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Kazakhstan will surgically remove paedophiles' genitals under new draft law after complaints that chemical castration was not harsh enough

Will Stewart
Daily Mail
Tue, 06 Feb 2024 14:46 UTC

Kazakhstan will surgically remove the genitals of the worst offending paedophiles under a new draft law.

It follows complaints from MPs that the current system of chemical castration - one of the toughest in the world - is not deterring child sex offenders.

Elnur Beisenbaev, an MP and executive secretary of the ruling Amanat Party, said the government was 'spineless' and pandering to paedophiles for failing to insist on 'surgical castration'.

'Unfortunately, [sex crimes against children] are happening more and more often,' he said, suggesting chemical castration - which lowers the male libido through injected anti-androgen drugs - was not effective.

'By letting a rapist go free, we create conditions for recidivism with our own hands,' he added.

'This is evidenced by the death of little Erkizhan in Saryagash.'

Erkezhan Nurmakhan, five, was lured to a paedophile's house after he offered her money for an ice cream.

Killer Saidolim Gayibnazarov, 48, who had previous convictions, was sentenced to life in jail and chemical castration.

'The government says our amendment for surgical castration of paedophiles violates human rights,' said the MP, a father of four, who intends to keep pressing for the new law.

'We don't suggest applying it to all paedophiles, but we'd like to give courts an option of having surgical castration.

'If a paedophile attack is especially cruel, I believe surgical castration must be applied...

'There were about 430 crimes of this kind committed against our children lately.

'Our government demonstrates its lack of backbone by not approving surgical castration, as if we violate the rights of paedophiles, because paedophiles are human beings.

'I believe they are not human beings.'

He spoke of another case where 'a father from Almaty who has been raping his daughter for two years was given only 20 years in prison'.

He said: 'This is nonsense. Criminals like him should face life imprisonment and medical castration.'

He added: 'This [surgical castration] is a preventive measure.

'It sends a message to all paedophiles and other criminals of similar type, that this heinous crime will result in physical castration by court order.'

Kazakhstan has operated a system of forced castration for paedophiles for several years.

Child sex abusers have been shown on Kazakh TV telling of their anguish after undergoing forced castration.

One said: 'I know it's harmful to my body.

'I know it will affect my health in future.'

Another said: 'Now I am sorry I committed such a crime.'

Yet there are critics of the scheme.

Human rights activist Dina Tansari said paedophiles remained dangerous on release even after chemical castration.

'Impunity gives rise to new crimes,' she said.

'No chemical castration will help...

'We must take into account the fact that the medicine used in this procedure is very easy to remove from the body.

'Doctors say that its effect can be neutralised by alcohol.

'I believe this is a waste of public funds.'

Deputy Interior Minister Igor Lepikha said surgical castration was 'controversial'.

'In terms of ethics and the human side of the issue it is very complicated indeed,' he said.

'Moreover, we speak about these criminals being locked up for life - so there is no point in [castration] then.'

Comment: A harsh punishment for a horrendous crime. Certainly there would be no point in surgical or chemical castration if the individuals were imprisoned for life with no possibility of release and no access to children, ever. But trying to find the right balance of punishment and preventative measures for such individuals is better than trying to normalize them and their predilections.

Reader Comments

Artex · 2024-02-06T15:20:03Z

I would be for execution of pedos, except for the fact that there are vengeful prosecutions of 18 year olds dating 16 year olds who are then labeled pedophiles and forced to register as sex offenders in perpetuity in the US and other countries. If we can clearly define the difference between those and not exclude those folks from society, then sure, castrate, execute, torture, I do not care. It's nothing compared to what they put children through.

ReRan · 2024-02-06T16:28:44Z

Artex I'm with you on that.

Artex · 2024-02-06T16:41:06Z

ReRan I have a friend who is in his 60s and is a registered sex offender and has been since his twenties (he had just finished serving in the Navy) when a runaway 16-year-old came to live in his house with his roommates and told them all she was over 18. They all slept with her over time, but when her parents found out and went after all of them, he was the only one honorable enough to admit he had (with the caveat that she had lied to everyone), and so they threw the book at him. He has never shown any interest in young women or children in all the time I've known him, but his punishment has kept him in poverty his entire adult life. No one will hire a presumed pedo.

Finch · 2024-02-06T17:55:56Z

ReRan Me too! EXCEPT, those who commit the most atrocities towards children are usually those in positions of power which make them immune from prosecution, or punishment.

Gator · 2024-02-06T18:00:38Z

Artex FYI, my wife as a social worker had to work with registered sex offenders here in Canada. Some were given the chemical castration treatment and from what I recall just like the article stated they all re-offended.

As someone severly abused by a psycho Scout leader as a young boy I have no sympathy or empathy for them. About 8 years ago I went to the police as well as my friend and we independantly coaberated each others story. The pedo was charged, and rather than go back to prison at age 79 he blew his head off with a shotgun. 2 years ago I settled with the perps estate & Scouts Canada....

Finch · 2024-02-06T18:04:47Z

Gator So sorry that happened to you. Sadly, this happens to a lot of men as well as women. I suspect almost everyone now knows someone to whom this happened, which says just how much of an issue it is.

Animanarchy · 2024-02-06T18:29:48Z

Finch At least that story had a happy ending.

Gator · 2024-02-06T19:47:05Z

Finch Thanks. I agree. I once thought I was the only one. But the psychologists I worked with, my reading on the subject, as well as previous court records show these socio/psychopathic pedo's leave a long and large trail of victims. It's a huge problem....

Animanarchy · 2024-02-07T08:36:17Z

Gator I have suspicions about an occasional eye liner wearing man who is or was the main psychiatrist for the Waypoint mental health rehabilitation facility or whatever you want to call it - psyche ward - in Penetanguishene, Ontario, Canada. I have had to deal with him twice. That goof gives me the creeps.

Animanarchy · 2024-02-07T08:39:31Z

Animanarchy I am not currently recalling its first name but the latter is Van Impe pronounced van amp.

IncenDiary · 2024-02-07T09:41:38Z

Animanarchy There's some dodgy stuff about that place. A fire 11 years after opening took down the Boys Reformatory of Upper Canada building [Link] the Criminal Insane Building, named 'Oak Ridge', where "Continuous baths were installed from the institution's opening and electro-shock treatments began in the late 1940s."... " The Oak Ridge building officially closed in 2014, but Waypoint continues to house Ontario’s only maximum security forensic hospital." [Link] Oak Ridge National Laboratory is 'just down the road', and the only thing mentioning it on SOTT is

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Gator · 2024-02-07T18:26:34Z

Animanarchy Wow, sorry you had to endure that !

Animanarchy · 2024-02-08T00:36:04Z

Gator I didn't have to deal with the freak with its makeup at least lol, just subjected to it for an hour and a half or so for a societal risk assessment that I aced. He began his report by saying I "kept a straight face throughout" and he couldn't grok me, to summarize.

He still has a sociopathic diagnostician fetish for anything he may be able to potentially project on a patient though, gave me a litany of tentative diagnoses, all bogus.

Highlander · 2024-02-08T04:13:28Z

Artex With the greatest respect, I would look again at your friend!

In the UK, the registering of sex offenders didn’t come into force until 1997, and was not retro active. Ie, “This means it does not generally include the names of those convicted of sexual offences before it came into effect on 1 September 1997”!

But any criminal offence there after………!

Artex · 2024-02-08T14:18:21Z

Highlander This is in the US, and I don't know if the registry existed when he was convicted. I met him when he was in his mid-thirties and that was in the late 90s and he had to register at that point. He lived in the cheapest, smallest apartment I'd ever seen. He struggled to find work to make ends meet. Any woman left him the moment they found out he was on the registry, which he'd tell them pretty much right away. No one cares about the context of why you're on the registry, only that you are.

I also knew a guy only 3 years older than me who in his twenties ended up on the registry for reasons I'm not 100% clear on, but the girl was in HS. He didn't spend any time in jail but blew his brains out only a couple of months after he landed on the registry because the stigma was too much.

My original stance holds. Execute the clearly-guilty. But we've got to figure our shit out regarding young men who grow up too slowly to realize that society isn't okay with a young mindset (seeing people in HS as your peers still) once you hit 18. And there has to be some redemption for those cases of statutory rape. Pedos and arrested development are not the same things.

Two more things, did you know there was a young woman in Alabama a couple years back that had to register as a sex offender because at 17 she performed fellatio on her boyfriend and got caught? In Alabama that's consider "sodomy" and lands you on the registry if convicted. And in many states, public urination is considered "exposing yourself in public" and also lands you on the registry if convicted. You might think this means homeless people, but often it's drunk people or football fans trying not to piss themselves on game day. Meant as a deterrent so alleys and sidewalks don't smell like piss, but ruins people's lives.

IncenDiary · 2024-02-08T14:47:03Z

Artex I remember wondering why being on something like a 'Sex Offenders' list wouldn't automatically have resulted in the choice of either chemical castration and ankle monitoring (we always knew such things didn't 'really' work from old army days, so I'm told) or else actual castration and annual checkup's like on parole. It should be quite informative regardless, I dunno, it's weird. Otherwise I suppose the 3rd choice is everyone's favourite on youtube, bullet to the head, nice and quick... because MAP's belong on Walls, sounds legit.

Animanarchy · 2024-02-08T15:27:44Z

Artex The struggle is real. Someone I knew years ago when he was in his twenties told me that he was charged with indecent exposure for urinating on gravel it percolates through in an alley (it won't leave a puddle, I know the alley, done the same occasionally too) because a cop walking the beat past it noticed him from behind. In that area there are not enough convenient places to use a washroom and a lot of establishments won't let people who aren't paying customers use their facilities so options for relieving oneself are limited, plus there are plenty of bars so the alleys and other locations around there get urinated in a lot, so that cop was just being a power tripping tyrant.

Highlander · 2024-02-08T16:28:38Z

Artex Mmm….. the sex register was created in the USA in 1994, becoming law in 1996. My friend, I give no quarter to those that abuse children, physically or sexually. Myself, I look at the facts, not at what’s someone alleges that was done or not done! That stops liars lying. While I understand the intricacies and proof of guilt or of innocence, I don’t take anyone’s word, because Ive “known them”, children is the most beautiful present to be given. You’re responsible for their welfare and well being, your duty is to ascertain facts and defend that child from miscreants.

Artex · 2024-02-08T16:31:01Z

IncenDiary "MAPs" absolutely belong in front of firing squads.

IncenDiary · 2024-02-08T16:34:06Z

Highlander "Physically" would be a hell of a lot of children. I remember trying to hide my shock when my friend told me his dad would regularly sucker punch, like you're wheezing crippled on the ground, if he got into a fight at school... which being a big boy with a temper (gee, wonder why) people were always F'ing with him and he didn't lose fights, but... I dunno. I never realized how many kids have normalized these kinds of beatings as 'just the way it is'... it generally stops around later teenage-hood. I was lucky to just have the emotional abuse. Uncanny.

Artex · 2024-02-08T16:44:42Z

Highlander I worked with law enforcement in an IT capacity about 15 years ago, and even the police had some issues with how online maps that showed the location of sex offenders were unfair because of how broad the definition had become with the use of the registry. Imagine when someone decides to keep tabs on all the sex offenders and starts a call-in/write-in campaign whenever one moves into their neighborhood, because that's what happens, and the cops get to deal with the PR nightmare that becomes because they end up looking like apologists for pedophiles and rapists.

For statutory rape, in absence of hard evidence that someone is likely to re-offend, there should be no registry on first offense but several years of probationary check-ins. If they re-offend, then straight to jail with immediate registration. I'd put good money on the idea that the vast majority of statutory rapists when the ages of involved are between 16 and 25 years old will never re-offend.

Maybe I'm wrong, but given that my wife is 8 years younger than I am and I met her when she was 17, I very much understand how things could go or be perceived wrong (although in my wife's parents case they never would have objected).

To be clear though, we dated briefly when she was 18, and then grew apart and then met again when she was 23 and started dating and cohabitating, and then we didn't get married for almost 10 years after that. The point being, I wasn't interested in her because she was young, it was because of who she was and that we were in similar places in our lives. And let the record show that my two previous serious relationships were with women who were 5 and 8 years older than me and that my very first girlfriend when I was 14 was 16.

Highlander · 2024-02-08T20:29:30Z

IncenDiary Goodness me, you sound “woke”!

Once a person is an adult, as judgemental as your good self, we, the individual, doesn’t make excuses. Whatever has happened in the past, is the past. As an adult, you don’t go down a pathetic line of looking for sympathy and indulging in cowardice. A man gets on his feet and aspires to live his life. You ought to try it!

Finch · 2024-02-08T20:40:28Z

Artex If public urination were criminalized in Ecuador, lol, we would definitely need more jails One of our regular drivers always pees just outside our gate, and I've seen men in town doing this too, and in the main square But they usually point away from where people see details I will admit to cringing when I see people walk barefoot in town (I'm a barefoot girl but have serious limits lol)

Finch · 2024-02-08T20:56:45Z

Artex LOL almost the same I met my husband when I was 23 and he 46. We dated for a year, and broke up, but by 29 I was back with him, together ever since, and we even have a daughter together.

Honestly though when I was 15 I dated an 18 year old (and of all ironies, my husband and the first boyfriend ended up meeting (not MY doing) and working together for a bit). But when I was dating the 18 year old, at 15, my mother broke us up by threatening to arrest my boyfriend. But he had a brother who worked in the police department, and he gave us a heads up and we broke up to protect him. He went on to marry and have two kids, and is a good father and husband. So yes, this could have cost him a LOT had they had a registry in the 70s.

Gator · 2024-02-08T21:19:09Z

Animanarchy Yeah I have had a ton of experience with psychologists & psychiatrists. This is funny, sorta. Or at least I can laugh at it now.

Dec 26 2020 I attend the hospital to get a fracture in my arm and ripped tendon on my finger, due to an RCMP officer forcefully and against the law pushing me 20 ft out the door of Canada Post over my mask exemption.

Anyways, I get head ER doc and he fixes me up with a cast. Then I ask him can I get a psych assessment. He why you seem ok, and I said I know but the world seems to have gone MAD. He says ok, gets a psych nurse and off we go to one of those padded / surveilled rooms. She does assessment says I am A-ok. No shit. But she says my ptsd is very excerbated and rightfully so, and that my request for a bed was totally reasonable. In comes ER doc to authorize the bed which he also agreed was reasonable. BUT ...he says since you cannot wear a mask, policy says, sorry no bed. Damn, I said can you say that again doc. And he does. I (studidly) said thanks,I just recorded that. Doc looses his shit, lunges at me to grab my iphone which is still recording yelling you cannot record. BS I said here is the legal statute that allows me to. Plus I point to the cameras on the roof filming us. I said did u get my informed consent??? Next thing I know 4 security barge into the evaluation room, drag me into hallway. 2 on each arm, I am 6'4 245lbs. Then the doc unbelievably without my consent reaches into my trouser pocket and removes the still recording iphone, and runs behind a wall. I yell hey doc, you just committed an indictable offence ....called robbery. He tried to delete the recording, but my phone was locked. He then comes out from behind the wall, red faced, sweating and shaking, stuffs to phone in my pocket and tells security to throw me out, and they did. I was pissed off...

It gets better. I go around the front entrance of the hospital call my wife she says she is 10 mins away and will be right there. I am freezing, so I step inside the front entrance of the hospital next to a lineup of people being screened just to enter. I was not bother anyone...out of my right ear, I see and hear a security guard, yell HE HAS A WEAPON....I didn't. I was then swat team style violently taken to the ground by 6 security. I am screaming "get off me I cannot breath" ! Dozens of doc's nurse and patients see this and 1 doc screams at security, get off him your killing him, and they were. Finally they stand me up, and the ER doc on his break comes over. I see my wife pullup out front and say doc go talk to her, and he does. All the security were red faced, sweating, and embarrased. Cops (whom I know) show up and take me for an involuntary psych assessment. I see same ER doc, same psych nurse and now 2 cops in the same psych eval room. I say doc am I having Deja - Vu weren't we just here. He says, we were....and a laugh in his face. He leaves next a board certified psych doc comes and we we go through the same eval as 1 hr before. Again I 100% clear psych eval, and again get denied a bed, for the same 'policy'.... I laugh my ass off, and say I just had 2 clear psych evals in the last 1.5 hrs, and I am clear, that must make you the fuckin mental cases....I was released.

Aagain I go to front entrance of hospital and wait for my wife. I run into the cops, and say Travis can I sit in your cop car and keep warm, sorry Scott, but since you won't wear a mask, I cannot allow that...FFS and we walk over to a sign that says everyone must wear a mask EXCEPT those with a medical exemption that cannot wear one....I say see, right there it says what I have been saying all night, I am exempt. He says, OMG you have a "medical exemption" DUH.....I have been saying that and showing my exemption all night, are you all fucking retarded, mental, need a psych eval. He apologizes, wife picks me up. Took 2 weeks for my complex ptsd to calm down....FUCKERZ !!!

Sorry for the long reply....

Animanarchy · 2024-02-09T02:52:47Z

Gator That is a travesty, quite the compounded amount of nonsense that you had to go through.

I've had numerous assessments and a handful of psyche ward stays up to 72 hours and had some similar experiences, for example I've been attacked by psyche ward security while restrained by my wrists and ankles, and then I was injected by a sadistic sociopathic nurse with two needles to put me out (I was livid after being assaulted so the first needle didn't do anything and I said after it to the nurse "Your injections are bitch" lol but the second one put me out pretty quick). I've been shoved and jumped by cops a handful of times.

I just lied about having a medical mask exemption to go in places without one (you can do that in Ontario and establishments aren't supposed to ask for proof or even a reason), including two hospitals the police brought me to, though I don't know if I was actually fooling anyone (one nurse who remembers me from throughout the years was on my side and facilitated my ruse), so I was in a psyche ward without one and just told to stay in my room if I refuse to wear a mask and use a different bathroom.

ReRan · 2024-02-09T13:56:38Z

Animanarchy Because our charter of rights and freedoms gives us free choice for medical treatment, and because these masks were used medically, ostensibly to stop a virus, everyone has a legal exemption. So you didn't lie, your (our) government did. They lied a lot, of course. I was only pressured to wear one going in and out of the hospital, not during my stay.

Highlander · 2024-02-06T16:44:34Z

Goodness me, if this was instituted here Tory’s and privately schooled gentlemen would all have plastic tubes to unrinate!

Richer · 2024-02-06T17:24:43Z

This is worse than female genital mutilation. Because it is done by state actors. And because wrongful convictions exist.

No, you're not safe from wrong convictions through genetic evidence: [Link] [Link] [Link]

Artex · 2024-02-06T17:40:32Z

Richer And also for the reasons I posted above. Statutory rape has no defense. It doesn't matter what a underage participant (but let's be real, it's almost always girls) looks like, if she lied, had fake ID, or even if one parent was okay with it. Statutory means the fact that it happened means it was rape, regardless of intent or knowledge.

IncenDiary · 2024-02-06T18:11:14Z

Artex Statutory means the fact that it happened means it was rape, regardless of intent or knowledge.

Yes, that is true: 'statutory' is relating to statutes, to a law that is enacted and/or enforced, having an expected requirement through being done or made regularly.

It does not confirm or deny that the purported act actually happened; but rather that whether or not it was consensual, it is against the law, to be considered the same as if the act had occurred, whether or not the act actually did occur.

But then, all of this only applies if your 'poor'. For some reason this self-same law (or similar) seems to protect the extremely wealthy and connected, it's very strange. I mean, who was the only man convicted of trafficking children to... no-one? How nice for them...

Finch · 2024-02-06T18:11:19Z

Artex Generally agree but definitely exceptions. For example, in the small town I lived in (NE wisc), an 18 year old had been raping a girl who was 16 (without consent). To make matters worse, she reported it, but he was from a "good family," so PAROLE. And then he would come to the high school! And literally the principle would see him, and not take action, and the then 19 year old boy would go to the classroom (he was NOT a student any longer), and just lean against a wall and glare at the girl to make her scared/threatened. And nothing was ever done about this. AND the village clerk, when giving me a list of the 9 registered offenders in town, made a point of telling me, "well, this one doesn't count, it was statutory." But it also was NOT consensual, which makes it rape, and likely will become a recurring pattern.

Another kid in the same small town (again, a very "good" family), he was really a good kid in high school, but he took a fall for a small marijuana sale (he was one of 4 kids, it was sorta honorable) when he was 18. Things escalated from there, and within two years he had VIOLENTLY raped a girl his age, and suffocated another one. He is behind bars now.

The town, btw, had a population of just 900. I could list more examples. And probably this is true across the usa.

IncenDiary · 2024-02-06T18:29:33Z

Finch It's the same down here; small towns and the same thing. It is definitely a global problem...

Finch · 2024-02-06T21:24:34Z

IncenDiary The thing about a small town is you know more about what happens. Whereas in the cities this information remains sub rosa. But you can definitely extrapolate stats from small towns and multiply based on populations of larger cities.

Highlander · 2024-02-07T09:12:35Z

Richer I doubt very much they have the bar of proof set at American levels. As most wrongful convictions in American is based on political expediency, racism, bigotry, and state officials corruption.

I am totally in agreement with this civilised way of protecting children from perverts. Americans should take a leaf out of there book when it comes to child protection. Instead of allowing perverts into schools to pervert one’s children!

Highlander · 2024-02-08T21:16:03Z

Different worlds. Some believe everything is black and white, it’s no, and we have no right to be judge jury and executioner. In a number of Russian Stans…. One can see such poverty, (this was the early 1990s). Where women and men, squatted at the side of the road to do there toiletries! Where men could stab and murder someone in a work gang, when working for a Swedish oil company. Because of corruption, he the company owner eventually was bankrupted by public officials. In Capetown South Africa I saw a group of men standing on a street corner, two women went past, one of the men knew the woman, and asked her to go round the back of the shops for sex. She refused, both women fought him, he punched both women severely, the woman walked around the back of the shops. One woman in SA I spoke to told me she was very religious, went to church two or three times a week. He husband used to beat her, she hated him. But the church minister was good to her. She has sex with him two or three times a week! Different cultures different ideas. Who’s to say who is right! What’s right and what’s wrong….. the world moves on, human beings are just human beings!

IncenDiary · 2024-02-09T07:14:03Z

Highlander And you tell me to grow up; where do you think I live? Crazy.

Highlander · 2024-02-09T08:47:07Z

IncenDiary Aye Saldanha dive school, Capetown, false bay, swimming in the Indian Ocean, you’re both lucky and unlucky to live in such a beautiful part of the world. A result of poverty, apartheid, marginalisation and the lack of education of all cultures. I worked in

Somerset Hospital, the murders, stabbings, hit and run….. aye.. the full moon… crisis!

IncenDiary · 2024-02-09T10:29:52Z

Highlander oh wow, you do know.

Gator · 2024-02-08T21:31:36Z

Animanarchy Yeah I have had a ton of experience with psychologists & psychiatrists due childhood sexual assaults by a former Scout leader that left me with complex ptsd. This is funny, sorta. Or at least I can laugh at it now.

Dec 26 2020 I attend the hospital to get a fracture in my arm and ripped tendon on my finger repaired, due to an RCMP officer forcefully and against the law pushing me 20 ft out the door of Canada Post over my mask exemption. I was not arrested....

Anyways, I get head ER doc and he fixes me up with a cast. Plus I show everyone my mask medical exemption. Then I ask him can I get a psych assessment. He why you seem ok? and I said I know but the world seems to have gone MAD. He says ok, gets a psych nurse and off we go to one of those padded / surveilled rooms. She does assessment says I am A-ok. No shit, but people I tell her called the cops 20 times on me whenever I show them my mask exemption. But she says my ptsd is very exacerbated and rightfully so, and that my request for a bed for 24 hrs to calm down, was totally reasonable. In comes ER doc to authorize the bed which he also agreed was reasonable. BUT ...he says since you cannot wear a mask, "hospital policy" says, sorry no bed. Damn, I said can you say that again doc. And he does. I (studidly) said "thanks, I just recorded that". Doc looses his shit, lunges at me to grab my iphone which it is still recording yelling you cannot record in here. BS I said here is the legal statute that allows me to. Plus I point to the cameras on the roof filming us. I said did u get my informed consent to record me??? Next thing I know 4 security barge into the evaluation room, drag me into hallway. 2 on each arm, I am 6'4 245lbs. Then the doc unbelievably without my consent reaches into my trouser pocket and removes the still recording iphone, and runs behind a wall. I yell hey doc ! ...you just committed an indictable offence ....called robbery. He tried to delete the recording, but my phone was locked. He then comes out from behind the wall, red faced, sweating and shaking, stuffs to phone in my pocket and tells security to throw me out, and they did. I was pissed off...

It gets better. I go around the front entrance of the hospital call my wife she says she is 10 mins away and will be right there. I am freezing, so I step inside the front entrance of the hospital next to a lineup of people being screened just to enter. I was not bother anyone...out of my right ear, I see and hear a security guard, yell HE HAS A WEAPON....I didn't. I was then swat team style violently taken to the ground by 6 security. I am screaming "get off me I cannot breath" ! Dozens of doc's nurse and patients see this and 1 doc screams at security, get off him your killing him, and they were. Finally they stand me up, and the ER doc on his break comes over. I see my wife pullup out front and say doc go talk to her, and he does. All the security were red faced, sweating, and embarrased. Cops (whom I know) show up and take me for an involuntary psych assessment. I see same ER doc, same psych nurse and now 2 cops in the same psych eval room. I say doc am I having Deja - Vu weren't we just here. He says, we were....and a laugh in his face. He leaves next a board certified psych doc comes and we we go through the same eval as 1 hr before. Again I 100% clear psych eval, and again get denied a bed, for the same 'policy'.... I laugh my ass off, and say I just had 2 clear psych evals in the last 1.5 hrs, and I am clear, that must make you the fuckin mental cases....I was released.

Again I go to front entrance of hospital and wait for my wife. I run into the cops, and say Travis can I sit in your cop car and keep warm, sorry Scott, but since you won't wear a mask, I cannot allow that...FFS and we walk over to a sign that says everyone must wear a mask EXCEPT those with a medical exemption that cannot wear one....I say see, right there it says what I have been saying all night, I am exempt. He says, OMG you have a "medical exemption" DUH.....I have been saying that and showing my exemption all night, are you all fucking retarded, mental, need a psych eval. He apologizes, wife picks me up. Took 2 weeks for my complex ptsd to calm down....FUCKERZ !!! My GP thinks the security assault gave me a stroke, and tries to me an emergency MRI, and that clusterfuck is another story. Next day I see my psychiatrist of the last 25 years, a great guy whom we had tons of laughs over the last 25 years. I tell him all the above. He says he plays hockey with the head ER doc that treated me, and says he has a wicked temper....no shit Grant I experienced it, I am going to sue him, the hospital the Paladin Security...He says as you rightfully should. Saw him 2 more times as he retired, and then he said, I hope I never gave you the impression anything seriously mental was wrong with you. You just had severe ptsd, mostly treated from the child sexual assaults u endured by that suicided Scout leader....and we both retired from the BS of psychiatry.

Saw my psychologists for another 2 months and ended that malarky too.... I am sure the psychologists & psychiatrists now have a life time of work over the entire tyranny of covid !!

Sorry for the long reply....

Finch · 2024-02-09T00:31:38Z

Gator Response to Aninarchy (sorry spelled wrong typing fast in edit)

You should write a book! What a horrific experience!!!

Talk about making PTSD that much worse! But really, what the medical community is now doing, is a true form of rape. They experiment on us like lab animals, and you are really lucky they didn't put you on involuntary hold and "snow" you (where they drug you beyond belief with antipsychotics for 72 hours at least in states).

Hospitals are terrifying everywhere now. I have informed my husband that if I ever get sick and pass out, let me die. No hospitals.

Here in Ecuador, my husband had to go to hospital (only once) for an upper respiratory condition, like asthma, just to get oxygen (we now have our own generator). In 2020. We already have PTSD from hospitals, and the insanity of 2020, well ... But in the USA they do not allow even a family member in room! So they can kill more efficiently. Fortunately in Ecuador they never did that to family members. Back to story, Of course we are still outside ER and the nurses are SHRIEKING covid and visibly freaking out. I explain it is asthma he has had for 30 years (I have to do this in SPanish and not fluent), and he just needs oxygen. Doctor comes out and had more success (he was not panicking). I told him I am a doctor as well (not medical, didn't volunteer that info), he just needs o2, and they put us in what may have once been a warehouse or ambulance supply? area, with a tank of oxygen and chair. And left. We took care of it ourselves, and went home in 15 minutes (you don't pay the hospitals, they refuse it if you offer them money). The nurse (who returned when I said we were leaving) even refused to touch the nasal canula and we had to discard it.

It is never good to be well adjusted in a sick society. PTSD is the result of someone who can still think critically (and someone with a soul), in a post-logical world (seriously academia spouts post-reason or post-logic as a goal rather than a tragedy) . While pschiatry psychology is a despicable lie (they vote on creating illnesses once they get a drug they want to sell for some reason, there is ZERO objectivity in assessments etc.), they use it well to control populations. Leon Festinger, cognitive dissonance. That is what they've been doing to us, causing cognitive dissonace (a virus doesn't travel while you are chewing in a restaurant but does when you go to pay the check), as just ONE form of gaslighting (they use multiple gaslighting techniques as well), the whole intent is to force compliance ... re-read 1984 ... until you literally stop thinking for yourself entirely. Because if you don't know it is all by design, and the result of a lot of research (and most don't realize this), they blame themselves for being the outlier.

Gator · 2024-02-09T17:50:59Z

Finch Thanks so very much for your message. I agree with all of your points, and it was just so damn strange watching the world melt down in fear & panic over a so-called virus that had a 99.97% survival rate. I was wide awake well before covid hit, and could see the incredible psyop techniques used to coerce, bully & mandate those sheep into taking the death jabs. My immediate family did not take the jabs at all.

Yes hospitals can be very scary places at times. Unfortunately I had the former lead singer of our band attend rehearsal in my studio and he showed up sick with covid and didn't tell anyone. Next day my wife and I were rather sick for a week. Then I developed a blood clot in my leg that travelled into my heart and lodged in my lungs. The clots have now grown into the arteries, and have to be removed by a very specialized surgery only done in Toronto here in Canada with about a 6 month waiting list. I am grateful I didn't die because the size and amount of clots are often fatal. I have one more test I have to go to Vancouver to get from our home in Kelowna.

I highly recommend this book, as it is a blend of 1984 and Huxley's Brave New World, but its not fiction, and it also shows what we are witnessing with those being jab being mindless. The book posits the spike protein attacks the autobiographical storage area of the brain in the hippocampus. The book is truly fascinating, written by a german doctor, who recently appeared on Del Big Tree's show The Highwire.

All the best...ps. I am sure we will win this war against humanity !!

The Highwire Show: [Link]
The Indoctrinated Brain: [Link]

Finch · 2024-02-09T18:05:48Z

Gator From your lips, literally to God's ears, I hope you are correct. I'm familiar with the autobiographical info being rewritten, but only from the jab, not from exposure to the cov-ban technology. But given your clots etc., yikes, sounds super scary! I've had what they call cov-body area network three times now, last time I was SO grateful I had an o2 machine. But no other issues. My husband is seemingly immune, 80+, go figure. The wait times in Canada ... how horrendous! For something this vital there should be NO wait!

Gator · 2024-02-10T17:04:41Z

Finch Yeah the wait times suck in Canada with socalized medicine. All the best...

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