No one in the White House, the Senate, or the House consciously set out to turn the proxy Ukrainian war with Moscow into a contest of "competitive societal collapse" between Russia and NATO. But here we are. No one imagined that the Biden administration and the bipartisan war party would drive Americans and Europeans into a political, military, and economic valley of death, from which there is no easy escape. Yet that is precisely what is happening.
For the moment, Washington remains blind to these developments. Whether in print, radio, television, or online, the narrative is clear: despite horrific losses — at least 400,000 Ukrainian battlefield casualties including 100,000 soldiers killed in action — Ukrainian forces are winning. Moreover, the narrative says, America's financial and economic dominance will ultimately overwhelm the deceptively weak Russian economy.
The Ukrainian-victory narrative admittedly benefits hugely from Western media that actively "tune out" opposing views and depict Russia and its armed forces in the worst possible light. The fact that nearly half a century of the Cold War conditioned Americans to think the worst of Russians certainly helps.
Yet there is also a measure of "true faith" at work, a condition of national narcissism, inside the Beltway that believes Washington can control what happens thousands of miles away in Eastern Ukraine. The message resonates in Congress because it rests on a critical strategic assumption that American citizens have yet to challenge: that American national power is limitless and unconstrained — as though a series of strategic failures, from Vietnam to Afghanistan, never happened.
Given that American politicians are always more preoccupied by domestic affairs than foreign policy, members of Congress are quick to adopt the "true faith." This faith explains why for the last eight years members thought a future war with Russia was a low-risk affair. Ukrainians would provide the cannon fodder and Washington would provide the expensive weaponry and munitions.
Predictably, Washington's governing strategic principles are unchanged from previous U.S. interventions around the world. Muddle through: masses of soldiers — in this case Ukrainians advised by U.S. and allied officers — and huge infusions of cash, equipment, and technology can and will permanently alter strategic reality in America's favor.
The stupefying air of self-righteousness the Biden administration assumes when it attacks erstwhile strategic partners such as Saudi Arabia or delivers moralizing lectures to Beijing's leadership, or when its media surrogates express contempt for the Russian state, is downright dangerous. Political figures in Washington are ready to indulge any transgression if it is committed in the name of destroying Russia. They do not view U.S. foreign policy in the context of a larger strategy, nor do they comprehend Russia's capacity to hurt the United States, a bizarre judgment of Russia's actual military and economic potential.
The result is a toxic climate of ideological hatred making it hard to imagine a contemporary U.S. secretary of State ever signing an international agreement renouncing war as an instrument of U.S. national policy, as Secretary of State Frank Kellogg did in 1928. But as one of Shakespeare's characters in the Merchant of Venice warned, "The truth will out."
The ongoing buildup of 700,000 Russian forces with modern equipment in Western Russia, Eastern Ukraine and Belorussia is a direct consequence of Moscow's decision to adopt an elastic, strategic defense of the territories it seized in the opening months of the war. It was a wise, though politically unpopular choice in Russia. Yet, the strategy has succeeded. Ukrainian losses have been catastrophic and by November, Russian Forces will be in a position to strike a knockout blow.
Today, there are rumors in the media that Kiev may be under pressure to launch more counterattacks against Russian defenses in Kherson (Southern Ukraine) before the midterm elections in November. At this point, expending what little remains of Ukraine's life blood to expel Russian forces from Ukraine is hardly synonymous with the preservation of the Ukrainian state. It's also doubtful that further sacrifices by Ukrainians will assist the Biden administration in the midterm elections.
The truth is Moscow's redline concerning Ukrainian entry into NATO was always real. Eastern Ukraine and Crimea were always predominantly Russian in language, culture, history, and political orientation. Europe's descent into economic oblivion this winter is also real, as is support for Russia's cause in China and India and Moscow's rising military strength.
In retrospect, it is easy to see how Congress was beguiled by the denizens of think tanks, lobbyists, and retired generals, who are, with few exceptions, people with a cocktail level of familiarity with high-end conventional warfare. Members of the House and Senate were urged to support dubious strategies for the use of American military assistance, including reckless scenarios for limited nuclear war with Russia or China. For some reason, U.S. politicians have lost sight of the reality that any use of nuclear weapons would overwhelm the ends of all national policy.
It is not the first time that American political leaders misjudged the true nature of a situation. In 1969, Kissinger advised President Nixon against de-escalation on the grounds that keeping U.S. troops fighting in Vietnam remained one of Washington's few bargaining weapons in its negotiations with Hanoi. Kissinger was wrong. Washington gained nothing at the negotiating table with Hanoi by sacrificing more Americans in Vietnam after January 1969.
In view of Ukraine's bleak prospects of ever regaining lost territory and its deteriorating strategic health, Ukraine's future now rests in Russian hands. For Washington, there is a morally responsible and practical answer: Kiev should stop the bloodletting and make the best possible peace with Moscow it can. Unfortunately, for Washington this solution is unthinkable.
As long as Washington delivers cash, military assistance, and equipment to Ukraine, Kiev will fight its unwinnable war, and Washington's ruling political class will profit from the transfer of cash to the Pentagon and the U.S. Defense Industrial Base. But Washington, its NATO allies, and Ukrainians will gain nothing of strategic value, while Russia is likely to grow stronger. That is a development Washington will regret.
Douglas Macgregor, Col. (ret.) is a senior fellow with The American Conservative, the former advisor to the Secretary of Defense in the Trump administration, a decorated combat veteran, and the author of five books.
Reader Comments
And concluded that Kissinger, the psychopath he is, was at least capable to learn his lesson.
By the way, I think it s a bit farfetched to call Kissinger an "American".
The current arrangement of letting the West exhaust itself whilst delivering all available weapons, at great expense, to some fields in Ukraine to be blown up is quite appealing to the other 7 billion around the world
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Quoting a known War Criminal & hypocrite is not a legitimate example to be quoting or protecting. He is a part of the problem & whole we are all fighting against. Does anybody really think he is transparent discloses what he really knows or the inner keys to how Poly-tics functions ?
He’s been Knighted by the Monarchy for a reason. Come on Wake the F up & get real !
Not to put down the author. He is a retired military man. So he doesn't factor in the globalism. That is understandable.
However, the more we analyse the past, the more issues we see, mostly internal contradictions and pathways that simply are not possible, given human experience and proclivity.
Historical revision suggests the 'Dark Ages' never existed.
That there is a repeating cycle of catastrophe, shaping this and other planets.
That 'physics' has regressed, driven by war policy of the need for Tritium and fission.
One glaring example is the 'great genius' Newton. His equations on gravity rely upon mass. Yet not only is that indefinable, practical contemporaneous demonstrations showed that similar shaped balls weighing different amounts fall at the same rate. Yet NASA ESA all assure us we can calculate the weight of a planet using equations based on mass. We are also told planets orbit in planar elipses around the Sun, while in fact they travel in spirals. Such travel is consistent only with Electromagetism. Maxwell required Hamiltonians, $D mathematics to describe Electromagnetism in 20 equations. These have been censored into 4.
The elite are correct not to trust those who allowed Vietnam etc to happen. The rump must be sequestered in a world governed by different rules, else they will destroy all of us.
The need for a reset is simple. Chaos is coming. Not human caused, that is a form of narcissistic disorder typical of non elite thinking.
Please don't be in too much of a hurry to rescue those who will grab onto you and drown you as well?
We are a vast conspiracy. We really ran the world. I am retired. Encouraging Darwin Awards is just one tool being employed. The Ukraine is a great way to use up old arms and violent people. Stay safe and do not practice nepotism. That is outlawed under the New Order!
And to maintain the position that stellar 'mechanics' is just kinematics plays well into the hand of the AGW scam.
G = 6.67 x 10^-11
Orbit time of the Moon is 27.32 days ... seems approx considering we need seconds - 2,358,720 secs
Distance? ... Mean distance of the Moon is 385,000 km
I get about about 8 x 10^43 (grammes?) ... expected result is 6*10^24 kg
The chaos is created due to our inability to do what we say we want.
What is our future except the waiting game?
Merriam-Webster: Definition of waiting game: a strategy in which one or more participants withhold action temporarily in the hope of having a favorable opportunity for more effective action later.
Not only is the financial and supply situation worsening by the day, but every government action rests on the ability to enforce it's decisions. Which requires police and military.
With those being equally affected by inflation, food, fuel and energy shortages, and possible bank troubles, this enforcement arm is weakening. There are ample examples of police and military turning against their principal, even last year here in law-and-order Austria.
But OTOH, most Western governments did not exactly shine with foresight and wisdom lately ...
. The change per year in the value of G ... so this changes the mass and distances of everything each year???
How does one claim a constant is universal, even in unknown unknown areas of space, and yet also claim the constant is actually changing on an annual basis?
But as you know, up is down, black is white, good is bad, censorship is freedom, and attendance is performance ...
A thing that Abrahamic religions call "sell one's soul to the devil".
I know quite a bit about Vietnam & why Wars are created, what’s behind balkanization efficacy tactics, divide & conquer doctrine & not in agreement about your comment about the elite. The sum & totality of the parts equal a far, far far bigger whole.
They chose & used Vietnam for many reasons. The whole Tavistock Institute of Human Relations was on fire, Hippie movement, Woodstock, Kent State, Civil Rights, Music Industry, Commie Hanoi Jane Stockholm Syndrome, a legit & genuine consciousness paradigm shift, Make Love Not War, Peace Symbol et al etc. It was a Cultural Revolution & experiment created from & by this War.
New seeds of thoughts were born, ideas emanated, germinated & fermented from that epoch/chronicle of events. They have been in control of all that & learned quite a bit from those socio-cultural machinations
The American Capitalist Pig vs. Russian/China Commie indoctrinated polemic was heavily exploited during period. Pol Pot was just a very small part of the polemic & galvanized a justification for the ignorant to rationalize their cause. Every war needs a bogey man & Ukraine‘s AZOV - Banderas Nazi crew conjured & pinged Pol Pot’s ghost is no different just a different bogey man.
Project Phoenix is a simple symbolic Masonic metaphor. QED. Some of it’s efficacy & lessons learned is/are still used today CONUS against American citizens & of course OCONUS. Technology was advanced by necessity which creates innovation & discovery, R&D testing via application. Agent Orange was developed by desire & necessity created from that War. Agent Orange formed the cornerstone & bedrock for other known chemical carcinogens still used today. The ingredients, components, compounds etc. from that desire to create a better herbicide, pesticide, exfoliant resulted in DuPont’s current product line which has been outlawed in certain countries for the very reason specified above. Agent Orange components still to this day claim lives & add to the multi-toxicity which contributes a small portion water it’s direct chemical contact or transfer range via soil biome contamination to the Terrain Theory.
I’m not even going to delve into the constellation of evidence & proof regarding ENMOD - GEOENGINEERING - WEATHER MANIPULATION programs of technology developed from Cloud Seeding & typhoons created to flood Ho Chi Min’s supply rat lines.
There is a veritable litany of other poignant reasons & other facts pertinent to Agent Orange but the crux & thrust of those data talking points are more detailed & not necessary. I could elaborate a ridiculous amount of information regarding & citing Robert McNamara’s books & involvement reasons he listed & other reasons he didn’t mention them. Had several high ranking family members that were there & tell me lots of other facts but simply not necessary.
Of course it’s human caused. Nature didn’t cause any of that organically. Terrain Theory was/is alive, well & still manifesting. Elite’s have always used those lessons leaned, gleaned & extrapolated from those kernels/nuggets/seeds of wisdom, truths, facts, experiments, byproducts, which in turn springboard-catapult into other frontiers. To this very day elite’s are still using those ideas, thoughts, researching, studying, leaning from that data. No different than today’s events, just a different time & space in the continuum. This is real Ouroboros doctrine in motion & play.
It is completely human caused. The real tour de force / Force Majeure is not Nature at all. That simply isn’t true or not even remotely correct. Thomas Malthus was right about some things & exploited by the evil Machiavellian minds.
Mao Zedong’s Chinese Famine wasn’t nature at all. The Chinese cleverly knew that by disrupting the Eco System’s natural State (I.e. Sparrows removed from food chain Eco system caused crops to be eaten by insects, locusts etc.) This resulted in some 30-60+ million deaths not counting births - interrupted births. None - zero of what’s contemporaneously happening is by natural design, natural causes. It’s human design & intervention that causes the problem & runs the Circus in Paradise Lost.
No matter how much they claim Ukraine is winning.
There are things coming up like a mini ice age [Link] or even comets perhaps that the elites could know about and not share with the rest of us. This could push their hand to reset now to secure their control after the cataclysm ended. The last thing they would want is balkanized groups that were strong and independent emerging after the "deluge" so to speak. They would want the remains of human civilization to be their civilization.
"that is a form of narcissistic disorder typical of non elite thinking."
The "narcissist disorder" I take as a sort of envy that the middle class has of the upper class in pathological types that want "funding" by the bankers to supposedly pursue their "interests". The lower classes look upwards and see even the middle class as the cause of all their suffering.
Just my thoughts on what Patrick might have meant. Patrick please don't allow me to stuff your mouth if you don't agree!
But this overarching belief seems to underpin much of the collective angst. So, can someone please tell me how human-nature can be extracted from Nature?
I suggest it can't. Nature is all-inclusive, so human-nature is part of it. Otherwise it's like the barren woman's child (a popular motif in Vedic philosophy).
Frankly, if humans destroy themselves, will the rest of the universe care? Will it care when the Sun goes supernova, long after humans have ceased to occupy this solar system? Would God care? Such God being infinite, what can be taken away from said God? Humans? Polar bears? Snail darters?
I just don't subscribe to the all the hand-wringing. Things come and go, like each of us and humanity and planets...I just hope the bankers go first
And no, I'm not a nihilist, or an optimist, or pessimist, or realist. I just like to think things through. I suppose it's my nature to do so.
If you take the idea that existence (of the universe) is cyclical, then when the "Sun goes supernova" will keep on happening. We will be decedents of "Adam and Eve" "eternal"....If human beings(occupying Homo sapiens bodies) are by destiny to discover that(which may have happened in numerous attempts in the "past" with lessons learned in higher states of awareness just shy of God), then we would want to break that cycle to be "free" to return to Kali [Link] "so to speak" without bodies or egos or identities. With that thinking(a theory) then humanity shares the common want of all creation to be "free". And that is what there is to universally "care" about and God (with a capital G) is waiting with loving grace.
And, thus eternal.
Had a bad acid trip once about 30 years ago. Actually most of the trip was fine, just one part was terrifying...then it wasn't (but left a really ominous impression for some time). I was in Hell, alone, standing on a needle-sharp stalagmite in an infinite field of other, unoccupied stalagmites, all rising from a sea of fire. It was terrifying to consider that fate for eternity, until....I realized that would make me eternal, thus, no worries! Bad trip over, now what to do with that?
Well, lots of meditation and contemplation later, that sense of eternity has become fairly well grounded. And yet, Kali persists, ready to upend it all
Once I chanted "Om Kali Namah", 108 times 108 rounds while sitting in 104-degree hot tub. Took about 3.5 hours. Sweated off 15 pounds even though I was drinking gallons of water. Burned a lot of fear away too. And regarding the link in your comment, Ramakrishna held Kali as his Ishtadevata, the form of the Supreme that he adored the most. Seems incongruous, but not so from my view.
It's an interesting consideration that the so-called goddess of death would be so compassionate. Unless, you realize that our eternal nature makes suffering seem silly, or at least like a bad acid trip, and that compassion just might mean destroying worlds ad infinitum through cycles within cycles within cycles until it becomes truly laughable how foolish all this hand-wringing is! That's why it's called Lila, the great play. Cosmic peekaboo. Thanks Mom/Kali Ma!
And as for the devil, evil incarnate? That is and must also be an agent of the Divine. It's all a joke, and we're the punch line. Read the story of demon king Ravana of Sri Lanka in the Ramayana. When it was time to defeat the demon, it was necessary to get Shiva's blessing by way of performing ritual Puja. But, it turned out that Ravana was the only one qualified to perform the Puja, and he being the highest of Shiva devotees, he obliged to his...doom? Hardly. He was in on the joke. They all were. We all are. Thus, the Cs refrain: "Enjoy the show!"
Can appreciate yours thoughts you shared.
Cheers
I try to primarily focus & comment on philosophy, theology, cosmogony, sciences, entertainment, policy, tyranny, oppression, twistory. Sometimes I fall short of that.
I can attempt explain & answer your questions but understand it takes years to study hermetic esoteric traditions, they’re philosophies, cosmologies, cults, symbols etc. Sun Tzu tenets of truth tell us the trust to study & know your adversary. Guess what ? Massive fail here by a very large number. I don’t portend to know what that actual # is.
It’s occulted & occluded & some areas of that are what’s called “speculative”. There for several very good reasons. They simple want to remain in control of the Mother ship & don’t want to many people knowing hence the ability to cyber remove one’s tongue. Weaponized truth as Orwell told us they would. Not there yet but they are trying nonetheless.
Most people won’t do the research necessary to understand, comprehend it. Like a KOAN of truth, esoteric gnosis/phrenosis/noetics/wisdom/nous et alia it resonates to them b/c they see it through a differently trained brain. The training is more focused on instinctive/intuitive thinking vs. indoctrination of nonsensical issues. Humans are programmed vectors of sorts. They have been & can indeed be predictably programmed even though they are analog entities as electro-chemical beings. Humans operate in the same frequency all life operates on Gaia @ 7.3 mhz. It’s difficult to get a tangible baseline b/c consciousness transcends into a whole spectrum of possibilities. As we see people experience reality - consciousness in different spectrums just as Mantis Shrimp sees his world in Thermo spectrum perspective. A Bald Eagle has 20/5 vision & can see 5 times further than a human sees his world. Hence the idiom Eagle Eye. This spawns & germinates seeds of thought towards all kinds of frontiers of thought about the great Mysterium, intelligent design/irreducable complexity etc. but not what I’m after towards explaining.
People are too lazy - comfortable - or scared/insecure to do any meaningful research about anything they know nothing about. EL-ties knew this long ago.
I suggest this link below b/c you didn’t mention it & I have no idea your background or knowledge base. I can see it & attempt to explain it but, only you can see it for you.
The Greek’s Demiurge concept is a good place to start if your frustrated b/c that a foundational origin of understanding is the bedrock of what they believe. Everything out side of true Nature is Plato’s Cave. [Link] I recommend more research than this obviously as is just a quick finger point telling you where to look. It gets deep into metaphors/parables/allegories/symbols & that is how they think, work together, communicate using those tools & methods. Next you have to understand hermetic alchemy & what it is, how it works, what it means etc. it has been said that this demiurge began after the flood or at least this is this group’s theology/philosophy.
‘If I were to attempt to answer your questions in the simplest manner I could it would be that those that know, can see it realize it’s a system within a system. El-ite’s use this system & are trying to create this other system of Globalism while crashing the old system (think like a OS update that they tell you is better but once you download it you realize you have been had & that new updated system completely sucks Dog Balls.) It’s a living active system as Phillip K. Dick tells us when he wrote “VALIS” (Vast Active Living Intelligence System). They wrote & write the OS we are living in. We are 24/7/365 always being programmed. They are the Architects of the Matrix Demiurge. One of that cult’s belief system’s God of the Demiurge was Abraxas. Very powerful God & a completely different training, method & indoctrination.
In short they are already having an internal revolution (Zionism) while us mortals observe. Silence is consent. Method of revelation remains arc of man made crisis after crisis. Until enough wake up or don’t just as Orwell’s Book said the will reign down on us. People need to unite in spirit to unify to fire the MGMT.
Here are my thoughts/research on Plato's Cave...First of all Plato hid so much data, he is a politician not a philosopher.
The shadows in the cave are cast by beings (gods with a small g that have names) that dwell in time/space one dimension up from our perception here on earth.
Their environment allows them to time travel and interact with our 3D space at any "time" past or present(with natural laws dictated by "choice" from higher states of awareness and being which we are all a part of that "choice" not separate). They are the ones that modify the past to dictate the future (the grey aliens are their robots). Their leaders want us to worship them as gods much like the Caesars of Rome wanted to be worshipped.
But these beings are not gods just more advanced life forms. Some are human beings who's state of awareness and bodies habitat 4D spaces(of which the best of us will are too). In fact, the human beings there are top dogs just like here. Their leaders are the ultimate elites.
They are part of "nature"(I think). In other words they occupy time and space and have "lives".
Their physical location in time/space is not on earth. Instead it is off world in the West Bank of Orion which is always 4D. Earth flips physically from 3D to 4D (the Astrological Ages cycle) when their physical realm crosses with ours. And we are on the threshold of that change from 3D to 4D right now as we enter Aquarius.
Right now until that wave arrives/realm border crossing, the "ultimate" elites have to indirectly interact through channelling (the "devil" whispering in our ears and modifications of our bodies by abductions and other indirect methods) preparing for their arrival where they "stuck in their ways" want to be worshipped again. So they want Earth human civilization in a nice central control "leash" so to speak.
Just my thoughts on this.
Matthew Ehret (Sott contributor) writing about the contemptuous Aristotle (perhaps the original mid-wit usurper of intelligent discourse? there's so many of them these days it's hard to know where it all started ) and his bastardization of Plato's teaching.
Let’s get started with the symbolism:
The chariot represents the physical bodyThe 5 horses each representing one of our senses: Sight, Hearing, Taste, Touch, Smell
The reins symbolize the mind. Our mind is connected to the senses and can drive our senses
The charioteer represents the intellect
The passenger represent the soul
Krishna represents the super soul or the inner witness
With this symbolism, our purpose in life as human beings is to use our mind and intellect to take the chariot (body) to the destination.
The destination is understanding life and attaining enlightenment.
Another interpretation of the horses, using Gurdjieff, would be they are the 5 lower brains, emotional, intellectual, moving, instinctive, and sexual. In this interpretation Krishna is higher brain function, higher emotional and higher intellectual driving the human being.
...In other words, is Krishna those guys over in the West Bank of Orion where in "Stair Way to Heaven"(Mother Ship Album) the line goes: [Link]
"There's a feeling I get
When I look to the west
And my spirit is crying for leaving"
Any thoughts on that? Do we become our unique Krishna?
"Zeta Orionis, the first of the three stars of Orion's Belt, counterpart in the sky of the Great Pyramid on the ground.
"O King, you are in the great star, the companion of Orion, who traverses the sky with Orion, who navigates the Netherworld with Osiris...O King, navigate and arrive".
Betelgeuse is thought to be only 10 million years old
I don't know how "science" explains such massive stars forming a mere 10 million years ago, whereas just 600 light years away, our Sun is thought to be 4.6 billion years old ... how does that work out?
If humans were around 10 million years ago, the sudden appearance of 2 of the 10 brightest objects in the night sky must have been very significant
"I don't know how "science" explains such massive stars forming a mere 10 million years ago, whereas just 600 light years away, our Sun is thought to be 4.6 billion years old ... how does that work out? "
Need to add one more physical/material dimension/plane (to access more than our single threaded 3D movie experience here on Earth) and another time dimension (I think). Then put that "eye" back towards that location in space. Sounds like a bit of a challenge but it would be awesome to achieve.
These thoughts aren't even half-baked. This introduction of Narayan into the equation has thrown me off quite a bit. I used to just consider it another name for Vishnu while holding Shiva as the highest (though lacking personality!). This new perspective points to an apparently. deeper, ontological significance to the personality of Narayan.
For what it's worth, I don't see any supposed avatars being limited by such categories as 4D, 6D, etc., because they operate as "one who knows Brahman is not less than Brahman." nevertheless, there's an interesting hierarchy associated with Kashmiri Shaivism (sorry, I don't have a good link) that doesn't precisely map to the 7D system developed from the Cs teachings, but it's possible to draw some comparison. 6D/7D are transcendent and ineffable, but I would suggest Brahman/Paramashiva is 7D/Godhead and 6D is the Supreme Person with sub-personalities/archetypes (i.e. Shiva, Parvati, Durga, Kali, Vishnu, Lakshmi, Brahma, Saraswati) ad-infinitum. The remaining realms would map to the Pancha Tattwa/five elements 5D is hard to describe just like it's hard to describe the state of deep sleep but it would correspond to the bliss sheath which is the first/highest level of undifferentiated ignorance, 4D would be heavenly (or demonic) realms administered by forms of the 6D personalities (here is where you get the stories of the Puranas) and associated with the wisdome sheath, 3D is the mental sheath where objectivity is king, 2D is driven by emotion/id, and 1D is purely gross physical exchange, i.e. food.
I don't see Gurdjieff's system of 5 lower brains corresponding precisely to this heirarchy, but I don't have the background to really say anything else about it.
Finally... Guruji clarifies that as we are to create our own Ram-Raj, which is the allusion to the perfect kingdom of Ram in Treta Yuga (my view is that Satta Yuga looks so different from the other three that the concept of kingdom/subjectivity is not even valid). The Ramayana describes a personality completely unaffected by the comings and goings of human life, yet fully able to respond even if there is no desire to do so. Thus, the goal is supposed to be liberation from subject/object consciousness and merging with the Divine, so in that sense, yeah. Then again, Krishna is a facsimile of a facsimile in a sense (same with Ram, or Buddha, or Christ Jesus, etc.), so they're not real in a sense, and there's no sense in striving for the unreal. "Brahman alone is Real." (Sri Adi Shankaracharya) It's their identification as That which is their reality, thus the goal (assuming agency is a thing, but I'm not convinced and growing more unconvinced by the minute) is to embody the same.
switching gears...
This sentence from Taoism(below) I have attempted to map to some of what you have said above. Your comments are very welcome to pick at it and see if it relates?
"The Tao that can be told is not the eternal Tao; the name that can be named is not the eternal name. The Nameless is the origin of Heaven and Earth; the Named is the mother of all things.", Lao Tzu
"the eternal Tao" & "The Nameless is the origin of Heaven and Earth" in my view has "stories" that can not be told because our existence (managed at the 6D level) separated (stepped down one level in the awareness stack from 7D) to have a "universe"/cosmos/existence separate from "God"... So things like "God only Knows" from The Beach Boys for example: [Link] comes into play... God with a big "G" is unnamed because only "God" knows the stories that can not be told. Only "God" knows what could be, what was, and isn't. 6D is all about what is "objective reality". So therefore, there is no way to map to a name in the Hindu tradition because there is no name to map to. Even the C's can not "see" that. But that is probably (in my view) what the realm boarder crossing represents as an opportunity to do so.
"the name that can be named is not the eternal name" would (going to take a stab at it) would be Lucifer (Christian dogma) or Narayan (maybe?) in that it comes "before". It is the (old maybe??) name chosen for the "existence"/cosmos when separating from "God" (the nameless).
"the Named is the mother of all things" . I take this as perhaps Kali? The name chosen at the "destruction of the world" (upon completion of the last avatar's work of the ages (Jesus/Budda/Krishna) but is purposely not named by the Cs because until there is "balance" in all things (between the dipoles of STS/STO we stay in "existence" at 6D). That is why (in my opinion) the Cs say their name is just the location they transmit through (previously transmitting from Pleiades - see Bringers of the Dawn: Teachings from the Pleiadians: https://www.amazon.com/Bringers-Dawn-Pleiadians-Barbara-Marciniak/dp/093968098X/ref=asc_df_093968098X/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=312009360408&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=255770266252149162&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9009738&hvtargid=pla-433034176494&psc=1&tag=&ref=&adgrpid=60223809297&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvadid=312009360408&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=255770266252149162&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9009738&hvtargid=pla-433034176494).
"The Tao that can be told" is the stories of the avatars and the ages. This is the on going story of our cyclical (going through the ages again and again until we get it right) existence.
Brahman alone is Real (my thoughts) is that is our collective mind (all of us aspiring parts of being and beings-"crystalized" material existence.) striving to line/up resonate with higher states of awareness so we can have the "Hope and Glory"/"Pomp and Circumstance" (3D representation https://youtu.be/R2-43p3GVTQ) when the realm boarder crossing arrives in the age of Aquarius/Kali. The "opportunity" the Cs's speak of:
Dec 3, 1994: This (in my view) is an excellent way to look at 4D-down. Thank you.
5D is the recycling zone (Purgatory in Christian dogma) where the bad ideas die and the good ones are retained but more work is needed. It is okay (in my mind) to have the bad parts of oneself stripped away and be given a new name profile during this process(or just yield as Billy Fingers did to already existing "god head"). It is a natural process. Retaining yourself (as ID in this life) is not something to concern oneself with in my option.
Hope your day is bright ge0m0!
I think Tao and Brahman, as terms, are not pointing to the same 'thing' (neither is a thing and both are ineffable). Tao is the natural order of the universe, and Brahman is beyond the universe. Thus, Tao, to me, is more like Shuddha Vidya, or the archetypal form of all manifestation, and thus is only part of Brahman.
I couldn't care less what happens at realm border crossings and convergence points. Those are all conditions (time/temporality is a biggie, maybe the biggest) and my goal, if I can even say that I have one, is to be conditionless. What is real is permanent, and what is bound by time is thus not real. Thus, Brahman alone is Real. Experience comes and goes and has nothing to do with Brahman.
The late Dr. David Hawkins (author of the Power vs. Force series, highly recommend) suggested that Earth is Purgatory. My view is that everything outside of 6/7D is Purgatory - it's all a classroom where experiential learning happens. I still like the 5D as deep sleep/bliss sheath. It's the first level of ignorance (see Panchadashi). Interesting that we use the term "ignorance is bliss" when the deepest wisdom might suggest that "bliss is ignorance." Simply identifying as other than Brahman is what makes for ignorance, and all the STO vs STS discussions lose meaning when the consideration is simply that "othering" of any kind is simply a case of mistaken identity. If it's all ONE, how can there be an other to serve that is different from the self.
IMO, that's the meaning of this Bible verse from Mark 12: If your neighbor is yourself, what other is there to serve? The Great Thou, also not other, but somehow more than simply me. Whether or not we know it, we always and everywhere are serving That. There simply is no other. So who serves whom?
What is beyond you refer to as also Brahman. And that to me is 7D(the beyond part). It may be all that is "real" as you put it. But it is not our "reality". Do we agree on that?
So the "Tao that cannot not named", "and the stories that can not be told", that to me is what you are referring to as the part of Brahman beyond 6D(Is it all that is "real" - yes I can agree with that). In Taoism it is the "eternal" (sounds like the only "real" too).
From my understanding there is no deity named Tao at all from that highly dense and complex statement(from Lao Tzu). By the way, I am not a follower of Taoism, or any one religion(more a theologian/alchemist mind set). My goal is only to understand better without conditions (much like you). I appreciate your very thoughtful responses. I am learning much in this interaction with you ge0m0
Moving on ...
I yield to the logic that "everything outside of 6/7D is Purgatory"(5D down the awareness state stack). Shakespeare said the devils are all here(on Earth) so I agree with you on that.
More on Billy Fingers journey (picked up the book again)...
The Cs described 5D as the "recycling zone". From reading about Bill Finger's journey I agree with you that there is a component of 5D involving a "deep sleep/bliss sheath" but I think that may only apply maybe for 2D beings(without individualized soul genes - just taking a guess there from the transcripts). For 3D beings. the ignorance part was not there, at least for Billy. There was more than that(described in the book). The journey described in the book also provided knowledge to the being experiencing it. It started with a review of his life. But then there was this like ego stripping process(there are a lot more details in the book). There was a soul tribe member that kept gently explaining all his issues, and listening intently to all his responses. Bit-by-bit all his quirks like being a prick on earth, a drug addict, a drug dealer, a killer, and a sexist, slowly dissolved away...He described it to his sister that: "I used to be a "wise guy" but now I am a "wise man". There was a test at one point, where he said he almost wanted to return to earth upon seeing his first wife young again, but decided to go further in reviewing his experiences and what he was learning. In the end(ID Billy Fingers on Earth) was "blissfully" stripped away, it was Shvara Lohana (soul tribe) that his experiences of "value" where added too. His soul tribe was what this deity represented. At that point who he was on Earth was incorporated into her as part of "his" soul tribe. Does that name "Shvara Lohana" mean anything to you(she was a female deity)?
Moving on to STS/STO etc.... The Cs from the beginning said that in the last round it was all about power. And Atlantis was a very controlling hierarchical society. My understanding is that the Cs are informing us in the "past"/"now" because "we" wanted to pursue knowledge and trough that, achieve the state they are in when communicating to us (a balance between STO/STS) instead of tipping the scales to STS and staying in this "existence" instead of trying something new that is "real". Your thoughts very welcome on all this.
When I first read Power vs Force, I had the desire to meet Hawkins, not knowing much about him. Then one morning shortly thereafter, while walking my other dog, a German Shepherd, we came across a baby Hawk that was ill. I tied up my dog, and took the Hawk in trying to give it water and ground up meet, but it died. I realized at that point that Hawkins was dead. He died in 2012 I think. As Ge0m0 notes Power vs Force is the first of a trilogy. that gives a modern view of awakening.
A problem is that many forces would have us not love ourselves
Now, they are withdrawing the tomatoes ... they are taking out the real asset backing and all that is left is promises.... an asset backed by a promise from a bank that is failed is worthless. It has taken a long time to get here. We now need a quick collapse. Sadly, that will take more months and maybe years as those on the wrong side struggle to use governments to reverse the falling values.
The Rich are engaging in clearing out those who thought they were playing the same game.
Covid, wars, etc all fill in the passage of time and hasten collapse...
The idea of soul is not clear to me, but it seems to be an agglomeration of information rolled up into unique perspective that is not only formed by that information but is also part of it. (Love your neighbor as yourself?). To me, and I think this correlates with Cs, 1D-2D perspectives lack interiority - they don't have the capacity for self-reflection, which i see as looking inside one's self. Erosion is a good analogy. Water (consciousness) washes away the walls of a canyon. Slowly over time the canyon changes shape, and thus does the quality of the echoes (perception/conception in mind) in that canyon. Each crack and crevice in the canyon walls can be like a different soul, and the whole canyon a soul tribe. So, as the source/voice (6D) calls out across the canyon, the echo that comes back is reflected from each crack and crevice in the canyon walls and resonates harmoniously as the response from the whole canyon. As the canyon continues to erode over time, it eventually erodes to nothing and there is no longer any echo, just pure voice, The Word, OM.[Link] What's the difference? Who are the Cs? Who am I? Who is Shiva/Shakti, Narayan/Laskshmi? Who is the Buddha? Who is Krishna? Who is Christ? Who is Caesar? Who is The One playing this game as The Many ?
Tat twam asi! That thou art!
I met Hawkins back in the early aughts. He used to give Dharma talks with some regularity, mostly out west. The one time I saw him was, as far as I recall from his schedule, the only time he gave a talk east of the Mississippi, and it happened to be in my home town, Vienna, VA.
Of his books I recommend "Eye of the Eye" and "I" the most, but I like them all. His writing style is very dense and academic, but I like technical writing so...
(Miracle of We is taken from Ken Wilber's work)
I love life! :-)
Other than that, an excellent overview.