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Wait, what? Poland demands Norway hand over oil revenues profits to support Ukraine war effort

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Mon, 23 May 2022 17:38 UTC

Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki

Polish PM Mateusz Morawiecki has accused the Nordic country of making "unjust" oil and gas money amid the Ukraine conflict

Norway should share the "excess" profits it's been making as oil and gas prices soar amid the ongoing conflict between Russia and Ukraine, Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki said at the National Youth Dialogue Congress on Saturday.

"But should we be paying Norway gigantic money for gas - four or five times more than we paid a year ago? This is sick," he said, claiming that the excess of the annual average gas and oil profit "will exceed €100 billion" this year for a country of five million people like Norway.

"They should share these excess profits. It's not normal, it's unjust. This is an indirect preying on the war started by Putin," the PM said.

Morawiecki also urged young Poles to go and shame their Norwegian "friends" over the fat gas profits online to push the country into sharing the wealth.

"Write to your young friends in Norway," he said. "They should share it immediately," Morawiecki stated, adding that it shouldn't necessarily be shared with Poland, but with Ukraine.

Meanwhile, Poland's main gas company, state-controlled PGNiG SA, saw its Ebitda (or earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation, and amortization) profits almost double in the first quarter, reaching some $2.19 billion, writes Bloomberg. The profit was primarily generated by the Norwegian unit of the state-owned Polish company, which accounted for almost half of the massive figure.

Moreover, Poland was actively stocking up on gas before getting cut off by Russia, with German Gascade reporting a major spike in reverse gas flow in late April. Moscow stopped the gas supply to the country last month following Warsaw's refusal to pay for fuel in rubles under a new scheme rolled out by Russia in response to the European sanctions.

Poland has seen its demand for gas steadily grow in recent past years as the country strives to phase-out old coal-fired equipment. Warsaw is expected to complete a gas pipeline from Norway later this year, a major project expected to help Poland to reduce its reliance on Russian gas.

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Tchoutoye · 2022-05-24T03:43:40Z

Me thinks this a lot of grandstanding to hide the fact that, despite the sanctions, many European countries are secretly still buying "not Russian" Russian oil.

codis · 2022-05-24T04:51:51Z

Why do those envious communists only want to share other people's incomes, but not their chore ?

I think Poland is damned. Sorry for the common man there ...

KRNABRNY · 2022-05-24T05:05:45Z

codis What you see right now is a game of breaking up the EU internally.

So far, Poland has borne the greatest costs of the war in Ukraine. From the statistics I know,

Poland accepted about 63% of ALL REFUGEES from Ukraine.

There is even a subsidy program for each Ukrainian child of PLN 500 / month.

Poland was forced to give up Russian gas and coal as an act of protest.

She was forced to close all business with Russia.

Taking into account the fact that it is the closest to Russia, these interests were probably the most numerous.

Poland is also used to be a transfer country for all weapons sent to Ukraine.

In this light, the declaration of Mr. Morawiecki looks completely different.

However, I personally think that his intention is not the good of Poland, but, as I wrote above, the internal fragmentation of the EU. As I mentioned, Mr. Morawiecki is a Jew, he is not a Pole, just like Mr. Żeleńki is a Jew and not a Ukrainian.

So much for the topic....

KRNABRNY · 2022-05-24T05:13:08Z

KRNABRNY When it comes to sharing someone else's income, I can only write one thing.

When Poland entered the EU, some 25 years ago, the EUR / PLN exchange ratio was already established at 1: 4

For every 1 euro you had to pay 4 PLN.

It was supposed to be temporary, but this state is maintained until today, which means that the average Pole has to work 4 times more to earn the same. This blockade means that Poland, as a country, has NO CHANCES to be competitive, but rather it is used as a base for cheap labor. But that's a bit off topic.

However, I recommend that you be cautious in formulating your opinions.

codis · 2022-05-24T07:05:19Z

KRNABRNY

Poland was forced to give up Russian gas and coal as an act of protest.

She was forced to close all business with Russia.

Taking into account the fact that it is the closest to Russia, these interests were probably the most numerous.

Poland is also used to be a transfer country for all weapons sent to Ukraine.

In this light, the declaration of Mr. Morawiecki looks completely different.

That is a matter of interpretation.

Hungarian prime minister Orban refused to sanction Russian gas, and to have weapons transferred using Hungarian territory.

While this might cause some hardship near-term, I think Orban sees the EU weakening and collapsing. And he doesn't want to chain his country to a sinking ship.

I got the suspicion the Polish government is blinded by the prospect of regaining all this West-Ukrainian territory. The "special agreement" with Zelensky lately points in that direction.

However, they are leaving out the Russian side. I guess we might soon see what differenciates a "special military operation" from "war" from a Russian perspective.

However, I personally think that his intention is not the good of Poland, but, as I wrote above, the internal fragmentation of the EU. As I mentioned, Mr. Morawiecki is a Jew, he is not a Pole, just like Mr. Żeleńki is a Jew and not a Ukrainian.

Exactly.

KRNABRNY · 2022-05-24T07:21:23Z

codis This is not a question of interpretation but of possibilities. Mr. Orban could afford it because Hungary is not as strategically located as Poland. Currently he is withdrawing from his views, the pressure is getting too strong.

codis · 2022-05-24T07:58:57Z

KRNABRNY Hungary is bordering Ukraine as well. And enjoying the prospect of possible territorial gains from this war.

Surely to a much lesser degree.

Currently he is withdrawing from his views, the pressure is getting too strong.

We will see.

Other EU countries have submitted to reality, and refuse to go along with most sanctions. Their oligarchs are not ready to commit economic suicide on the EU altar of the "Great Reset" ideology, and they are pushing back hard on their governments.

Large, complex systems like economies of a country often imply a significant lag between cause and effect. The damage is already done, and it's going to be a very stormy autumn and a cold winter, I guess.

Saiko · 2022-05-24T08:56:21Z

KRNABRNY There are also subsidies for adult Ukrainians, both direct and ones for employers of these. Saying that it is unfair is a big understatement.

KRNABRNY · 2022-05-24T09:03:12Z

codis Yes, this is how you can talk for a long time.

So I must explain my views here in order not to take anybody's time. As I wrote, I believe that the cycle will be closed soon.

Means something that already took place cyclically, and is one type or another of a cataclysm. It is known from history that history itself was then rewritten, few people remained in the world. In my opinion, what is called the New World Order today is misunderstood by people.

It is not about the NOW world order, but about the New Order .... AFTER THE EVENT, that is, after the end of the cycle. All we can see right now are preparations for the event, so for me personally NO MATTER.

codis · 2022-05-24T10:21:58Z

KRNABRNY I wholeheartedly agree.

It is not about the NOW world order, but about the New Order .... AFTER THE EVENT ...

Only, I am not sure to what extent the the "elite" and politicians are aware of this event, and to what extent they are planning beyond it.

Yes, this is how you can talk for a long time.

Right.

Our main focus should now be to prepare for this event, and the political unrest probably happening on the way. Case closed - for me.

KRNABRNY · 2022-05-24T10:58:21Z

codis "Only, I am not sure to what extent the the "elite" and politicians are aware of this event, and to what extent they are planning beyond it.

"

As always, it depends on the level of initiation. There are those who know, others guess, others do not know what's going on and are surprised, others just do their job because they pay them for it and do not penetrate. :-))

KRNABRNY · 2022-05-24T13:50:05Z

KRNABRNY I will add a glossary.

"The Great Reset" - this is an event. kataclism, close the cycle

"New World Order" - this is the arrangements for the AFTER THE EVENT. Like the borders, they were already established DURING and sometimes BEFORE the 2nd World War and the whole world order.

Gator ·

KRNABRNY

· 2022-05-24T18:19:01Z

smertzasmert · 2022-05-24T06:56:43Z

EU was created to homogenize Europe and impose one legal ethic, one currency on member nations. from the beginning poor nations were subsidized---Ireland, Portugal, Greece. Now Poland, the Baltics,Romania,Bulgaria are also. the polish farce is that they believe Norway should subsidize a non-EU nation, ukraine

KRNABRNY · 2022-05-24T07:22:54Z

smertzasmert " from the beginning poor nations were subsidized"

Does my colleague have any evidence of this apart from politicians' declarations? ;-)

Tsidkenu · 2022-05-24T07:44:46Z

KRNABRNY smertz rarely has evidence for anything, and also rarely, if ever, responds to comments.

codis · 2022-05-24T12:14:44Z

KRNABRNY I think he is wrong in the long run.

While poorer nations got subsidizes, they had to sell out their country's resources, and are indebted until kingdom come.

codis · 2022-05-24T12:15:17Z

Tsidkenu That's because he is a bot. I'm pretty sure of ...

Tiu · 2022-05-24T20:41:10Z

smertzasmert Norway isn't even an EU member.

As for Poland, they are a hazard not only to themselves, but the whole of Europe. They are paranoid and psychotic - and not without good reason, the reason being their own prejudices, beliefs and actions. They are incapable of learning from history and therefore are only going to repeat their past mistakes.

Dwoods44 · 2022-05-24T12:30:46Z

I agree with krnabrny that Poland's PM statements indicates rising tensions in the EU regarding fuel and food. Poland, as seen in the visits from the USA puppet government, is under the USA/CIA/NATO thumb, and is doing the bidding of them. The real problem for the EU is the EU being under the globalist thumb.

KRNABRNY · 2022-05-24T13:47:42Z

Dwoods44 If a friend wants to know more about this piece of the world, he will explain it a bit.

Poland, more or less since 1000 y, HAS NO OWN RULERS, KINGS.

Why?

Because then Christianity introduced by fire and sword got here. From then on, most of the kings were former "suitcase" men!

If your friend does not believe it, please check the origin of Polish kings.

It is no different today. I will tell my colleague this much. Even the accession to the EU was forged.

I know this because I was here then. People didn't vote at all, there were empty buildings.

I am sure that the minimum number of votes was not reached at all.

Moreover, after the collapse of the USSR, Poland became completely defenseless.

Today it is easy to say unpleasant words to Russians about Poles. But they have already forgotten how they fell quite recently and left all countries such as Poland, Hungary, Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia. All these countries did not have the strength to defend themselves. It was then that the plunder was carried out, calling it "privatization".

So much for the topic.

ReRan · 2022-05-24T15:54:18Z

KRNABRNY Thanks for the local perspective! Sitting here in Canada, I really appreciate yours and Codis' view of things.

codis · 2022-05-24T16:07:55Z

ReRan

Sitting here in Canada, I really appreciate yours and Codis' view of things.

Austria gets most of its gas from Russia.

Less than a mile away (living in a town 7500 inhabitants), there is a local gas storage owned by an Austro-Russian joint venture. I will not speak out against the Russians, or else I'm sitting in the cold and dark this winter ...

Heck, thinking of it, they could pay me some money ...

KRNABRNY · 2022-05-24T17:10:57Z

ReRan For today only one question remains .... WHEN?

I mean when will what is called the Great Reset, the closing of the cycle or a cataclysm occur?

I have studied history over the years, and I must admit that taking into account the great historical turmoil, the change of calendars is almost impossible to establish. I don't know if you are aware that there is no certainty what the year is now. It's very likely it's 2007, not 2022.

What are the certainties?

Basically, I found some information from several sources that the cycle is 676 years long. The last closure of the cycle occurred in 1348, which history recorded as the Great Black Death plague. 1348 + 676 = 2024. I think everyone understands. There would be no major problem if the calendar remained unchanged from 1348, but it was different.

ReRan · 2022-05-24T18:32:07Z

KRNABRNY Will the closing of the cycle involve a cataclysm? It seems both could happen simultaneously. As you said, WHEN?

KRNABRNY · 2022-05-25T07:19:12Z

ReRan Considering only the historical facts, the whole thing is quite simple to recognize as long as you study the notes a little.

As I wrote earlier, we had a cycle closing in:

Black Death - 1348

Justinian's plague- about 542

Before that, there was a flood around 20 b.e.-0 year.

The Flood seems to have had a source other than that of the later plagues.

We have had another recognizable period of the cataclysm in history, but it did not have to be natural. It is the period of a small ice age. It seems that this glaciation did not have a natural cause. The chroniclers' records point to a nuclear winter rather. The texts say that people were warned then, and that winter lasted continuously for 3 years. We find descriptions of the explosion itself everywhere, even in ancient legends like the Indian Mahabharata. Where is the description of the explosion, the behavior of people who knew about the harmful effects of the rays, because everyone in their clothes jumped into the water. The effects of radiation sickness are also well described there.

This is the case today.

codis · 2022-05-25T09:53:52Z

KRNABRNY

As I wrote earlier, we had a cycle closing in:

Black Death - 1348

Justinian's plague- about 542

Before that, there was a flood around 20 b.e.-0 year.

The Flood seems to have had a source other than that of the later plagues.

...

The effects of radiation sickness are also well described there.

I am quite confident this is fully correlated to the solar cycle(s) often described at the Suspicious0bserver YT channel.

The next 12.000 year cycle, usually concluding with an extinction-level micronova event, is due now, and expected in the next two decades.

The last one of this kind was the Younger-Dryas event, the "noah flood" was only a half-cycle event ...

KRNABRNY · 2022-05-25T11:35:28Z

codis I used to think that too, but it is not correct in time.

Of course, the sun has its cycles, but they are too slow in relation to the events.

In the records of many cultures, however, there is information about a cosmic event.

Most likely it was the crash of the planet between Mars and Jupiter, where there is now a pile of scrap metal.

Earth is most likely a piece of this large planet.

It is possible that other larger debris have fallen into some wide orbit and are approaching the Earth from time to time.

Because most cataclysms were preceded by comets, or what we now call asteroids.

We can see the changes even in calendars. The early applications, ALL AND WORLDWIDE, speak of a year of 360 days. It is only after the event that the Earth has slowed down and has approximately 365 days of orbit around the sun.

The ancients could not be so wrong, in fact the year was 360 days. Even Mesoamerican calendars show it.

So it cannot be just a matter of the sun, which of course plays a role, but over very long time intervals.

codis · 2022-05-25T11:51:33Z

KRNABRNY

Of course, the sun has its cycles, but they are too slow in relation to the events.

Below the mentioned 12.000 year cycle, there are shorter ones. 6000 years, 3000 years, 1500 years, and so on.

One of the shortest is the (well known) 11 years cycle, cause by a flip of the sun's magnetic field. And, if I remember correctly, the sun takes about one month for one full rotation (the equivalent to a day on earth).

KRNABRNY · 2022-05-25T12:51:27Z

codis yes i know, but as you see all cycles are to long in compared to our history, even 1500 years.

These cycles are similar to the galactic ones, where a full revolution of the Earth takes 24 000 years.

These are such huge spaces of time that they are completely useless for us.

codis · 2022-05-25T13:33:14Z

KRNABRNY

These cycles are similar to the galactic ones, where a full revolution of the Earth takes 24 000 years.

Assuming we are clear these are all rounded numbers - this 24.000 year cycle is called the precession cycle, the time it takes for the zodiacs to do one full circle on the night sky.

Collating it with other information (can't remember where I read that), this is the time the solar system takes to do one "circle" on it's spiral path around the galactic center. During this 24.000 year period, it goes twice through the magnetically charged central plane, which causes the solar micronovas.

And if I remember correctly, the solar system takes about 250 million years to circle around the galaxy.

These are such huge spaces of time that they are completely useless for us.

Yes, not so interesting on an individual level.

Rife · 2022-05-24T12:32:05Z

Poland, unfortunately, is a vassal state of the US, England and NATO. The US will use and abandon Poland like a ten dollar whore. It is also puzzling to see so many Jews being "elected" in these Slavic countries, as they are not particularly fond of them....

KRNABRNY · 2022-05-24T13:39:15Z

Rife Here they "choose" Jews, and in your case they prefer old people with dementia. What country is a custom :-)

Tiu · 2022-05-25T02:36:32Z

Rife Poland is a mentally deficient pawn of the US, UK and NATO who will end up getting chewed up and spat out, just like the last time.

They are too stupid to think rationally and instead spend their time making ludicrous demands against Russia which play into the US, UK and NATO hands, and naval gazing as they dream about a mythical era of greatness from over a millennia ago - which as with any 1,000 plus year old myth will have been greatly embellished over the centuries (and was largely the result of the collapse of the Western Roman Empire leaving a vacuum).

KRNABRNY · 2022-05-25T07:22:42Z

Tiu You are right, we Poles, we are too stupid to think rationally.

Tiu · 2022-05-25T20:47:59Z

KRNABRNY The Poles I've met display a curious duality of highly intelligent but immensely stupid which I find a bit strange.

KRNABRNY · 2022-05-26T04:45:34Z

Tiu Also right, Poles are strange :-)

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