When a man knows he is to be hanged in a fortnight it concentrates his mind wonderfully.
The symbols, created using a conical drill and smoothed with rounded tools, reflect a high degree of craftsmanship. I guess it ruins the agenda if...
[Link] The west/nato msm shift, drift, grift is in full swing on Syria. Makes it less hard to see who pulled the strings on this one.
Clif High: "SUV sized drones. Over Trump's property in NJ. Being launched from the ocean. Some of them messing with vehicle electronics....
I like the picture of the bear with what appears to be a Rolex in its mouth... Or a facsimile.
As brilliantly wrote this morning. Be the master of your will and the slave of your conscience. ~Marie von Ebner-Eschenbach I've opined several...
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MERRY SATURNALIA!! HO HO
This is exactly the same thing as when I shared the news a bout FM Zecharia Stichin’ books were all deemed a fraud by numerous scholastic scholars. He had ZERO accreditation of any schooling, experience deciphering Sumerian/Akkadian linguistics or semiotics yet was some how an alleged expert. People had that Deer in the Headlights look like no way, are you saying I got duped by a Charlatan then ? Lol yes that’s what I’m saying.
According to his official website, www.sitchin.com, he is “one of few scholars able to read and interpret ancient Sumerian and Akkadian clay tablets.” His interpretations and theories were compiled into his seven books known as The Earth Chronicles. In his first novel, The 12th Planet and its sequels Sitchin claims there is a 12th planet beyond Neptune known as Nibiru that reaches our inner solar system once every 3,600 years. According to Sitchin, an advanced race of human-like extraterrestrials called the Anunnaki live on Nibiru and are the missing link in Homo sapiens evolution.
[Link] and [Link]
By the way there are some truths in his works but beware there are also some fabricated falsehoods also. He also claims Supernatural Beings decided to upgrade Homo sapiens sapiens & give us all three brains but that was already occult esoteric knowledge known in a Egypt. So it is another lie. Greeks used Mythos & Muthos. They are trying to make a quantum leap into an extraordinary claim of extraterrestrial proof but yet offering none. They still have the real science problem of the Schumann Resonance 7.83 Hz to overcome. [Link]
You will have to provide some proof of that. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.
the term "extraordinary" is subjective - no special proof is needed.
who is it that calls this or that "extraordinary" and what is their perspective?
Extraordinary to one is boring and irksome to another.
Proof is proof and the proof is already in the pudding.
Do you want me to prove it?
I can and I will.
I have already.
If not in your mind, I have in mind, my own mind proven subjective exlamations,
and if you demand extraordinary proof -
what gives you the claim to that?
That is a fair question and a response is requested.
BK, Poem of the Day, 12422 1344
but it can nevertheless be reasonably justified, based on prior information and general standards of proof.
You got your book, I got mine, but seems your book is fragile and requiring extraordinary explanation for things not in the book...
seems circular you want my humble opinion voo-doo...
So, logically, one could infer I view you as a spokesperson of collective ideas in need of refinement.
You can’t produce any evidence/facts of the Kundabuffer Organ‘s existence even though it’s known to be a made up word.
it so rather than fess up & admit that here you resorted to & played the infamous ad hominem game of Socrates truth - “when a debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the losers”.
Context of the Kundabuffer Organ: Beelzebub's Tales to His Grandson
Beelzebub's Tales uses the framing device of the musings of an extraterrestrial known as Beelzebub (who shares a name with the demon of the same name) , to his grandson Hassein, as they travel through space towards Beelzebub's home planet, Karatas, on the spaceship Karnak. Beelzebub recounts his adventures and travails amongst the "three-brained beings" (humans) of the planet Earth. Beelzebub details the history, customs and psychology of humanity and relates the esoteric theory behind the workings of the universe. Beelzebub narrates a history of creation that allegorically explains the human condition as perceived by Gurdjieff: Earth is described as being orbited by two satellites which broke off the planet during its early phase after it was hit by a comet: the Moon and a second body (unknown to mankind) called Anulios. In order to maintain cosmic stability it was necessary that both bodies remain in Earth's orbit. To ensure this stability, men were required to emit a certain substance. An artificial organ was implanted into all human beings by the "high powers" making them oblivious of this mechanism but causing psychological side effects such as vanity, pride, and other vices: And then, in fact, with the help of the Chief-Common-Universal-Arch-Chemist-Physicist Angel Looisos, who was also among the members of this Most High Commission, they caused to grow in the three-brained beings there, in a special way, at the base of their spinal column, at the root of their tail—which they also, at that time, still had, and which part of their common presences furthermore still had its normal exterior expressing the, so to say, ‘fullness-of-its-inner-significance’—a ‘something’ which assisted the arising of the said properties in them. 10.89 “And this ‘something’ they then first called the ‘organ Kundabuffer.’— G. I. Gurdjieff, Beelzebub's Tales to His Grandson,[6] 10.88-9 and 10.89
We’re done here.
It could be in a way, you are talking to yourself circular....
but maybe not....anyhow....jeesh....lots of gibberish in your post....seriously a proof is a proof and one proof ain't better than another because by definition proof is the proof. Simple. No need of declarations when it comes to proof because the proof is evident and can't be delineated, integrated, differentiated, sliced or diced or assigned attributes....it is the proof for goodness sake. Proof is proof and it is simple as that and all the words in the world and voo-doo spells this way or that way make no difference for proof because the proof is true by definition. That is assuming in can be proved definitively.
And truly, geometry speaks to that.
You're waiting for proof of what claim, exactly? The implied meaning of what I wrote is that it's not known whether it's allegorical. It is literally true that according to the mythos it's been removed.
Your first post and then reply to me serves to demonstrate that you're set on making an exposition about it here. Do you think the rest of Beelzebub's Tales is literally true? More to the point, why are you bringing up this issue, and conflating Gurdjieff with Sitchin, here and in the last MindMatters thread?
To make an explicit claim against your argument: your issue with Kundabuffer and claim that, "The picture tells the whole story.", is a form of fallacious argument marshalling both a strawman and ad hominem . I do not think Kundabuffer was relevant to either MM discussion, and what story you think the picture tells combined with the other context can be inferred to be an impugnment of Gurdjieff and therefore by extension his system and the MM productions. It is an argument geared toward picking out an unrelated detail with which to take issue to undercut credibility and divert the discussion or attention away from the actual topic.
As documented elsewhere, tacticians are being deployed to any social networking or discussion sites and likely utilize such tactics to shut down or derail communications. By, "We're done here.", I infer you have a mouse in your pocket. Or your account is operated by more than one person.
We each have a perspective that comes from our life experience and education, There is the famous story about blind men describing an elephant from the part that they touch.
Here’s some interesting books: Three Dangerous Magi, The: Osho, Gurdjieff, Crowley [Link]
The Most Dangerous man since Jesus Christ, the Sex Guru, the Ambassador from Hell, the Black Devil of Ashkhabad, The King of Depravity, and the Wickedest Man in the World. These were some of the labels given to three of the most notorious figures of 20th century spirituality: Osho (formerly known as Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh), G.I. Gurdjieff, and Aleister Crowley. Beneath the controversies and scandals that swirled around all three the author argues that these men, egocentric tendencies
Lords of the left-hand path: A history of spiritual dissent [Link]
This is an extensive study of Left-Hand Path individuals and groups from ancient times to modern movements such as the Church of Satan and the Temple of Set -- both of which have individual chapters in the book. Ancient paths include the Egyptian cult of Set, Hinduism, Buddhism, Zoroastrianism, the Yezidis, Neoplatonists and the Greeks, the Germanics, the Slavs, the Assassins, Dualist sects, the Faustian path, the Hellfire Club, de Sade, Marx and the sinister aspects of Bolshevism. A whole chapter is devoted to Hitler and Himmler and the occult practices of Nazism. Other modern individuals analyzed include Blavatsky, Gurdjieff, Crowley, Spare, Gregorius and Gerald Gardner .
Because, lets say a baby is born left-handed - does this mean the baby is flawed, and if you answer in the affirmative, you must know many left-handed adults disagree fervently.
Moreover, I put forth there has been discrimination long-time happening against those who have thoughts that others don't consider in their book of righteousness as "right", and furthermore, I put forth that a swift left-handed uppercut is the most punishing blow of all. It can only be delivered by one left-handed, and if it lands true, those of "right-views" might recognize - humility is called for because something is out of balance and the time has come for justified retribution.
I hope you are ready.
(Was replying to someone else anyway). And apparently his lordship BK didn't approve. Lol...
Pott - kettle.
Such a hypocrite. Apparently i was also "a discreet entity' - er.. Yea okay what eva. You are an entity full of itself, signing your name after everything.. Who's got the got the big ego then dick head? You get what you give.
HP. 31/12/2022 09.19 slight drizzle
Knowing when to speak your mind, and when to mind your speech.
Get a grip on yerself.
Mirror Mirror ....
Psalms
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So, thanks for this discussion and presentation of ideas worth considering.
BK
Gracious, Danke, and thank-you for sharing music.
"Knowledge is a substance of which there may be a limited amount in existence; A kind of Matter"
57:37 Gurdjieff speaks about the highest teaching in Egypt was the school of materializing of Thoth, so you're we speak of matter and we dont think of matter as being the materializing of thought. But in the structure of the matter and I think this goes to where you're looking at the effect of vibration for example on sand and things like that the "???????" experiments ,
where you see that a certain vibration will set matter into a particular pattern and so that there is this infusing of intelligence into matter which we are of course you might say are the prime example of that process of fusing into the material world a level of intelligence and when we architecturally build something like the cathedral at Nortre Dame or Chartres or whatever we are doing that --
we are putting into matter and form a level of intelligence that didnt exist there before and I think that's sort of the ultimate reasoning you might say of a higher being. That the logos the word the vibration the highest vibration gradually impacting matter in such a way that it brought matter up you know and that we are of course part of that process of bringing matter that is the most lowest level of matter which they used to call the idea of lead that is something that is not very conductive and gradually bring it up so that it is like gold or like something like that that it vibrates at a higher level and returns the energy that was sent down into it and so we are the prodigal son the returning of that energy.
Our experiment here on this little planet called Earth may not seem very important to anyone but us but maybe it has a great importance and maybe we will make a difference.
1:00:34
??????? seems to be a mention of cymatics, where shapes can take form in coarse matter like sand from frequency-dependent vibrations, where λ (wavelength) = c(2.99x10^8 m/s) / v (rate of vibration); frequency moves the sand into pattern, and changing the frequency can rearrange the form entirely .
[Link] Frequency - Wiki
:In wave propagation
For periodic waves in nondispersive media (that is, media in which the wave speed is independent of frequency), frequency has an inverse relationship to the wavelength, λ (lambda). Even in dispersive media, the frequency f of a sinusoidal wave is equal to the phase velocity v of the wave divided by the wavelength λ of the wave:
f={v}/λ
In the special case of electromagnetic waves moving through a vacuum, then v = c, where c is the speed of light in a vacuum, and this expression becomes:
f={c}/λ
When monochromatic waves travel from one medium to another, their frequency remains the same—only their wavelength and speed change.
...I believe, the ticket for passage (or return) is akin to regarding life as a stream of polluted liquid, that to flow freely, and visit the source, must be purified, and with that proven awareness, can then alight from this imaginary train of being, (habit,customs,planetary bunkums etc) and through a brief process of purgative compositions that invalidate the movement of time - into the waiting room, where if complete, can continue on - in that direction.
In my view, Francis is incorrect in saying that knowing the brain’s functions on a scientific level is necessary to know oneself. The great teachers like Buddha, Lao Tze, Zoraster, Jesus knew themselves, but not brain science. At the same time, knowing the current neuroscience and psychology can assist us, like Tali Shorat’s research that demonstrates people make choices based on beliefs not evidence. This sheds light on Gurdjieff’s idea that man is in prison, but doesn’t see it because his beliefs about reality prevent him from seeing. What are some of the beliefs? That he is unified, has will, knows himself, can choose, doesn’t lie to himself, etc. Another example is the theory of the morphic field that Rupert Sheldrake postulates where there is an information field, consciousness, that connects members of a species. This means that all mice are affected by mice that are trained to go through a maze, and they learn faster. This means that, as human beings, by changing our consciousness we affect the consciousness of humanity. This is not hope. The great teachers demonstrated it.
There are several connected ideas: the possibility of an end times for humanity, the creation of an ark to preserve humanity and the arts, the question of peace on earth in the face of a history of war between various ethnic and religious factions caused by power psychotics, the birth of a new religion to bridge the current interval. What needs to change for humanity to accept differences in ethnicity, religion, language, customs, culture? I would suggest that David R Hawkins with his hierarchy of consciousness shows us. The first step was for humanity as a whole to shift above the line of courage, which means to not fear a situation, propaganda or another people. Think about what the power vultures have done to humanity throughout history; they promote fear. In this time, they have promoted fear through the plandemic, war in the Ukraine, climate havoc from too much CO2, hyperinflation, food shortages, fuel shortages, a new plandemic of flu, RSV and whatever, racism and violence in the streets, child trafficking, drug trafficking, nuclear war.
What does fear lead to? It leads to the animal survival instincts of humanity to dominate, fight or flight, war or surrender. What is the intent? For people to not rise to courage, but to comply because of fear. How does this connect to the work? Gurdjieff’s system recognizes that negative emotions, are one of the key ways “chief feature” or false identity maintains control and causes the loss of energy. In the system, the work promotes the non-expression of negative emotions. In David R Hawkins hierarchy of consciousness, which can be considered a different view of Gurdjieff’s table of hydrogens, that below courage are negative emotions. It also points to a different line of work, to promote within oneself emotions or consciousness of courage and above; instead of the non-expression of fear, express courage.
Some studies indicate that pigeons use magnetism to find their way home.
Researchers have discovered a small spot on the beak of pigeons and some other birds that contains magnetite. Magnetite is a magnetized rock, which may act as a tiny GPS unit for the homing pigeon by giving it information about its position relative to Earth’s poles. Researchers have also found some specialized cells in birds’ eyes that may help them see magnetic fields.It is thought that birds can use both the beak magnetite and the eye sensors to travel long distances over areas that do not have many landmarks, such as the ocean. [Link]
Evidence suggests birds use eye proteins and magnetite-based receptors to navigate [Link]
Birds Use Earth's Magnetic Field For 'Stop Signs' When They Migrate [Link]
Morphic & Social Fields [Link] I think he’s onto it.
I work with dogs a lot. Forensically/Security et alia. I have a dog that is absolutely morphogenically consciously aware of my coming home or presence. I don’t think all dogs know they have it or it’s not as strong of a instinctual force in some breeds/dogs. I think humans have it use/used it to navigate on Gaia but it’s not a source they know how to tap into.
It is an interesting idea. If the amount of knowledge available is limited it would explain the rise in stupidity over time, because there is less and less to go around 8 billion people. It would explain why so many Teachers existed about 2-3 thousand years ago.
It would also mean, as the vax bioweapon kills off a billion or more, that we can expect intelligence and consciousness to increase, which is certainly not the intent of the psychopaths.
But I agree...the psychopaths have no idea what they have unleashed and it is coming to wrap back around them one at a time individually and discriminately because karma is real and...
No quarter will be offered.
You get what you give and U will get your due and all bills must be paid in full - and if you are directly responsible for large-scale harm upon innocence, then ain't it evident - your days are numbered literally - and after your dead, we all will joyfully forget about you forevermore.
That is why, it is evident as well, Russia has massed troops and they will do what must be done to bring the special mission to a complete and irrefutable close, and those who behaved nefariously will be exposed, and justice will be served. Call it circular if you want, but tis unknown just now, but some things are just obvious and some evidence demands justice once and for all. The alternative is extinction, so you choose for yourself ( seems easy choice but what the hell ever....whatever ). I know what side I am on in this conflict of wills because 20th centuries ideas die hard, but die they will - one way or the other.
However, if we accept there is a morphic or morphogenic field of consciousness, then just as we can raise consciousness up, so can dark consciousness pull it down. That is why it is a spiritual war.
Regarding Russia. So far Putin has been very strategic in protecting the Donbas from AZOV genocide, revealing the bioweapons labs, revealing the involvement already of CIA and NATO forces in the Ukraine which is not supported by NATO's rules or international law. The further attacks on specific infrastructure following terrorist attacks in Russia is again strategic; eliminate electrical power and communications which makes the NATO/CIA forces more visible and easily targeted.
Spiritually, seems to me we are sort of collectively caught in a spiral that could expand or could contract.....
time will tell.
Those of us, who know justice must be served, recognize that whether the spiral expands or contracts, justice will be served either way, but from my perspective, I want the spiral to expand into the uncertain possible futures that could be versus contracting towards the inevitable extinction that would result when a death spiral commences in earnest and can't be stopped......
So, I know what I want, but I also know I don't always get what I want, and I can live with that because uncertainty is part of life - it is undeniable. I accept it, I'm not afraid of it, and I do the best I can using both sides of my brain and both my right hand and my left, my left leg and my right one, and my big toes and my pinky ones.
Basically, I'm just happy to be alive, but I'm not content to be an observer.
Peace Dwoods - your golden is a beauty and my Jack Russell.....she sits close by to me.
Peace is easy, but it don't come easy I reckon.
Ken
THE ADDITION
Such is the ordinary average man -- an unconscious slave entirely at the service of all-universal purposes, which are alien to his own personal individuality.
He may live through all his years as he is, and as such be destroyed forever.
But at the same time Great Nature ha given him the possibility of being not merely a blind tool entirely at the service of these all-universal objective purposes but, while serving Her and actualizing what is foreordained for him--which is the lot of every breathing creature--of working at the same time also for himself, for his own egoistic individuality.
This possibility was given also for service to the common purpose, owing to the fact that, for the equilibirium of these objective laws, such relatively liberated people are necessary.
Although the said liberation is possible, nevertheless whether any particular man has the chance to attain it--this is difficult to say.
There are a mass of reasons which may not permit it; and moreover which in most cases depend neither upon us personally nor upon great laws, but only upon the various accidental conditions of our arising and formation, of which the chief are heredity and the conditions under which the process of our "preparatory age" flows. It is just these uncontrollable conditions which may not permit this liberation.
The chief difficulty in the way of liberation from whole entire slavery consists in this, that it is neessary, with an intention issuing from one's own initiative and persistence, and sustained by one's own efforts, that is to say, not by another's will but by one's own, to obtain the eradication from one's presence both of the already fixed consequences of certain properties of that something in our forefathers called the organ Kundabuffer, as well as of the predisposition to those consequences which might again arise.
In order that you should have at least an approximate understanding of this strange organ with its properties, and also of the manifestations in ourselves of the consequences of these properties, we must dwell a little longer upon this question and speak about it in somewhat greater detail.
Great Nature, in Her foresight and for many important reasons (about which theoretical explanations will be given in later lectures), was constrained to place within the common presences of our remote ancestors just such an organ, thanks to the engendering properties of which they might be protected from the possibility of seeing and feeling anything as it proceeds in reality.
Although this organ was later "removed" also by Great Nature from their common presences, yet owing to a cosmic law expressed by the words "the assimilation of the results of oft-repeated act"--according to which law, from the frequent repetition of one and the same act there arises in every "world concentration" under certain conditions a predisposition to produce similar results--this law-conformable predisposition which arose in our forefathers was transmitted by heredity from genertion to generation, so that when their descendants in the process of ther ordinary existence established numerous conditions which proved to be congenial for the said law-conformableness, from that time on the consquences of the various properties of this organ arose in them, and being assimilated owing to transmission by heredity from generation to generation, they ultimately acquired alost the same manifestations as those of their ancestors.
An approximte understanding of the manifestations in ourselves of these consequences may be derived from a further fact, perfectly intelligible to our Reason and beyond any doubt whatever.
All of us, people, are mortal and very man may die at any moment.
Now the question arises, can a man really picture to himself and so to say "experience in his consciousness," the process of his own death?
No! His own death and the experience of this process, a man can never, howerver he may wish, picture to himself.
A contemporary ordainary man can picture to himself the death of another, though even this, not fully.
He can picture to himself, for instance, that a certain Mr. Smith leaves the theater and crossing the street, falls beneath an automobile and is crushd to death.
Or that a signboard blown down by the wind falls on the head of Mr. Jones who happened to be passing and kills him on the spot.
Or that Mr. Brown, having eaten bad crayfish, gets poisoned and, no one being able to save him, dies the next day.
Anyone can easily picture all these. But can the average man contemplate the same possibility for himself, as he admits for Mr. Smith, Mr. Jones, and Mr Brown, and feel and live through all the depair from the fact that those events may happen to him?
Think what would happen to a man who clearly pictures to himself and lives through the inevitability of his own death.
If he seriously ponders and is really able to enter deeply into this and to cognize his own death, what could be more terrifying?
In ordinary life, particularly in recent times, over and above the depressing fact of the inevitability of death which must infallibly occur to them, there are indeed for people a large number of other siimilar facts, whose real picturing alone of the possibility of experienceing them must evoke in us feelings of inexpressible and intolerable anguish.
Suppose that such contemporary people as have already lost entirely all possibility of having any real objective hope for the future, that is to say, those of them who have never "sown" anything during their responsible life and who in consequence have nothing to "reap" in the future--suppose they should cognize the inevitability of their speedy death, then from only an experiencing in thought alone would they hang themselves.
The particularity of the action of the consequences of the properties of the said organon the common psyche of people consists just in this that, thanks to it, there does not arise among most contemporary people--these three-brained beings in whom were placed all the hopes and expectations of our CREATOR, as possible servers of higher purposes--the cognition of any of thes genuine terrrors, and also that it enables them peacefully to carry on their existene in unconscious fulfillment of what was foreordained, but in the service only of Nautre's nearest immediate aims, as they have meanwhile lost, on account of their unbecoming abnormal life, any possibility of servicing higher purposes.
Thanks to these consequences, not only does the cognition of these terrors not arise in the psyche of these people, but also for the purpose of self-quieting they even invent all kinds of fantastic explanations plausible to their naive logic for what they really sense and also for what they do not sense at all.
As, for instance, suppose that the solution of the question of our inability really to sense various possible genuine terrors, in particular the terror of one's own death, should become, so to say, a "burning question of the day"--which occurs with certain questions in the contemporary life of people--then in all probability all contemporary people, ordinary mortals as well as those called the "learned," would categorically offer a solution, which they would not doubt for a moment and, as is said, spluttering at the mouth, would set about to prove that what in fact saves people from being able to experience such terrors is just their own "will".
But if this is admitted, then why does not this same presumed will protect us from all the little fears we experience at every step?
In order to sense and understand with your whole being what I am now saying, and not merely to understand with that so to say "mind-fornication" of yours, which to the misfortune of our descendants has become the dominant inherency of contemporary peope, picture to yourself now merely the following.
Today, after the lecture, you return home, undress, and get into bed, but just as you are covering yourself with your blanket a mouse jumps out from under the pillow and scuttling across your body ducks into the folds of the blankets.
Admit candidly, does not a shiver actually already run through the whole of your body merely at the bare thought of such a possibility
Is it not so?
Now plese try to make an exception and without the participation of any of that, so to say, "subjective emotionalness," whatsoever, which has become fixed in you, think with your mentation alone about such a possible occurrence to you, and you yourself will then be amazed that you react to this in this way.
What is so terrifying in this?
It is only an ordinary house mouse, the most harmless and inoffensive of beasts.
Now I ask you, how can all that has been said be explained by that will, which is presumed to be in every man?
How is it possible to reconcile the fact that a man in terrified at a small timid mouse, the most frightened of all creatures, and of thousands of other similar trifles which might never even occur, and yet experiences no terror before the inevitability of his own death?
In any case, to explain such an obvious contradiction by the action of the famous human will--is impossible.
When this contradiction in considered openly, wihtout any preconceptions, that is to say, without any of the ready-made notions derived from the wiseacring of various what are called "authorities" who in most cases have become such thanks to the naievete and "herd instinct" of people, as well as from the results, depending on abnormal education, which arise in our mentation, then it becomes indubitably evident that all these terrors, from which in man there does not arise the impulse, as we said, to hang himself, are permitted by Nature Herself to the extent in which they are necessary for the process of our ordinary existence.
And indeed without them, without all these, in the objective sense, as is said, "fleabites", but which appear to use as "unprecedented terrors." there could not proceed in us any experiencings at all, either of joy, sorow, hope, disappointment, and so on, nor could we have all those cares, stimuli, strivings, and in general, all kinds of impulses, which constrain us to act, to attain to something, and to strive for some aim.
It is just this totality of all these automattic, as they might called, "childish experiencings" arising and flowing in the average man which on the one hand make up and sustain his life, and on the other hand give neither the possbility nor the time to see and feel reality.
If the average contemporary man were given the possibility to sense or to remember, if only in his thought, that at a definite known date, for instance, tomorrow, a week, or a month, or even a year or two hence, he would die and die for certain, what would then remain, one asks, of all that had until then filled up and constituted his life?
Everything would lose its sense and significance for him. What would be the importance then of the decoration he received yesterday for long service and which had so delighted him, or that glance he recently noticed, so full of promise, from the woman who had long been the object of his constant and unrewarded longing, and that deferential greeting from the neighbor on the stairs, and the theater in the evening, and rest and sleep, and all his favorite things-of what account would they all be?
They would no longer have the significance which had been given them before, even if a man knew that death would overtake him only in five or six years. In short, to look his own death, as is said, "in the face" the average man cannot and must not--he would then, so to say, "get out of his depth" and before him, in clear-cut form, the question would arise: "Why then should we live and toil and suffer?"
Precisely that such a question may not arise, Great Nature, having become convinced that in the common presences of most people there have already ceased to be any factors for meritorious manifestations proper to three-centered beings, had providentially wisely protected them by allowing the arising in them of various consequences of those nonmeritorious properties unbecoming to three-centered beings, which, in the absence of a proper actualization, conduce to their not perceiving or sensing reality.
And Great Nature was constrained to adapt Herself to such an, in the objective sense, abnormality, in cosequence of the fact that thanks to the conditions of their ordinary life established by people themselves for deteriorating quality of their radiations required for Higher Common Cosmic Purposes insistently demanded, for the maintenance of equilibrium, an increase of the quantity of the arisings and existings of these lives.
Whereupon it follows that life in general is given to people not for themselves, but that this life is necessary for the said Higher Cosmic Purposes, in consequence of which Great Nature watches over this life so that it may flow in a more or less tolerable form, and takes care that it should not prematurely cease.
Do not we, people, ourselves also feed, watch over, look after, and make the lives of our sheep and pigs as comfortable as possible?
Do we do all this because we value their lives for the sake of their lives?
No! We do all this in order to slaughter them one fine day and to obtain the meat we require, with as much fat as possible.
In the same way Nature takes all measures to ensure that we shall live without seeing the terror, and that we should not hang ourselves, but live long; and then, when we are required, She slaughters us.
Under the established conditions of the ordinary life of people, this has now already become an immutable law of Nature.
There is in our life a certain very great purpose and we must all serve this Great Common Purpose--in this lies the whole sense and predestination of our lives.
All people without eception are slaves of this "Greatness", and all are compelled willy-nilly to submit, and to fulfill without condition or compromise what has been predestined for each of us by his transmitted heredity and his acquired Being.
Now, after all that I have said, returning to the chief theme of the lecture read here today, I wish to refresh your memory about what has several times been referred to in defining man--the expressions "real man" and a "man in quotation marks", and in conclusion, to say the following.
Although the real man who has already acquired his own "I" and also the man in quotation marks who has not, are equally slaves of the said "Greatness", yet the difference between them,
Shangri In order to make what I have just said more comprehensible and concrete, it will be useful if we compare human life in general to a large river which rises from various sources and flows on the surface of our planet, and the life of any given man to one of the drops of water composing this river of life.The river at first flows as a whole along a comparatively level valley, and at that place where Nature has particularly undergone what is called a "cataclysm not according to law", it is divided into two seperate streams, or as it is also said, there occurs in the river a "dividing of the waters".
All of the water of one stream, soon after passing this place, flows into a still more level valley, and with no surrounding what is called "majestic and picturesque" scenery to hinder it, ultimately flows into the vast ocean.The second stream, continuing its flow over places formed by the consequences of the said "cataclysm not according to law," ultimately falls into crevices in the earth, themselves also consequences of the same cataclysm, and seeps into the very depths of the earth.
Although after the branching of the waters the waters of both these streams flow further independently and no longer mingle, yet along the whole extent of their further course, they frequently approach so near each other that all results engendered from the process of their flowing blend, and even at times during great atmospheric phenomena, such as storms, winds, and so on, splashes of water, or even seperate drops pass from one stream into the other.Individually the life of every man up to his reaching responsible age corresponds to a drop of water in the initial flow of the river, and the place where the dividing of the waters occur corresponds to the time when he attains adulthood.
After this branching, any considerable subsequent movement, according to law, both of this river as well as of any of the small details of this movement for the actualization of the predetermined destination of the whole river, applies equally to every separate drop, just in so far as the given drop is in the general totality of this river.
For the drop itself, all its own displacements, directions, and states caused by the diferences of its position, by its various accidentally arisen surrounding conditions, and by the accelerated or retarded tempo of its movment, have always a totally accidental character.For the drops, there is not a separate predetermination of their personal fate--a predetermined fate is for the whole river only.
At the beginning of the flow of the river, the lives of drops are here one moment, there the next moment, and a moment later they might not at all be as they are, but splashed out of the river and evaporated.
And so when, on account of the unbecoming life of people, Great Nature was constrained to engender the corresponding in their common presences, then from that time on it was so etablished for the purposes of the common actualizing of everything existing that human life in general on the Earth should flow in two streams; and Great Nature foresaw and gradually fixed in the details of Her common actualization such a corresponding law-conformableness, that in the drops of the water of the initial flow of the river of life, which have corresponding inner subjective what are called "struggles of one's own self-denial", there might arise or not that "something," thanks to which certain properties are acquired giving the possbility, at the place of the branching of the waters of the river of life, of entering one or the other stream.
This something, which in the common presence of a drop of water is a factor actualizing in it the property coresponding to one or another of the streams, is in the common presence of each man who attains responsible age that "I" which was referred to in today's lecture.A man who has in his common presence his own "I" enters one of the streams of the river of life; and the man who has not, enters the other.The subsequent fate of any drop in the general river of life is determined at the dividing of the waters, according to the stream the drop happens to enter.
And it is determined, as has already ben said, by the fact that one of these two streams ultimately empties itself into the ocean, that is, into that sphere of general Nature which often has what is called repeated "reciprocal exchanges of substances between various great cosmic concentrations" through the process of what is called "Pokhdalissdjancha", a part of which process, by the way, contemporary people name "cyclone": in consequence of which this drop of water has the possbility to evolve, as it is, to the next higher concentration.
And at the end of the flow of the other stream, as has already been said, into the crevices of the Earth's "nether regions", where it participates in the continuous process called "involutionary construction" which proceeds within the planet, it is transformed into steam and distributed into corresponding spheres of new arisings.After the branching of the waters, great and small successive law-conformablenesses and details for the outer movement for the purpose of actualizing the predetermined destination of both streams also ensue from these same cosmic laws, but only the results ensuing from them are so to say "subjectivized" for both streams correspondingly; and although they begin to function independently, yet all the time they mutually assist and sustain each other. These subjectivized second-grade results can sometimes under certain surrounding conditions spread also over the separate drops.
For us contemporary people, the chief evil is that we--thanks to the various conditions of our ordinary existence established by us ourselves, chiefly in consequence of the abnormal what is called "education"--attaining responsible age and acquiring presences which correspond only to that stream of the river of life, which ultimately empties itself into the "nether regions", enter it and are carried along where and whither it wills, and without pondering about the consequences, we remain passive, and submitting to the flow, drift on and on.
As long as we remain passive, not only shall we have inevitably to serve solely as a means for Nature's "involutionary and evolutionary construction", but also for the rest of our lives we shall have to submit slavishly to every caprice of all sorts of blind events.
As most of the hearers present have already, as is said, "crossed over" into responsible age and frankly cognize that until now they have not acquired their own "I", and at the same time, according to the substance of all I have said here, have not pictured themselves any particularly agreeable perspectives, then, in order that you--just you who cognize this--should not be greatly, as is said, "disheartened" and should not fall into the usual what is called "pessimism" everywhere prevalent in the contemporary abnormal life of people, I say quite frankly, without any arriere-pensee, that, according to my convictions which have been formed thanks to long years of investigations strengthened by numerous quite exceptionally conducted experiments on the results of which are based the "Institute-for-the-Harmonious-Development-of-Man" founded by me--even for you, it is not yet too late.
The point is that the said investigations and experiments showed me very clearly and very definitely that in everything under the care of Mother Nature the possibility is foreseen for beings to acquire the kernel of their essence, that is to say, their own "I", even after the beginning of their responsible age also.The foresight of Just Mother Nature consists in the given case in this, that the possibility is given to us, in certain inner and outer conditions, to cross over from one stream into the other.
The expression which has reached us from ancient times, "the first liberation of man", refers to just this possibility of crossing from the stream which is predestined to disappear into the nether regions into the stream which empties itself into the vast spaces of the boundless ocean.To cross into the other stream is not so easy--merely to wish and you cross. For this, it is first of all necessary consciously to crystallize in yourselves data for engendering in your common presences a constant unquenchable impulse of desire for such a crossing, and then, afterwards, a long corresponding preparation.
For this crossing it is necessary first of all to renounce all the what seem to you "blessings"--but which are, in reality, automatically and slavishly acquired habits--present in this stream of life.In other words, it is necessary to become dead to what has become for you your ordinary life.It is just this death that is spoken of in all religions.It is defined in the saying which has reached us from remote antiquity, "Without death no resurrection," that is to say, "If you do not die you will not be resurrected".
The death referred to is not the death of the body, since for such a death there is no need of resurrection.For if there is a soul, and moreover, an immortal soul, it can dispense with a resurrection of the body.Nor is the necessity of resurrection our appearance before the awful Judgement of the Lord God, as we have been taught by the Fathers of the Church.No! Even Jesus Christ and all the other prophets sent from Above spoke of the death which might occur even during life, that is to say, of the death of that "Tyrant" from whom proceeds our slavery in this life and whose destruction can alone assure the first chief liberation of man.
Summing up all that has been said, the thoughts set out in the lecture you have heard read, as well as what I have added today, that is, about the two categories of contemporary people who in respect of inner content have nothing in common, and about that grievous fact which has been made clear to a certain degree thanks to the addition I have made, namely, that in the common presences of people in recent times, thanks to progressively deteriorating conditions of ordinary life established by us--particularly owing to the wrong system of education of the rising generation--the various consequences of the organ Kundabuffer have begun to arise much more intensely, I consider it necessary to say and even to emphasize still more that all misunderstandings without exception arising in the process of our collective life, particularly in the sense of reciprocal relationship, and all disagreements, disputes, settling-ups and hasty decisions--just these decisions, after the actualization of which, in the process of "Remorse-of-Conscience"--and even such great events as wars, civil wars, and other similar misfortunes of a general character proceed simply on account of a property in the common presences of ordinary people who have never specially worked on themselves, which property I this time would call "the-reflecting-of-reality-in-one's-attention-upside-down".
Every man, if he can even a little seriously think, so to say "without being identified" with his passions, must agree with this if he takes into account merely one single fact often repeated in the process of our inner life, namely, that all our experiencings which at first, just at the moment they are still proceeding in us, seem to be stark terrors, appear, after a lapse of only an insignificant time and when these experiencings have been replaced by others and are recalled by chance, and when according to our logical reasoning we are already in another mood, not worth, as is said, "a brass farthing".
In the average man the results of his mentation and feelings often lead to this, that, as it might be expressed, "a fly becomes an elephant and an elephant a fly".The manifestations in the common presences of the said people of this maleficent property is particularly intensely actualized just during such events as wars, revolutions, civil wars, and so on.Just during these events, the state, even constated by them, is particularly sharply manifested, under the action of which they all with few exceptions fall, and which they call "mass psychosis".
The essence of this state consists in this, that average people receiving in their already feeble mentation, which at such time becomes still more feeble, shocks from the maleficent stories of some or another lunatic, and becoming in the full sense of the words victims of these malicious stories, manifest themselves completely automatically.
During this period when they find themselves under the action of such a scourge--a scourge which has already become for contemporary ordinary people their inalienable inherency--there already entirely ceases to exist in their common presences that sacred what is called "conscience", the data for the possibility of the acquistion of which Great Nature endowed them with, as godlike beings in differentiation from mere animals.
Informed people sincerely reget just this inherency in contemporary people, because, according to historical data and also to experimental elucidations of numerous genuine learned beings of past epochs, Great Nature has already long ceased to have need for such a phenomenon as mass pychosis for Her equilibrium. Rather the contrary, such a periodically arising inherency in people compels Her always to new adaptations, as for instance increasing the birth rate, changing what is called "tempo of the general psyche", and so on and so forth.
After all I have said I consider it necessary to say and even to emphasize further that all the historical data which have reached contemporary people and which have chanced to become known also to me, namely, the historical data concerning what really did occur in the past in the life of people, and not just those data invented by contemporary what are called learned beings, chiefly from among the Germans--with which histories all the rising generation is stuffed almost everywhere on the Earth--clearly shows that people of former epochs did not divide into two streams of life, but that all flowed along in a single river.
The general life of mankind has been divided into two streams since the time of what is called the "Tikliamishian civilization", which directly preceded the Babylonian civilization.It was just from then on that there gradually began to be and ultimately
Although to be either masters or slaves in a collective existence among children, like ourselves, of the COMMON FATHER, is unworthy of man, yet thanks at the present time to the conditions existing which have already been thoroughly fixed in the process of the collective life of people, the source of which lies in remote antiquity, we must be reconciled to it and accept a compromise that, according to impartial reasoning, should correspond both to our own personal welfare, and also at the same time not be contraty to the commandments specially issuing to us people from the "Prime-Source-of-Everything-Existing."
Such a compromise, I think, is possible if certain people consciously set themselves, as the chief aim of their existence to acquire in their presences all the correspoding data to become masters among those around them similar to themselves.Proceeding from this and acting according to the wise saying of ancients times affirming that "in order to be in reality a just and good altruist it is inevitably required first of all to be an out and out egoist," and also profiting by the good sense given us by great Nature, each one of us must set for his chief aim to become in the process of our collective life a master.
But not a master in that sense and meaning which this word conveys to contemporary people, namely, one who has many slaves and much money, handed down, in most cases, by inheritance, but in the sense that a given man, thanks to his, in the objective sense, devout acts towards those around him--that is to say, acts manifested by him according to the dictates of his pure Reason alone, without the participation of those impulses which in him as in all people are engendered from the mentioned consequences of the properties of the maleficent organ Kundabuffer--acquires in himself that something which of itself constrains all those about him to bow before him and with reverance carry out his orders.I now consider this first series of my writings ended and ended in just such a form that satisfies even myself.In any case, I give my word that from tomorrow I shall not waste even five minutes of my time on this first series.
And now, before beginning work on the second series of my writings, in order to put them, from my point of view, into a generally accessible form, I intend to rest for a whole month, to write positively nothing, and for a stimulus to my organism, fatigued to the extreme limit, s-l-o-w-l-y to drink the still remaining fifteen bottles of "super-most-super-heavenly-nectar" called at the present time on Earth "old Calvados."
This old Calvados, by the way, twenty-seven bottles of it, I was thought worthy to find, accidentally covered over with a mixture of lime, sand, and finely chopped straw, several years ago when I was digging a pit for preserving carrots for the winter in one of the cellars of my now chief dwelling place.These bottles of this divine liquid were buried in all probability by monks who lived nearby, far from wordly temptations, for the salvation of their souls.
It now seems to me for some reason or other that they buried these bottles there, not without some ulterior motive, and that, thanks to their what is called "intuitive perspicacity," the data for which particularity of theirs, one must assume, was formed in them thanks to their pious lives, they foresaw that the buried divine liquid would fall into hands worthy of understanding the meaning of such things; and now indeed this liquid stimulates the owner of these hands praiseworthily to sustain and assist the better transmission to the next generation of the meaning of the ideals on which the co-operation of these monks was founded.
I wish during this rest of mine, which from any point of view I fully deserve, to drink this splendid liquid, which alone during recent years has given the possibility of tolerating without suffering the beasts similar to myself around me, and to listen to new anecdotes, and somethimes, for lack of new ones, old ones--of course, if there happen to be competent raconteurs.
It is now still midday, and as I have given my word that I would not, beginning only from tomorrow, write anything further for this first series, I still have time and shall not be breaking my word, if I add with a clean conscience that a year or two ago, I had categorically decided to make only the first series of my published writings gneerally accessible, and as regards the second and third seies, to make them not generally accessible, but to organize their distribution in order, among other things, to actualize through them one of the fundamental tasks I have set myself under essence-oath; a task which consists in this: ultimately to prove, without fail, theoretically as well as practically, to all my contemporaries, the absurdity of all their inherent ideas concering the suppositious existences of a certain "other world" with its famous and so beautiful "paradise" and its so repugnant a "hell"; and at the same time to prove theoretically and afterwards without fail to show practically so that even every "complete victim" of contemporary education should understand without shuddering and know, that Hell and Paradise do indeed exist, but only not there "in that world" but here beside us on Earth.
After the books of the first series have all been published, I intend for the spreading of the contents of the second series to organize in various large centers simultaneous public readings accessible to all.And as regares the real, indubitably comprehensible, genuine objective truths which will be brough to light by me in the third series, I intend to make them accessible exclusively only to those from among the hearers of the second series of my writings who will be selected from specially prepared people according to my considered instructions.
G.I. Gurdjieff, Beelzebub's Tales to His Grandson: All and Everything, First Series ; E.P. Dutton & Co., Inc. 1964.Pgs. 1219-1238
Lately, after spending time deep in the rabbit hole, and I'm sad to report Petie never came back, but I hope he got his own warren action going on, deep reading is only one aspect of it....some ideas require face-to-face interaction directly and that truly is why local ideas resonate more fully and concepts often just blow in the wind.
Regardless, I will read it all super close, and let you know later if I have any feedback.
At the end of the day, not only does the body die, but the ego dies as well, and many egos really have lost all value already even though the body lives on.
If it don't resonate, who gives a flip about it is what I think out of my mind, to my fingers, and typed just now sharing freely.
If I have to solve it all myself, by my lonesome I will, but I have friends strong and together we are better.
Your friend,
Ken
The other path could be compared to sowing seed in good soil.
Though I'm not a scholar and I don't care to be right about everything he said, reading Gurdjieff's own words was more enlightening than some forum posts linked above that tell us nothing more than "I know some people who were in Fourth Way groups and like, they don't make any sense."
So that was fun reading thanks
This quote: "But at the same time Great Nature ha given him the possibility of being not merely a blind tool entirely at the service of these all-universal objective purposes but, while serving Her and actualizing what is foreordained for him--which is the lot of every breathing creature--of working at the same time also for himself, for his own egoistic individuality." is important.
It states we are in a very big machine created by the Absolute with its own laws and evolution. It includes the universe, galaxies, solar systems, our planet and moon, and the film of organic life on earth. There are "all-universal objective purposes", Therefore humanity as a whole serves these purposes, which means suffering and dying exist. At the same time, individually and working with others, one can transcend this reality.
I really think all the verbiage above is bloviating bs mainly and way too wordy for the present time because time favors those who are decisive.
I fear no mouse.
BK
BK
Talk away, but decisive action is upon us and if you fear a mouse, then you are lost already.
BK
A type of Indifference/acceptance/understanding if there is such a thing might be advantageous, at least one might be less prone to conflict and maybe those souls that keep the world together might develop a sense of humour.
This is an over simplification, as I find that there is so much information..
Left Hand path in this context relate to the ideas of the negative, the temptation of sex, the physical, and what got us in this mess.
Looks like it's got a lot to with men not giving into temptation of what Ra terms as the "prostitute" feminine LH path, and choosing instead the Right Hand "Virgin" path of the Divine Higher Feminine energies of love, creativity, purity, etc.
The prostitute/Left Hand path could also symbolise not just sexual/physical temptation, but dark thought, disharmony, and all things related to serving self/negativity.
The Right path could also symbolise a kind of Virginity of thought, Love, humility harmony, purity and good thought etc, Faith in God.
And we chose to become what 'He is Not', by choosing the Left hand Path..Giving into temptation of physical pleasure, self gratification, power and control over others - self aggrandizement, greed - the "prostitute", in Ra it is recognised that it's a big problem, that as a whole strong men can still fail at this, when the sex comes into it, when money comes into it. The prostitute still holds man as a slave unless he strengthens his will and says "No" to her.
Thought the word link regarding 'left' and 'leaving' was also interesting. By choosing the Left hand path, we left the Creator.
It's all in Ra and the Tarot and seems to be really intrinsic.
And making the choice to "look to the Right" and embracing the Virgin RH (STO).
Not that of the prostitute or LH (STS) path.
The Choice no. 22 the most important CHOICE, in terms of what I've read in Ra, seams to be related to if man can strengthen his faculty of Will and Faith to choose the Right Path. The difficult one, That of the Virgin not prostitute, STO not STS...
Its up to individuals to be able to recognise or take responsibility for this inability to say "No" to temptation and negativity, this weakness and lack of willpower, and respond instead by giving Her, our Lady Mother, Nature, the Virgin, and the Spiritual, the place of honour. . Not the "Prostitute" as men are so inclined to do.
We fail to recognise this weakness, or even talk about it much I noticed..
And have met very human beings who admits this weakness for physical pleasure to themselves or even recognises this as a major problem, the bare facts are ignored most of the time!
Gurdieff said that sex caused the most mechanical behaviours of all human influences, he was totally right in my opinion.
Cs said Relationship are the key way people are weakened by dark forces, falling for those who are easier on the eye but not necessarily a good partner..The wrong reasons to enter into any relationship etc... (Not in those words apologies can't remember which transcript). Can't imagine the ramifications of this globally, but they must be hugely negative, cumulatively.
Ra was pointing to this very strongly, to take the Right Hand path.
The RIGHT hand gives, the LEFT takes.
Life is for giving.
Sex as the rest is all superficial and talk. The trouble is discernment. It takes SELF LOVE to discern. And LOVE is a verb.
No need to imagine. We've got it smacked in our eyeballs, in our nostrils, our ears, on our tongue and out the back.... bottom
Something to lift our Spirit
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RACE to the bottom.
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