The west was built on racism. It's time we faced that

Highland Fleet Lute · 2017-01-18T22:54:34Z

Why should anyone take that question seriously when it is posed by The Guardian, who think of the British working class as a sub-race who shouldn't be allowed to vote?

mumbo_jumbo · 2017-01-19T00:24:20Z

this is getting old

The west was built by the hard work and dedication of millions and millions of people, ALL races have been enslaved and some still are. This guy is a race baiter looking for free shit.

does he realize that 2%-3% of all slaves made it to North America?

we are creating an entire generation of young kids of color who will grow up to be professional victims but thanks to this nutcase and people like him they will have some one to blame for all their failures........we are already seeing this play out at college campuses.

Highland Fleet Lute · 2017-01-19T09:13:01Z

I might sue The British Government 'cause my grandad had to work down the pit. After that I might sue The French Government for The Norman Invasion, then after that we could all sue The Italian Government for The Roman Empire, and the black half of the miscegenated commentator in The Guardian's video could sue his white half.

I think it's entirely wrong to claim the suffering of your ancestors as you're own, and it's a gross insult to those ancestors, especially when you're an entitled, spoilt snowflake who's never gone without, never gone hungry, never suffered.

Empires, expansionist invasions, industrial revolutions exploit whoever they can, they don't discriminate, apart from perhaps, between those who are easy to exploit and those who are more difficult to exploit.

HashAttack2 · 2017-01-19T09:28:11Z

@HFL totally agree ... but the argument is that "'cause I ain't black I can't know the deep inherited trauma"

btw: Has our government now banned cigarette avatars ... I can see their point, if there are no fag avatars, no kids will take up smoking and then they will all be healthy slave workers who will never suffer any respiratory diseases .... how can one argue with that

Rowan Cocoan · 2017-01-20T22:00:04Z

Please, For Christ's Sake, DO!

Please, For Christ's Sake, DO!

(Sue.)

R.C.

nedlud · 2017-01-19T10:03:59Z

mass production

The above two commenters are correct. This article is extremely flawed, biased and therefore, despicable.

The factory model, the ballyhooed industrial revolution, which is now centuries old and still increasing in momentum and force, has resulted in mass production of various 'consumer' and 'luxury' items of 'incessant quality' (ie., worthless in spiritual denomination, and serving only as a stimulant and excuse for greed). It (the factory model) has been conducted expressly via the mass exploitation of as many people of all types as possible. The color of the people (or their sex) exploited has very little to do with it, instead it is their need to trust and the ease with which they can betrayed and violated.

It is in the nature of humans (and all creatures everywhere), to trust. This need to trust, is built into the world of 'goodness'. In normal settings, all goes well, for the most part, because people who are good do not violate trust. Only by accident would they do this and when they realize they have accidentally violated trust, they make amends as quickly as possible. This is how the world is made, how it conducts itself properly.....I and others call it, the Tao.

But when certain people who consistently violate trust, rise to power, the world comes unglued. Naturalness is lost (disrupted) totally, and exploitation reigns supreme.

The natural glue, which is trust, is replaced by increasingly complex and artificial laws and decrees. The laws and decrees are issued by the violators and exploiters. People get so they cannot distinguish the natural glue or order, with the phoney and the psychotic. The world spirals ever downward into madness of an amazingly complex and inextricable design.

Have a nice day.

ned, out

Rowan Cocoan · 2017-01-19T21:35:09Z

Ned: Re: mass production

Ned: Re: mass production

Good explanation for our world's increasingly complex uselessness, or the increase in our social systems' useless complexity to the point of increasing In-efficiency, a/k/a, entropy; (but - as currently in effect, via a self-sustaining hierarchical system that's par for the modern course. Again, entropy, but just getting there the long way round to keep the useless breeders and feeders too busy to get smart. (See Orwell/1984's reasoning behind the cause of war being to waste the products of the machine to keep folks dumbed down.)

Yours: Well put. Mine above: long way around. Oh well.

R.C.

lysna · 2017-01-19T11:37:19Z

Big fish eat little fish...If that's good then everything in the world is just perfect.
And always will be.
Amen...!!! or Sieg Heil...!!!

nedlud · 2017-01-19T11:52:12Z

the belly of the beast

@lysna:

Sometimes the little fish can cause great disturbance and discomfort to the big fish while hiding in their bellies.

It is a little trick that little fish can do.

God willing, of course.

ned, out

and I know because I am a little fish

lysna · 2017-01-19T12:44:56Z

Ned...Be honorable & make sure you swallow the little fish head first.
If you start at the tail what do you expect.
Sorry my friend facts are facts.
God is always MIA when people use Fairy Dust ideologies whilst rubbing their WANDS too hard.
And that takes a lot of hard work.
I'm not being personal but painting a big picture.

lysna · 2017-01-19T12:50:26Z

But I'm with you...hope they all choke on the little ones.

graeme15b · 2017-01-19T12:46:33Z

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Would it not be more accurate to say the west was built on psychopathic entitlement, and titles, and a ponerized society completely brainwashed into doing their masters bidding? Go kill and die for Queen and country.
So is the west really a psychopaths "factory" for the divine right to " go forth and multiply ", with the pathological ideology of course?
So maybe its about the proliferation of this gene pool.
Pathology for the world, i.e western values. Debt, lots of it!
While the west destroys your culture, and replaces it with the spiritually dead western one.
Chew on that while eating a big mac, living on your smart phone. The individual is great, to hell with the family,
and your community, and while you buy that, suckers!, then in this mixed up gender pro nouns etc, in the nanny state you now find yourself in, uncle sam knows best. Ah you don't buy it, well who gave you permission to think?
Maybe i'm being racist though.

lysna · 2017-01-19T12:57:31Z

The world was RACIST supremacist...always was & still is...a little less with the young ones but it still is.
Nations are racist & supremacists too.
The quicker we see that the faster we develop as humans.

graeme15b · 2017-01-19T14:41:25Z

@lysna, yes you are correct. I do not dispute that.
But is racism part of a deeper problem?, or is it skin deep?

lysna · 2017-01-19T15:20:36Z

NO...Racism is just what it is...Race or Nationality based...Simple..!!!
We want to disguise it as being part of a different problem because that's where it hides so well.
And so do we.
In the end its harder to do harm to your own kind because of these so called "problems"
Easy if you look down on yellow red black white...
Even if you haven't a problem one will find one as an excuse.
But hiding behind that problem...is guess who..???
Hope it makes sense...it's very late & bed time..

graeme15b · 2017-01-19T16:31:37Z

@lysna,
yes i get what you are saying.
Speaking for myself, i am not racist, and never have been.
Neither am i blind to it, i know its a serious problem, but it ain't hiding in me under the guise of any problem.
The problems i see are psychopaths running amock in this world, and the masses blindly following.
My own kind are human beings.
So yes, you make sense.

Good night.

lysna · 2017-01-19T12:47:32Z

@nedlud reply sent...clicked on wrong

Divide By Zero · 2017-01-19T16:18:02Z

No, it's class ism, if such a term exists. George Carlin had it right, it's not white black woman man, it's us and them and we don't belong to their club.

Best example is our own constitution, not only women and black people couldn't vote-non landowners who were white were excluded too.
Tell me why they needed to AMEND it with the bill of rights so soon?

Through history we see people like mlk not get assassinated for civil rights by race, but get killed when they unite the working class. These newspapers are just dividing people, like the Trump/Hillary bs does.

lysna · 2017-01-20T03:30:57Z

Off course there's class...but if your reason is correct why didn't they enslave the white people and forced them to do black mans slave labor...because it would've been a public outcry from the whites.
But if they were black or yellow that was OK.
No it's about class & not race.
I don't think so.
I love George Carlin but it's not the gospel you know, so to speak.

Niall · 2017-01-19T21:18:51Z

The main argument against

that I can deduce from comments thus far is: *all* are potentially racist/imperialist because all have been racist/imperialist, and thus all could be so in the future.

Sounds plausible enough. But here's an anomaly for you.

In the early to mid-15th century, the most advanced, most populous, most well-armed country on Earth was China. They sent out huge naval forces that reached (at least) as far as southeastern Africa. They did some exploring, some trading, some battles with pirates. Then they went home, and then these 'diplomatic missions' ceased. No one knows why exactly, but historians assume the Chinese decided against far-flung imperial conquest for 'some philosophical reasons'.

Now, they *have to* explain it in ideological/philosophical terms because all their usual material measures don't fit: China, the theory goes, *should have* become global hegemon (or at least striven for it like the Europeans who soon followed them into the Indian Ocean; first the Portuguese, then the Spanish, Dutch, British, etc) because that's what every heavily-centralized, industrialized, profit-seeking state seeks to do, right?

But they didn't.

Rather than ask, 'why not?', maybe the question is 'why western Europeans?'

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pau · 2017-01-21T14:36:03Z

Everybody knows that asians are harmless... except when mongolians conquered Asia and their hordes arrived to Europe and the Middle East. Or when Japan conquered half of asia during IIWW. Or when the Khmer Empire occupied from Burma to Vietnam. What about japanese naming the suice pilots as Kamikazes, the wind that saved them from chinese invasion. Maybe Hindu kingdoms that streched from persia to siam.....

.... Yeah very inoffensive this asians.

You want to talk about slavery? why dont you talk about the first slave owner and promoter of slavery in north america... the black man Anthony Johnson. What about the jewish slave traders?? what about the arabs being the biggest slave owners in history??? what about africans having slaves centuries before the white men arrieved to Africa???

Niall · 2017-01-21T17:29:16Z

No I don't want to talk about these things. I'm talking about a specific anomalous circumstance within a far larger pattern - made anomalous by the subsequent pattern of global conquest by Europeans.

graeme15b · 2017-01-21T21:59:50Z

@Niall, well that is a mighty good question, isn't it?
I do not profess to know the answer to that one, but i will speculate anyway.
Hopefully, spark off others to chime in, and maybe someone can throw more light on it.

So first of all, western Europeans, like others have already stated, are not the only ones guilty of imperialism, slavery, and empire building. However, in centuries past, the known world was a lot smaller. In the modern world, the world has grown somewhat, and now has shrunk again. The earth breathing, lol. (Sorry about that.) So in Genghis Khans time for example, "global" conquest was not even a concept, neither was the earth as a globe. The driving force behind empire has not changed, subjugate the masses, and total control. With elite psychopathic, megalomaniacs wanting all of everything.
Total control of the known world. Today the known world is global, and now the technological means for total global control exist.

So the current European driven globalist empire is being sold in the information sphere, mainly.
A battle for hearts and minds, and if i am not mistaken, this is a first.
I know there are wars, regime change and all that, but globally, and generally, it is a battle for hearts and minds.
Mind control in previous times was enforced, mainly. Today it is sold, and bought.

Which brings me to my last point, 4th density STS.
The hyperdimensional reality, and these beings who occupy such, have influenced world events through history, and were perhaps influencial in other empires, but at this stage in the game, maybe they consider Europeans of use in their drive for complete control. Enforcers perhaps? Mind control.
I know this last paragraph may seem off the charts in this comment section,
but you said a specific anomalous circumstance within a far larger pattern. lol.

lysna · 2017-01-20T02:26:35Z

That's a bit like asking why Switzerland is full of guns with very low gun crimes.
Metality...!!!
They weren't really adventurers & outgoing and didn't want to open up to the world via colonization.
The Chinese were always..in the main..an inward looking society..to them foreigners were like Goys to the Jews.
Their world was China & in China.
Hardly a non racist attitude but they did do some fun stuff in Vietnam in the 15th century from what I recall.

Highland Fleet Lute · 2017-01-20T06:45:45Z

So what do you mean, Lysna, that the Chinese are a bunch of racist bastards? LOL.

Actually, what you're saying about 'inward looking' has been said many times before. Does anyone know anything about the 1918 anti-Chinese riots in Jamaica? Basically, they were chased out of the island for being too 'inward looking'.

So now we're talking about 'states of being'. If you were going to take the negative point of view I guess you could equate the state of 'inward-lookingness' as contempt-for-that-which-is-outside-of-the-self, just as if you were going to take the negative point of view you could equate expansiveness with expansionist.

One things for sure, humans have to breathe in and breathe out.

lysna · 2017-01-20T07:06:42Z

Ahhh...The Jews...since Columbus..The Brits and the Chinese in Jamaica...interesting history lesson there that explains that things really don't change all that much...
Nope not calling Chinese a bunch of racist bastards...That would be nasty as they leave that in the background when doing business.
The girls in particular aren't racist when seeking rich husbands or a better life.
I love them...if I wasn't too old & worn out & poor I'd go and get one.
See I'm not racist...!!!
Shame on you HFL...you're a nasty nasty man...
Putting words in my mouth.
But seriously everyone is even a little racist given the right conditions.
Nature/Nurture does its thing.
What's important is to recognize that fact & get over it.

Highland Fleet Lute ·

You're a mess.

· 2017-01-20T07:12:38Z

lysna ·

Get over it

· 2017-01-20T07:23:13Z

Highland Fleet Lute · 2017-01-20T07:35:53Z

Get over what? You can come back here every fifteen minutes to mess your pants in public all day every day for all I care.

lysna · 2017-01-20T07:39:31Z

Why would I waste my time doing that when you just done it before me with that worthwhile emotional zero thought out response.
Grow up

Highland Fleet Lute · 2017-01-20T10:49:15Z

You waste your time doing that all day every day of the week and twice on Sundays.

Your unstoppable explosions of online dysentery have nothing to do with anyone else but you, and are sure to continue whether or not anyone takes notice or bothers to comment.

lysna · 2017-01-20T11:13:10Z

What's up HFL...You refuse to see what I'm talking about...or your arrogant ego wont let you see it.
Only you know master...

marckris · 2017-01-20T10:30:34Z

It's superiority

Superiority exists in every culture. Probably even in every person. It's the idea that you are above the others for various reasons i.e. aristocracy/bloodline (probably the most prominent), wealth, education, technology, religion, gender, etc. etc. I don't think slavery has anything to do with race. Slavery has been a common theme throughout history and still going on one way or another. Once it was forced, now it's probably seduced.

Highland Fleet Lute · 2017-01-20T10:54:06Z

"Superiority exists in every culture."

'Superiority' comes from one particular perspective, 'quality' another.

hobnob · 2017-01-21T04:13:58Z

"And it's not nitpicking; nitpicking has this specific ambience to it..."

hobnob · 2017-01-21T09:07:42Z

*only saying that 10:54 is nitpicking

Rowan Cocoan · 2017-01-20T22:10:37Z

OMG-HFL vs. Lysna=0

OMG-HFL vs. Lysna=0, zip; zed, nada, et al., ad inf.

A classic SOTT exchange if I've ever seen one,

All: Smirk,smile, and move on.

R.C.

LindaMay · 2017-01-20T22:31:53Z

OUFF!
lol.... you go HFL

lysna · 2017-01-21T03:27:21Z

@LindaMay...Is your siding with HFL because you refuse to see life for what it is and remain in your own fantasies..ie you don't agree with me & have no valid arguments so you're pissed... or it could be because I'm outnumbered and the very intelligent assumption that that makes you right.
You go girl.
Meeeeawww

LindaMay · 2017-01-21T03:38:38Z

Not at all

Not at all lysna. It's cause HFL is smart n funny and you re rude n crude.

lysna · 2017-01-21T04:00:59Z

So asuming you're correct...Smart & funny is always correct... rude & crude is assumed wrong because you don't agree with rude and crude.
I don't even see where I was rude & crude...
Also HFL stating that I mess my pants in public...referring to my comments as dysentery is not being rude & crude.
Hahaha...it's funny instead cos you don't like to hear what I'm saying...!!!
And I'll take sides for that reason...DUH...!!!
Also making a comment you can't respond to rationally but emotionally is not rude or crude.
You're attitude is very biased & irrational.
I'm sure you're a decent person but you need to take a good look at your self.
Joining a lynching mob makes you right...good attitude.

LindaMay · 2017-01-21T04:11:40Z

I have lysna. I m young tight snappy and prosperous.
good night

lysna · 2017-01-21T04:19:45Z

Apart from these egocentrics you mentioned it's easy to see what else you are.
But I wont go over that again.
I've seen enough evidence already.

LonSabbatical · 2017-01-21T08:48:41Z

What people mean to say is that this stuff happened in the past. It has little to no bearing on the present. Descendants of slaves should get over it. The current descendants of the slave masters bear no responsibility. You should stop being a professional victim blaming everything on things that happened before your lifetime.

This is all liberalism gone amok. Suffering happens, slavery happens, get over it and move on.

nedlud · 2017-01-21T09:21:46Z

short circuits

Yesterday has no bearing on today, today has no effect on tomorrow.

Everything is just a jumble of different colored wires, with none having any recognition of the other.

That is quite the philosophy, LonSabbatical.

Yes, sometimes it does seem that way.

Or we wish it were so.

ned, out

hobnob · 2017-01-21T09:39:57Z

Huh. You said something lucid there.

In general, there is a present significance to the exploitation of our ancestors. That is to say, everyone's. Your ancestors, no matter your color, also suffered just as much. That's what most seem to miss. It is, factually, often about race. But always it is about the cultural understanding of the time that led to interpersonal conflicts. We inherit such feelings, usually from our biased sympathies about history, or from our family if we're that gullible.

hobnob · 2017-01-21T09:47:20Z

And "progressive delusions?" *roll-eyes*

hobnob · 2017-01-21T09:48:28Z

*meaning most know where our progress came from

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