary was saying something somewhat reasonable, and then he would look at her with those squinty "get real" eyes when she started rehearsing her paramoralistic reasoning or just outright lies. While he was doing this, he would occasionally glance back at the camera with this face like, "You getting all of this?" It was probably the most entertaining aspect of the entire thing. Trump gets a point there just for making me laugh.
The economic discussion of the debate was pretty weak, which is par for the course in American 'info-tainment'. Hillary really got him on his "trumped up trickle-down" proposal. Other than some nebulous idea about taxing industries that outsource, or reintroducing some types of tariff, Trump sounded pretty much like a run-of-the-mill, red-blooded Republican on this point. Every intelligent person who is not in Hillary's camp knows that trickle-down doesn't work, and Hilary might've scored a point there. Hillary's proposal was no better, and Trump called her on NAFTA, TPP and Solyndra, but Hillary's criticism of Trump's proposal came across as more intellectually suave. Those who have really studied NAFTA and TPP might conclude that Trump was the lesser evil, but as usual, what was explained in the debate itself really had no substance.
Hillary made Trump look like a bit of an idiot on the tax return and the Birther issue. While Trump did give a clever retort that he would release his tax return when Hillary released her emails, when the moderator said "So it's open to negotiation" and Trump said "No it's not," one really has to doubt his sincerity. It just looks like two crooks giving each other the wink and nod because each knows that the other would never release their secrets willingly. Furthermore, Hillary accused his businesses of not having to pay taxes some years, and Trump basically said, "That's because I'm smart." While some of the oligarch class that he hangs out with may appreciate this sort of thinking, I don't think it helped him any with the general public. While Trump did reiterate that Hillary was a party to the whole Birther debate in her campaign against Obama, he really bungled his response on how he got into and out of it. The moderator helped Hillary here by refusing to acknowledge this and trying to change the subject several times as it transitioned into foreign policy. Once again Hillary comes across as more intellectually suave and probably scores a grubby point out of that mess.
Foreign policy has probably always been Trump's strongest point, and he did a pretty good job of discrediting Hillary by saying she had 30 years of bad experience and that she created the Middle East as it is now; if she was so competent why did she mess up every country she touched? This was difficult for Hillary to refute directly and she did make her one major slip during this segment. She accused Trump of allowing the Russians to hack the DNC and US entities because he thought so highly of Vladimir Putin. A totally unfounded and outrageous thing to say and I expected Trump to pounce on it, but he missed his chance. In his rebuttal he just said that she couldn't prove that, it could've been the Russians, but she doesn't really know. The fact that Donald Trump just let that one go with a cool dismissal suggests he was holding back for some reason, but as I stated earlier, I'm not sure exactly why. Trump gets a point there, but it could've been something of a knockout punch, at least for those who enjoy his bombastic style.
Another similar episode occurred when the moderator asked Trump why he said she was unqualified because she didn't have the presidential "look." Trump said that was wrong, that he was said stamina instead of "look." (He said "presidential look".) At any rate, I expected him to say something mildly off the wall about her fainting in NYC because it was such easy low-hanging fruit to pluck, but he steered clear. Hillary was able to parry with some nonsense about being a woman presidential nominee and all of the diplomatic negotiations she attended around the world and Trump ended up looking a bit dumb.
The final question about accepting the results of the election to me was clearly a loaded question designed by the moderator to ensnare Trump. If Trump says yes, he looks like he is rolling back on his "maverick" status and accepting subservience to the status quo. If he says no, the MSM can easily paint him as some type of dictator or Hitler who will do anything to get power no matter what (like Hillary). What he should've said is something like, "As you know, I have some concern about the integrity of the voting machines, as I have discussed in the past, however I will accept and answer to the will of the American people." Instead, as often happens with him, his massive ego gets in the way and he tries to sidestep the question by prattling on about how he's going to make America great again. It seems to me that he wants to say no, but ends up saying yes to save face, because he realizes too late that the moderator is trying to set him up, but isn't quite smart enough to know how to deal with it. He ends up falling into the trap, but only partially. Instead of the mousetrap snapping his head off, only his tail is caught in it for the time being.
In analyzing this debate, it is clear that Hillary has a lot slicker presentation than Trump. Her "30 years of bad experience", as Trump puts it, have cemented her skills as a professional liar, and if you are just following along on a superficial level, she seems more intelligent and capable. The moderator clearly designed the debate to showcase that. So I would agree with some MSM commentators that Hillary won on that level, but she's so evil, that even there she didn't win by much. Other than that, anyone who has done any objective background research on the issues know that Hillary is a liar and relies solely on redirection and obfuscation to hide some pretty serious skeletons in her closet. Trump by his very nature as a businessman, whether he is a good one or not, and has to deal with the "real world" to some degree, whereas Hillary is thoroughly ensconced in her politically-correct, psychopathic 'bubble reality'. A lot of people who have to deal with the real world recognize this and it's really hard for Trump to lose on substance even if he lacks substance, because Hillary is pretty much a total phantasm. It's easy for Trump to hold on to that base, but he could do a lot better if he wasn't as dumb.
Bottom Line: This is a little like a bastardized American version of Perseus going after Medusa. You have a puffed up arrogant hero of average intelligence going up against a conniving serpent who is moderately senile. Who is going to win? And what is Perseus going to do if/when he gets Medusa's head and comes back to rule the kingdom? It sounds like this version is going to be more tragic than the original.
On a related subject, I've come to the conclusion that, in a twisted sort of way, Killary is right about making this election all about Putin. Green Party candidate Jill Stein is fun to talk about, as she is the only sane one of the bunch, but she doesn't stand a chance because she is practically a nonentity thanks to the media ignoring her. With Killary, Putin pretty much knows what's going to happen: her course cannot be averted, and war will be escalated. She is a total psychopath with a thirst for blood.
From Putin's perspective, there might be a window with Trump. If he is truly the all-American businessman who may not be a complete psychopath but really only cares about his bottom line, perhaps Putin can use that to his advantage. If he can propose to Trump a few lucrative deals in Russia and friendly countries to fatten his wallet, perhaps he can convince him that running interference with NATO and the Pentagon would be in his best interest. Then Putin can set Trump up as some kind of great diplomat who is saving the world and invite him to all sorts of prestigious conferences to feed his narcissism when the truth is that Trump is doing it just to line his own pockets. Due to Trump's instability and somewhat idiotic character, this is unlikely to last long; the M-IC will either strong-arm him with promises of even greater riches or have him assassinated, but if it buys Putin more time to fortify his defenses, it would reduce Russian casualties in the inevitable confrontation.
I suppose that it is possible that if Trump were sufficiently deferential to Putin and followed his orders closely, Putin could protect him to a degree and use him as a tool to gradually defang the Neocon warhawks, whom he knows are his real enemy. Killary's worst nightmare of the evil Ruskies coming to take over America would be coming true, except the Russians would not be interested in conquering the country, but removing her and her psychopathic compatriots from the reigns of American power for a long time. Ideally Putin and Trump could stage something of a palace coup and make them irrelevant without firing a single shot by presenting "revelations" to the American people about what they really do, which would change their perceptions of the system. It is an existential threat to Clinton if Putin can "take over" Trump, which is why she so maniacally flips out about it every chance she gets.
It's quite the long shot, but it would be worth it from Putin's perspective as a way to potentially avoid WWIII. This will estrange Trump from some of the elites who do support him at the moment so I don't think it will work, or it will only be allowed to go so far, but I think this is more or less the scenario that worries a lot of the 'deep state' folks; that maybe Trump can be "turned to the light." Maybe, then, Putin is playing the role of Perseus and Trump is more like the shield...
Onwards to Round 2...
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Popular Radio Host Michael Savage Broadcast Shut Down Nationwide as He Discusses Clinton’s Health…
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By wmw_admin on September 27, 2016
By Sundance — The Last Refuge Sept 26, 2016
michael-savage-1Wow. This is quite remarkable.
Michael Savage is a very well known radio talk personality. The Savage Nation is a nationally syndicated talk show that is the second most listened-to radio talk show in the country with an audience of over 20 million listeners on 400 stations across the United States.
Earlier today he was discussing his perspectives on the presidential debate and giving examples of current and anticipated debate bias.
In addition, the broadcaster began discussing Hillary Clinton’s mysterious health condition that Savage believes might be Parkinsons.
Almost immediately, and without any notification, New York (tri-state area) radio station WABC-Radio TV cut Savage off the air and replaced him with the lesser rated Curtis And Cooby Show.
I'VE BEEN SABOTAGED ON AIR. TO DESTROY SUPPORT FOR TRUMP. MORE LATER
— Michael Savage (@ASavageNation) September 26, 2016
Shortly thereafter, as Michael Savage discovered the issue and began discussing what was going on in/around the New York broadcast area, all Savage affiliates nationwide cut off the broadcast and replaced the live transmission with a recording of a previous show.
Here’s a recording of the 2nd hour broadcast today that explains what was going on, as it was going on in real time, and as Savage began finding out what was happening. The explanation culminates best around the 23:00 point of this audio.
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Both candidates are out of touch.
Whilst Trump brags of earning sums that most people cant even comprehend, Clinton appears as the capable secretary with a track record of incompetence and war and talks about things she should have been doing for years. Now they both discuss working harder and harder and pumping and pumping an already overstretched GDP. In nature people breathe in and out; continuous GDP growth is unnatural. Too much hard work leaves no time for living. Too much money is unnecessary.
Surely the most important topic of conversation for any candidate is how to prepare our youth for the potential of tomorrow?
If Mrs C is POTUS, there will be no future IMHO. If there is a future under Trump, machines will be capable of performing most functions. Where does that leave the future of human employment? We need to invent new human ways of living for the next generation.
Have we completely lost our ability to perceive and analyse logical trends?
You watched that? Why? You couldn't schedule a root canal or something more useful?
Will it be more of the same. I suspect it will be, even if the Donald manages to get elected. As some pundits have stated, he has no political history, he has no finesse in diplomatic circles. All he knows is how to manipulate the media and how to get the best deal that will benefit and serve his interests.
It is a big deal. Why, if nothing more than the decisions (and I use that term loosely) have an impact on the world in which we live now. But seems to me there a stirrings of dissent, not only in the US but also in Europe and elsewhere. The old order of white Anglo Saxon domination has been given a challenge.
So long they have lived in there Ivory Towers. where nothing can touch them, where it has been a case of the false perception of right and privilege, or its the ability of money to buy off anybody and everything on the planet.
In reality it's just another tool that can be used for good or evil. Buyer beware, I say.
The thing that really get's me at this time, the world at large has been given a unique opportunity to make it's voice know, large or small, it may mean great suffering, but if enough voices are heard, forget the political distractions
They are nothing more than to quell the voice of a world that is in union, has the eyes to see, hears the same, thinks the same and is willing to make a stand. For there future and the future of there children.
And if that this did happen by chance, what a world we could create, the mind boggles.
Ah! Just woke from a dream, now back to reality.
Killary is a very polished pathological liar who lives in something of a solipsistic bubble who loves to make people suffer for her own aggrandizement. She is always so calm, calm , cool, collected...and so evil. She is above the law and does whatever she wants. If someone could bring her down a bit and make her writhe around by bursting her bubble with a horribly politically incorrect comment with a twist of truth, I would literally pay to watch it for my own amusement. And that's all I'm really hoping for out of this-amusement. Trump seems like someone who could do this, someone within her sphere of influence which could cause her to have a meltdown for all to laugh at. Trump didn't deliver, but there's still two more to go. One can hope.
When Nero comes out to play his fiddle as Rome burns and your body is incinerated, do you want to go out listening to some robotic psychobitch preaching empty platitudes and snickering at your suffering, or do you want the idiot stooge with the horribly inappropriate sense of humor who may nonetheless make you laugh. Since the US is doomed to be the dead city on the hill anyway, I'd rather die with a smile on my face, so vote for Trump!
Yes, I'm kidding, but that is kind of how I look at it. It is sad that I can only see something as serious as the POTUS as a source of my personal amusement, but the circus has gotten so absurd that is the only way to look at it that keeps me sane. I am also closely watching the ability of Trump to be unconsciously used as a force for good. While I don't really believe he has it in him to buddy up with Putin and fix the US, I'm hoping he will drop a few "truth bombs" on our way down the toilet bowl that will upset the house of lies the American establishment is built on enough to help some people see how farcical the American narrative in the world has really become.
I don't like Trump and won't vote for him, but since he is the only one who has a legitimate chance of beating Hillary, I'm hoping he is enough of a loose cannon to really screw things up good.
Trump is not a stupid man.
He has a strategy to really shake up the system and poke fun at all the inconsistencies and extremes (IMHO). I think he is playing a game of entrapment; aka political Chess.
Like a very clever prosecuting lawyer he is acting the part of the unpolished bumbling fool on purpose; getting Mrs C to admit to various things only to throw her own words and deeds back at her. Soon Mrs C will become stuck by her own strategy. He has plenty of incriminating evidence in his little black book. It is like a real life game of political chess. Soon Mrs C will become stuck; check mate!
Witness Trump's property empire which is all over the US and the world. Look what he has developed. There is nothing unpolished about his constructions or golf courses; on the contrary, they scream of order, organisation and fun.
(Although, according to classical theories, his towers interfere with the flow of wind which bashes into the walls, cant move round corners and so vortices develop.)
Ladies, watch out. Be gentle to your men; now more than ever.
What stuck me the most was how 'mechanical' or 'robotic' she seemed to be, and not just in comparison to the much more animated Trumpster.