First there would be no mass production of steel without coke from coking coal to remove oxygen from iron ore. People could cut trees in forests for charcoal to produce pig iron and crude steels, but forests would soon be exhausted. Coal saved the forests from this fate.
We could produce gold and silver without using mineral hydro-carbons and with ingenuity we could probably produce unrefined copper, lead and tin and alloys like brass and bronze. But making large quantities of nuclear fuels, cement, aluminium, refined metals, plastics, nylons, synthetics, petro-chemicals and poly pipes would be impossible.
Making wind turbines and solar panels would also be impossible without fossil fuels. A wind turbine needs lots of steel plus concrete, carbon fibre and glass polymers as well as many other refined metals - copper, aluminium, rare earths, zinc and molybdenum. Solar panels and batteries need high-purity ingredients - silicon, lead, lithium, nickel, cadmium, zinc, silver, manganese and graphite - all hard to make in backyard charcoal-fired furnaces. Transporting, erecting and maintaining wind and solar farms plus their roads and transmission lines needs many pieces of diesel-powered machinery.
Every machine on earth needs hydro-carbons for engine oil, gear oil, transmission oil, brake fluid, hydraulic oil and grease. We could of course use oils from, seals, beeswax and whales for lubrication - the discovery of petroleum saved the whales from this fate.
Roads would be a challenge without oil-based bitumen. The Romans made pretty good roads out of cobble-stones (this would ease unemployment). But hard labour would not sit well with aging baby-boomers or electronic-era Millenniums.
Cars, railways, motor launches, aeroplanes, I-Phones, TV and cat-scans would be out. Horses, oxen, sulkies, wooden rowing boats, sailing ships, herbal medicine and semaphore would have a huge revival. Some wood-burning steam tractors may still work and wood-gas generators may replace petrol in some old cars.
This is the return to the "zero-emissions" world that Green extremists have planned for us.
But modern life cannot not be supported by a pre-coal/oil economy. Without reliable electricity and diesel-powered farm machinery and transport trucks, cities are un-sustainable. In Green-topia 90% of us people will need to go.
But Greens should not expect us to go quietly.
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Humanity might survive whereas, on our current trajectory, the future outlook appears debt ridden, polluted, filthy, sick and dystopian - followed by a nothingness where humanity wouldn't want to exist even if it could.
Why is it that I haven't heard anyone of these climate fanatics mention the militaries. Are little military here in Canada use's copious amounts of hydrocarbons for it's planes, ships, track and wheeled vehicle. I can't even imagine how much the US military would use in a single day. The up-keep of these machines is imposable without hydrocarbons.Same thought hit me. War industry is not on the "must shut it down" list somehow.
It would be cool if these kids started putting that kind of pressure on their idiotic parents that are using them to get new taxes and some eugenics implemented. Already this movement has lost its head and who knows what they might do tommorow.
Imagine shutting down war industry. All that CO2 and polluting without care for nature
If you seriously think the establishment will unilaterally disarm so as not to upset the fragile tipping point that only now applies - well think again.
But global energy control (theres a prize) does mean that if you don't comply you can be easily choked off.
The climate fanatics are told what to think and they are not invited to actually question anything.
But Greens should not expect us to go quietly.Share Tony Heller's work on YT. Hes debunking fake climate science like a pro.
A lot of quality info has to be shared to speed up dismantling these "climate activist" and all "Al Gore like" carbon tax agendas. He is a lighthouse for truth on Earth climate history and real science on it. He has realclimatescience.org too.
It is massive funding and broad spectrum dominance applying the following social conditioning:
“No one understood better than Stalin that the true object of propaganda is neither to convince nor even to persuade, but to produce a uniform pattern of public utterance in which the first trace of unorthodox thought immediately reveals itself as a jarring dissonance.”~ Alan Bullock, in Hitler and Stalin: Parallel Lives
Too much.
Too soon.
Too little.
Too late.
(Good luck taking care of yourself, family and friends in a world such as this.
It isn't gonna happen.
Do you like Cannibal Soup? Does that thought, that notion, that REALITY give you joy?
Mmmmmmm, good. Yummy.
You will be one of the last to go, you will survive the longest of any of us, if it does.
Very advanced, very strategic, very promotional.
Uh-huh.
Yeah.
AWRIGHT!)
ned,
out
I am of the opinion that whenever the warlords/'government leaders' of our ancient world (the earlier stages of our present day 'civilized' technopoly) wanted new lands and territories (which was all the time--remember: GREED IS KING) they encouraged the common people to breed themselves prolifically for near term future use as soldiers and trained occupiers. They probably fed them pretty good for awhile, eh? Fed them lots of fanciful tales, too. Ride those hormones!
Many soldiers (hordes of them) were of course needed to overrun and destroy any indigenous and more peaceful and stable populations that were on that land and that the warlords needed to get rid of.
It is fun to produce, to over-produce, and then of course, to starve.
Have a nice day.
I am so proud of us all.
Especially I am proud of our true blue leaders, our high ranking officials everywhere.
And of course, THE TECHNOLOGY OF ALL OUT BUSINESS AND ALL OUT WAR.
ned,
OUT
It's definitely globalization that is destroying the environment.
I get about 6 ounces of junk mail every week. Multiply that by 100 million addresses.
Lots and lots of horrific waste from big corps and government. Individuals and their pathetic electric cars and recycling are nothing more than a joke.
Travel by horse, elephant, camel, sail boat, barge canals, paddle boats, gliders, bikes are all more gentle on nature.
Hard as it is to change, change we must..
We know now that modern ships, planes and cars pollute the land, air and water
Or maybe people actually would prefer to exist in tin cans in a future without much that is naturally produced.
Fuck them all. They can have all the meetings they like. They can formulate all kinds of plans. All we have to do, is simply not comply.
Our world loves its media 'talking points' which is what climate change actually is. EMPs tho, that's a horse of a different color.
END THE FED!
(me finds it a little bit odd, that I have not seen this fact mentioned yet)
if these things are true. and if the system that we have ALL adopted requires endless growth... the problem becomes obvious. would you agree with my observation?
Then came the Little Ice Age. When CO2 went down to less than 300ppm and crops failed, we didn't see summer and folks froze to death.
We responded to this crisis with the Industrial Revolution, which brought heating, mass manufacturing, warm clothes and a means to transport goods quickly over long distances, which also mean the necessity of speedy communication to make all this work.
Since we are natural part of this world, it could be argued that we've acted as a "thermostat" and contributed to getting temperatures back up to where stuff actually grows. We are now at a very comfortable 400ppm of CO2.
That doesn't suit our NWO overlords who want you to rely on them entirely. They don't want you growing your own vegetables, they want huge greenhouses and supermarkets full of GM produce. In fact they don't want you venturing out of their Smart Cities at all.
Welcome to Logan's Run for real.
Do the vegans know about this. Dame you climate. Won't somebody think about the vegans
#doveganlivesreallymatter
And yet, I'm one of the lucky ones!!!
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I guess Greta didn't work as intended. So, now onto the hollywood pundits.
What a gallery of rogues: Skull and Bones member John Kerry, Fake News promoter Leonard DiCaprio ("the rainforests are burning!"),Epstein Pedo-Clubber Bill Clinton...and of course it's not politically motivated (but it's all Trump's fault)
Question ? Do you own a car ??
Answer . Of course I do ! & I need it to pick up my children from school.................
At the monent, they still try it with the infertilizing Vegan diet. War might follow ...