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Harrison Koehli co-hosts SOTT Radio Network's MindMatters, and is an editor for Red Pill Press. He has been interviewed on several North American radio shows about his writings on the study of ponerology. In addition to music and books, Harrison enjoys tobacco and bacon (often at the same time) and dislikes cell phones, vegetables, and fascists (commies too).
Born and raised in New York City, Elan has been an editor for SOTT.net since 2014 and is a co-host for MindMatters. He enjoys seeing and sharing what's true about our profoundly and rapidly changing world.
Adam joined the editorial team in 2014 and is a co-host of MindMatters. His particular interests include philosophy, history, exercise science, and technology. He particularly dislikes Critical Race Theory and people who're so afraid of death that they prevent others from living. He also knows kung fu.
Reader Comments
danbaron I am interested in your contradictory statement because I am a contrary kinda guy myself.
But frankly I am sick of videos, my mind apparently works faster than 99% of the population and they NEVER get to the freaking point !! Not to mention the crap music most videos insist on inserting just to add the the nausea... hey, ad nauseum !
Here's the actual answer, yes we have free will to choose all the unimportant garbage that doesn't matter.
Here in modern slavery I mean society, where we are simply caged farm animals who have never even wimpered as the snake fed reserve started in 1913 - and subsequently slow-boiled us into oblivion with tax upon tax upon tax...
Time is money - actually way more important than money and the tribe stole your life with banksters and real estate price-fixing parasites... retire... then realize you are too old to do anything and die of cancer never knowing your real nature.
Merry Christmas from mister scrooge.
But frankly I am sick of videos, my mind apparently works faster than 99% of the population and they NEVER get to the freaking point !! Not to mention the crap music most videos insist on inserting just to add the the nausea... hey, ad nauseum !
Here's the actual answer, yes we have free will to choose all the unimportant garbage that doesn't matter.
Here in modern slavery I mean society, where we are simply caged farm animals who have never even wimpered as the snake fed reserve started in 1913 - and subsequently slow-boiled us into oblivion with tax upon tax upon tax...
Time is money - actually way more important than money and the tribe stole your life with banksters and real estate price-fixing parasites... retire... then realize you are too old to do anything and die of cancer never knowing your real nature.
Merry Christmas from mister scrooge.
scrutinizer "VERIZON COMMERCIAL 2022 | TIS THE SEASON: FREE 5G PHONE | CECILY STRONG | PAUL GIAMATTI | SCROOGE" [Link] - the scrooge
danbaron Joshua 24:15 "But if serving the LORD seems undesirable to you, then choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your ancestors served beyond the Euphrates, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you are living. But as for me and my household, we will serve the LORD.”
danbaron I am interested in your contradictory statement because I am a contrary kinda guy myself.scrutinizer - I've only half-way woken up today, but that was the funniest thing I've read in awhile!
But frankly I am sick of videos, my mind apparently works faster than 99% of the population and they NEVER get to the freaking point !! Not to mention the crap music most videos insist on inserting just to add the the nausea... hey, ad nauseum !
Here's the actual answer, yes we have free will to choose all the unimportant garbage that doesn't matter.
Here in modern slavery I mean society, where we are simply caged farm animals who have never even wimpered as the snake fed reserve started in 1913 - and subsequently slow-boiled us into oblivion with tax upon tax upon tax...
Time is money - actually way more important than money and the tribe stole your life with banksters and real estate price-fixing parasites... retire... then realize you are too old to do anything and die of cancer never knowing your real nature.
Merry Christmas from mister scrooge.
Thanks,
Ken
scrutinizer
But in regard to the denial of free will, I'd like to quote the evil fossil (Kissinger):
Their idea of the human mind as blank slate at birth is another of their abysmal failures.
I am interested in your contradictory statement because I am a contrary kinda guy myself.I suppose you would not be here otherwise.
But in regard to the denial of free will, I'd like to quote the evil fossil (Kissinger):
“It is not a matter of what is true that counts, but a matter of what is perceived to be true.”You just gotta believe you have no free will, to be a happy slave.
Their idea of the human mind as blank slate at birth is another of their abysmal failures.
codis - I like to think that I can think for myself.
I consider it free will.
If others suppose it is otherwise, that is their choice.
Their free will.
I like to think about this and that....
I like to dream.
I like good things and a roll in the hay,
I like eating and drinking...
I like playing for eff sake...
did you see the snow yesterday...
in the 4th quarter?
I like this and that and I like to think
about thinking and
free will is given
in my mind.
BK, Poem of the Day, 121822 1221
I consider it free will.
If others suppose it is otherwise, that is their choice.
Their free will.
I like to think about this and that....
I like to dream.
I like good things and a roll in the hay,
I like eating and drinking...
I like playing for eff sake...
did you see the snow yesterday...
in the 4th quarter?
I like this and that and I like to think
about thinking and
free will is given
in my mind.
BK, Poem of the Day, 121822 1221
Dorothy54 - that is slick Dorothy54 - I give it 65-35 odds as spam, and that is the benefit of the doubt.
Place your bets on Dorothy54 pushing payment for this or that.
BK
Place your bets on Dorothy54 pushing payment for this or that.
BK
scrutinizer Well stated.
Not only is free will crushed by the very nature of our society, just think of all the incredibly insidious parasites out there. Some with amazing powers of control over their host, Toxoplasmosis comes to mind......
Not only is free will crushed by the very nature of our society, just think of all the incredibly insidious parasites out there. Some with amazing powers of control over their host, Toxoplasmosis comes to mind......
Dwoods44 Indeed the dark humor is a reflection of our times. I think we haven't reached the nadir of this 5th gen. warfare and depopulation agenda yet. Once we achieve 14% of total worldwide human realization that the predation is a deadly serious matter and who is responsible, will the light at the end of the tunnel show us the best way forward. clif-high thinks this will take about 20 years. Not sure that with all the Earth changes we will have 20 years. Either way, we may be in this for the long haul.
It depends how the person defines it as they perceive it. Perception defines our reality so the magic is in how we perceive the matrix construct. The matrix OS allows some forms of free will. We all have choices to make that can effect us or they won’t effect us. We have habits/rules/laws/personal morality or we choose none. The controllers of the demiurge dictate a lot but not all. We still all have options/choices, we may not like them, agree with them but there is freedom to make choices. I suspect the controllers obviously don’t want people to figure out how it works or else they wouldn’t be doubling down trying to digitally control the whole panopticon matrix with “TIA” (Total Information Awareness) since they want more control - power. Is it perfect, no not hardly but we do have the ability to make choices & freedoms to consent or reject.
adanie15 - that a bit circular but seems true to me.
Of course, take it or leave it how it seems to me because was it stated with free will or not?
Circular, but correct I reckon....
who knows....but winds are blowing and free will is given. If you don't think you have it, then you don't I suppose.
Of course, take it or leave it how it seems to me because was it stated with free will or not?
Circular, but correct I reckon....
who knows....but winds are blowing and free will is given. If you don't think you have it, then you don't I suppose.
VooDoo6 - I think the "matrix" is an imaginary construct in the first place and I chose neither pill.
I chose - "other".
Free will is something we all have and if you want to argue others don't have free will, then obviously you don't either - so seems like a pointless argument unless we are all just robots or some think we are?
I refute that.
I chose - "other".
Free will is something we all have and if you want to argue others don't have free will, then obviously you don't either - so seems like a pointless argument unless we are all just robots or some think we are?
I refute that.
Buffalo_Ken Yeah, I deleted my comment because I decided VooDoo6's post didn't really need my comment for clarification.
adanie15 - that follow-up is appreciated by me and uh....do you really know karate?
I really appreciate the sentiment you all share and I swear I could use this as qualifying for continuing education credits.
Thanks,
BK
I really appreciate the sentiment you all share and I swear I could use this as qualifying for continuing education credits.
Thanks,
BK
Buffalo_Ken - I mean kung fu.....
sorry....but accuracy demands the correction and the opportunity to make an edit was lost...
2023 - what a mystery, but as a devout taker of neither the red pill nor the blue, let me say objectively - I think it will be better for us.
Best to you,
Ken
sorry....but accuracy demands the correction and the opportunity to make an edit was lost...
2023 - what a mystery, but as a devout taker of neither the red pill nor the blue, let me say objectively - I think it will be better for us.
Best to you,
Ken
Buffalo_Ken You're welcome for the follow up. If by karate you mean martial arts, then yes.
Yeah, wouldn't mind if it was recognized in some kind of official way. But this is to satisfy my own curiosity so I'm okay that all I get out of it is a better understanding of different thinkers, ideas, the universe, and even my own mind.
Just hope others enjoy our discussions as much as we do and learn something as well.
Edit: Just saw your newest comment. No worries on the mixup.
Yeah, wouldn't mind if it was recognized in some kind of official way. But this is to satisfy my own curiosity so I'm okay that all I get out of it is a better understanding of different thinkers, ideas, the universe, and even my own mind.
Just hope others enjoy our discussions as much as we do and learn something as well.
Edit: Just saw your newest comment. No worries on the mixup.
Free will defines us as travelers within a fixed and unchangeable reality. It's up to us how we respond to this fixed reality.
Free will does exist. Or does it?! Back in the 50s a Hopi man was telling an english speaking person a "prophecy" that a "Great Spirit" was going to create a man that said: "I know better than The Great Spirit, so I'll make myself a woman"; The Great Spirit will also create a woman who shall say the same." Granted it was the 50s and the English speaking one thought the old Indian guy was off his rocker or smoked too much of whatever was in his pipe. If this info can somehow co-relate the notion of a "Creator G-D"; then, no. There is no free will and all is pre-destined.
May as well ask.. what is 'will'? We would all have different answer. Free as defined by what? We are bound by economic slavery.
Wealth... is not an answer.
So, 'free will'?
How does education or nutrition define 'free will'? A full belly always helps determine that.
It is my will, to be free but that does not change my environment at all.
Meditation will cast off, the chains of perception. Dwelling on the primordial chord, inside us all.
Now that is free will.
Wealth... is not an answer.
So, 'free will'?
How does education or nutrition define 'free will'? A full belly always helps determine that.
It is my will, to be free but that does not change my environment at all.
Meditation will cast off, the chains of perception. Dwelling on the primordial chord, inside us all.
Now that is free will.
parzival - I think in France they tried that voting booth out, and what did it lead to? I mean where are we now after all that trouble?
Still, in 2023 if they think they can keep the fucking snowpile of lies intact, not only will it melt, but they got another thing coming.
I don't know about you, but metaphorically speaking, I'm ready for all out war.
I play to win mind you and I play for keeps and I'm fedup because
one lie too many is one lie too much.
So now the baton is in our hands and for Christ's sake how about we make a difference for the better.....
you got your way, I got mine, but I play for keeps and I remember.
Still, in 2023 if they think they can keep the fucking snowpile of lies intact, not only will it melt, but they got another thing coming.
I don't know about you, but metaphorically speaking, I'm ready for all out war.
I play to win mind you and I play for keeps and I'm fedup because
one lie too many is one lie too much.
So now the baton is in our hands and for Christ's sake how about we make a difference for the better.....
you got your way, I got mine, but I play for keeps and I remember.
Buffalo_Ken That past revolution by France was subsumed by Freemason Nobility and Royalty, however the common man did benefit greatly from the new freedoms that they won for themselves. As for myself, I am prepared to find more allies and to stand my ground. I'm prepared to bug-in and have the necessary means to keep alive and strong for the first 90 days of any conflagration. After that, it's anybody's guess.
Buffalo_Ken Here's a little concert from a guy I've been following for the last dozen years from Scotland. It'll put a smile on your face... [Link]
earthwatcher Indeed! No free speech provisions to protect anyone in the UK, Canada, Oz & Kiwiland...
parzival - In regards to earthwatcher ' s link above, I have a question especially after watching the video very well done by the person who was confronted by the authorities - I would have appreciated hearing the rest of the conversation, but no matter I reckon. Here is my quesiton:
Is it the location the post was posted from that serves as legal evidence in these matters regarding ideas expressed or is it the country for which you are a citizen of regardless of where the post was posted?
Because apparently, in some countries there is legal code codified that expressing one's opinions might merit a visit from authorities and so I'm curious if this jurisdiction is just within the country's borders or if it applies regardless where one resides depending upon the country they are citizen - not to mention dual-citizens and all the troubles entailed by that "greyness".
In the case of Julian Assange, this sort of legal nuance is most important, and really quite serious.
So, I'm curious about this and if anybody knows with some sense of definitiveness, I'd appreciate reading about it. As it is, if you think about, if more and more folks start expressing indignity directly, do you think they have enough folks on staff to spend the funds to go out and talk to each and every one indignant? I really think they have lost their minds, and in 2023 I suspect this will become more evident collectively.
Ken
Is it the location the post was posted from that serves as legal evidence in these matters regarding ideas expressed or is it the country for which you are a citizen of regardless of where the post was posted?
Because apparently, in some countries there is legal code codified that expressing one's opinions might merit a visit from authorities and so I'm curious if this jurisdiction is just within the country's borders or if it applies regardless where one resides depending upon the country they are citizen - not to mention dual-citizens and all the troubles entailed by that "greyness".
In the case of Julian Assange, this sort of legal nuance is most important, and really quite serious.
So, I'm curious about this and if anybody knows with some sense of definitiveness, I'd appreciate reading about it. As it is, if you think about, if more and more folks start expressing indignity directly, do you think they have enough folks on staff to spend the funds to go out and talk to each and every one indignant? I really think they have lost their minds, and in 2023 I suspect this will become more evident collectively.
Ken
Buffalo_Ken That past revolution by France was subsumed by Freemason Nobility and Royalty, however the common man did benefit greatly from the new freedoms that they won for themselves. As for myself, I am prepared to find more allies and to stand my ground. I'm prepared to bug-in and have the necessary means to keep alive and strong for the first 90 days of any conflagration. After that, it's anybody's guess.parzival - have you seen this movie?
[Link] - Délicieux
I think it speaks to changes happening present day - like the clock ticking around again moving a little faster ( as discussed in the video above which I finished watching and send thanks ). My Solstice hope is this time around lessons learned and getting to the "objective" of the folk won't get muddied because actions taken are precise.
Happy Solstice,
Ken
Buffalo_Ken So far I haven't been visited by any fascists in fancy uniforms and I have been freely expressing myself about injustice in this world my whole life. I never cared about what would happen to me at all otherwise I would not have been outspoken. I even spoke against the Russian and Slovak mafia back in 1999 when I was working in Topolcany, Slovakia; I had my letter printed in the local newspaper (in the Slovak language). I grew up in a communist country and it was a common practice for police officers to visit people who spoke against the communist government. My father was one of those people. I remember my parents fighting about this a lot because mom was afraid that dad was going to be arrested. The police did come visit once and I remember dad taking us into the washroom, after they left, to talk about what happened, he was afraid that our place was bugged and the washroom was the only place the police bastards did not enter. I am very much aware of the effect of tyranny on people and this time around, in Canada, I will not keep silent either. The thing is that the thugs in uniforms, and the rest of the gang (government, judges, fake health experts etc.) that gave themselves extra powers over us, have absolutely no power over me and never will. They are just poor bastards who are afraid to think for themselves.
There is no justice system in Canada so there is no point to even talk about the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, and this we have seen at the Emergencies Act inquiry. Lawyers are useless in this country and so is the justice (injustice) system.
There is no justice system in Canada so there is no point to even talk about the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, and this we have seen at the Emergencies Act inquiry. Lawyers are useless in this country and so is the justice (injustice) system.
Buffalo_Ken Indeed collectively. I think that if that person that had a visit from the Trudeau thought police might be hassled if he posted his posts in another country and then came home to Canada. All of that is so meaningless. I once wrote a e-mail to the Congress person in the district I am living in, and in the e-mail I mentioned that there would be a reckoning one day for all politicians judged to be unfit for service and voted out of office. Wouldn't you know it, that Congress critter had the local cops show up at my landlady's house and ask her questions about me...
Buffalo_Ken Hey Ken, thanks for the link! That looks like a fun flick, and I'll have to check it out one day. I'd like to go to a place like Cantal. I've only been to Paris, the surrounding burbs and Brittany. Great hope for the solstice. I concur.
Happy solstice to you & all my SOTT brothers & sisters!
Happy solstice to you & all my SOTT brothers & sisters!
earthwatcher
A lot of marriages were divorced in the years after the Berlin wall fell - the common StaSi archives were opened, and available for view on request. An awful lot of folks realized they were sounded out for years by spouses and family members.
The police did come visit once and I remember dad taking us into the washroom, after they left, to talk about what happened, he was afraid that our place was bugged and the washroom was the only place the police bastards did not enter.They could have learned from the East German StaSi, which was 100% the successor of the GeStaPo. Because both relied on "informal contributors" a.k.a snitches.
A lot of marriages were divorced in the years after the Berlin wall fell - the common StaSi archives were opened, and available for view on request. An awful lot of folks realized they were sounded out for years by spouses and family members.
codis Oh yes, the snitches, they were everywhere. My father's best friend was one of them, that was the reason why the police made a visit to our place. My parents were trying to escape and of course my father told his friend. We lived in a small village, Devin, and everyone knew each other. The second time when we tried to escape through Yugoslavia we succeeded, and it's only because this time my father told no one, even when he got drunk. When the communist regime collapsed (it was planned by Gorbachev, another Globalist) and when my dad went back to Czechoslovakia to visit his family, he went to say hello to his friend, the traitor, they both acted as if nothing had happened. It was just this weirdest thing to witness, my father even stayed at their place for a few days. My father used to listen to Radio Free Europe from Germany, and he would turn on the volume so high that all the neighbors near by could hear it. He didn't give a shit. I think I got his rebel genes because I don't give a shit either. One of the hardest things I witnessed during the plandemic was seeing men hiding behind the face muzzles and lining up with their children for the poison at extermination clinics. Right there I knew that the end of humanity was near.
When I look at what humans has done all these years to one another, the never ending wars and conflicts and suffering and death, and now the Covid bullshit, my God, all that pain was for nothing. It's December 22, 2022, and humanity has not progressed spiritually at all, and unfortunately, it never will.
When I look at what humans has done all these years to one another, the never ending wars and conflicts and suffering and death, and now the Covid bullshit, my God, all that pain was for nothing. It's December 22, 2022, and humanity has not progressed spiritually at all, and unfortunately, it never will.
earthwatcher I beg to differ. Maybe not all of humanity has 'progressed spiritually.' A very tiny few have, and that'll have to be enough...
earthwatcher I would be surprised if Czechoslovakia had been different at that time. Not really a surprise to me ...
I would have never trusted such a person again, not even speaking to him. I have laredy such a list.
Some folks will never learn, and progress.We have irrefutable proof of that now.
But some do, I think.
What would that be for a test if everybody passes ...
Anyway, seizing the opprotunity...
Being away from home, access to internet here is cumbersome and difficult. I will start to post more around New Year's eve, I guess.
So, a Merry Christmas to you, and everybody else here on SOTT !!!
... my dad went back to Czechoslovakia to visit his family, he went to say hello to his friend, the traitor, they both acted as if nothing had happened.A thing I could never do.
I would have never trusted such a person again, not even speaking to him. I have laredy such a list.
When I look at what humans has done all these years to one another, the never ending wars and conflicts and suffering and death, and now the Covid bullshit, my God, all that pain was for nothing. It's December 22, 2022, and humanity has not progressed spiritually at all, and unfortunately, it never will.I partly agree.
Some folks will never learn, and progress.We have irrefutable proof of that now.
But some do, I think.
What would that be for a test if everybody passes ...
Anyway, seizing the opprotunity...
Being away from home, access to internet here is cumbersome and difficult. I will start to post more around New Year's eve, I guess.
So, a Merry Christmas to you, and everybody else here on SOTT !!!
Buffalo_Ken Here's a little concert from a guy I've been following for the last dozen years from Scotland. It'll put a smile on your face... [Link]parzival - just started listening....
in the future......
via free will!
Ken
parzival If the cops ever show up at my place this is exactly what I will do, and it's so simple. [Link]earthwatcher - I feel obliged to highlight the fine link above you posted.
I don't answer questionsI mean I've seen other discussion about not providing info to some entity wanting you to give them information, but this response is so simple and yet non-escalating in conversation, and when it can be done, it should be. Plus, I made inquiries about how to quickly get the video going if one is in possession of one of these "smart devices" because it is important to be recording the event when it occurs, and probably would be advisable to practice starting a video of a conversation seamlessly just in case - you know....as a contingency. Alternatively, one can always have recording devices in their own homes or in their own vehicles that are always recording the surrounding area just in case something unexpected occurs.
Anyhow, I've shared the wisdom of that 5th Amendment response to many others, so thanks for the link you provided.
Ken
ps - I should add, I did this with my wife a time or two, and we both know I was joking around, and it was funny.....but in general, I don't advise this approach with respect to family.
Buffalo_Ken You are welcome for the link. Usually the solution is quite simple, but we seem to complicate things in difficult situations, I know I have on many occasions especially when I was being kicked out of stores for not wearing the face muzzle.
Pre-destination is used as a reason for becoming unaccountable for ones own choices or actions.
If free will doesn't exist why do we differentiate between murder and manslaughter (killing without premeditation)?? Choices demands our freewill....or why say "I could of avoided that had I known" which concludes freewill can be diminished by outside force, but that is not to say freewill plays no part, forcing someone's hand is a challenge to sone ones freewill.
You choose what to drink, what and when to eat, when to sleep or when to fight your tiredness, free will does exist, but I can see why this topic needs to be on the table, currently open for debate.
If free will does not exist then how can you be presented with choices that require both consideration and agreements?
Does asking a question automatically force others to answer?
If free will doesn't exist why do we differentiate between murder and manslaughter (killing without premeditation)?? Choices demands our freewill....or why say "I could of avoided that had I known" which concludes freewill can be diminished by outside force, but that is not to say freewill plays no part, forcing someone's hand is a challenge to sone ones freewill.
You choose what to drink, what and when to eat, when to sleep or when to fight your tiredness, free will does exist, but I can see why this topic needs to be on the table, currently open for debate.
If free will does not exist then how can you be presented with choices that require both consideration and agreements?
Does asking a question automatically force others to answer?
If it times out on edit I just hit add comment anyway.....
My freewill did that!! I wasn't coerced, forced not to, or threatened to do so.
My freewill did that!! I wasn't coerced, forced not to, or threatened to do so.
We each create our own reality driven by our mind, which is driven by our habits of viewing reality in "our own Bubble".
No we are not free, to understand that all are driven by their accumulated habits, gives us an opportunity for tolerance and understanding, this is the basis of Karma, or repetitive nature to see things and believe things without any objective perspective, All is perceived based upon our habit. Because of this we are too easily manipulated, and we can't see the manipulation until we see our habit of seeing things only one way.
If we break free of our habitual tendency to only see reality from only our mind, and can free ourselves, from that limitation, we can develop compassion for all those trapped by the trappings of their egocentric minds, and begin to realize true freedom.
This is achieved by changing our view, and not thinking we can change those around us. True Freedom comes from within, and as Einstein has said, we break free of this limitation by developing compassion for all living Beings.
No we are not free, to understand that all are driven by their accumulated habits, gives us an opportunity for tolerance and understanding, this is the basis of Karma, or repetitive nature to see things and believe things without any objective perspective, All is perceived based upon our habit. Because of this we are too easily manipulated, and we can't see the manipulation until we see our habit of seeing things only one way.
If we break free of our habitual tendency to only see reality from only our mind, and can free ourselves, from that limitation, we can develop compassion for all those trapped by the trappings of their egocentric minds, and begin to realize true freedom.
This is achieved by changing our view, and not thinking we can change those around us. True Freedom comes from within, and as Einstein has said, we break free of this limitation by developing compassion for all living Beings.
Just above, a new poster, name of Dorothy has a bio as such:
Greatest home earning method for all of you if you really want to makes extra dollars every week online. i have joined this job 3 months agoNow - does this seem like "spam" to you or if even not that, somebody sort of fixated on currency?
Buffalo_Ken - So, sons of bitches, Dorothy has been deleted unless my eyes deceive me, which I'll admit has happened, but anyhow, now I'm sure some of what I typed makes no sense, but figure it out for yourselves!
Oh well, with free will comes conviction that decisions matter.
Oh well, with free will comes conviction that decisions matter.
I'm 9:16 in on this so far, and that means 9 minutes and 16 seconds, and let me burst your bubble - there is no such thing as a theory of everything. Seriously - no explanation for the fact that nothing is everything and if you doubt that, then prove me wrong.
Now any proof to prove that nothing is not everything I put forth does not comprehend the uncertainty of both zero and infinity, and because there is uncertainty there, and there always will be, there will never be a theory of "everything" other than in the minds of the ones proposing such theory, but logically, it is evidently untrue. Because, by definition, everything as infinity will never be understood, and so perhaps, the better path is one that acknowledges uncertainty and does so with humility.
Now any proof to prove that nothing is not everything I put forth does not comprehend the uncertainty of both zero and infinity, and because there is uncertainty there, and there always will be, there will never be a theory of "everything" other than in the minds of the ones proposing such theory, but logically, it is evidently untrue. Because, by definition, everything as infinity will never be understood, and so perhaps, the better path is one that acknowledges uncertainty and does so with humility.
dependent on the individual perhaps, a myriad of spheres of limited free will, subject to the attachment.
In Gurdjieff’s system, one of the first tenants is that man in general does not have will. To have will you must create it. This connects to our having 3 or 4 brains that represent different domains of information and action, and therefore our multiplicity. However, the first step was to get a man or woman to accept that as a fact for themselves. The most direct way was to create an aim to accomplish something not mechanical consistently for a period of time. It usually is something simple, but not common behavior. For example, if you always say the word “basically”, make the aim to not say it. If you always become negative, when someone is slow in front of you, make the aim to not. Then you observe. The first observation is that without a direction, things happen and because of habit they happen in a certain way. When things don’t happen in a certain way, something becomes negative.
The understanding that man and woman consist of multiple brains, including higher functions makes understanding possible. The four lower centers of intellectual, moving, instinctive and emotional have domains of information. They have levels of action that require directed attention, drawn attention, and mechanical attention. Finally they have different speeds of function that are different by magnitudes of thousands. These different speeds of action can be seen in activity like driving a car when an event occurs, like the car’s brake lights in front of you. You to not think, “I am going to put my foot to the brake pedal”, your instinctive mind has already processed the danger of the event and stimulated the moving mind to respond and press the brake pedal. Your intellectual mind follows with an exclamation, “Oh crap”.
However, because all of this activity goes on without self-observation, one says “I barely stopped in time.” One needs to observe oneself. For example, I volunteered to go to a friend’s house to help move some heavy furniture. An individual came into the room and walked toward me. In a moment I was half way across the room, when the intellectual brain thought “I will help over here”. What happened? My instinctive and moving brains responded to the individual as if they were a threat, and my intellectual brain buffered the reaction. What does it mean? Libet’s experiments are worthless because they make assumptions about a single brain acting, as well as being myopic in terms of examining will.
How is will developed? Primarily in Gurdjieff’s or Ouspensky’s groups there were work situations that involved physical work, like tilling a garden, building a structure or cleaning. This can be seen as an octave in which intervals will occur as in the musical octave. Will is built by bridging the intervals. How does the interval appear? You no longer are aware of the direction of the octave. It can be imagination entering, anger at someone who is not working, tiredness, etc. What is the essence of building will? All the brains are brought together in the activity, connecting and unifying direction. How does will relate to consciousness? Consciousness is awareness of oneself and the world around one. If the direction is to raise your consciousness, which may be the only real choice you have, then you need to develop will by centering yourself.
Christ’s teaching is clear, if your eye, your direction, is unified toward connection to a Higher Power, then you will be filled with light, consciousness.
The understanding that man and woman consist of multiple brains, including higher functions makes understanding possible. The four lower centers of intellectual, moving, instinctive and emotional have domains of information. They have levels of action that require directed attention, drawn attention, and mechanical attention. Finally they have different speeds of function that are different by magnitudes of thousands. These different speeds of action can be seen in activity like driving a car when an event occurs, like the car’s brake lights in front of you. You to not think, “I am going to put my foot to the brake pedal”, your instinctive mind has already processed the danger of the event and stimulated the moving mind to respond and press the brake pedal. Your intellectual mind follows with an exclamation, “Oh crap”.
However, because all of this activity goes on without self-observation, one says “I barely stopped in time.” One needs to observe oneself. For example, I volunteered to go to a friend’s house to help move some heavy furniture. An individual came into the room and walked toward me. In a moment I was half way across the room, when the intellectual brain thought “I will help over here”. What happened? My instinctive and moving brains responded to the individual as if they were a threat, and my intellectual brain buffered the reaction. What does it mean? Libet’s experiments are worthless because they make assumptions about a single brain acting, as well as being myopic in terms of examining will.
How is will developed? Primarily in Gurdjieff’s or Ouspensky’s groups there were work situations that involved physical work, like tilling a garden, building a structure or cleaning. This can be seen as an octave in which intervals will occur as in the musical octave. Will is built by bridging the intervals. How does the interval appear? You no longer are aware of the direction of the octave. It can be imagination entering, anger at someone who is not working, tiredness, etc. What is the essence of building will? All the brains are brought together in the activity, connecting and unifying direction. How does will relate to consciousness? Consciousness is awareness of oneself and the world around one. If the direction is to raise your consciousness, which may be the only real choice you have, then you need to develop will by centering yourself.
Christ’s teaching is clear, if your eye, your direction, is unified toward connection to a Higher Power, then you will be filled with light, consciousness.
Part of the discussion concerned suffering and whether the impetus to evolve will and consciousness came from evil situations. The Tao de Ching reportedly came from Lao Tse leaving a descending and corrupt society and being asked by a guard to write down his wisdom.
If we look at history we’ve been taught, it seems that suffering and evil are always part of life. At the same time, it appears that much beauty, art, music and literature arose from such periods of conflict. Great Teachers like Buddha and Jesus appear to emerge at these turning points, as though they are bridging an interval for all of humanity so that consciousness and love continue to grow in civilization. They transform the negativity of the times, but that does not put an end to conflict or evil.
If you look at your own life, there is suffering throughout to various degrees. In terms of consciousness, what did and do you do with the suffering? If it turned you into a victim, it is useless suffering. That would mean you blame everything on events and people outside yourself. That would mean you are not accountable for your life and choices. If the suffering led and leads you to develop will and direction, your consciousness has grown. If the suffering led you to be more compassionate, conscience has grown.
In our current times, there is corruption and evil everywhere. Do you sit around, complain, criticize and blame? We each are accountable for what we stand for. What direction do you choose? Be the best you can be.
If we look at history we’ve been taught, it seems that suffering and evil are always part of life. At the same time, it appears that much beauty, art, music and literature arose from such periods of conflict. Great Teachers like Buddha and Jesus appear to emerge at these turning points, as though they are bridging an interval for all of humanity so that consciousness and love continue to grow in civilization. They transform the negativity of the times, but that does not put an end to conflict or evil.
If you look at your own life, there is suffering throughout to various degrees. In terms of consciousness, what did and do you do with the suffering? If it turned you into a victim, it is useless suffering. That would mean you blame everything on events and people outside yourself. That would mean you are not accountable for your life and choices. If the suffering led and leads you to develop will and direction, your consciousness has grown. If the suffering led you to be more compassionate, conscience has grown.
In our current times, there is corruption and evil everywhere. Do you sit around, complain, criticize and blame? We each are accountable for what we stand for. What direction do you choose? Be the best you can be.
Hey so I got about 40 minutes in and I'll watch the rest but do you know the response to this:
Simple.
The White House aide said that guys like me were "in what we call the reality-based community," which he defined as people who "believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality. That's not the way the world really works anymore," he continued. "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality — judiciously, as you will — we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors. And you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."- Ron SuskindTis simple - say to the fella you might have your plans in the future, but we got free will to think for ourselves and lets just see the outcome of your plans nefarious. Cause I ain't gonna waste my time studying harmful ones with no plan for the future, and if you think what you said then you will be left behind in the end.
Simple.
Buffalo_Ken I think when Ron said "we're history's actors. And you (meaning the ones who don't belong into the club), will be left to just study what we do.", he meant that they (the chosen ones) are the ones who create the future because they understand the past. Most humans (99%) don't understand how this reality works so they will only study what they do to us but won't be able to do anything major to influence the actions of the cabal. It is crucial to understand the past in order to be able to succeed in the fight against them, and this has nothing to do with violence. The thing is that we mostly exist in the past or future, and rarely in the present, however, the present time can be used to mold events that can affect the future. So, let's say that the gang in power sees in the future that more humans are rising up and rebelling against the gang (Globalists), which could have devastating effect on the future for the Globalists, so they have to create another situation in the present to pull back the rebels into their jail cells, and that's what they have been doing this whole time.
I found that statement interesting that Ron would be so open to what they are really up to. He seems like he is on top of the pyramid, otherwise he would not have said that.
I found that statement interesting that Ron would be so open to what they are really up to. He seems like he is on top of the pyramid, otherwise he would not have said that.
earthwatcher - the thing is, why do they want to hold onto power in the first place if all that power does is cause harm evident?
It seems to be free will for them and their choices for us, and frankly, that is unfair at the most base level.
Still, your point is well made, but I think if you turn the pyramid upside down, the mass from the base will break the top because otherwise it is very unstable. Moreover, even if the pyramid remains with a point on top, the atoms at the top must know they are only held up there by the many at the bottom.
Thanks,
Ken
It seems to be free will for them and their choices for us, and frankly, that is unfair at the most base level.
Still, your point is well made, but I think if you turn the pyramid upside down, the mass from the base will break the top because otherwise it is very unstable. Moreover, even if the pyramid remains with a point on top, the atoms at the top must know they are only held up there by the many at the bottom.
Thanks,
Ken
Just trying to put something into words that has been bothering me for a while, was thinking loads recently about Free Will and how to intact it in terms of actions, reactions to people, attitudes, and situations, to narrow it down, how best to act, how to use Will for a positive outcome. As I remember somewhere the saying - The main way the dark energies etc get at us, is through relationships, or something like that.
This thinking has come after some pretty bad experiences and is over simplifying stuff.. But it's hopefully making some sense, so here goes...
Basically, there seem to be 3 main things in terms of interaction with people, 3 variables.
Type of Attitude
Type of Response
Consequences
For example, (and I'm sure this is open to interpretation so it's a tricky one). But just for sake of argument..
A negative or bad attitude.. Stuff like, selfishness, jealousy, arrogance, pride, dishonesty, cruelty, ingratitude, resentment, lack of faith in God.
Positive Attitude or good, being things like kindness, caring, forgiveness, honesty, humility, thankfulness, understanding, faith and belief in God.
After conversations with others, got thinking bout this deeply in terms of actions, inactions and reactions to Attitudes, and Consequences. (In myself and others).
A Positive reaction as saying "Yes", and a Negative reaction as saying "No" to these Attitudes.
And also the subjectivity of Positivity and Negative in this context.
- "Yes" to positive attitude, increase in positive (eg 1+1 = 2)
- "Yes" to negative attitude, increase in negative (-1) + (-1) = (- 2)
- "No" to a negative attitude, neutralise the negative (-1) + (1) = 0
- "No" to a positive attitude, neutralise the positive (1) + (-1) = 0
In this context there seams to be no middle ground, it's either a neutral consequence or an amplification of positive or negative.
I'm embarrassingly bad at maths and sorry if I've got the numbers wrong lol, thought it was useful to illustrate the idea.
I've noticed this is reflected in life too however, as throughout life, a lot of my failings are the results of being unable to discern the difference between "good" and "bad" attitudes in myself and others, and react appropriately, due to emotional biases and wishful thinking mainly.
And my reactions of "Yes" to negativity, have caused big problems in my life and others.
Essentially, was saying yes to the negative or giving place to/being passive /advocating evil.
Also In this context, the response that produces by far the biggest negative consequence is saying "Yes" to negativity.
Which also seems to be reflected in our relationship with the outer world and the state of things, people en masse have said Yes to the negative.
And say depending on which you are coming from, STS or STO would depend on which response is preferable..
And/Or which resoponse is rewarded or punished?
As humans have chosen STS , it seems that if we choose to respond to negative attitudes by saying "No", in our realm, then this gives the STS permission to attack and punish us, because we gave our Free Will to STS.
So from their perspective saying "No" to negativity is "bad"..
In the same way that they reward those who say "Yes" to negativity... In their eyes it's "good".
(Only in the short term it seems, those who advocate evil seem to reap harmful stuff in the very long term).
Say hypothetically if I choose to align Free Will Consciously back with STO, or back to God, then these laws are the opposite , or turn to the positive eg
Now when I say "No" to negative it's Good to do this, and our lives improves and we are able to survive, it becomes rewarded. . In the long term.
And for those who give negativity a pass, or say "Yes", then there is reprimand instead.
In theory this is all fine, in reality though I'm finding it way more difficult to say "No" to negative people, family members, situations etc, because of causing trouble etc. It's a real challenge because of feelings of discomfort, pain and loss that result. I'm sure my way of saying "No" could do with a lot of work. But in the long term, have noticed that the results are more than beneficial even though it isn't easy.
Also I've looked back on my responses before now and realised without knowing, That I was saying "Yes" to negativity, being passive, just to avoid discomfort, because it was "easier"!
This thinking has come after some pretty bad experiences and is over simplifying stuff.. But it's hopefully making some sense, so here goes...
Basically, there seem to be 3 main things in terms of interaction with people, 3 variables.
Type of Attitude
Type of Response
Consequences
For example, (and I'm sure this is open to interpretation so it's a tricky one). But just for sake of argument..
A negative or bad attitude.. Stuff like, selfishness, jealousy, arrogance, pride, dishonesty, cruelty, ingratitude, resentment, lack of faith in God.
Positive Attitude or good, being things like kindness, caring, forgiveness, honesty, humility, thankfulness, understanding, faith and belief in God.
After conversations with others, got thinking bout this deeply in terms of actions, inactions and reactions to Attitudes, and Consequences. (In myself and others).
A Positive reaction as saying "Yes", and a Negative reaction as saying "No" to these Attitudes.
And also the subjectivity of Positivity and Negative in this context.
- "Yes" to positive attitude, increase in positive (eg 1+1 = 2)
- "Yes" to negative attitude, increase in negative (-1) + (-1) = (- 2)
- "No" to a negative attitude, neutralise the negative (-1) + (1) = 0
- "No" to a positive attitude, neutralise the positive (1) + (-1) = 0
In this context there seams to be no middle ground, it's either a neutral consequence or an amplification of positive or negative.
I'm embarrassingly bad at maths and sorry if I've got the numbers wrong lol, thought it was useful to illustrate the idea.
I've noticed this is reflected in life too however, as throughout life, a lot of my failings are the results of being unable to discern the difference between "good" and "bad" attitudes in myself and others, and react appropriately, due to emotional biases and wishful thinking mainly.
And my reactions of "Yes" to negativity, have caused big problems in my life and others.
Essentially, was saying yes to the negative or giving place to/being passive /advocating evil.
Also In this context, the response that produces by far the biggest negative consequence is saying "Yes" to negativity.
Which also seems to be reflected in our relationship with the outer world and the state of things, people en masse have said Yes to the negative.
And say depending on which you are coming from, STS or STO would depend on which response is preferable..
And/Or which resoponse is rewarded or punished?
As humans have chosen STS , it seems that if we choose to respond to negative attitudes by saying "No", in our realm, then this gives the STS permission to attack and punish us, because we gave our Free Will to STS.
So from their perspective saying "No" to negativity is "bad"..
In the same way that they reward those who say "Yes" to negativity... In their eyes it's "good".
(Only in the short term it seems, those who advocate evil seem to reap harmful stuff in the very long term).
Say hypothetically if I choose to align Free Will Consciously back with STO, or back to God, then these laws are the opposite , or turn to the positive eg
Now when I say "No" to negative it's Good to do this, and our lives improves and we are able to survive, it becomes rewarded. . In the long term.
And for those who give negativity a pass, or say "Yes", then there is reprimand instead.
In theory this is all fine, in reality though I'm finding it way more difficult to say "No" to negative people, family members, situations etc, because of causing trouble etc. It's a real challenge because of feelings of discomfort, pain and loss that result. I'm sure my way of saying "No" could do with a lot of work. But in the long term, have noticed that the results are more than beneficial even though it isn't easy.
Also I've looked back on my responses before now and realised without knowing, That I was saying "Yes" to negativity, being passive, just to avoid discomfort, because it was "easier"!
Just trying to put something into words that has been bothering me for a while, was thinking loads recently about Free Will and how to intact it in terms of actions, reactions to people, attitudes, and situations, to narrow it down, how best to act, how to use Will for a positive outcome. As I remember somewhere the saying - The main way the dark energies etc get at us, is through relationships, or something like that.Yes. Understand.
This thinking has come after some pretty bad experiences and is over simplifying stuff.. But it's hopefully making some sense, so here goes...
Basically, there seem to be 3 main things in terms of interaction with people, 3 variables.
Type of Attitude
Type of Response
Consequences
For example, (and I'm sure this is open to interpretation so it's a tricky one). But just for sake of argument..
A negative or bad attitude.. Stuff like, selfishness, jealousy, arrogance, pride, dishonesty, cruelty, ingratitude, resentment, lack of faith in God.
Positive Attitude or good, being things like kindness, caring, forgiveness, honesty, humility, thankfulness, understanding, faith and belief in God.
After conversations with others, got thinking bout this deeply in terms of actions, inactions and reactions to Attitudes, and Consequences. (In myself and others).
A Positive reaction as saying "Yes", and a Negative reaction as saying "No" to these Attitudes.
And also the subjectivity of Positivity and Negative in this context.
- "Yes" to positive attitude, increase in positive (eg 1+1 = 2)
- "Yes" to negative attitude, increase in negative (-1) + (-1) = (- 2)
- "No" to a negative attitude, neutralise the negative (-1) + (1) = 0
- "No" to a positive attitude, neutralise the positive (1) + (-1) = 0
In this context there seams to be no middle ground, it's either a neutral consequence or an amplification of positive or negative.
I'm embarrassingly bad at maths and sorry if I've got the numbers wrong lol, thought it was useful to illustrate the idea.
I've noticed this is reflected in life too however, as throughout life, a lot of my failings are the results of being unable to discern the difference between "good" and "bad" attitudes in myself and others, and react appropriately, due to emotional biases and wishful thinking mainly.
And my reactions of "Yes" to negativity, have caused big problems in my life and others.
Essentially, was saying yes to the negative or giving place to/being passive /advocating evil.
Also In this context, the response that produces by far the biggest negative consequence is saying "Yes" to negativity.
Which also seems to be reflected in our relationship with the outer world and the state of things, people en masse have said Yes to the negative.
And say depending on which you are coming from, STS or STO would depend on which response is preferable..
And/Or which resoponse is rewarded or punished?
As humans have chosen STS , it seems that if we choose to respond to negative attitudes by saying "No", in our realm, then this gives the STS permission to attack and punish us, because we gave our Free Will to STS.
So from their perspective saying "No" to negativity is "bad"..
In the same way that they reward those who say "Yes" to negativity... In their eyes it's "good".
(Only in the short term it seems, those who advocate evil seem to reap harmful stuff in the very long term).
Say hypothetically if I choose to align Free Will Consciously back with STO, or back to God, then these laws are the opposite , or turn to the positive eg
Now when I say "No" to negative it's Good to do this, and our lives improves and we are able to survive, it becomes rewarded. . In the long term.
And for those who give negativity a pass, or say "Yes", then there is reprimand instead.
In theory this is all fine, in reality though I'm finding it way more difficult to say "No" to negative people, family members, situations etc, because of causing trouble etc. It's a real challenge because of feelings of discomfort, pain and loss that result. I'm sure my way of saying "No" could do with a lot of work. But in the long term, have noticed that the results are more than beneficial even though it isn't easy.
Also I've looked back on my responses before now and realised without knowing, That I was saying "Yes" to negativity, being passive, just to avoid discomfort, because it was "easier"!
Attitude is the settled way of thinking or feeling about something or someone. Ego is a person's sense of self-esteem or self-importance & used by self to protect it’s core.
“ERO”
‘E-vents R-espouse O-utcome are the three. [Link] & [Link]
Attitude & Ego are the energy in others you sentiently observe & how people protect the self - belief’s/creeds/religions/expectations/ethos
We all suffer from dark shadows of trauma events sequela in some way. Just depends on how you learn/choose/adjust to deal with it.
Some compartmentalize, some release it, some use the pain/suffering to remind them.
You feel your strength in the experience of pain.
Happy poo In my view, it is useful to be clear in your own mind what words means, what is valuable, what is your intent, and what is the direction you are heading. This means that as you practice, observe, and understand, then any one of those can change and be adjusted as you understand more.
I like the Law of One(Ra books) ideas of service-to-others or service-to-self. In one way it simplifies the approach to raising your vibrations or energy. However, the first step is to define what they mean. As you note saying “yes” to negativity is not service-to-others. This also means saying “yes” to positivity is not service-to-others. Service-to-others means your intent is aligned with your action, you emotionally want to help another by making them lunch, not because of role or expectation of others or a belief you were taught or that you will receive a reward for “good” behavior. Clearly being a doormat for others to walk on is not STO.
In this area, even yes/no needs to be examined. This is primarily because our intellectual brain has levels of attendion; directed attention, attracted attention, mechanical attention. In the realm of mechanical attention of the intellectual brain, there is yes/no thinking, which does not perceive perspective or variables or results of action. In observing this “form” of thinking in oneself, it never leads to understanding. As you note, many nuances.
What is the meaning of service-to-self? What is true service-to-self? Does it feed your growth? Does it raise your energy? Does it lead to understanding? Does it lead to compassion? My meaning, is that STS is not merely greed, selfishness, me first, narcissism which is how it is taken. Service-to-self means you are becoming a better person. Service-to-others means others are becoming better people.
Happy and prosperous New Year everyone.
I like the Law of One(Ra books) ideas of service-to-others or service-to-self. In one way it simplifies the approach to raising your vibrations or energy. However, the first step is to define what they mean. As you note saying “yes” to negativity is not service-to-others. This also means saying “yes” to positivity is not service-to-others. Service-to-others means your intent is aligned with your action, you emotionally want to help another by making them lunch, not because of role or expectation of others or a belief you were taught or that you will receive a reward for “good” behavior. Clearly being a doormat for others to walk on is not STO.
In this area, even yes/no needs to be examined. This is primarily because our intellectual brain has levels of attendion; directed attention, attracted attention, mechanical attention. In the realm of mechanical attention of the intellectual brain, there is yes/no thinking, which does not perceive perspective or variables or results of action. In observing this “form” of thinking in oneself, it never leads to understanding. As you note, many nuances.
What is the meaning of service-to-self? What is true service-to-self? Does it feed your growth? Does it raise your energy? Does it lead to understanding? Does it lead to compassion? My meaning, is that STS is not merely greed, selfishness, me first, narcissism which is how it is taken. Service-to-self means you are becoming a better person. Service-to-others means others are becoming better people.
Happy and prosperous New Year everyone.
Here's to the pudding singing in the copper, the biggest goose ever and God blessing everyone!
Once a year I enjoy the reminder that mankind is my business.
Once a year I enjoy the reminder that mankind is my business.
Merry Christmas Adam Elan, Harrison, Luc and your many guests. Merry Christmas SOTT readers.
OK, lets do a poll to decide whether free will exists or not. Then it is "majority rules" maybe?
So here is the poll question.
Do you think you have free will:
Yes or No.
Choose one or the other.
If enough say they don't have free will, then I reckon it is settled?
~
now can't be denied that having a poll in the first place suggest free will exists, but lets pretend it don't and then depending on the answer we will either have free will, or we all will be dead I reckon....dead or robots with no free will....do you not see how it is circular? I feel sorry for all the ones answered "No" on the metaphorical poll above, because they must already be lost. I'll take my free will to my grave.
So here is the poll question.
Do you think you have free will:
Yes or No.
Choose one or the other.
If enough say they don't have free will, then I reckon it is settled?
~
now can't be denied that having a poll in the first place suggest free will exists, but lets pretend it don't and then depending on the answer we will either have free will, or we all will be dead I reckon....dead or robots with no free will....do you not see how it is circular? I feel sorry for all the ones answered "No" on the metaphorical poll above, because they must already be lost. I'll take my free will to my grave.
Buffalo_Ken Free will does exist(I vote ) with the precondition that one is aware that their decisions/convictions/beliefs can be influenced in such a way, to fool them into thinking they are exercising "free will", when they are not. In other words, the devil/saint/genius/fool whispering in the mind's "ear", is falsely claimed as the voice from one's self.
TBoris - well, like everything else free will is not "static" I suppose and always being refined in use.
Peace,
Ken
Peace,
Ken
Buffalo_Ken the thing is the answers to those questions are postulates that we build our worldwiews upon.
rakarb - so are you saying free will is only "of the mind"? Sort of like, if you think you have it, you do, but if you think you don't, then you don't? If you think you don't have free will, how can you even think at all? So, I don't understand anybody putting forth "they don't" and "we don't" have free will - it makes no sense unless it is all predestined, and there is no easy proof one way or the other. I choose free will and to put it all on the table.
Stepping back, is free will not similar to "consciousness"? Once you have it, then you have it, or at least you have it in your mind....after which, if you have consciousness, do you not have free will to be aware and make choices?
To me, oh and sorry Happy poo if I upset you, but I think free will is more than just individual - it is both individual and collective at the same time.
Put 10 people in a room and if 1 of them says - I control the rest of you and the other 9 obediently ascribe to that, then I suppose they sacrifice their free will to the 1 via the choice of obedience to another. But if 3 of the others say to the 1 - eff off , then I suppose they have collective free will amongst themselves and I suspect the other six would appreciate their view especially if the 1 was not beneficent nor magnanimous.
I don't think free will in humans can be viewed as strictly individual - I think it is collective to an extent, just like consciousness. I hope in 2023 individual and collective awareness grows exponentially because can you even have one without the other?
Happy New Year rekarb - it is has been a long and testy year indeed, and I don't know about you, but I'm ready for it to end.
BK
Stepping back, is free will not similar to "consciousness"? Once you have it, then you have it, or at least you have it in your mind....after which, if you have consciousness, do you not have free will to be aware and make choices?
To me, oh and sorry Happy poo if I upset you, but I think free will is more than just individual - it is both individual and collective at the same time.
Put 10 people in a room and if 1 of them says - I control the rest of you and the other 9 obediently ascribe to that, then I suppose they sacrifice their free will to the 1 via the choice of obedience to another. But if 3 of the others say to the 1 - eff off , then I suppose they have collective free will amongst themselves and I suspect the other six would appreciate their view especially if the 1 was not beneficent nor magnanimous.
I don't think free will in humans can be viewed as strictly individual - I think it is collective to an extent, just like consciousness. I hope in 2023 individual and collective awareness grows exponentially because can you even have one without the other?
Happy New Year rekarb - it is has been a long and testy year indeed, and I don't know about you, but I'm ready for it to end.
BK
Buffalo_Ken thanks for your (not intrusive) reply 😋
what i ment to say was merly that questions like eg; …, «does free will exist, does pure evil exist, does god exist, what is the meaning of life, etc» does not have any universal answers.
there are room for different interpretations.
when persons eg like you and me discuss various subjects and end up sqobbering, (imo) it often is because we build our views on slightly different buildingblocks.
what i ment to say was merly that questions like eg; …, «does free will exist, does pure evil exist, does god exist, what is the meaning of life, etc» does not have any universal answers.
there are room for different interpretations.
when persons eg like you and me discuss various subjects and end up sqobbering, (imo) it often is because we build our views on slightly different buildingblocks.
Buffalo_Ken Okay.. No worries, and admit I'm hypocritical sometime and can't count the number of times I've acted like a dick, I'm a professional dick head.
Ideally though, it's good, less stressful to share poems here freely, without worrying about people getting funny or making fuss about it for no sensible reason. You've shared your poems freely here without people giving you stress and rightly so.. (apart from me :P)
Just to say, didn't say that free will is just individual, in my mind it's difficult to separate the two, collective or individual.
As it's our inner realities that automatically create the outer collective reality, with thoughts, wishes, feelings, beliefs, words, desires and actions. just thinking about free will in the broader perspective, how it's ultimately down to each individual to choose which, STO or God, or STS.
Hypothetically say when we have the awareness, knowledge and being to know that there IS a choice, and choose STO, to choose God and give our free will to him naturally then our collective/outer reality could change, as the inner being would first change via positive thought which eventually translates into reality.
As a good person once said to me, if you want to see changes in the world, first start with yourself, and I'm finding that changing is really so very difficult and a real slow process, but that's okay
Ideally though, it's good, less stressful to share poems here freely, without worrying about people getting funny or making fuss about it for no sensible reason. You've shared your poems freely here without people giving you stress and rightly so.. (apart from me :P)
Just to say, didn't say that free will is just individual, in my mind it's difficult to separate the two, collective or individual.
As it's our inner realities that automatically create the outer collective reality, with thoughts, wishes, feelings, beliefs, words, desires and actions. just thinking about free will in the broader perspective, how it's ultimately down to each individual to choose which, STO or God, or STS.
Hypothetically say when we have the awareness, knowledge and being to know that there IS a choice, and choose STO, to choose God and give our free will to him naturally then our collective/outer reality could change, as the inner being would first change via positive thought which eventually translates into reality.
As a good person once said to me, if you want to see changes in the world, first start with yourself, and I'm finding that changing is really so very difficult and a real slow process, but that's okay
Maybe the real question is , in what way is the will "free"?
As in operational cost or absence of domination?
As in operational cost or absence of domination?
Jack Steinhoff - I would say as a refutation of domination versus absence of domination.
Free Will must require awareness...or at a minimum the ability to refute. To refuse what another wants you to do.
Free Will has no cost associated with it in my opinion, but awareness sometimes don't come easy because it can be painful.
Ken
Free Will must require awareness...or at a minimum the ability to refute. To refuse what another wants you to do.
Free Will has no cost associated with it in my opinion, but awareness sometimes don't come easy because it can be painful.
Ken
Fair enough and food for thought.
I can't agree with Free Will having no cost. Everything is paid for somehow, by someone. No free rides, ya know.
I can't agree with Free Will having no cost. Everything is paid for somehow, by someone. No free rides, ya know.
Jack Steinhoff "No such thing as a free lunch." Cyclical energy dispersion and then entropy conversion and turnover inversion. Zero point is too complicated to get started on.
I just thought of a poem I wrote around a decade ago. It's about neural plasticity expressed as an Earth metaphor:
Deep beneath the beating feet
Under crust with craggy teeth
Magma boils, churns, and seeps
Eager to go back to sleep
Plaster cracks, make granite meet
Solidify this earthly seat.
I just thought of a poem I wrote around a decade ago. It's about neural plasticity expressed as an Earth metaphor:
Deep beneath the beating feet
Under crust with craggy teeth
Magma boils, churns, and seeps
Eager to go back to sleep
Plaster cracks, make granite meet
Solidify this earthly seat.
Animanarchy I lean towards cynical energy distractions, entropic conversion sounds like a terrible religious experience I had once,...ONCE....heh,heh
great poem thanks for sharing.
great poem thanks for sharing.
Jack Steinhoff Sounds like something geeky sounding but meaningless I just made up for rhymes lol in case anyone wonders.
parzival - I think I share sentiment with voo-doo. I'm listening to this video now and thankyou.
Ken
Ken
Find out how free will is impossible.
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