All about transgender rights is it? No. It's the latest in a long line of monstrous attacks on objective reality. It's the exchanging of absolute truth, for a stinking lie. But oh how we love our lies these days. We love to tell ourselves how tolerant we are, and in our zeal to prove it, our tolerance extends to calling A B, up down, inside out, or anything else that takes our fancy in our infantile age.
A lie? That's a bit harsh isn't it? Well, there are a number of things on a birth certificate that are objectively true and can never be altered without offending history or nature or both. Change them and what would you call it?
Let me introduce you to Mr John Brown. John was born in Cambridge on 3rd September 1965 and it says so on his birth certificate. These are facts. Historical truths which you alter only if you are into falsifying facts.
John wasn't born in Canterbury. He wasn't born in New York. Nor Sydney. He can't have been born in any of those places, or indeed anywhere else for that matter, because he was born in Cambridge. A = A, therefore A cannot = non A.
But John doesn't much like Cambridge you see. He doesn't identify with it. He's rather taken with the Caribbean island of St. Lucia and would like permission to alter his birth certificate to say that he was born there.
Should we let him? It wouldn't make much difference to you and I, would it? But it means a lot to John. He loves St. Lucia and feels like that's where he was meant to be born. Why not let him indulge his harmless fantasy, especially as his feelings might be hurt if we don't?
Because it's not true, that's why. It's a bold, bald, barefaced lie. He wasn't born in St. Lucia, he was born in Cambridge. Fact. Period. Get over it John.
Then there's John's wife, Catherine. Her birth certificate says she was born on 6th October 1967, but she doesn't much fancy being the big 5-0. Dreads it in fact. Says she still feels mid-40s, and so she wants the right to amend her birth certificate to shave 5 years off her age. Very tempting for the state, that one. Why, the Exchequer could get another half decade of taxes out of her before she gets her pension.
So why not let her? Because it's not true. It's a lie. She was born in 1967 and that's that. Fact. Period.
Harriet Young's birth certificate says she was born to Colin and Georgina Young. The problem with that, though, is Harriet hates her parents. Her father was an alcoholic who abused her, and her mother cared little about her. She wishes she had had the kind of parents that some of her friends had. She'd love to expunge her own parents' names from her birth certificate and replace them with something else.
Should we let her? No. Why? Because it's a lie. It's not true. It may we'll be a truth that she doesn't much like, but it's truth all the same. Fact. Period.
Ah but here comes David Grond. He was born with a penis. The midwife saw it and it caused her to proclaim "it's a boy". Was she in error? Was she a liar? Stupid perhaps? Or did she simply not understand just how mutable biology would come to be in the near future?
But now because David feels it's all been a dreadful mistake and that the penis should never have been put there in the first place, instead of saying to him, "but it is, David, get used to it", we're going along with his make believe, and we're going to let him change the truth for a lie on his birth certificate.
How many times should we let him do it? Once? Twice? Should we let him change his sex a couple of times a year if he really feels that way? Oh don't be so stupid and bigoted, comes the response. We're only going to let him change it because he now identifies as the opposite sex. It's not going to be constant change. Ah, but in a society which now has only one constant - constant flux - you need to be at least hypothetically prepared to allow for those with Seasonably Variant Gender Dysphoria (SVGD). They feel this way in the Spring, that way in the Summer, no way in the Autumn and who knows in the Winter. Are you prepared to let them change their birth certificates whenever they feel like it? Or are you going to join the line of bigots and phobics, only a little way down the line?
And so whilst we wouldn't dream of allowing someone to alter things as objectively true as the date on which they were born, the place where they were born, and the parents they were born to, we're going to grant people the "right" to alter an equally objective fact at the stroke of a pen.
Why would we do this? To any sane and sober generation, it would be obvious that if there's a tension between objective reality and subjective feelings, it's the feelings that need to change to conform to the objective reality and not the other way around. Anything else is simply trying to bend truth to your own reality, and this does no one any favours, least of all the one insisting on the reality inversion.
If a person insists that a bull can give milk, you don't let them go and lop off the bulls bits in order to try to prove it, do you? You point out to them that it is the cow, the one with the teats, not the bull, that gives milk. You can even demonstrate it to them objectively, if they don't agree, and in so doing you can show that in the dispute between their feelings on the subject, and the anatomy of bulls and cows, it's the feelings, not the bovines, that are in error.
And yet here we are, busy making subjective feelings king over objective reality. Neat idea? Not exactly. Possibly one of the worst and most self-destructive ideas humans have ever come up with. And note that it's nothing much to do with transgenderism, as such. Those poor people caught up in this fog of confusion are just mere canon fodder in the midst of something else entirely.
What it is, is simply the latest manifestation of what we've been living through for decades, and which is now reaching its crescendo. It's a War on Reality. An Assault on Objective Truth. It's the Death of Meaning.
The Death of Meaning? Really? Yes really. Think again about what midwives say at each and every birth. They say 'it's a boy'. Or 'it's a girl'. But if a boy can be emasculated at a whim and the stroke of a pen, then her words are meaningless. It might be a boy, but we don't know yet. It could be a girl, but we can't yet be sure. We need to wait a few years to see what the 'it' decides about 'itself'. The midwife's words are dead words, devoid of meaning, and we might as well prohibit her by law from saying them. When will we see the first lawsuit brought against a midwife for offending the parents with her bigoted pronouncement?
In which case goodbye girls, goodbye boys. Goodbye men, goodbye women. Goodbye what it means to be a man, goodbye what it means to be a woman. And no I don't mean that a penis maketh a man, or that a vagina maketh a woman. I mean that if we can't state categorically that this person is a boy who will, barring an untimely death, become a man, then we cannot possibly retain any concept of what growing up into a man and being a man actually means. Likewise with the females. It's all utterly meaningless. We are just a collection of sterile entities who no longer know who we are, what we are, much less what we are for.
Look, if your society cannot trust a midwife to proclaim authoritatively on the identity of the baby she has just delivered; if her objectively true pronouncement can now be questioned and set aside by a person's feelings and the stamp of officialdom, then here's the rub: your society is toast. It's had it.
Just stand back and watch it hurtle towards the cliff edge at an ever faster rate, since constant flux tends to develop a will of its own and has no brakes. Just watch the mad people in charge try to lull us, with all the subtlety of Wormtongue himself, into thinking that all is well and that we're nasty extremists if we refuse to accept the new reality. Just watch as they themselves stand gobsmacked as those who take the baton from them take the agenda into places that even they would not have dared to tread or even thought possible. Idolising constant change and mutability is like that. It bites even the hand that feeds it.
And so the War on Reality, the Assault on Objective Truth, the Death of Meaning heads towards its frenzied and mad crescendo. Pray that it is swift, and start planning how to rebuild our society from the bottom up, out of the wreckage of this infantile era and its mad rush to defy truth and reality.
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I'm undergoing some alternative medicine, according to which the iodine wasn't being absorbed, and this should hopefully change in the process. I'll report back at Cass if anything ever comes of it. So far it seems my body just isn't reacting to anything.
I love the name of the cited source, "The Blogmire" because it is exactly descriptive of what appears above.
Just for 'fun', maybe go to the site and scroll down to read his comments at this [Link] .
More on this when I have yet more time to waste . . .
In the meantime does anybody taking a 'side' such as that espoused above have any notion that perhaps the flesh is transient, that the soul is not; that the incarnation into a mortal coil with an XX or XY pairing of 'sex' chromosomes is, as the Cs have said, something of a roll of the dice; that the development of one's 'gender identity' does not necessarily proceed lockstep with the XX or XY sex-definition of the said mortal coil.
Note in foregoing the absolutely clear differentiation between physical sex, XX or XY, and gender identity and the possibility of non-lockstep development of one with the other.
That said, those for whom such development does not occur lockstep are 0.1 or 99.9 percentile groups of outliers who, it can be fairly observed, want no more than a 'best compromise' life for themselves the achievement of which necessitates literal years of treatment, surgical and otherwise, tens upon tens of thousands of dollars in expense, often decades of abuse for 'presenting' in the world the way they feel themselves to be - sometimes being beaten to death or otherwise destroyed for their troubles - and, on top of that only partial list, being subject to blitherings of dipshits and haters such as here-given-space above.
Mental illness:
Someone with BIID who favors the amputation of their right leg because they feel that that leg is not part of their body, will be first dealt with through intense therapy and medication. Granting someone that request of amputation because they now identify as an amputee or disabled person would not be welcomed in the medical world, yet transgender is. To the extreme that Doctors are quick to offer puberty suppressor and hormonal drugs to a minor or worse a child without letting the psychological aspects of maturity and exploration work its magic.
Whats to say in the future:
Lets look at a 22 yr old Schizophrenic named Steve: Steve has many personalities in which one named "Roger" is a Pedophile and one named "Susan" is a 15 year old teenager. Should it be ok to let Steve identify as Rodger? You see Steve believes himself to whole heartily be Rodger and not Steve, in fact Rodger has 3 fingers missing on his left hand and walks with a limp from a motorcycle accident. Would medicine approve of Steve transitioning, including corrective surgery, into Rodger after all it is his human right to do so, right? If they do not, they disallow him his human right to be who he identifies as, and if the do, they risk putting a pedophile on the street. A complete psychological change.
Now look at Steve transitioning into Susan: Again if they do not its a human rights violation, if they do, they risk putting a 22 yr old "man", who identifies with being a 15 year old girl along with all 'her' psychological aspects, including dating 'boys'.
Those scenarios seemed ludicrous yet they are not indifferent. Once a can of worms is open, they all scramble out.
And no, the worms do not ' . . . all scramble out'. They only 'scramble out' when the uniformed begin touting their ignorant points of view as unabridged fact.
I continue to be amazed by the simply bullshit 'logic' people attempt to plaster on this legitimate and supremely difficult matter, a matter in respect of which I have not yet had so much as one intelligent conversation in the several years this topic has been haphazardly bandied about on these pages.
Doubly amazing as these are touted as pages for 'People Who Think' and, we're supposed to believe, do so with some actual objectivity.
Very simply, no one to date has expressed so much as the first accurate notion in respect of the actual nature of this 'Uninvited Dilemma' and yet, by God, you do run your mouths.
This called gossip . . .
Here's a [Link] to 'The Uninvited Dilemma' on Amazon while below is an even handed review:
"The Uninvited Dilemma is truly a remarkable achievement, seeking as it does, to elucidate the lay person to the multitude of complexities surrounding transsexualism. Kim Elizabeth Stuart manages to incorporate both the medical aspects (consequences of SRS and hormone therapy etc) and the personal accounts of her interviewees, by using examples of the latter to illuminate the former. The only real criticism I can honestly level a this book - and it is one levelled at many others in this particular field - is the paucity of personal accounts from those individuals who, whilst felt different growing up, could not articulate that sense of 'otherness' until their mid to late twenties, or even later. Approximately 85% of those interviewed knew that their body's gender was incongruous with thier mental gender from being a small child. I feel that the book would have benefited from more than the odd quote from the other 15% who did not know so early on in life. Indeed, whilst the use of real life anecdotes from M-F and F-M transexuals (or 'former' transsexuals) worked beautifully, the lack of them however, seemed a little unfortunate. Thus, if these two points had been addressed, I would happily rate this book ... [five stars]."
"And no, the worms do not ' . . . all scramble out'. They only 'scramble out' when the uniformed begin touting their ignorant points of view as unabridged fact". What I meant was that with the opening of the door to be able to identify with what ever you feel on the day, opens the can of worms for anybody to do so regardless of ingenuity or not. With that uninformed or informed is moot, agenda becomes key.
Explain Gender Dysphoria and Gender Nonconformity. Subtract the linguistic placement, they both regulate to be identical. However, gender nonconformity, as stated by the APA, is as not a mental disorder, but Gender dysphoria is not clearly labeled. So the APA must indulge in the fact that it may possibly be a mental issue.
As far as children go: [Link]
Of course it doesn't and nothing in what I said above even suggests it might, nor was it in any way my intention to allude to same however sidelong. That said, I'm unclear as to what you mean when you say, " . . . the issue." What issue are you speaking of ? ?
My point , speaking in respect of what we reckon hereabouts to be 'souled' individuals, was/is that, possibly, a soul 'manifesting' from 5th into 3rd might well be doing so with a very clear intention to live a life requiring an XX or an XY mortal coil but, as the Cs have said, actually 'landing' in one's coil of choice can be something of a 'roll of the dice'.
And let's say a soul had it 'in mind' to mother another soul, in particular let's say, but 'lands' instead in an XY body, are we to assume that the the soul's female intention blinks out, or, does it linger, perhaps very strongly and lifelong, giving the only-apparent 'man' reason to say things like, "I'm not a man, I don't feel male, I don't like male culture because, largely, it's shallow and One Thing obsessed and all that 'stuff' down there is hideous."
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Now, I have an hour and a half into this today and the of specter of work looms . . .
I'll certainly reply to any comments later on . . .
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Dealing with first things first: the early treatment of the young is a truly difficult call for any clinician not blessed with an ability to clearly 'see' right into the youngster, and obviously rare capability.
So how to proceed then ? ? I don't know but I think it safe to say that 'caution' is the watchword.
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Quoting:
"Mental illness:
Someone with BIID who favors the amputation of their right leg because they feel that [the] leg is not part of their body, will be first dealt with through intense therapy and medication. Granting someone that request of amputation because they now identify as an amputee or disabled person would not be welcomed in the medical world, yet transgender is."
This makes no sense. Once again you attempt ridiculous conflation, positing an equivalence between one manifesting BID and the true gender dysphoric. I am not going to waste time parsing the two obviously separate phenomena.
"To the extreme that Doctors are quick to offer puberty suppressor and hormonal drugs to a minor or worse a child without letting the psychological aspects of maturity and exploration work its magic."
First: no clinician in his or her right mind is, ". . . . quick to offer puberty suppressor and hormonal drugs to a minor . . . " and if you'd done some actual research you'd perfectly well know this.
Second: while there certainly can be some "magic" in coming to one's own, provided it actually is 'one's own', being hurled headlong into that which is clearly not one's own is almost always a private catastrophe, an unwanted and uncontrollable endocrinological thrust into a world that is substantially to wholly alien.
"Explain Gender Dysphoria and Gender Nonconformity. Subtract the linguistic placement, they both regulate to be identical."
Damn, these a priori conflations are tiresome.
No, they don't. GD is quite accurately described in the literature, as is GN and they are nowhere considered 'identical'.
"What I meant was that with the opening of the door to be able to identify with whatever you feel on the day, opens the can of worms for anybody to do so regardless of ingenuity or not. With that uninformed or informed is moot, agenda becomes key."
My God; you might look at political speech writing . . .
First: " . . . whatever you feel on the day" in no way describes the life situation of the gender dysphoric. The condition typically manifests in early childhood and, unaddressed, continues unabated lifelong; one's attitude du jour does not factor. Please stop running your mouth and read the literature . . .
That said, many precincts have enacted 'anti-discrimination' legislations which 'umbrella' LGBTQ people and many now mandate coverage for TG treatments as legitimate medical undertakings which, given 50 years of support in the literature and success in the real world, they certainly are.
But, examples such the recent nonsense here in Canada where it's now a potential 'hate crime' to use an 'incorrect' pronoun is so absurd it's hard to discuss without laughing aloud.
A misstep into Pronoun Purgatory is a 'hate crime' ? ? This gives new meaning to the word 'ridiculous'.
Quoting:
"So my point is that we have to deal with the issue on the basis of the way things (and people) are, not how we would like them to be or how we might claim are 'objectively'."
With that I agree completely.
Intelligent, curious and caring people will always be that way. Likewise, the redneck haters, bullies, wife beaters, pedos, 1%-ers and sundry assholes of the world will always be that way.
End of story . . .
Yes, maybe . . .
My thinking in the matter, decades of it, drives me to a couple of considerations:
- we're told the 'default' fetus is female but that in the XY case certain crucially timed 'hormonal washes' occur in utero, without which the XY fetus is improperly/inadequately masculinized and,
- speaking only of souled individuals, much study of such as Barbara Brennan's, 'Hands of Light' and 'Light Emerging' has pointed out the possible-to-very-likely existence of what one might call a 'ray of intentionality' that is intended to 'illuminate' a soul's experiential, incarnate journey.
In other words: a ray of and from one's 'Higher/Future Self' that acts as something of a 'pole star' through, case in point, the insanity of an STS existence.
Going back to the matter of the masculinizing of the XY fetus in utero: In the TG literature problems during the crucial phases of gestation are 'blamed' for a feminized outcome, a female-identifying boy.
While that's all very nice and might well be true it completely fails to address the male-identifying girl.
Although I'm sure I must have missed it to date, I've seen nothing that specifically discusses the male-identifying girl.
Maybe this is due to men doing the the bulk of the research, maybe no one has any plausible theory; I don't know and can't guess, which leads to my second point in respect of 'intentionality' in souled individuals:
I think it reasonable that when considering/projecting an incarnation into a species-sexed world one would realize that certain undertakings better suit one sex or the other and 'plan' accordingly.
Watching any of the recent programs on conception one can't miss being struck by the near-randomness of it all: was the father's sperm more male or female ? Did he wear boxers or jockeys in other words. Were the mother's eggs more or less receptive to a given sperm ? Stunning complexity and stunning sensitivity.
Now stretching my point almost to breaking: what happens if time marauding 4D STS see a particularly troublesome incarnation that might be less so if the individual's birth sex was 'tweaked', shall we say. Reading The Cs Transcripts since they first came on line it seems as thought 4D STS might well be able to mess with such things at will.
Now leaving that high speculation: what happens if things just don't work out as desired and a male-body intentioned incarnation winds up in a female body, what then ? ? Might we see an adamantly male-identifying girl, or, in the vice versa case, a female-identifying boy ? ?
I can't believe this hateful drivel is featured on sott.net. Doesn't sound like the stance Laura and Ark hold on the subject at all, unless I've ignored that in the 100s of hours I've spent reading their material.
A cursory google search reveals how complex human and animal gender are. And anyone who thinks that transgender people are lying about what their body tells them they are has never had a dialogue outside an echo chamber.
When you purposefully call someone by the wrong pronoun when you know that they are living as the opposite gender, you are being hateful. For example, in the series Sense8, Naomi identifies as a woman and has for most of her life, yet her mother refuses to address her as anything but Michael and refers to her as a he. It's hateful and hurtful when it's done on purpose. You don't even have to apply it to a transgendered person to understand it. Telling a little boy with long hair that he looks like a little girl and referring to him as a she is the same thing. You're using a pronoun that is incorrect to identify someone. At minimum, you are disrespecting someone because they do not conform to your idea of normal or right. That is why it is a hate crime. If you can't understand that explanation, I can't help you.
During years of 'therapy' (which was neither necessary nor therapeutic) I never asked any of the requisite gatekeeping (s)caregivers (or anyone else) to use pronouns that were in contradiction with my appearance. This seemed to me only commonsensical for the simple reason that to ask otherwise, much less demand it, was to likely induce an awkward-to-difficult contradiction within the other person, a cog' dis' in modern day psycho-babble, that might well be difficult for them; and, picking up their discomfort, awkward for me . . .
This was a simple, "Do unto others . . . " that was obvious to me.
That said, I have a very good friend, a computer engineer, who at about 12 somehow contracted a flesh-eating peritonitis that put him in hospital for months where they quite literally disembowelled him on the operating table to wash out and disinfect his abdominal cavity. This happened three times, he is lucky to have survived.
During all this he experienced near death at least once with the result that post-recovery he found, at 13, that he could 'read' others internal states with what he eventually discovered was a high accuracy.
As near-death researcher P. M. H. Atwater [Link] points out, ND experiencers commonly-to-always have a very difficult time re-integrating into this woefully limited world, it being typically a 7 years long process with distinct stages.
And they actually don't 're-integrate' for the simple reason that in the quasi-discarnate state of their ND experience they 'reconnected' with some of the very wide-ranging perceptual and other capabilities left at the 'check-in turnstile' of this 3D STS existence. So they can't just 're-integrate' because they fundamentally changed during their NDE.
Almost no one understands this.
So, one evening I'd picked him up from his home to go to mine to make supper, have a hang, watch TEDs, drink wine, listen to music . . . live life.
Pulling into traffic he greatly surprised me, saying, "How would you like me to relate to you ? ?"
Actually taking my eyes off the road I turned and said, "Pardon me . . . I'm not getting it"
"Well, sometimes you strongly 'vibe' girl and sometimes you 'vibe' boy and it moves around. I never know where you're going to 'be' on any given day."
"Well that's interesting, I don't know, just go with what you're 'getting' I guess, I'll roll with it."
And henceforth that's what we did.
And he was subtle about it, I never quite knew just where he was, except on those occasions when I'd get to be on about something and he'd switch pronouns or, on rare occasions, names outright, and rag on me because more often than not I'd have been 'dissing' one or another of the zillion dumb stereotypes we endure/live.
LOL, very good :-)
My bigger problem with the transgender push is that they are sterilizing every child who takes puberty blockers. So regardless of their gender or future plans, they will not be having children of their own. It's an anti-gay agenda. Easier to love your gay grandson if they look like a woman when they're kissing a man, isn't it?
H aving said that, I'm concerned (somewhat) that people are side-stepping a major set of life lessons when they opt to express themselves as the opposite gender from what they were born to be. The gender one has at birth is not a mistake. There are many options for how to express one's particular and unique blend of male and female energies, and I do tend to think it is a sign of mental illness when people run away from their birth gender in order to try to manifest some stereotyped image of the opposite one. True self-expression is never found in stereotypes.
This is an intellectual exercise that misses the point:
"Meaning is not derivative of anything other than an individual's sense of cause and purpose. It can't be derivative of anything concrete, let alone whether an individual has a penis or a vagina."
And this is a mess
"Having said that, I'm concerned (somewhat) that people are side-stepping a major set of life lessons when they opt to express themselves as the opposite gender from what they were born to be."
First, as I explained above, there is no universality in respect of, say, a female gender identity mapping to an XX expressed physical manifestation, nor vice versa. Now, it is by far the case that such congruence does occur without so much as a sideways glance but it is not, never has been and, likely, never will be that such congruence occurs without exception. Nature creates variance . . .
"The gender one has at birth is not a mistake."
There are many options for how to express one's particular and unique blend of male and female energies, and I do tend to think it is a sign of mental illness when people run away from their birth gender in order to try to manifest some stereotyped image of the opposite one. True self-expression is never found in stereotypes."
You belabour the obvious
Starting again:
"The gender one has at birth is not a mistake."
Again, which do you mean: 'sex' or 'gender' and why, and how do you know; you seem to be positing mere assumption as bedrock fact ? ?
"There are many options for how to express one's particular and unique blend of male and female energies, and I do tend to think it is a sign of mental illness when people run away from their birth gender in order to try to manifest some stereotyped image of the opposite one.
This is also a mess.
Assuming you don't know: the transgendered only rarely transition to an extreme of the gender expression continuum. More typically they find a 'comfort zone' where they are more able to predominantly express themselves as 'male' or 'female, without the burden of societal censure. This is the 'best compromise' zone that any successful trans-man or -woman will tell you about.
As to your speculated 'mental illness': You seem to assume that one just waltzes out one sunny afternoon and transitions, change the channel, boom, done.
Do you have so much as the remotest, the foggiest, the poorest illuminated notion, even one, of what's involved in that process ? ?
I don't think you do and given that: whence the opinion ? ?
"True self-expression is never found in stereotypes."
You belabour the obvious.
To date I haven't seen that.
To reiterate: we are talking here about the very rare cases where gender identity doesn't manifest congruent with 'residence' within an individual's XX- or XY-sexed physical body.
Two concepts: physical sex and gender identity.
Except in the rare case of inter-sex, the former is straightforwardly observed. The latter however is more nebulous, and only rarely discussed for the simple reason that in >>99.9% of individuals the 'correct' alignment of the two occurs in the expected manner. Male-sexed people get out of bed 'feeling' like males and female-sexed people get out of bed 'feeling' like females and all simply go about their lives with never so much as a thought as to whether they're a boy or a girl.
For the transgendered however this is not the case and life for those who either do not or cannot transition life is the living of a false personality, as the Cs so aptly put it.
Such a life comes only at stupendous psycho-spiritual cost, with the result that difficult co-morbidities frequently ensue with such as substance abuse, anger issues, underachievement, depression, self-loathing, self-harm and attempted and 'actualized' suicides numbering amoung the many possible manifestations, as study of the literature readily reveals.
As study of literature also readily reveals transition and 'apparent physical sex modification surgeries' are a highly successful 'best compromise' outcome.
In order to appreciate the success of 50 to 60 years of worldwide clinical work however, critics are required to abandon their uniformed beliefs and actually do the work of studying the ample and long-running literature.
Very, very few actually do so, preferring instead to dig paralogicially deeper into their 'positions' in respect of the matter: 'God is offended', How dare you, who do you think you are?', 'We're disowning you, you're an embarrassment and we're better than that , never come back', 'You're a pervert freak and I'm going to kill you', 'You are clearly insane and we are going to have you committed', and so on and on and endlessly on . . .
Here, just for instance, is a [Link] to a TG 2016/17 hate crime murder page providing details on the 35 TG people murdered in the US since the beginning of 2016.
That, as opposed to, just for instance, Native Americans' view of five 'genders', so to say, as discussed at this [Link] and revealing, for those who care to actually see, the fact we of modern, self-destroying, techno-nerd society are in the main a spiritually pot-bound bunch in need of a great deal of self-remediation . . .
This post is clear off the hinges, you do not have the first clue . Your rant evinces nothing more than a wholesale prejudice and is simply uninformed idiocy masquerading as some dubious intellect.
The sane people I know want nothing more than to simply live the lives that best suit them, where they are most productive and most contributory.
No one is out there grandstanding anywhere and aside from legitimately needing the law to provide not more than a few basics such as protection from discrimination by the usual suspects, no one I know is looking for any more than companionship and with luck a love life, the basic respect accorded those who've earned it, good health and a good livelihood. All that anyone wants to is to simply get on with living a decent life.
No one is expecting, nor do they want, a 'cheering section'; a monumentally ridiculous notion . . .
I guess it must just be me and my sheltered little life, but I've never seen anyone twist things around backwards, inside out and upside down the way you can, it has all been very instructive . . .
You my man reveal yourself a very, very angry individual and on that account I'll not comment on anything else you might have say here.
Reporting from 'Hater -ville' and now signing off . . .
(Wow, that was really something . . .
God Almighty, start the car and let's get out of here.)
The views put forward there are rational, particularly in respect of the early 'treatment' of young people who identify as gender dysphoric.
However, I would point out that humans are immensely complex and therefore infinitely variable, making any blanket statements about what might or might not be 'right' in a situation as complex as GD highly suspect, particularly in view of world renown past life therapist Roger Wolger's statement that, “We come into each life with unfinished business of the soul.”
Remember that 'gender variant' individuals have made themselves manifest in every culture and time in recorded history, making what is being sensationalized these days just that 'sensationalized'.
I do however fully agree with you on this point, "I privately strongly suspect that this phenomenon can be linked in many cases to the chemical onslaught in our environment."
Seguing from there, nowhere in the literature I've seen does the word 'soul' appear, nor the concept of 'other existences' nor 'soul's intentionality': these are not 'scientific'.
The well known philosopher Ludwig Wittgenstein had much to say about the limiting aspects of what he called 'scientism':
“At the core of all well-founded belief lies belief that is unfounded.” Ludwig Wittgenstein, "On Certainty"
a statement that opens a very large realm for inquiry and discussion. More on him is seen at this [Link]
In sum then I'm saying that while what I'll call the' "Male-minded Medical Model" does illuminate some aspects of the GD situation, more remains in the dark than in its light.
Scientism doesn't carry the day and we need to loose ourselves from its thrall . . .
In the meantime, I'm largely in agreement with you in respect of the quite young transitioning, under about 20 or so, but honestly, such consideration must be subject to mitigation in the case that transition really is the right thing, but how do we know ? ?
You mention a potential "for taking the easy way out" that while valid from a certain vantage overlooks the reality that of essential necessity many truly do live a 'false personality' which, I will tell you, is a yoke of limitation like few others . . . none that I can imagine in fact.
Imagine, if you can, being a young person and day by month by year literally 'inventing', then maintaining, how to be in the world; creating, whole cloth, a persona that looks, moves, acts and sounds like the 'real thing' when in fact it is a fabrication generated solely to be able to move around in the world as what one only appears to be.
A false personality . . .
And GD people are not the only one's who must do so. To greater or lesser extent we have all constructed such 'false fronts' to appease those in positions of power-over in our lives, parents in particular. To greater or lesser degree then we all suffer from what I'll call 'false front syndrome' or a form of PTSD.
The GD person must, in effect, create only the 'normal' unconsciously held false front but another consciously maintained false front quite entirely.
Then, with all that 'in place' the GD person might well set down the astoundingly difficult path to achieve an only, ever , best compromise life, the simple living of which can so inflame the assholes of the world that many are marginalized, belittled, sniggered about, derided and debased, with some being beaten to death for their troubles.
Such, in the main, is the truly primitive 'modern' Western world . . . Legions of 'either/or' 'thinkers' molesting a 'both/and' Reality.
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Dr. Wal Torres M.Sc, Ph. D. is a therapist in Brazil who has developed some testing methodology based on non-linear dynamics that she claims allow her to make highly accurate diagnoses. A trans person herself, and now in her late '60s she seems to have very valid things to say, but Portugese being her native language, with her English, let's say, often somewhat 'imaginative, I sometimes find her hard to follow.
"The GD person must, in effect, create [not] only the 'normal' unconsciously held false front but another consciously maintained false front quite entirely.
I live with this daily, not in terms of gender expression, but in terms of how/what I think and believe. If I were to be honest with anyone other than my husband and two of my children about how I perceive my relationship to the world, I would make them highly uncomfortable (call down some fear-based sanction onto my head that people use to make sure they stay safe). People emotionally identify with, and are extremely defensive about, ideas. If they could just stop identifying with ideas, maybe they'd feel more comfortable playing with them - getting them out into print/speech so they can be developed, modified, and made more conscious. I never cease to be amazed by the absolute predictability of emotional knee-jerk reactions to ideas. In the past, I've had to be two people - a public one and a private one. It took me a long time to figure out how to integrate the two somewhat. In my work, I use my spiritual insights to inform my responses to the people I work with. In that way, who I am inside can be integrated somewhat with what I do in society. Even though I can never be completely who I am, I feel I've accomplished something significant in the struggle to integrate. It's the most personally significant accomplishment I've made in this lifetime. I guess this is the deeper reason I am impatient with those who want to be rescued from their two-people dilemma. There is tremendous value, not just pain, in working with the circumstances you're given.
Defining:
- a neurotic is one, who of one legitimate necessity or other, and almost always through ages younger than about six, literally 'shuts down' entire perceptual panoramas in order exclude from conscious awareness some great, ongoing harm being perpetrated.
Such harm can be obvious like physical abuse or it can be perpetrated in seeming stealth, like never being actually listened to, continually criticized, never being 'good enough', being illegitimate and kept a 'secret' and hidden away in a closet when relatives visit.
The list is literally endless and the net outcome is always the same: a shutting down of fundamental, self-regulatory awarenesses to greater or lesser extent.
Concomitant with such 'shutting down' can be a loss 'organic sense' that can result in manifold morbidities such as not knowing when one has had enough: food, love, attention, being listened to, sex, money or power-over in the world; once again, the list is endless as it derives from the fathomless abuses meted out children.
The results however are qualitatively similar: unregulated and insatiable neurotically driven need 'fulfillment' which, of course, cannot, by definition, ever be achieved because fundamental feedback loops have been 'opened' by the many acts of 'shutting down' that a child will reflexively and unknowingly self-inflict in the name of literal survival.
As kids in difficult situations, we literally kill ourselves in order to survive
- a 'normal' is the product of love, nurture when and as needed, freedom without license, a properly nourished, non-toxic in utero and untroubled birth experiences. Rare in this world to the extreme.
Joe, we're talking about two profoundly different sorts of people: you are describing the all-too-common 'neurotic' while I am describing the all-too-rare 'normal'.
Climbing out a long way on my posited 'normal' limb I'm going to suggest that GDs have, most often, been forced to fundamentally reckon with themselves from an age and in ways that the general population can, and most often does, simply skate around.
As I mentioned earlier in this thread, almost everyone suffers from what I called 'false front syndrome', which, when manifest, affects everyone thru the same early period of life, before about six. Now that is not to say the process(es) of 'shutting down' end at that point, only that with brain maturation the earlier experiences drop out of conscious awareness to embed, whole cloth, in what is later called the 'unconscious' and thereby substantially out of reach of all but a very few forms of psychotherapy.
That then is the common case.
Now add to that the GDs' need to consciously formulate a second 'false front' and go on to permanently make that high psychic overhead 'personality' manifest in the world, also as a survival mechanism.
It's a 'high psychic overhead' undertaking because it purports to present the person as someone they do not feel themselves be but feel they must impersonate in order survive in many less developed parts of the world, sometimes even in their own families.
So for the GD we see the laying down of two qualitatively similar 'false fronts': one with its origins in childhood which, upon an only somewhat later fracturing of the persona, is unconsciously and endlessly 'acted out' in later life, and another front very consciously created and maintained in later life.
I hypothesize that the creation the second 'front' almost can't help but, to greater or lesser extent, trigger some sort of awareness of the first.
So Joe, when you say, "That a distinct group of people [GDs ? ?] might succumb to the temptation to be "special" seems to be pretty self-evident from even a cursory examination of human psychology." I will suggest that the word 'cursory' is the operative in your sentence and that given only such a limited examination you might well be correct.
I am suggesting a much, much more in-depth consideration, a 'meta-cursory' look, if you will.
Such lengthy consideration is what lead to my comment that, "No one is expecting, nor do they want, a 'cheering section'; a monumentally ridiculous notion . . . "
freaking morons!
Gender is a cultural construct. With the widespread dissolution of gender-defined roles has come the freedom to find person authenticity outside of culturally-defined constraints.
The defenders of transexualism wax endlessly about the difference between biological sex and gender, and brow-beat people who confuse them, but then turn around and claim that an attack on the body is the means for enabling authentic gender expression. If people get confused, it's for good reason.
"The defenders of transexualism wax endlessly about the difference between biological sex and gender [expression], and brow-beat people who confuse them,[I for one am not confused, YMMV with that statement :-) ] but then turn around and claim that an attack on the body [surgery is hardly 'an attack', it's a best compromise workaround but again, YMMV] is the means [it's 'a' means, not 'the' means] for enabling authentic gender expression."
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Maybe you should have a few actual discussions with some who've been thru the process and experienced, in the main, the tremendous relief it brings.
And no, it's not a be-all, end-all; it is as I've said several times in this thread a 'best compromise', that people are almost always the better for..
But even so such a life is never easy with, somewhat lamentably, the 'best' post-op solution being to move away and start again but even so, 'stealth living' is never a viable option as the cost is simply too great. And that means, inevitably, having the haters show up in one's face from time to time . . . One's simply deals with them . . .
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As a kid my existence was very, very different from yours, and although I kept it as completely hidden as possible, puberty was an unrelenting horror show.
So, different people, different experiences . . .
And with that I expect I'm done with this thread, tired of it actually, the rigidity is wearisome, and so quite unlikely to do it again. . .
And through the typical human incapacity to learn from history, (or even their own lives), I suspect the parents featured in this video will be shocked and dismayed when their kids grow up and rebel with a requisite kickback "I Hate My Parents" fury unseen since...
Shoot. I can't think of anything even remotely in the same league.
Sweden is in for some interesting graffiti in about twelve years...
Apparently we're transitioning for 3rd into 4th Density where such as one's physical 'location', 'place' in time, and physical sex, to pick a few examples mentioned by the Cs, are all fluid and effected by thought.
We've also been told many times that, 'Help is on the way' presumably from 4th Density.
Now if 4D 'help' is in fact making itself manifest, and if such help is accustomed to great fluidity of expression, and if higher densities don't have any great 'investment' in such as male/female sexing how much sense does it make to speculate that these young people are simply being who they actually are, and our quaint little 3D sexed-species notions be damned ? ?
4D, from some readings suggests a mode of living wherein switching sex is a normal process.
In 3D however, the postmodern attacks on the whole gender/sex paradigm present some serious energies which appear tightly aligned with the forces of anti-creation. -The death of the family, the wholesale reluctance to accept Objective Reality, and the neutering of human power which I suspect has something to do with preparing our race for complete domination by psychopathic 'cattle' owners, and ultimately, some kind of alien food mill. The "Rat Utopia" experiments offer some alarming parallels with the current human experience.
How do these two things fit?
Perhaps those yearning for fluid sexual expression are signaling to the universe their preparedness to jump a density level where their desires can be made manifest in a very real sense?
I'm not sure it matters given that almost nobody is likely to survive (in this life) any sort of density transition.
When I look at those who are working hard to accumulate knowledge and reject lies, (including biochemical lies such as the false "food" we are popularly provided with and the toxic additives which disturb human biological sexual expression), the tendency is to accept physical realities for what they are, including one's physical sex. Obtaining one's most refined level of power and grace doesn't seem likely while pouring gobs of energy into embracing anti-creative forces, rejecting truth and trying to CYOR against objective reason. Those who embrace lies are the least likely to survive any catastrophic changes, weakened as they are both physically and mentally. -Vegans, for instance, destroy their bodies and minds by clinging to systems suitable for 2D plant-eating animals which do not fit with the bodies they currently occupy. Is pretending to be 4D when we are simply not any better?
A Density jump, in my current estimation, is probably the result of passing a critical threshold of the body's Information Density. When there is too much for a double helix, for instance, to properly contain and express, it must expand accordingly.
Does wanting to change sexual 'assignment' represent a step up that ladder, a step sideways, or a step down? Is it the result of garbled static in the information flow? If toxins in food mess up human DNA and hormone expression and is in part responsible for today's strange social anxieties, then perhaps the answer to that question is evident.
Thanks for the thoughts, I'm not meaning to come to any sort of conclusions about this, only batting notions around.
If sexual expression can change in a 4D life line, then that sounds like it might be a challenge for many here. I know it scares the bejeezuz out of me and it's not something I have any desire to deal with.
I think it is quite possible that the Wave might indeed be causing some of the kerfuffle today. -And that it has been co-opted for dark social engineering purposes to the extent that we are seeing.
My personal solution: Focus on the work in front of me in the here and now and let 4D worry about 4D.
Genuine gender dysphoria is a complex and little understood business and it's a fact that almost no one who has actually transitioned did so to become somehow "special". While by far the majority do go on to live much happier lives an internal struggle, greater or lesser, with the stigma of being so very different is simply a part of such a life.
Oh, really? Why then are LGBTQ+ people holding universities and even governments hostage to demands for 'respectful' forms of acknowledgement and behavior?
No individual can demand automatic respect or acknowledgement (special status) in a free society, unless they hold a financial Sword of Damocles over someone else's head. Even then, the coerced respect is often resented and superficial, and is withdrawn as soon as it's safe to do so.
Why is this coercion happening, if not to obtain special status?
My pain does not qualify me to coerce anything from you. Why should yours coerce something from me? If I am moved to offer empathy, assistance, or acknowledgement, it must be my gift - freely given. Even the recipient's gratitude cannot be coerced. Parades, flamboyant behavior, patronizing lectures, militant demands, and legal arm-twisting will get a different response.
Yes, certainly, there are those demanding respect but, as you so rightly point out, such undertakings have defeated themselves before walking out the door.
However, not all are demanding things, most simply go as quietly and reasonably about their lives as possible. And of course are never heard from.
I am wondering when these billions of people will get the support they need to help heal and restore at least some of their real personalities, dignity and their rightful path in life.
I don't need a lecture about how much more important being able to live in the 'correct gender' is.
Quite clearly, it isn't.
If you don't understand that you haven't lived long enough and/or you're far too wrapped up in yourself and your self-importance.
It would be infinitely better for every single one of us if we were using our energy to really and truly improve lives for everyone . Rather than allowing all this self-seeking gratification in a minuscule sector of the population to continue, coupled with all the raucous demands and argumentation, that is destroying our society and culture.