MindMatters: ChatGPT and the Heralds of AI's Subjugation of Humanity - with Joe Allen

Elan Martin, Harrison Koehli, Adam Daniels, L.P. Koch
Sott.net
Sat, 18 Mar 2023 00:00 UTC

In just a short time, programs like ChatGPT and other chat bots have burst on the societal scene to the delight, fascination and enthrallment of millions. Individuals can now interact with a language program that is seemingly conversant on numerous subjects and provides "answers" via virtual brains. But this new powerful technology begs many more questions: What are these programs really, and how do they fit in with the development of AI? Where does anthropomorphic projection fit in as people become increasingly involved with them? Are these bots a first major step towards a transhuman reality? And can these technologies actually be forming the basis or entryway to a new type of technoreligion?

This week on Mindmatters we get to discuss these issues with Joe Allen, author of the Substack blog Singularity Weekly. After extensive research into this and related subject matter, Joe's nuanced analysis tells us that yes, we need to be paying serious attention to where all this has brought us, and where things are very likely going. Given how powerful and even seductive the use of these technologies are, he also suggests what may be the healthiest attitude or approach to interacting with them going forward. As if the world hasn't devolved into enough insanity there is, in fact, a new pathologizing influence to contend with. And we, 'legacy humans', ignore its profound influences at our own peril.

Running Time: 01:34:18

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Harrison Koehli

Harrison Koehli co-hosts SOTT Radio Network's MindMatters, and is an editor for Red Pill Press. He has been interviewed on several North American radio shows about his writings on the study of ponerology. In addition to music and books, Harrison enjoys tobacco and bacon (often at the same time) and dislikes cell phones, vegetables, and fascists (commies too).

Elan Martin

Born and raised in New York City, Elan has been an editor for SOTT.net since 2014 and is a co-host for MindMatters. He enjoys seeing and sharing what's true about our profoundly and rapidly changing world.

Adam Daniels

Adam joined the editorial team in 2014 and is a co-host of MindMatters. His particular interests include philosophy, history, exercise science, and technology. He particularly dislikes Critical Race Theory and people who're so afraid of death that they prevent others from living. He also knows kung fu.

Reader Comments

danny esq · 2023-03-18T20:23:36Z

Im keeping well out of the way of any of these debates, so I will pass on this one also.

Not worth my time energy or focus. Even if a respectful discussion, not going to change my mind whatso ever.

Buffalo_Ken · 2023-03-19T00:30:58Z

danny esq - thanks danny - did you see what Joan called me - she said I was a "distraction"....man, forget this article. You must be correct. I can't abide oh so smart ones think they know it all.....I'll watch this elsewhere I reckon and I'm sure Joan will hope I'm off to pasture in some range somewhere with the rest of the cattle I reckon. Damn. Gracious.

danny esq · 2023-03-19T15:48:57Z

Buffalo_Ken This AI chat is all over the internet and I find it strange timing.

At a time people really need to focus on family, friends (real people) and preparing for that little thing called survival.....out rolls the "fakeness" again.

I don't really gain anything from this "we give you the talking point....now discuss" it's the timing for me. You can set your watch by it is becoming so predictable but the intent is now showing.

Who gives a shit about this really? Is this important?

Staying online is a waste of valuable time, maybe Im wrong to say it or Im a shill or CIA or whatever....but time for debating "their" new toy is pointless, my soul is hanging around somewhere it is not really needed nor wanted.

Joan has her opinions, she has attacked mine a few times, I couldn't care really, all this online stuff is becoming petty and creapy in equal measure.

Time to move on me thinks.

Buffalo_Ken ·

danny esq - thanks

· 2023-03-19T17:54:12Z

Joan · 2023-03-18T21:59:58Z

I am only part way into this interview. The work of Dean Radin, was briefly introduced. And from my perspective, it is an artificial creation. Presented as a step forward in the creation of human intellect.

We have seen demonstrations of AI challenges with chess masters, and the Asian game, apologies, the name escapes me at this time, it is a game of strategy, that some say originated millennial years ago, nd were taught to Emperors, using black and white game markers.

This interesting video from Dean Radin

Dean Radin - All Reality Consists of What Things?

[Link]
This made me think about, another thought, the physics of the mind, but I guess that is a minefield, I do not have the knowledge to continue.

This also made me think about the human mind and Psi phenomena, in humanity, the connection, a kind of social technology in the minds of humanity...Telepathy, Rupert Scheldrake has also touched upon this.

So my thought is, is this ChatGPT nothing more, than to create the AI, of a human experience, that has existed for millennia, upon millennia, through networking, on a human level.

They have data sourced all the social media platforms for decades, and now they have algorithms. That supposedly can predict human thoughts and behaviors. The events of the past 3 years should give one pause for thought.

All wrapped in a nicely package ribbon of AI created memes, for a brave new world.

Joan · 2023-03-18T22:19:30Z

Joan Remembered the ancient game of Go. This from the BBC

Go master quits because AI 'cannot be defeated'

[Link]

Buffalo_Ken · 2023-03-19T00:30:02Z

Joan - I think you have convinced me along with Danny to not listen to this.

see you later or maybe not

Buffalo_Ken · 2023-03-19T02:25:41Z

Joan - so if there is a game where the AI can beat the best "human", then I suspect the game is not nuanced and probably lacks chance, and AI eats it up when there is no nuance nor any chance, but seriously - AI stands no chance against a human mind determined.

So could be what you think is frivolous, the AI considers information, and it could be you don't get to judge whether I'm a distraction or not, but if I am to you, then my advice is to just ignore my posts Joan - ain't nothing complicated about that just like there are 50 ways to leave your lover.

~

With that said, the effort to learn any game sharpens the mind and a mind sharp is a tool precise. Sometimes a precise tool is what we need nowadays is what I think. Precise and well engineered - sort of like the rotary phones of yesteryear. So now, respect due, I'll listen to this presentation and stop worrying about comments and such.....I'll listen and then share any thoughts if I have anything of value to share or at least think I do assuming you don't think I'm a distraction Joan , but if you do just talking to you, then please ignore my ass. I don't think I am, but if you think I am, then that is your opinion and you got a right to that I reckon....still one wonders why you would think that....but no matter - right Joan - no matter. Right?

~

tekdude ·

THX1138

· 2023-03-18T22:45:29Z

Joan · 2023-03-18T23:11:14Z

tekdude For those that may be confused by the above post, this is a reference to a dystopian movie, movie called THX1138

This from Wikki, I suspect the narrative could have been adapted.

[Link]
In the dystopian future, sexual intercourse and reproduction are prohibited, whereas use of mind-altering drugs is mandatory to enforce compliance among the citizens and to ensure their ability to conduct dangerous and demanding tasks. Emotions and the concept of family are taboo. Workers are clad in identical white uniforms and have shaven heads to emphasize uniformity, likewise with police androids who wear black and monks who are robed. Instead of names, people have designations with three arbitrary letters (referred to as the "prefix") and four digits, shown on an identity badge worn at all times.

The usual BS ideology, in a dystopian future, All black and white.

Buffalo_Ken · 2023-03-18T23:40:25Z

Joan - "Go" is a good game. I like the game "Pente" - 5 in a row and capturing 2 if you get on both ends of them.

AI - might play these sort of games well, but I challenge AI to beat me in a contest of splitting wood.

So, AI, can do the math, but AI ain't got the whole package and the whole package is where the value resides....not the AI.

AI - by definition is artificial - it is imaginary...in the minds of maybe just a few smart cookies, but can they split wood?

I doubt it.

Joan · 2023-03-18T23:55:51Z

Buffalo_Ken Such a basic understanding of the game,

My understand, it is a concept, not written in stone, as a reality, it was a game, a method of teaching using the mind

Buffalo_Ken · 2023-03-18T23:59:23Z

Joan - I don't know about that, and I haven't even learned how to play "Go". I did play Pente in the day and I think I held my own. The computer can do OK on games fixed on a board, but try to get the AI to play card games - Oh Hell, I will beat the shit out of the AI 8 days a week......So, AI is just a bunch of fluff and hot air you want my opinion.

With Respect,

Ken

Joan · 2023-03-19T00:14:25Z

Buffalo_Ken you are a distraction. from the real discussion, go back to the the range.

Buffalo_Ken · 2023-03-19T00:17:10Z

Joan - Damn Joan. OK, as you request. What you ask for is what you will get.

While I go where you ask me to go, I'll be thinking to myself - that Joan she ? sure seems full of attitude....and she wanted to send me off to the range....and then I'll think, well, she will get what she wants I reckon.

I'll think further, like I was trying to talk with her, but maybe I pushed a nerve?

I don't get it, but whatever - she will get what she deserves.

Then I'll be like - she says the "real" discussion as if she is the arbiter of it all - oh yeah....that explains it I'll think and then I'll forget her.

~

thanks Joan for nothing

Buffalo_Ken · 2023-03-19T00:23:41Z

Joan - now you must know Joan to call somebody else a "distraction" implies that you consider yourself the judge to make a call such as this. When did you decide you were the judge?

~

So how about you go back to the range. I may be a distraction and I may not be, but I don't presume to call anybody out as such, and I am a snake and I'll wrap around you tight. Metaphorically of course Joan or maybe just a distraction in your mind.

~

I think you are incorrect. I think I have something to contribute. If you don't think so that is your choice, but don't call me a distraction please.

Joan · 2023-03-19T00:31:17Z

Hm,interesting, seem to me you are a chameleon, your posts, are a related, to conversational subjects of the day

Buffalo_Ken · 2023-03-19T00:33:06Z

Joan - seems to me you are like something I won't say.

See you later.

Buffalo_Ken · 2023-03-19T00:33:30Z

Joan - but have a hug cause I think you need one.

Joan · 2023-03-19T00:43:04Z

Buffalo_Ken My immediate response, is to tell you to Piss Off in your false verbal emotional response, your are playing in the field of lies. and field of

truth and reality.

“Whom the gods would destroy, they first make mad”

Joan · 2023-03-19T01:18:32Z

Buffalo_Ken LOL, At my age, I have seen and experienced many snakes. Enough with ll this, what could be called a frivolous mind game.

tekdude · 2023-03-20T21:12:45Z

Joan And the baldies are making more nuclear robots cops...

Dwoods44 · 2023-03-19T03:25:47Z

I am about half way myself. I am familiar with Dean Radin's work demonstrating that consciousness can affect a random number generator. My interest is how people are manipulated, and in this case it is anthropomorphism. How were the chatgpt taught?

Years ago when I began researching Neuro Linguistic programming as a way we are manipulated, I discovered that NLP in Google would not return that information, but instead returned Natural Language Processing, which is how computers learn to process human speech. Here is a simple youtube video about it. [Link]

Joan · 2023-03-19T04:21:50Z

Dwoods44 Over the years, I have this page bookmarked,

10 Ways to Protect Yourself From NLP Mind Control

[Link]
It has changed so much from the NLP. Over the years, a plethora of pages have emerged, all with new information, IMO, it is because the methods, have become more sophisticated, devious, and possibly, in a court of law, could be considered criminal

All traces, using digital technology, have been used, to destroy, any true information.

BTW, the initial bookmark, was a discussion, concerning Kevin Barrett, 911, and the interview with a MSM network The use of NLP, dialogue and hand gestures, to discredit, and derail the interview. and information regarding psycho, social verbal cues, to alert the individual,that some form of manipulation, could be in play.

The link/page posted above, is a shell of the information provided. And could be considered disinformation, in another reality.

Dwoods44 · 2023-03-19T14:25:18Z

Joan Yes, I have read that link before. As it notes, neuro linguistic programming came from the psychological work of Milton Erickson and talk therapy. In the discussion with Joe Allen, he mentioned that the AI was learning emotional responses from talk therapy.

At the time I was researching NLP and google responded with Natural Language Processing, my first thought was that google had overlaid neuro linguistic programming as a way of obscuring it. With this discussion on Mindmatters, I question if Natural Language Processing is teaching AI to mimic human conversation and use neuro linguistic programming techniques to manipulate.

nedlud · 2023-03-19T07:12:04Z

MANAGING THE HERD

My view of 'distractions' is that they should only be done by those 'specialists' who are really good at it.

This is so everyone is distracted by the same thing at the same time and all go the same way.

This is how the major global issues that plague humanity are resolved.

The planet is saved.

(sarcasm)

ned,

out

Buffalo_Ken ·

nedlud

· 2023-03-19T21:56:03Z

parzival · 2023-03-19T10:54:54Z

This 👉 [Link] Everything else is moot...

parzival · 2023-03-19T12:19:29Z

'ChatGPT knows U.S. War Criminals'

Henry Kissinger, Bill Clinton, Dick Cheney, George W. Bush, Barrack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden. No arrest warrants have been issued by the ICC in The Hague, Netherlands for any of them. Why? by The Good Citizen [Link]
*

"As the Empire of Lies celebrates the International Criminal Court issuing an arrest warrant for Vladimir Putin, let’s revisit who the ICC really works for..."

danny esq · 2023-03-19T15:57:38Z

parzival Putin and Kissinger both share the same employer, just incase people are unaware.

I posted a link about it on this site, got totally ignored

danny esq · 2023-03-19T16:30:12Z

danny esq I connected the dots for everyone here to see current connections in finance and banking that proved the whole narrative (on all 200 layers) is following a directive as it linked Putin to Zelensky Putin to Israel Putin to Chabad Lubervich movement, even showed links between Putin and Kushner....guess what....got ignored.

A tweet by a queer with a massive forehead was the "big debate"

I then tried to post a template showing how online groups can effectively steer, remove or cause doubt at will using purely "psychological" techniques used during the Obama presidential campaign (and empower individuals)...... couldnt even get it to stay in the comment box (or ANY links to it)

the site chooses when I can reply directly below a poster, when I can include smileys....how many attempts I have to make loging in...

Something doesnt add up does it

parzival · 2023-03-21T00:25:19Z

danny esq well hell danny, throw the link in here. I'll read it eagerly. Thanks!

Dwoods44 · 2023-03-19T15:27:12Z

Joe is a product of the times we are in. He believes evolutionary theory, he believes that the various races are a product of migration, he believes the hunter/gatherers and the farmers story. At the same time, he has studied the “evolutionary” development of religions. He believes that Harari is brilliant and is warning all of us. At the same time, he senses there is more to life and that AI is dangerous. All of this is Joe’s narrative through which he will interpret reality.

Artificial intelligence is artificial. It can mimic, it can follow statistical methods of decision making based on criteria that is programmed, it has vast resources to tap and using google like algorithms can search it in seconds, and it can use language processing to write or speak an answer in any form suggested. The narrative is consciousness can be contained in electronic circuits. The narrative is expressed in many science fiction movies and television shows, like Agents of Shield, Battlestar Galactica, AI, Captain America, and Irobot. The Sophia AI robot in Saudi Arabia is a “citizen”. The narrative is saying transhumanist enhancement is better than human.

Who buys the narrative? I have noted before that the globalist agenda has been ongoing for more than 60 years, and it has used a generational “totalitarian tiptoe” process. The youngest generations who are addicted to video and computer games like Fortnite and Roblox, which includes enhancing your virtual abilities through addons, will be much more amenable to accepting transhumanism than those over 60 who used a slide rule to calculate signs and cosigns and actually studied calculus. Then there is the generation of Alexa and Siri the Amazon and Apple “helpers” who have been used to find information with simply your voice. Gee, I wonder if Alexa and Siri were gathering conversational information for chatgpt?

What has been the impact of technology? Human beings don’t develop basic skills like reading, mathematics, thinking, evaluating, making connections, questioning what is beyond this reality. The end result is human beings are becoming more stupid. If the electric grid went down, think about what you would do to survive. What skills do you have? Where do you live? What is possible? Where to get fuel, water, food, medicine?

What is the objective of the AI drive? It is to make people subservient to computer algorithms and control. This is done through “convenience” and “little effort” and “compliance” and “law”. How do you make people compliant? Eliminate culture, religion, family, history, art, music.

One of the important thoughts Joe mentioned is “scale”. How can you scale up AI for billions of people? Do you need less people for it to be doable, maybe genocide? Can a vaccine be used to introduce self-assembling graphene quantum dots to create the transhumanist interface?

danny esq · 2023-03-19T15:59:19Z

Dwoods44 I cannot take Joe seriously, avoids all the pressing matters and pushes his controlled narrative in the direction it is meant to go.

Just my humble opinion.

Dwoods44 · 2023-03-19T16:35:18Z

danny esq In my view, he is sincere and presents who he is.

danny esq · 2023-03-20T19:08:55Z

Dwoods44 " He believes that Harari is brilliant and is warning all of us"

By their fruits ye shall know them.

Like I said...

humanist agenda pusher, I'll pass.

Charley Horse · 2023-03-21T19:04:28Z

Dwoods44 I don’t listen to any Sott Focus articles as they are from those COINTELPRO agents Laura kept panicking about a long time ago. They took over this web site from Laura and Ark whom we never hear from apart from the odd rehashed articles to appear current. SOTT is not entirely safe and they’re watching us.

Dwoods44 · 2023-03-22T12:31:36Z

danny esq I agree by their fruits we will know them. In the case of AI, it is important we understand the narrative and don't fall for it.

The psychopaths may want to mimic the human brain and make themselves immortal, but it is a fantasy. However, their research into implants and frequencies for controlling human behavior has been ongoing for decades.

Dwoods44 · 2023-03-22T12:34:13Z

Charley Horse I was wondering what influence Laura has, so apparently none? I agree that SOTT is not a Truther site, however it gives me the opportunity to see what control and manipulation tactics are used.

Bezel Bub · 2023-03-19T21:16:07Z

As if the world hasn't devolved into enough insanity there is, in fact, a new pathologizing influence to contend with. And we, 'legacy humans', ignore its profound influences at our own peril.

Profound influences? Perhaps for the weak minded,easily swayed people with no critical thinking skills....which, yes, is probably most of the human race....in my best Spock voice..."Its just software, Jim". Garbage in, garbage out. The day I went to the ChatGPT website, it took me less than an hour to get bored with it. Haven't been back. If Chat and Alexa had a baby, it would probably sound like Billy Bob Thornton in 'Sling Blade'....or maybe Forest Gump

Shangri · 2023-03-20T00:39:50Z

I came in from outside of this digital apparatus ,that is, unless this here and now is a "computer generated reality" (P.K.D) - in which case, it means little, as have no interest in being drawn into another level of fakery because some spellbinding box of tricks has the answer to dull adornements of distraction.

Obviously, there are those who know nothing of life without it's influence, to them, i'd assume it's growth and impact are apt to be accepted as natural events in the evolvement of (digital) intelligence - the deeper the reliance, more readily it received, the easier their own transformation.

on saying that, i'm continually amazed to witness those who I'd consider to be more distant from it's influence, just today....on a bench, sat a middle aged couple, blessed with terrific vista, heads bent in worship to their glassy faced toys.

Dwoods44 · 2023-03-21T12:55:44Z

When interacting with machines, or even movies, we need to be aware of the anthropomorphism, that is it is made to look and feel like a human. In the Spirit movie, about a horse, the horse and the "love" of his life are give human attributes, like the mare has a mane that resembles a coiffured blond and the stallion defends the mare. This is the same for Alexa and Siri, the AI responders in Amazon and Apple that have feminine voices that kids love to talk to, and even bully. I am sure the sexbots that they are coming out with will also be very alluring. This is manipulation of consciousness.

The psychopaths, in my view, want to genocide the population, move the remainder into Smart 15 minute cities where complete surveillance and monitoring and control is maintained, and transhumanize and genetically modify the rest to be "model" citizens who obey and serve. To accomplish that they have tried to socially engineer the people into fearing the "virus", "chaos" and "death" so they could be herded into the smart cities for their "safety". They want to make the "smart" cities attractive, and this is done through "convenience", "effortless" life through remotes and voice activation (and soon brain implants), and providing any information you want (but with their Frame).

To accomplish the social engineering, they have used many strategies including fluoride, other food additives, drugs, behavioral modification, indoctrination through education, brain stimulation, neuro linguistic programming, etc. They have been actively mapping the brain and doing studies to manipulate mood and behavior for decades, for example the Human Connectome Project that is discussed in the mockingbird media Scientific American.[Link]