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"Scotland has contributed MORE revenue than it received back." says Joe. There's the word: Contributed. That doesn't translate to pure profit, son. It contributes towards a public sector infrastructure paid for by "London money."What has "profit" got to do with it? Scotland as a separate nation is financially viable in our modern globalized financial system. And I'm not your son.
Martin Harris " I'm not your son" Thank goodness for thatTouchรฉ, very funny, you should be on stage. There can be no "separate nations" in a globalized system. What there can be, is relative independence from toffey-nosed tosspots in Whitehall.
Scotland can either be a "separate nation" or part of a "globalized system", can't have it both ways...?
Tha first major obstacle to Scottish independence is that 1 in 4 workers in Scotland are employed in the public sector, and that's all paid for with London money, honey. Scotland is on its uppers, is a financial drain on The English and is in no position to qualify for EU membership. Then again, what kind of independence wid ye call that anyway? (ye wee baw bag).That's what you'd like to think, or what some Conservative 'think tank' said. The stats say that on average over the last 20 years, Scotland has contributed MORE revenue than it received back. That's more than enough to go Indy on. I'm sure you've seen in a movie somewhere: the man telling the woman or child that "you'll be no good on your own, you'll DIE without me". Yeah, sure, thanks for the memories nutso, see ya later!
"you'll be no good on your own, you'll DIE without me".Scotland and England are joined at the neck, just in case you hadn't noticed.
Scotland and England are joined at the neck, just in case you hadn't noticed.So are Germany and Denmark. Oh yeah, and Ireland and Northern Ireland. Or are you subtly implying that Scotland is "ours".
Anyways, "Scotland is on its uppers," .. does that mean it lost its lower denture plate? Is popping speed?RC
"Then again, what kind of independence wid ye call that anyway? ( ye wee baw bag). " Say wha????
so to me it's all the same lump o' rock.Yep, same here.
to me it's all the same lump o' rock.When you go over the border into Scotland, you definitely feel like you're in Scotland, but it's no more radical an atmosphere shift than when you go over the border into Yorkshire, or when you go over the border into Somerset or North Wales. This is a very small island where geomagnetic atmosphere shifts are quite pronounced. That is perhaps a contributory factor as to why people from Liverpool are culturally very different from people who live in Manchester, who are again very different from people who come from Leeds or Newcastle, despite the fact that these places are all more or less a hop, skip, and a jump away from each other. This kind of thing is very difficult to explain to an American, who can drive for hours and hours in his homeland and in comparison, there will be very little deviation as regards landscapes, culture, people, accents, etc.
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Anyone who listened to SOTT Talk Radio back in the old times would not necessarily be in a great hurry to make you number one go-to for objectivity on these sorts of subjects. If you wanted to make it "Wee Jimmy Krankie Day" every day of the week on SOTT for the next two years it wouldn't surprise me. Neither would it surprise me if the net effect was as negligible as "Che Guevara Day" or "Fidel Castro Day" that preceded it.What sort of subjects? Back in the "old times" we were anti-war and anti-warmongers. We still are. We also insisted that politicians lie, a lot. We still do. The reason is that it is true. Old times, new times, some things never change when it comes to human nature. And we haven't been wrong often on that score. You, and so many others, seem to have fallen for the divide and conquer routine. There is nothing wrong with "left" politics, just as there is nothing wrong with "right" politics. The problem is extremist approaches to both. If the left goes to an extreme, it makes no sense to flee into the arms of the right. In such times, no one likes the middle ground, or those that hold it. Everyone "has to pick a side". Anyone who tells you to pick a side, or admonishes you for not doing so, should be recognized for the dufus they are.
The problem is extremist approaches to both. If the left goes to an extreme, it makes no sense to flee into the arms of the right.Well, as much as I'd agree with that, from another perspective, on both sides of the border the election results could perhaps be seen as something of a bit of a grounding exercise as per "land".
as something of a bit of a grounding exercise as per "land".** or an attempt at ame.
I wasn't referring to that, or referring to the collective. I was talking about your "The English" mote.Mote? Anyway, I'm still of the opinion that there's something about "the English" the predisposes them to a particularly obnoxious type of arrogance.
on both sides of the border the election results could perhaps be seen as something of a bit of a grounding exercise as per "land".You'll have to be more explicit in what you're getting at.
Che Guevara, like many others, was a symbol of an idea. Criticizing the person misses the point. Critique the idea.Would you grant the same to Winston Churchill?
it's complex. LOL.There isn't much that isn't! In the domain of human affairs, the problem seems to be that people generally don't really know what they're doing. The best you can say is that at different times, individuals are to one extent or another under the influence of one or other of two general qualities of 'inspiration'. In short, they're all tools! (some in both meanings of the word).
Comment: RT adds Actually, there were some serious questions around the the vote, with many reports of irregularities. Ms. Sturgeon may well be right in her call for another referendum.