MindMatters: Navigating The Chaos

Two great Dr.'s helping people navigate through the chaos to safer shoals, Dr. Kaufman and Dr. Cowan gave a talk to a large gathering of folk in upstate NY on a recent weekend...'Full-Day Workshop with Dr. Thomas Cowan and Dr. Andrew Kaufman: Introductory Comments Published'...[Link]

I was hoping to hear more thoughts about balancing the need to set our own boundaries and the need to respect other people's process. As this international situation goes forward, fueled as it is with unprecedented levels of machiavellian prerogatives and monetary resources, it is necessarily going to become ever more intrusive, controlling, and ideologically toxic. The wish to leave others free to conduct their lives as they see fit is good and admirable, and must be done if we're to have any kind of beneficial role in life. The wish to set personal boundaries and disallow things that we deem harmful from entering our lives, and to protect others - especially children - from those impacts, is also good and admirable. What if those two very good and admirable impulses are on a crash course? What if Adam's potential confrontation with his family next month isn't about not getting to celebrate Thanksgiving, but rather about not being welcome at his ailing mother's residence or being unable to work unless he gets a vaccination? Accepting what one cannot change and setting boundaries are designed to be in conflict. That's baked into the pie. That's the part of the psyop that is designed to wear people down, to get them to erase their boundaries in order to avoid conflict. We can be nice and philosophical as hell, and strive for a 30,000 ft view of everything, but at some point the problem boils down to a simple matter of someone else's right to control us vs our right not to be controlled. What then are we to do?

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What to do?

I would say count your lucky stars.

There should be a lot of them.

Out there.

ned

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Jesus Christ is the only answer. We all die. This is only theatre.

I think a good way to understand the human mind in relation to standing between order vs chaos as translated into fascism vs decadence as Jordan Peterson infers - is in the way the human mind views its societal groups one way, as 'zooming out', and how it views interaction with people as individuals the other way, as 'zooming in', is to consider these seemingly contrasting perceptions are made an actuality comes out of "Fallacy of Composition" vs "Fallacy of Division".

A really good show, thanks!

Hello again, Jordan Peterson has a brilliant mind. I have only read some articles and watched MSM interviewers try to Frame himunsuccessfully in different ways, like as a misogynist. It is interesting his book is called Maps of Meaning. It reminds me that neuro linguistic programming uses the idea that belief systems are a person’s map of reality. In other words, beliefs are the filter of experience, they lead to affirmation or denial.

Gurdjieff had an unfavorable view of the consciousness of the mass of humanity. He said “Machines they are born, machines they die.” However, when asked, he said the Fourth Way was esoteric Christianity. Christ had a similar view of humanity, but without judgment, when he said “Father forgive them, for they know not what they do.” I think Christ had the more conscious attitude, but both are true spiritual teachers.

Your discussion was different for me than others of yours, because you include an emotional element in the discussion. Seeing family or friends swayed by beliefs is difficult. In Derrick Broze’s short video called Darkest Winter, he presents the idea that we should focus on making sure family and friends are safe and have supplies, because the chaos that the Transition Integrity Project war gamed out, will be coming.

What can we do? There was a study of 8th graders, where the experimental group was taught how advertising works to manipulate them to eat McDonalds food. The control group wasn’t. The results showed that those who saw the manipulation, responded and worked to not be manipulated. No one wants to be “played”. One approach then is to show how manipulation works. From personal experience this worked for me.

As you pointed out, we definitely have to work on our own consciousness, to keep balance and not identify. Rupert Sheldrake has the theory of the morphogenetic field, that there is a field of information that we all are connected to. When we raise our consciousness individually, we affect this M-field, and in so doing we affect the consciousness of other people. This means that working on waking yourself, helps to awaken others. It does appear to me that more people are waking up.

Walt Whitman, in his Song of Myself, “Both in and out of the game and watching and wondering at it …” David

The first thing that struck me when I bought the French publication of Naomi Klein's book The Shock Doctrine was the publisher's name and logo. Babel - a little tower of Babel on the cover and 9 little towers on the middle in the form of a pyramid.

I don't think she has gone astray, I think that she and Michael Parenti and possibly even John Pilger have always been Marxist. They have all played a vital role denouncing the evils of Colonialism, Imperialism and Disaster Capitalism. But have never exposed what is hidden behind these big words. Never rolled back the onion skin to reveal the top Banking Families and Aristocrats that now own most of the resources on the planet.

America is usually accused of the most crimes which is a bit disingenuous as this is the Anglo-American Empire we are up against and that encompasses the UK/France/Germany/The Netherlands/Italy and all NATO.

What to do ? If only I knew!

as current events and crazy people continue to spiral downhill with ever greater frequency and intensity, we find ourselves challenged not to react or respond in ways that are detrimental to ourselves and those around us. from both within and without each of us faces the choices of what to believe, how to feel - and what the appropriate responses to life could and should be. will we fall prey to the adversary's thinking and control, or will we follow the archetype of individuation, growth and the path of the hero?

hmm. pretty much sounds like what has been the norm most of the time -most of the time.

did those old farts really find a way to break loose from those conditions or did they just whine in a new and better way?

Whatever I have most faith In is what will govern my thoughts and actions. It used to be my own ability to get through any situation and I now realise that was very self reliant. And it was the goal of the self to feel comfortable and avoid pain so that was my guiding force - a very selfish motivation.

The more faith I have in God the more my motivation comes from doing what is right and being prepared for the fallout of ridicule humiliation and rejection. The only comfort comes from knowing I have done the right thing while having the discomfort to work through.

hmm. is this episode about navigating chaos from an intellectual perspective?

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Thank you for your work.

In thinking about Jordan Peterson, I realized that examining the interviews with MSM, one can examine what Jordan was able to do to prevent MSM framing. MSM uses phrases with MSM definition and context, as well as emotional energy attacks to misdirect, unbalance, and confuse the interviewee. It didn’t work on Jordan. Why not?

If Jordan has an emotional response to the interviewer, he separates from it, so he is not put into a defensive posture, nor is he knocked off balance. This allows him to work predominately from his mind. Furthermore, he does not allow the MSM interviewer to define the terms and context, i.e. to Frame it; Jordan defines the meaning and context of words and phrases. As I mentioned, neuro linguistic programming works on defining the meaning and context to manipulate. Because Jordan does not allow that, he successfully refutes the MSM interviewer, and makes them look foolish. This points to the importance of words and phrases in formulating thought, and insuring that you are in control of the context and meaning of what you say. One example from MSM vaccine propaganda, “all vaccines are safe and effective”. David

Peterson distills stuff well. We're dealing with the duality of life/soul, Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs, et al.

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Sorry re Thanksgiving canceled "because Covid" - same here, same reaction that I bit my tongue on.

Excellent analogy of Cold War and Colvid War.

RC

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