Yale's Two Climate Bombs Point to Impending Ice Age

When I was a junior or senior in HS ('95 or '96), I did a paper on global warming. Hilariously, I cannot remember how I did my research since I lived in a rural town in the midwest and did not have internet at home. Maybe the schools was adequate. Like I said, can't remember that part. What I do remember is that everything I read pointed to the types of pollution we emit more often is sulfur dioxide, rather than carbon dioxide. What SO2 does is create clouds and acid rain. By the end of my paper and research I believed we were heading for global cooling rather than warming. I dismissed my findings later on as "I was just a kid, what do I know?" But it keeps coming back to this. All evidence points to a pendulum effect which always ends in an ice age.

So while climate change "is a thing," our effect on it and what will ultimately happen if we try to do something about it (or don't) are still not well-understood.

Artex Ironically, since about eighties (or a decade later or further, depending on the country) most countries emit much less SO2. So even increase in China still is too small to make up for the "loss", and humanity emits less than it was before. The effect is, that the countries most affected by it had to increase fertilisation with sulphur.

Before peak, amount of sulphur compounds in atmosphere of polluting countries was often enough to prevent necessity of fertilisation, the farmland was fertilised for free. After, the fertilisation (quite costly) is required to maintain production. So pollutant for one may be an important nutrient for someone else (sulphur is a macronutrient for plants).

It is also possible that lowered amount of SO2 slightly offsets the global cooling processes.

Herbsman I must have missed something when I read the hot bomb above. warming going into a positive feedback loop is going to cause...an Ice age? Cold bomb of the Beaufort Gyre an unconvincing argument if that is the best argument for cooling as it could go many different routes depending on how the strange wind patterns currently unfold. So its cooling because the arctic is melting so fast??? strange argument so yes you seem to be a climate change denier and maybe the rapid change is all a dream? The accelerating collapse of Greenland ice is probably significant in the increasing fresh water in the Gyre so once again we are told the record melting is a sign of an Ice age.

Herbsman Fine, but retort with calling them mind controlled gullible fools. At least you know you're absolutely correct on that account.

baron No argument here, just name calling. You give your weak position away too easily and project your stupidity on others. Do some research and dont let the Koch brothers pull your strings. Climate change is happening and accelerating off in many directions. For example if you define extreme rainfall as 1 meter in 24 hours in the last 30 years the incidents have gone up by a factor of 6....thats change whether you believe in cooling or warming. The real question is why is it changing so fast and thats the interesting bit and most have little idea the answer to this key question but you got to ask the hard questions to make progress or you will get stuck in some dead end echo chamber of no learning and increasing risk of Alzheimers disease.

Treehugger Nobody who is measuring is saying that the icecap is melting now, it was, a bit. It´s that the strange winds, the polar vortex, caused by meandering of the jet stream, takes some of the cold from the pole, to temperate latitudes. And takes some precipitation to the pole, to freeze there. The meandering is caused by the collapse of the current from the sun trough the planets, and thus the magnetic fields. The same collapse makes for a increase of cosmic hard radiation, which makes more clouds.

cope2 I understand about unusual winds for the last few years and many theorys as to why but I find most are unsatisfactory as they didnt predict it many years ago. It could have a component influence from the sun but the sun crowd have been waiting for this sun cycle and predicting dramatic things when its just a normal cycle of limited influence and obviously as average temperatures continue upward as well as major climate change in terms of increasing extreme events which include more record cold events, hot events, rain events and drought events and more. Its easy to predict that even in the low point of 2019 for the suncycle all these trends will continue as these people dont understand why we have got climate warming and climate change and shocked by the truth.

The cooling crowd have been wrong for decades and now its show time and I predict nothing will happen again because they dont understand much about climate. They have got so desperate now they need a collapse of the magnetic field or a super volcano or asteroid strike to get their long predicted cooling. All are possible but highly unlikely and last magnetic flip was 780,000 years ago so unlikely even in the next 1000 years. Yellowstone maybe once in 400,000 years so again not likely to save these fools from their wrong model.

The increase in cosmic rays is correct as expected from the sun cycle but so far the clouds have not increased, in fact indications are to the contrary so again why is this not happening? A good theory makes good predictions but when a theory is so wrong time to ask the hard questions.

Treehugger You really need to look into the evidence provided against infinite global warming. It does exist, regardless what mainstream media tries to force on you.

The Beaufort gyre has stalled and is collecting an insane amount of fresh water. The arctic is warming, just like it did during the other Grand Solar Minimums, which creates cold fronts to pummel the northern hemisphere and create an albedo effect, added to that is the fact Galactic cosmic rays entering our ionisphere is increasing, which in turn creates more cloud cover adding to the albedo effect.

When that gyre releases, the oceans will freeze in the northern hemisphere, the climate will swing to storms, rain, snow and COLD. An Ice age. This is part of a cyclic pattern paeloclimatologists have seen and documented over thousands of years.

Modern climate scientists use data 1880 onwards and do NOT use past data... The interglacial period is now ending, the warm is ending and their nothing we can do about it.

Climate change is real and their is fuck all we can do about it. C02 is a red herring to distract you from the fact that toxic pollution through industry and plastics is the problem that will kill us all.

Herbsman If the Beaufort Gyre does stall it could indeed lead to a cold flush and record cold events in some places for a few years even but wont change the global trend of warming. In the little Ice age average temperatures did cool and worked out as minus 0.2 to 0.4 for the whole world but is not happening the same this time around, so a strange Little ice age ahead of increased warming with Greenland continuing to overall melt faster and faster(Check GRACE data to see the trend). I agree CO2 a minor problem and not the reason for climate change and toxic pollution especially heavy metals and plastics is a terrible problem and partially explains why biodiversity is beginning to collapse at an accelerating rate. Climate change is certainly real however but no sign of cooling yet even with natural cycles into strong cooling already, quite the contrary its accelerating away upwards like an exponential curve. ASk why and then a light may go on or you'll keep predicting cooling forever and die of heat exhaustion!

Treehugger The predictions have been wrong so often. True. One professor who is almost always right when predicting is Piers Corbyn, his site: [Link] . The best site with a lot of graphs and broad info is WUWT, [Link]

Treehugger No, no...no.... Think for yourself because everything I'm scribbling here right now I verified myself independently without anyone or anything guiding me other than my own knowledge of planetary history. If you want to know truth then you have to do it on your own like I have. Those two psychopaths and their communist agenda's are about the last thing I would be following. It just happens that what is happening fits with their own uninformed agenda, a couple of dangerous screwballs we all would be better off without. So I get where you think I might be swallowing down their BS, but that's not the issue. Please read and then do your own work.

Of course global warming is happening. The issue is why? Astronomical positional references to the galactic core and our planetary solar systems current position relative to it, because we move ya know, in orbit around the galactic core, and supported by the fact that our solar system is in a so called chimney puts our planetary system inside a dynamic and somewhat dangerous position, which may be noted by a sustained and increased number of bolides and other energies from space, and which have dramatically affected the Earth electromagneto state, leading to a breakdown of Earths' normal magnetic fields.

Answers are not to be found in whatever sources you may be using currently. The reality is that they are not telling you the truth because it would lead to the collapse of civilization before the powers that be are prepared for what is to come.

Humans are not capable of creating the conditions that lead to entire basins of the oceanic floors becoming red hot with molten lava as photographed by aircraft and satellites but posted as "mysterious undersea lights." Polar ice flows do not melt 5 miles deep because warm water seeps down to from 1 to 5 miles deep of polar ice from the surface, as was one absurd explanation I read, besides which it's a diversionary debate all round because there's a reason, don't ya realize, that the powers that be sent Voyager 1 and Voyager II into deep space. One of which is the first machine to ever leave the heliosphere of our Stars' protective envelope. Our entire solar system moves in six different directions at one time, orbits included here, with a combined velocity exceeding one half million miles per hour. Any object which leaves our stars heliosphere is lost forever with no hope of ever finding that vehicle again. Now why do you suppose this was all done? Ancient, ancient, known records tell us that our planetary system passes a galactic crossing point where after radical changes begin, and we have these bits of information which undoubted come down to us from civiliations whom recorded some of this in stone in the hope that parts of it would be make their way to our time and most of which is encoded in religious icons, where the best hope of survival lies.

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Planetary history shows that all ice ages are preceded by dramatic rises in global temps just before crashing, nearly vertically on graphs, into ice ages lasting tens of thousands of years. You're going to have dig to find this truth, OK? It's not like they want you knowing the truth. Truth is that genetic records say that at one point the human species came very close to extinction with less than 1,000 individuals surviving, and possibly only as few as 100 humans left alive. Now how do you think that happened?

Global temps are expected to continue rising between a current and evident mini-ice age which is starting now. After which geologic records show that a possible dramatic rise will once more take hold for between 30 to 50 years before going vertical into ice, which will ten last between 40 and 80 thousand years. Over 80% of Earth history is in pure ice ages. Not cold but ice. This has nothing to do with what humans are doing. Just think for yourself OK?

Treehugger Climate change is real yes, we've all said that. It is infinite warming that is not.

Greenland is GAINING ice the real data, not the media manipulated data, is showing that. The recent media frenzy that the arctic is far above normal temprature was a flat out lie! only one day where temps were recorded at 1c. The rest were in the minus figures.

You cannot rely on mainstream media and career climate scientists any more. They are lying, why? I do not know. However every fucking data mechinism they use is altered, their models are flawed and they surpress paeloclimatology.

There are signs of cooling everywhere. Have you not seen the northern hempishere currently been covered in depths of snow... way into march... oh the media rarely reports it.

cope2 Piers is a smart person and I have encountered his predictons often but his long term record is poor. He is correctly using Jet stream maps for shorter term and working well but hes only just got onto this. Sadly as his long term predictions have failed hes turned to claiming its all hoax data which I find sad as theres enough good data out there if you look even if some is dubious. His model for long term is wrong as he fails to recognize some key effects, which is the reason of course for his calling it cooler for a while now and I easily predict it will get worse for him when temperatures accelerate faster up through the sunspot cycle. Married to his position has caused blindness to creep in, next its frustration then desperation later on. Must keep a flexible view and open mind key in climate or you come unstuck fast.

Treehugger And Piers is a funny, nutty professor. You said there is no evidence for increasing cloudcover/albedo. I have not seen anything about that. Cloudcover should already be on the rise with the increase of acid and dust from volcanoes. SuspObs say with increase of cosmic rays (they let up balloons monthly), lava gets more viscous, or maybe bubbly, so there is a positive connection there. The dust loading, also from meteors, increases the amount of charge the atmosphere can contain, which increases intensity of storms and hailsize.

Another thing we do not talk much about is that the sun is discharging. We have seen only a couple of sunspots in the last 3 months. This could have its ground in a brown dwarf approaching. If that is true we are in deep shit.

baron I agree the planet has mainly been covered by ice for most of its history but that allowed life to begin and my research into the ancient ice ages was one of my breakthrough moments when it all fell into place and many great paradoxs here to puzzle on for months. Very high CO2 was when it was cold and low CO2 was often warm so I frustrated alot of warmers in the CO2 camp.

Once you understand the ancient ice ages the modern ice ages are easy of course but its also the end of this cycle unless we understand why its getting hot and a solution is possible. Paradoxically we need to continue the Ice age cycle to become interstellar but its unlikely to unfold.

cope2 Indeed almost everyone keeps predicting more cloud cover especially the warmers but clouds are an interesting part of climate change and very complex I might add and I could write pages about it. What is not often realised is its where the clouds form(low of high altitude) and what type and thats important but most fail to understand why cloud cover is declining and its actually incredibly obvious when the light goes on!. Sometimes clouds increase temperatures and sometimes they decrease it, its not simple but we can start from the top and work down. Theres alot of bullshit out there and wrong assumptions and thats why climate is so interesting. Another classic is that volcanos always cause cooling. Usually they do but sometimes they do not but again I could write pages about this and they are key climate changers so the important bits are best well understood or nonsense comes out. Further I predict for many decades yet overall cloud cover will decrease and this effect will also add to climate warming and probably the 3rd most important warming cause with CO2 about 4th at best. I have been expecting a small short term bump up in clouds like most with the solar minimum and even I am surprised whats unfolding. I also expected a small climate cooling lasting 3 to 4 years into the solar minimum and then a real jump after 2020 but again its hard to predict cooling anytime and be right. Its 2 years since the top, lets see if my short term prediction is correct and I can get to 4 years of cooling?????

Treehugger I guess you missed that part about where the cold water goes? and the cosmic rays? and the volcanic activity increasing cloud cover?

Treehugger Lower clouds warm and high clouds cool. My impression is those periods with no sun and total cover are increasing.

win 52 agree wrong solution from the wrong diagnosis but climate change and climate warming are both real. Carbon taxes will accelerate climate warming and hit the economy hard and be a money earner for the banks!

sakura999 Apparently, we Dutch were quite capable to adapt to and take advantage of the Little Ice Age:

sakura999 Ice ages are normal events and easily survivable and in the past have lead to increased biodiversity as well including the beginning of the human race. Ice ages are good but sadly that cycle has gone maybe forever. The real danger is that we break up to a new equilibrium temperature range if the ice goes. Best guess is we wont stop until about 120 degrees Celsius and all life is cooked, thats what I'd be more worried about. Hawkings thought it could be as high as 200 degrees Celsius and all life cooked inside 500 years.Iin 2000 I bet with my cooler friends it would go up 4 degrees this century but so far I've been wrong and its going up faster and maybe now 7 degrees may work out better, but then many nasty feedback loops kick in and we really go fast. CO2 has little to do with warming as yet so carbon taxes are completely dumb so most warmers living in cuckoo land as they think we can stop the temperature from running by controlling CO2 with taxes etc. Our only chance is to understand why climate change is happening and then to solve it else we will be cooked lobsters. Denying its happening is a desperate position and 2019 or 2030 will continue to get hotter sadly.

Treehugger No one is denying climate change. It is the myth of infinite warming and C02 being the cause of it which is utterly insane.

The Grand Solar Minimum is on our door step. An uptick in volcanoes will cool our planet. Our magnetosphere is weaking allowing more galactic rays into our atmoshphere, creating more cloud cover. The over inflated beaufort gyre is about to release which will freeze the oceans in the northen hemisphere.

Those 3 alone create an Ice Age. Human effect on the globe is minimal at best, the planet is NOT going to cook.

I'd also like to point out our planet was 4 degrees hotter than it is now a couple of thousand years ago, and all life didn't perish. It is a cycle and the cycle has not been broken by humans.

You really need to start watching the youtube channels Suspicious0bservors and Adapt 2030. They provided with evidence backed with links so you can come to the consensus yourself.

After a month of research into it, you will abandon the infinite warming nonsense yourself.

C02 is a red herring to distract you away from the real problem, toxic pollution caused by industry to fuel rampant consumerism.

Herbsman obviously its not infinite but the worlds average temperature will trend depending on energy in minus energy out equation. As the sun goes towards a red giant the overall trend is obviously up to over 1000 degrees eventually in about 3 to 4 billion years. Adapt 2030 a terrible one eyed site best avoided and clearly geared to parting fools from their money and common sense and riddled with misinformation and data they must know is wrong and I often find myself debunking stuff sent to me from this source by confused friends. The ice age is not coming and if we fail to stop the current breakout the planet will cook. The planet was not 4 degrees warmer just 2 thousand years ago, thats nonsense(adapt 2030 again??)!. The intra glacial warm peak was about 5000 years ago and probably about the same as now but we sure got a head of steam here and up we go at a faster rate. My guess is that currently the increase in CO2 from 280 ppm has added about 0.1 to 0.2 degrees of warming so should be getting trumped by natural cycles but its not, so back to asking why is the current situation different. I've been predicting temperatures/extremes for over 40 years and current still exactly correct..its a slow exponential curve going up but many years ago I didnt understand why but was always suspicious of the CO2 story. Most warmers have predicted more clouds and rain as temperatures increase, especially 30-40 years ago, I've been predicting the opposite and been correct and easy to predict in the future clouds and overall rainfall will diminish for a few decades yet and the great deserts will continue to grow bigger. Extreme rain events however will continue to increase so climate is full of wonderfull paradoxs that help us understand the problem correctly when we chew on them and arrive at the moment of understanding and suddenly predictions are easy and correct. I've got cooler friends that argued with me in 1990. Some still say it will get cooler and hanging their hats on 2019 and 2030, magnetic collapses, supervolcanos, asteroid strike and other unlikely things but I sense a bit of desperation as my predictions continue on track. The smart ones have seen the light and the real dangers ahead and see my preparations for whats coming have been correct for...well over 40 years now.

Treehugger These are the climate scientists who said that the ice caps will be gone by 2012????

There is too much data manipulation on the warming camp for me to take it seriously. The raw data on the cooling camp is not manipulated.

But hey, we'll see. I'm preparing for extreme cold, have grow lights, medium and seeds stored, food stores and cold clothing, fresh water to last a half a decade.

If you're preparing for heat, well...

Treehugger See my post treehugger to your first insult above. You're either not connecting the dots, or have been sucked in to a vast void and are lost listening to others rather than rationally thinking this all out for yourself. An example would be why is there a secret space program? See Gary McKinnon on that one the US department of injustic. This is about the survival of our species, this is a covert plan by the ubber rich to save themselves and people of their choosing because the rest of us have been consigned to freeze and starve to death. What, you think the panic to get guns out of the hands of the next generation is about gun control? No, it's because they know what is to come. It will come in the next life time.

Herbsman many people have predicted all sorts of things and most have failed but my long term prediction is we will see an almost ice free north pole year by 2026 and thats from ages ago. Greenland will be melted away by about 2100 and the Antarctic by 2150...so lets see!!!

Good to be prepared but be flexible. Some of my predictions actually go with the coolers like crop looses coming soon and massive price rises but through increasing drought not cold. Russia should be in the box seat as one of the few places with expanding warmth and more rain but rain will overall continue to decline in most places and the deserts will continue to expand, but a few exceptions and all become obvious when your climate model is correct. For 40 years its like taking toffee of a baby as warmers and coolers both start with the wrong models. Better to start again from basics and build up and actually use your brain and not copy others.

baron The ubber rich are greedy and plan to save themselves and thats why they are building underground shelters as thats the only sensible place to avoid the extreme heat. It wont work of course as they havent figured out the correct sequence of events coming.

A secret space program is partial cover for military stuff but the plan to escape from planet earth will also fail as obviously when the spaceships break down thats it. Underground will last much longer. The other problem is when the 99% is starving and desperate the 1% become the food! I agree why they want to get guns from the people and obvious why that is but again it will bring on the destruction more quickly as some will see through it and the best business of the future will be robbing the rich. Our species is highly unlikely to survive this self induced stupidity and I give us 500 years max. Even hardy bacterias will hang on a bit but basically just another dead planet going around a sun and yet another failed attempt to become interstellar creatures.

Herbsman data from coolers or warmers should be looked at carefully as many try to turn the data for their argument. best be dispassionate about the data and let it lead you where it wants and then we can keep learning more about climate our whole lives and get better at making predictions. Satelite data has been the breakthrough and many interesting projects have given us data we couldnt dream of years ago. The new GRACE project excites me as its so accurate we can monitor Greenland ice mass in real time and also look at volcanos and earthquakes. I predict many interesting datas will come of this. Recent satelite data showing the stratosphere getting cooler is again exactly what we expect in the upper atmosphere. Its just a pity about the lower atmosphere clearly going up steadily as I expect too. Personally I'd love it to cool and buy a few more years for the planet but wanting and wishing is rarely a good idea in climate research, quite the opposite it gives away the weakness in an argument, and time to go back to basics and ask the hard questions. Are we using wrong data or is our argument chain wrong. There is always an explanation eventually and the lights on moment. Idealogically getting married to warming or cooling is not the way to go and the beginning of the process called Alzheimers disease. Recently I was sent an article from adapt 2030 challenging the view that Greenland ice mass is shrinking. Purposfully misrepresented was data from the Denmark Meteorological Institute. Well Greenland does increase in ice mass every winter but overall its going down at an accelerating rate and this will continue but adapt 2030 seemed to imply the trend in Greenland had changed. The Danish data was correct but selectively taken out of context. Now Adapt 2030 cannot have believed what they were saying so their game is easily exposed!

sakura999 youtube channel: Adapt 2030

anartist Yes that is what I have encountered a few times and a friend subscribes and sometimes sends me stuff. A month ago they said Greenland was overall growing using Danish Meteorological Institute data showing Surface mass balance going up and up every year but its misleading as total ice volume declines most years and currently loosing about 400 cubic kms every year. 30 years ago it was 40 cubic kms. Of course it grows during the winter and declines in the summer. Very dishonest stuff taking advantage of naive people when they must know better so best avoided.

This is a better resource.

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Carolina Climatic change is a consequence of energies from space. Mostly due to a positional frame of reference regarding our planetary solar systems relationship to our galaxy and it's galactic core. See my above post, the big one which gives some hints as to what is really happening.

You're going to have to work to understand this people. The information is out there OK? Ask yourselves basic questions regarding where are we? Meaning where is our Star which tows our solar system around the Milkyway? Exactly how does this relate to the Galactic Poles of our own galaxy? How long is a galactic orbit? Where are we in this orbit? What happens at the poles? Where are the Galactic Poles OK? Got that? Poles is where it's happening, as in for thousands of years.

Earth heating is due to a number of issues. The lowest being human actions. The highest being vast disturbances in the magnetosphere and a subsequent rise in destructions of the upper regions which protect us from space energies. What, chemtrails just happened because our rulers are complete assholes? Well yes, they are, but no it's because there's problems in space. Chemtrails are currently blocking increased UV rays, as well as providing a covert attempt to find ways to help civilization survive in some areas when the ice really strikes. Probably within the next 30 to 200 years. So there is an attempt to find a way to create artificial heating of the atmosphere, with longer goal of creating artificial suns to help us survive what will follow.

The Universe is an electric Universe. It's dynamic and our Star is a metallic hydrogen based fusion motor. We are not sitting in space like a piece of dead wood on a pond, we are tied to a big ass boat which is whipping it's way about the galaxy with our little planet and all the other little planets in tow behind it, linked together our fate is tied to the Sun and it's positional reference to the core of our galaxy. This core has poles, as well as energies we do not understand, heck there even people who think it's a black hole. One kick the bucket the other day for example. So to find the truth you have to work and go far outside of the debate to find that truth.

baron Some good ideas here so I underestimated you but I think you have missed an obvious influence on climate. Theres 3 main ones...the most powerful is obviously the physical ones from our suns energy output to sunspot cycles, milanovitch cycles, albedo etc but the biggy most miss is life itself and then man is the least effect, that is until he causes a collapse of the biosphere! then we are back to the problem of 350 to 500 million years ago of a rapidly heating world(as CO2 collapsed!) which was turned initially by the Mosses and Liverworts(causing the extinction event in the sea 470 million years ago I might add), else the usual would have happened and snowball planet goes to desert planet and collapsing albedo causes a runaway temperature until the oceans are boiled dry. Snowball planets are ice a long time, briefly liquid and then desert so very little time for life to go anywhere. Earth is rather exceptional and unusual.

Google.

Latent heat of vaporization to understand how.

NativeSon Oh very true, look at the cherry picking Ancel Keys did for his "Fat causes heart disease" theory. 40 years later science only now starts to change its attitude towards disaster created theory.