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Prince Andrew given deadline to face questions in Virginia Giuffre case

The Guardian
Tue, 26 Oct 2021 17:11 UTC

Prince Andrew must make himself available to answer questions under oath by 14 July next year in a civil lawsuit brought by a woman who has accused him of sexually abusing her when she was a teenager.

While not specified in the court papers, the Duke of York and his accuser, Virginia Giuffre, are both expected to answer questions under oath. Depositions must be completed on or before 14 July, said the district judge Lewis Kaplan, who serves in the southern district of New York.

The Queen's platinum jubilee celebrations will take place in June, potentially setting up a clash with the duke's legal issues over the summer.

Andrew vehemently denies allegations he sexually assaulted Giuffre when she was a teenager. She is seeking unspecified damages from the 61-year-old, whose lawyer has dismissed the accusations as "baseless".

In the scheduling order, signed by lawyers for both parties, the judge also ruled that a pretrial order, which sets out the course of the case, is due by 28 July. No additional parties are allowed to join the case after 15 December.

Giuffre claims she was trafficked by the convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein, the duke's former friend, to have sex with the royal when she was 17 and a minor under US law.

Andrew has not been charged with any crime. Earlier this month the Metropolitan police said they were taking no action over Giuffre's claims.

The case has proved ruinous for the duke's image. In a BBC Newsnight interview with Emily Maitlis in November 2019, Andrew denied claims he had slept with Giuffre on three separate occasions and said: "I can absolutely categorically tell you it never happened.

"I have no recollection of ever meeting this lady, none whatsoever."

The duke also said he had no memory of a well-known photograph of him with his arm around Giuffre's waist and has questioned whether it was his own hand in the image.

In the fallout from the interview, the royal was criticised for showing a lack of empathy towards Epstein's victims and a lack of remorse over his friendship with the disgraced financier.

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Christian83 · 2021-10-27T18:17:26Z

he case has proved ruinous for the duke's image. In a BBC Newsnight interview with Emily Maitlis in November 2019, Andrew denied claims he had slept with Giuffre on three separate occasions and said: "I can absolutely categorically tell you it never happened.

"I have no recollection of ever meeting this lady, none whatsoever."

The duke also said he had no memory of a well-known photograph of him with his arm around Giuffre's waist and has questioned whether it was his own hand in the image.

In the fallout from the interview, the royal was criticised for showing a lack of empathy towards Epstein's victims and a lack of remorse over his friendship with the disgraced financier.

The Guardian. What a joke. Noticed how they completely left out the infamous line “I can’t even sweat?”

earthwatcher · 2021-10-27T21:14:19Z

Protecting the pedophiles over and over again instead of protecting children will not end well for humanity. And no human society can survive that consciously does not take care of its children. Just saying.

Christian83 ·

earthwatcher

· 2021-10-27T21:38:03Z

Psstoffgoy · 2021-10-27T22:44:00Z

earthwatcher Totally agree, that's why I'm convinced we're not dealing with humans.

Rowan Cocoan · 2021-10-27T22:47:38Z

earthwatcher Though he doesn't get into the pedo details, AA [Link] is always saying that God is going to take biblical vengeance on us and I have a tough time disputing that some sort of thing should happen. What the west has become is just too broken, kinda like that Star Trek film (?) where Spock felt the death of the souls on a destroyed planet or such. That just seems a bit too much this situation on earth though. (I hope.)

R.C.

earthwatcher · 2021-10-28T01:23:13Z

Rowan Cocoan It's not just the West that is screwed up, that is raping the children, it is the pedos in every religious organization that are also involved, and that includes the Christians, Catholics, Muslims, Jews etc. This Polish director reveals some shocking things behind the pedo network, and it is not the only network that's involved in this crime. The documentary is quite long but in my opinion everyone should watch it; the devil is in the detail. It is not just the Hollywood gang that's involved. The human species is incredibly sick. And praying to God will not solve anything. Humans have had plenty of time and opportunities to take care of this problem, but they chose not to. Just think about this. The Covid jabs contain cells from aborted fetuses; this in my opinion is turning humans into cannibals. I laugh at Christians and Catholics who hold a strong belief that abortion is a sin, but allow themselves to be injected with cells from aborted fetuses. Unbelievable!

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Rowan Cocoan · 2021-10-28T01:47:54Z

earthwatcher Yup. Hard times. Not fair, but we gotta keep truckin.

RC

Christian83 · 2021-10-28T09:11:07Z

earthwatcher Oh boy I just watched that link… normally I’d thank you for a link. But even though I’m appreciative, I can’t be thankful I saw that. I hope you understand where I’m coming from. Absolutely necessary to watch though, so I implore everyone to watch this. I think that’s honestly the worst thing I’ve seen on YouTube. And yet they’re more worried about covid information. Truly sickening.

And I ain’t surprised in the slightest that the FBI did nothing. Probably to busy searching out loving parents at school board meetings to label as domestic terrorists, than to stop this sort of thing.

HashAttack2 · 2021-10-28T15:28:12Z

earthwatcher The "mother" seems to reflect a lot of today's social programming .. her views aren't that far removed from the warped logic used for mass abortions

Christian83 · 2021-10-28T15:43:02Z

HashAttack2 At least she had a shred of guilt to cause her to question suicide I guess. Or was it scared of getting caught? Something tells me it’s the latter

HashAttack2 · 2021-10-28T15:44:09Z

Christian83 I haven't finished watching it all yet ... will get back to it later

JTF Truth · 2021-10-28T15:50:01Z

earthwatcher I agree with some of what you are saying. Catholics, as far as I'm concerned have been hypocrites from the moment they become Catholic. Christians on the other hand are a different bunch, lots of different sects and divisions. Prayers to God, on the other hand, do work, I'm speaking from my own personal experience. However prayers to God on a big scale can and will only work if a big scale of the people are involved, praying for the same goal, in the same way. It's not about what you pray for, but how you pray and how you ask for it.

I consider myself Christian, but I don't believe in or follow what most are preaching. The churches for years have corrupted themselves and what they preach. So I diversify and learn from different Christian sources. I discern on my own, what makes sense and what does not. To be dismissive of any religion is the same as being dismissive of any topic.

What set me straight about Christianity, as I too use to not like the fanatics, was to understand some important basics and what they truly mean. For me these were, understanding what being born into sin meant, understanding what this time of Grace means and truly is about (Christianity), and specifically what parts of the bible apply to us gentiles and believers in Christ. Most important is Grace. Grace is not about works (ten commandments), Grace is what you receive for simply acknowledging and believing (always) that Christ died on the cross for all of our sins, that he was dead for 3 days, and was resurrected, before returning home 40 days later. That's it, in a nutshell. IT's good to be nice, it's good to do good things, but because we live in a world of sin, no one person can achieve what Christ and to another extent John the Baptist achieved, living under the law of works. So we live in this period of Grace, which is about to end, and all we have to do is believe in Christ. The concept is easy, but because we live in a world of sin, it's that much harder to believe and accept, that it is truly that easy.

In the movie Risen, about the resurrection. The most important line in the movie, as far as I'm concerned, comes towards the end. The Roman soldier has a brief conversation with Christ (after resurrection) and during the conversation Christ says to him in a way, the challenge for my disciples is not about what I have said or done, it will be to convince the masses that I even existed.

Anyways I just wanted to share that perspective and give you some more insight, if you didn't already know, because whether or not someone is Catholic or Christian, as long as they believe and have faith in Christ, because we live in this period of Grace, they can continue to live in sin. To clarify that point further, knowing and not knowing that something is sinful are 2 different things. So being Christian, you try to live by Christ's principles, but if you don't knowingly know that something is/was evil, Grace allows for this as you won't be judged by your works (that's for the devote Hebrews), you will be judged for not believing and having faith in Christ's forgiveness. Cause he knows, it's hard to live in a world of sin.

I too am guilty of being dismissive, it's hard not to be in this very (at the moment) dismissive world.

I liked your link, thank you for that info!

You might find these of interest as well...[Link] part 1 [Link] part 2 and this link, Out of Shadows which adds to the first 2 links..[Link] this is a link to the original 2007 movie [Link]
.Rowan Cocoan - The fist link, first 10 mins has some 9/11 footage. No wtc 7 though.

Rowan Cocoan · 2021-10-28T20:22:13Z

earthwatcher Whoa! I didn't see the video link but everyone's discussion caused me to check it out. I agree with C83. Wow! Evil!!!

I've gotta say, of course, that it looks like those rings are being run by illegal immigrants. More vibrant diversity!

That's evil! What's scary is those neck deep in it do not even see it. They probably think that when it's all done, they'll go to confession, say a couple of Hail Mary's and all will be well. Rather though, and as the quote at the beginning says:

It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones. Luke 17.2 KJV

Hard times. A hard rain's a gonna fall.'

[Verse 1]; Oh, where have you been, my blue-eyed son?; And where have you been, my darling young one?; I’ve stumbled on the side of twelve misty mountains; I’ve walked and I’ve crawled on six crooked highways; I’ve stepped in the middle of seven sad forests; I’ve been out in front of a dozen dead oceans; I’ve been ten thousand miles in the mouth of a graveyard[Chorus]; And it’s a hard, and it’s a hard, it’s a hard, it’s a hard; It’s a hard rain’s a-going to fall

[Verse 2]; Oh, what did you see, my blue-eyed son?; And what did you see, my darling young one?; I saw a newborn baby with wild wolves all around it; I saw a highway of diamonds with nobody on it; I saw a black branch with blood that kept dripping; I saw a room full of men with their hammers a-bleeding; I saw a white ladder all covered with water; I saw ten-thousand talkers whose tongues were all broken; I saw guns and sharp swords in the hands of young children

[Chorus]; And it’s a hard, it’s a hard, it’s a hard, and it’s a hard; It’s a hard rain’s a-going to fall;

[Verse 3]; And what did you hear, my blue-eyed son?; And what did you hear, my darling young one?; I heard the sound of a thunder that roared out a warning; I heard the roar of a wave that could drown the whole world; I heard one hundred drummers whose hands were a-blazing; I heard ten-thousand whispering and nobody listening; I heard one person starve, I heard many people laughing; I heard the song of a poet who died in the gutter; I heard the sound of a clown who cried in the alley

[Chorus]; And it’s a hard, it’s a hard, it’s a hard, it’s a hard; It’s a hard rain’s a-going to fall

[Verse 4]; Oh, what did you meet, my blue-eyed son?; And who did you meet, my darling young one?; I met a young child beside a dead pony; I met a white man who walked a black dog; I met a young woman, her body was burning; I met a young girl, she gave me a rainbow; I met one man who was wounded in love; I met another man who was wounded in hatred

[Chorus]; And it’s a hard, it’s a hard, it’s a hard, it’s a hard; It’s a hard rain’s a-going to fall;

[Verse 5]; And what will you do now, my blue-eyed son?; And what will you do now, my darling young one?; I’m a-going back out ’fore the rain starts a-falling; I’ll walk to the depths of the deepest dark forest; Where the people are many and their hands are all empty; Where the pellets of poison are flooding their waters; Where the home in the valley meets the damp dirty prison; And the executioner’s face is always well hidden; Where hunger is ugly, where the souls are forgotten; Where black is the color, where none is the number; And I’ll tell it, and speak it, and think it, and breathe it; And reflect from the mountain so all souls can see it; Then I’ll stand on the ocean until I start sinking; But I’ll know my song well before I start singing

[Chorus]; And it’s a hard, it’s a hard, it’s a hard, and it’s a hard; It’s a hard rain’s a-going to fall

My father loved that song. [Link]
RC

earthwatcher · 2021-10-29T01:26:02Z

Christian83 I completely understand, it was so incredibly hard to watch, but people truly need to come closer to the devil in order to understand how serious this criminal activity is. My God, these are helpless children that are being abused and murdered. This crime should have been stopped a long time ago, and it still continues to this day.

You should also get hold of 'trance: formation of America' by Cathy O'Brien. This was the sickest and most horrible book I ever read. I met Cathy and Mark in Calgary many years ago; she did a speech here at the University of Calgary. They were also promoting their second book here as well. You would not believe how an incredible soul she is even though she endured such horrible abuse as a child and a young woman. Unfortunately, Mark died a few years ago. The good people always die too soon, and the bastards seem to live forever.

earthwatcher · 2021-10-29T01:51:20Z

JTF Truth I have read a lot of books on 9/11. There is a lot of evidence that proves the hijackers did not bring down the two towers; many of them were still alive after the event. And once again people did nothing to bring the real orchestrators of these events to justice, just like the pedophiles are allowed to continue their crimes against children. And I won't even talk about this Covid hoax; there is no cure for human stupidity.

JTF truth, I don't believe in any religious teachings. I had the opportunity to die, and came back (I really didn't want to). I saw what is out there when we die, so no matter how much religions try to create fear or guilt in us it just doesn't work on me anymore. We are not born in sin; and that's a fact. Furthermore, God doesn't require of us to be obedient and to believe in IT (it's not a man or a woman) in order to get a one way ticket to heaven; it is not selfish or a narcissist. I have read the Old and New testaments. There are many many clues into who these Gods/God are/is. Those who wrote the Old testament made a mistake and used plural Gods, instead of just one almighty God. Even those who are good at fooling humans make mistakes. We can see that very clearly witnessing the Covid hoax.

I am just voicing my opinion; and believe me I do respect yours.

[Link]

JTF Truth · 2021-10-29T02:54:19Z

earthwatcher I also agree with you on the 9/11 evidence and the pedo's out there. They are all protected, from the top down.

I truly respect your view on religion. I am sorry to hear about your ordeal and at the same time appreciative, as you are here now and have learned some of what others can't see or understand. You bring and share a different perspective. That experience is truly unique to only a few. My mum also died, briefly, when she was a teenager (fell on a pitch fork in a hay pile). She too had an experience and continued to have experiences/visions. It weirded her out, they mostly scared her, most were personal and always came true, unfortunately most were about deaths to come or injuries. She once went to a psychic, to see if they could shed some light on her experiences. All they could tell her was that the man standing behind her left shoulder, won't let them see anything. Only one vision has yet to come true or to fruition, we came close in 2007, but that wasn't the one. Now, she no longer dreams, she willed them away, they were so terrible, but occasionally they do come back. Nothing nice is coming is all she says.

Thanks for the chat, I appreciate it! Your link was very synchronistic, for me. Since I was a teen, I started saying and continue to say, people aren't stupid, they just do stupid things. Glad to know, that someone looked into it a little bit further and saw what I see.

Rowan Cocoan · 2021-10-29T03:33:21Z

earthwatcher & JTF Truth I figure some Twain might fit well here.

“Man is the Reasoning Animal. Such is the Claim.” –By: Mark Twain.

I have been studying the traits and dispositions of the lower animals (so called), and contrasting them with the traits and dispositions of man. I find the result humiliating to me. For it obliges me to renounce my allegiance to the Darwinian theory of the Ascent of Man from the Lower Animals; since it now seems plain to me that the theory ought to be vacated in favor of a new and truer one, this new and truer one to be named the Descent of Man from the Higher Animals.

In proceeding toward this unpleasant conclusion I have not guessed or speculated or conjectured, but have used what is commonly called the scientific method. That is to say, I have subjected every postulate that presented itself to the crucial test of actual experiment, and have adopted it or rejected it according to the result. Thus I verified and established each step of my course in its turn before advancing to the next. These experiments were made in the London Zoological Gardens, and covered many months of painstaking and fatiguing work. Before particularizing any of the experiments, I wish to state one or two things, which seem to more properly belong in this place than further along. This, in the interest of clearness. The massed experiments established to my satisfaction certain generalizations, to wit:

That the human race is of one distinct species. It exhibits slight variations (in color, stature, mental caliber, and so on) due to climate, environment, and so forth; but it is a species by itself, and not to be confounded with any other. That the quadrupeds are a distinct family, also. This family exhibits variations (in color, size, food preferences, and so on; but it is a family by itself). That the other families (the birds, the fishes, the insects, the reptiles, etc.) are more or less distinct, also. They are in the procession. They are links in the chain, which stretches down from the higher animals to man at the bottom. Some of my experiments were quite curious. In the course of my reading I had come across a case where, many years ago, some hunters on our Great Plains organized a buffalo hunt for the entertainment of an English earl. They had charming sport. They killed seventy two of those great animals; and ate part of one of them and left the seventy one to rot. In order to determine the difference between an anaconda and an earl (if any) I caused seven young calves to be turned into the anaconda’s cage. The grateful reptile immediately crushed one of them and swallowed it, then lay back satisfied. It showed no further interest in the calves, and no disposition to harm them. I tried this experiment with other anacondas; always with the same result. The fact stood proven that the difference between an earl and an anaconda is that the earl is cruel and the anaconda isn’t; and that the earl wantonly destroys what he has no use for, but the anaconda doesn’t. This seemed to suggest that the anaconda was not descended from the earl. It also seemed to suggest that the earl was descended from the anaconda, and had lost a good deal in the transition.

I was aware that many men who have accumulated more millions of money than they can ever use have shown a rabid hunger for more, and have not scrupled to cheat the ignorant and the helpless out of their poor servings in order to partially appease that appetite. I furnished a hundred different kinds of wild and tame animals the opportunity to accumulate vast stores of food, but none of them would do it. The squirrels and bees and certain birds made accumulations, but stopped when they had gathered a winter s supply, and could not be persuaded to add to it either honestly or by chicane. In order to bolster up a tottering reputation the ant pretended to store up supplies, but I was not deceived. I know the ant. These experiments convinced me that there is this difference between man and the higher animals: he is avaricious and miserly; they are not.

In the course of my experiments I convinced myself that among the animals man is the only one that harbors insults and injuries, broods over them, waits till a chance offers, then takes revenge. The passion of revenge is unknown to the higher animals.

Roosters keep harems, but it is by consent of their concubines; therefore no wrong is done. Men keep harems but it is by brute force, privileged by atrocious laws, which the other sex was allowed no hand in making. In this matter man occupies a far lower place than the rooster.

Cats are loose in their morals, but not consciously so. Man, in his descent from the cat, has brought the cats looseness with him but has left the unconsciousness behind (the saving grace which excuses the cat). The cat is innocent, man is not. Indecency, vulgarity, obscenity (these are strictly confined to man); he invented them. Among the higher animals there is no trace of them. They hide nothing; they are not ashamed. Man, with his soiled mind, covers himself. He will not even enter a drawing room with his breast and back naked, so alive are he and his mates to indecent suggestion. Man is The Animal that Laughs. But so does the monkey, as Mr. Darwin pointed out; and so does the Australian bird that is called the laughing jackass. No! Man is the Animal that Blushes. He is the only one that does it or has occasion to.

At the head of this article we see how three monks were burnt to death a few days ago, and a prior put to death with atrocious cruelty. Do we inquire into the details? No; or we should find out that the prior was subjected to unprintable mutilations. Man (when he is a North American Indian) gouges out his prisoners eyes; when he is King John, with a nephew to render untroublesome, he uses a red hot iron; when he is a religious zealot dealing with heretics in the Middle Ages, he skins his captive alive and scatters salt on his back; in the first Richard’s time he shuts up a multitude of Jew families in a tower and sets fire to it; in Columbus’s time he captures a family of Spanish Jews and (but that is not printable; in our day in England a man is fined ten shillings for beating his mother nearly to death with a chair, and another man is fined forty shillings for having four pheasant eggs in his possession without being able to satisfactorily explain how he got them). Of all the animals, man is the only one that is cruel. He is the only one that inflicts pain for the pleasure of doing it. It is a trait that is not known to the higher animals. The cat plays with the frightened mouse; but she has this excuse, that she does not know that the mouse is suffering. The cat is moderate (inhumanly moderate: she only scares the mouse, she does not hurt it; she doesn’t dig out its eyes, or tear off its skin, or drive splinters under its nails) man fashion; when she is done playing with it she makes a sudden meal of it and puts it out of its trouble. Man is the Cruel Animal. He is alone in that distinction.

The higher animals engage in individual fights, but never in organized masses. Man is the only animal that deals in that atrocity of atrocities, War. He is the only one that gathers his brethren about him and goes forth in cold blood and with calm pulse to exterminate his kind. He is the only animal that for sordid wages will march out, as the Hessians did in our Revolution, and as the boyish Prince Napoleon did in the Zulu war, and help to slaughter strangers of his own species who have done him no harm and with whom he has no quarrel.

Man is the only animal that robs his helpless fellow of his country takes possession of it and drives him out of it or destroys him. Man has done this in all the ages. There is not an acre of ground on the globe that is in possession of its rightful owner, or that has not been taken away from owner after owner, cycle after cycle, by force and bloodshed.

Man is the only Slave. And he is the only animal who enslaves. He has always been a slave in one form or another, and has always held other slaves in bondage under him in one way or another. In our day he is always some mans slave for wages, and does that mans work; and this slave has other slaves under him for minor wages, and they do his work. The higher animals are the only ones who exclusively do their own work and provide their own living.

Man is the only Patriot. He sets himself apart in his own country, under his own flag, and sneers at the other nations, and keeps multitudinous uniformed assassins on hand at heavy expense to grab slices of other peoples countries, and keep them from grabbing slices of his. And in the intervals between campaigns, he washes the blood off his hands and works for the universal brotherhood of man, with his mouth.

Man is the Religious Animal. He is the only Religious Animal. He is the only animal that has the True Religion, several of them. He is the only animal that loves his neighbor as himself, and cuts his throat if his theology isn’t straight. He has made a graveyard of the globe in trying his honest best to smooth his brother’s path to happiness and heaven. He was at it in the time of the Caesars, he was at it in Mahomet’s time, he was at it in the time of the Inquisition, he was at it in France a couple of centuries, he was at it in England in Mary’s day, he has been at it ever since he first saw the light, he is at it today in Crete (as per the telegrams quoted above) he will be at it somewhere else tomorrow. The higher animals have no religion. And we are told that they are going to be left out, in the Hereafter. I wonder why? It seems questionable taste.

Man is the Reasoning Animal. Such is the claim. I think it is open to dispute. Indeed, my experiments have proven to me that he is the Unreasoning Animal. Note his history, as sketched above. It seems plain to me that whatever he is he is not a reasoning animal. His record is the fantastic record of a maniac. I consider that the strongest count against his intelligence is the fact that with that record back of him he blandly sets himself up as the head animal of the lot: whereas by his own standards he is the bottom one.

In truth, man is incurably foolish. Simple things which the other animals easily learn, he is incapable of learning. Among my experiments was this. In an hour I taught a cat and a dog to be friends. I put them in a cage. In another hour I taught them to be friends with a rabbit. In the course of two days I was able to add a fox, a goose, a squirrel and some doves. Finally a monkey. They lived together in peace; even affectionately.

Next, in another cage I confined an Irish Catholic from Tipperary, and as soon as he seemed tame I added a Scotch Presbyterian from Aberdeen. Next a Turk from Constantinople; a Greek Christian from Crete; an Armenian; a Methodist from the wilds of Arkansas; a Buddhist from China; a Brahman from Benares. Finally, a Salvation Army Colonel from Wapping. Then I stayed away two whole days. When I came back to note results, the cage of Higher Animals was all right, but in the other there was but a chaos of gory odds and ends of turbans and fezzes and plaids and bones and flesh not a specimen left alive. These Reasoning Animals had disagreed on a theological detail and carried the matter to a Higher Court.

One is obliged to concede that in true loftiness of character, Man cannot claim to approach even the meanest of the Higher Animals. It is plain that he is constitutionally incapable of approaching that altitude; that he is constitutionally afflicted with a Defect, which must make such approach forever impossible, for it is manifest that this defect is permanent in him, indestructible, ineradicable. I find this Defect to be the Moral Sense. He is the only animal that has it. It is the secret of his degradation. It is the quality, which enables him to do wrong. It has no other office. It is in capable of performing any other function. It could never hate been intended to perform any other. Without it, man could do no wrong. He would rise at once to the level of the Higher Animals.

Since the Moral Sense has but the one office, the one capacity (to enable man to do wrong) it is plainly without value to him. It is as valueless to him as is disease. In fact, it manifestly is a disease. Rabies is bad, but it is not so bad as this disease. Rabies enables a man to do a thing, which he could not do when in a healthy state: kill his neighbor with a poisonous bite. NC) one is the better man for having rabies: The Moral Sense enables a man to do wrong. It enables him to do wrong in a thousand ways. Rabies is an innocent disease, compared to the Moral Sense. No one, then, can be the better man for having the Moral Sense. What now, do we find the Primal Curse to have been? Plainly what it was in the beginning: the infliction upon man of the Moral Sense; the ability to distinguish good from evil; and with it, necessarily, the ability to do evil; for there can be no evil act without the presence of consciousness of it in the doer of it.

And so I find that we have descended and degenerated, from some far ancestor (some microscopic atom wandering at its pleasure between the mighty horizons of a drop of water perchance) insect by insect, animal by animal, reptile by reptile, down the long highway of smirch less innocence, till we have reached the bottom stage of development (namable as the Human Being). Below us, nothing.

HashAttack2 · 2021-10-29T12:32:05Z

Rowan Cocoan Dark Journalist X-98: Dr.Joseph Farrell Deep State Target USA: October Surprise! - [Link]
Here's another interesting conversation between DJ and Farrell ... Just 4 hours long this one!

It's from Oct 2020 so that first part is discussing the upcoming election - really interesting in hindsight as at that time they had no idea the election was going to be stolen

The reason why I am posting the link here is the discussion from 33 minutes onwards - discussing the upcoming "vaccine" and they talk about the "God gene" and various projects which suggests the PTB want to remove it from humans. It's a shocking possibility of the intent of the "vaccines" and again, additionally interesting as this discussion was before it was known that the "vaccines" have nothing to do with protecting against Covid

Well worth a listen

JTF Truth · 2021-10-29T15:29:56Z

Rowan Cocoan Nice mention! Very relevant!

earthwatcher · 2021-10-30T01:23:34Z

JTF Truth The thing is that I didn't dream my experience. My soul left the body and took off to explore what was out there. Seeing the body was incredible, but I didn't care about it, I just wanted to leave. I saw the light/tunnel and it didn't feel good to me, it felt fake, even the nice energy that was coming out from this thing felt unnatural. When you die and will see the light you will know what I mean. Question absolutely everything you will see, and take your time, don't rush to anything. I do understand why most souls enter this light, it's because it feels safe, beautiful, welcoming and on top of that the souls are in a state of shock when they realize that when we die our existence does not end. Unfortunately, I am not psychic like your mom. Your mom seems to have a gift. What she needs to realize is that there is nothing to fear whatsoever, and then maybe she will be able to interpret the dreams in a more positive way.

Another thing I wanted to add, people think that when they have a close call to almost dying, like being almost in a car accident, they think that an angel saved them or something. It's not an entity that saved the person, it is the soul looking after the body. Just look at the soul like your best buddy that you cannot see, but are aware it's there. When you are connected to your soul that means that you are here to learn something that is important to also to the soul. Like figuring out how this insane reality works, and then finally saying good bye to it forever. Just because a human dies doesn't mean that all of a sudden the soul becomes awake and it understands everything. Whatever the body learns is passed on to the soul. If the body learned pointless information, like how to constantly be connected to the smart phone (I am just giving an example) then that is passed on to the soul. If you understand how everything works in this Universe then when you die and when you see what's out there, nothing will be able to trick you. And believe me, those who created this fancy virtual reality Universe like to trick us so that we stay being here as its never ending slaves.

Rowan Cocoan · 2021-10-30T04:15:24Z

earthwatcher & Folks: Back in SoCal in the 80s, we had a buddy we lived with who was an even then 100% disabled Vietnam vet. He had had the same events. I don't recall the details but that he was under general anesthesia (a feeling I've known too well, but this never happened to me... yet. I guess it will eventually. I hope I'm ready for it) and then he was up in the corner of the O.R. looking down at the people operating on him and he heard what they were saying and repeated it back to them - which was when they were calling out that he was dead or such which, after the fact, he said that when told them he'd died, they poo pooed it, but when he recited what they'd said, they really flipped them out. I bet!

It's not an entity that saved the person, it is the soul looking after the body. Just look at the soul like your best buddy that you cannot see, but are aware it's there. When you are connected to your soul that means that you are here to learn something that is important to also to the soul. . . .

EW Have you ever read M. Scott Peck's The Road Less Traveled? In it, he speaks of grace, and it sounds a lot like what you're touching on.

RC

JTF Truth · 2021-10-30T04:49:06Z

earthwatcher I believe you, it's not a dream, which is what scientists and doctors want you to think. Godless people. It's a connection to all that is and there is so much to understand and take in. Up until my early 30's, maybe 5 or 6 times, I would randomly get these glimpses of it all. The only way to explain the experiences, which would happen at the oddest times, is that it was like a window or door opening to the universe, my visual of the room I was in at the time would fade out of sight, I'd feel this warmth, a sense of being and getting a brief (like a tease glimpse) of what it is all about without really seeing anything, just a vast amount of space and lights, then the door/window would close. It would last for maybe 5-10seconds and then it was gone. Except for this profound feeling I would have, that would linger with me for the rest of my waking hours that day. I spoke to my mum about it on several occassions, she never experienced anything like it, but recognized it as some kind of gift, however vague or short it was.

Speaking of gifts, I still do tell my mum, it's a gift she has. But she has superstitions, that I do not understand and because all of her dream visions were of bad things to come, she didn't like it. For example, every time she dreamed of her father, whoever her father was with in the dream, would die within the week of the dream. She would also have dreams of bad things happening to family and friends, tell them to be extra careful if they were doing anything she saw them doing in the dream. Within the week of her warning, those close calls would happen. If it was immediate family, she'd warn us all. Never being specific, just that she had a dream and please be careful.

Not everything was in dreams either, she would sometimes have visions of people in the room with her, who weren't even there. I asked her a couple of times about the future, if she saw events. She wouldn't talk about it, she'd tear up and her chin would tremble and just say, it's not good, it's really really bad. She spoke less of these things after I moved away, easier for her to avoid my questions. She never liked to share, unless she felt compelled to give a warning.

I too, in a sense have her gift. I have the odd dream from time to time, that comes true. I also have a lot of Deja vous (which I simply think of as I am were I need to be, in the continuum, synchronicity events) For example, I went through this strange experience, for about 4 years. It had to do with this girl I dated in HS, we went our separate ways, she had actually moved away for a bit. Yet every once and a while, she would pop into my head and within the hour, but mostly within 5 minutes, I would literally run into her. This happened so often, I would tell whoever I'm with, I'm going to bump into her shortly, they would look at me like I'm nuts and sure enough, she'd be there within 5 mins of me saying it. It weirded my best friend out. My wife also has the gift, she has told me of her dreams, that come true. Not always personal, but about people in the news. She'll tell me these things, it might take a year or more, and it will happen. We both had shared psychic experiences to, when we were dating and on our honeymoon. Ever experience, what I call a time warp? That's when the atmosphere around you has a weird feeling to it, you look at the clock the room you are in, then go to another room and the clock in that room is 20-30 minutes different. At the time you think nothing of it, but when you go back an hour later, both clocks have the same time. It's not a mind trick either. That atmosphere is truly different. Tim Powers, he's a sort of Scifi, fiction writer. He wrote a series of books, Earthquake Weather, Last Call and I can't remember the 3rd book in the series. It's about ghosts and weird happenings to the characters. He describes things in those books that actually happened to me and my wife. He's a good writer, good stories. When I saw Pirates of the Caribbean, the whole way through the movie, I kept thinking they were using his ideas. Sure enough, he was listed in the credits for storyline. Although his book was much more better and supernatural, than the movie. A good writer of interesting off beat stories.

"It's not an entity that saved the person, it is the soul looking after the body." I think you are onto something, with this line of thinking, although I do believe in certain circumstances, we do have a guardian angel who gives us a nudge. They say the mind is a powerful tool, but that's not truly giving any credit to the soul. The mind and the soul together are even more powerful, unfortunately in todays world, we are not all properly grounded. In fact we constantly distracted from this truth. when the mind and the soul, work as one a whole lot more can be accomplished and understood in and around our surroundings.

"And believe me, those who created this fancy virtual reality Universe like to trick us so that we stay being here as its never ending slaves." now this, sounds like something Edgar Cayce mentioned in his dream state, on a couple of occasions, only what he was saying was we are stuck here because our soul wanted this fleshy existence, this reality and because of that, our soul needs to grow and develop all over again, so that we can move to the next level and so on until we can return back to the fold.

I use to believe that, but now that I'm older and wiser, I don't. The problem being, Cayce, who was devotedly religious, was channeling spirits and spirits are deceptive. They tell half-truths, not full truths. So some of what he said in trance maybe true, but a lot of it isn't whole truths. I believe God, wanted us to have this experience first, before finally bringing us into the fold as it were. I believe each and everyone of us, is born of Devine spirit, where our souls are smarter than us in the flesh. Because in the flesh, even though we are connected to God, we are not as directly connected to God as when our souls were born. Think of it like your PC is connected to the net via hardwire versus the in flesh connection of Wifi. They are not the same, but are similar. So it's up to us, in these fleshy bodies, to sync up with what the soul understands, so that we can return back to the fold, whole and wiser from the whole experience. Those who take the fleshy route, will pay the price, those who take the spiritual, soulful route, will reunite with the creator.

Sorry for dumping, it's a good conversation!

earthwatcher · 2021-11-01T23:58:40Z

Rowan Cocoan No I have not read 'the road less travelled'. I am just speaking from my experience. I have heard a lot of people talking only about the light/tunnel and what they felt and saw, and I also felt the same, but I haven't come across anyone who experienced what I did, 'the vast gray area' devoid of any sense of feelings/sensations. Those who speak of the light as being full of euphoric love is a trap. If you can feel it then it is not real. When I saw the other side, and it was not a 'heaven', it is just the place from where we came from, the real love I sensed was like a state of being. Oh man, I don't know how to describe it. It was like this 'love thing' was part of that reality; it wasn't something that we can feel like we do here in this reality. When you get there you will know what I mean. English is my second language and even in my mother language it would be hard to describe what I am trying to explain. I was thinking that maybe those souls who experienced this vast gray area felt that it did not feel special so they decided to just speak about the tunnel that felt incredibly beautiful and welcoming. I just want to say "do not believe what you see at first, take your time and go explore more, don't be fearful because no one can hurt you, and question everything". There won't be a God to tell you what you should choose, you will have to do it on your own. And if you see God, Jesus, Buddha or whatever in the tunnel, I personally wouldn't trust it.

Rowan Cocoan · 2021-11-02T00:01:18Z

earthwatcher Interesting. Thanks. Did it change your behavior in this life? I've gotta guess it would change one's way of looking at it at least.

RC

earthwatcher · 2021-11-02T00:41:49Z

JTF Truth Your mom definitely has a gift, and it seems that she is using it in a positive way helping her loved ones to be extra careful when she sees danger around them. Do you have gypsy blood in you by any chance? They seem to be more intuitive.

A few times I experienced a time warp. I saw myself out of my body (I wasn't dead, this was different) and I could feel myself being half asleep but I would be looking at my body. When I came back to my body I would notice that I lost time somehow. What should have taken about 5 minutes being out of the body, it took about 2 hours in this reality.

Yes, I do agree that when the mind and soul work in sync then our selves can better understand this reality and beyond. The important thing is that people have to keep the body free of drugs, and i mean all drugs, even cannabis. The government cult did not make cannabis legal for no reason. I also believe that the soul is connected to the body through the heart. When I saw my body (this time I was not dead again) with my soul eyes I could feel the connection through the heart; I didn't see it, I just felt it. I also feel that the toxic vaccine will affect the connection between the soul and the body somehow even more; I think it was designed to trap the souls in this reality for a very long long time.

I have not read any books by Cayce, but I disagree with what you said that he wrote in his books. But, you do understand whom he was channeling and why he was not to be trusted. But for those who believe what he experienced I have to say that I don't believe that we have to 'grow and develop all over again so that we can move to the next level'. We do not need to grow or develop into anything so that we can move to the next level, because there is no such thing as developing into anything and there are no levels that we go through. It's all very simple. We just need to figure out this fancy virtual reality HELL, and finally go HOME. That's all. I am back here in this HELL because I trusted the tunnel when I died in my last life. I have no one else to blame only myself because I trusted what I saw at first instead of questioning what I experienced being out of the body (when I was dead). Believe me, everyone has a chance to go home, even the worst kind of a psychopath. We are not victims when we get stuck here again, we are just too lazy and trusting and so we once again take the easy way out of here through the light. I do feel thought that children are the real victims. Most souls are in a state of shock when they die. Also, there is no such thing as a Karma. Karma is a fake construct of this virtual reality bullshit. It was designed to trap souls for eons with guilt. Even if you were the worst serial killer in your past life what matters is who you are right now. And have you done your homework figuring out this reality?

And don't be sorry for writing down your thoughts here. We need to share our experiences no matter how strange they are. I would like to help as many souls to go home, we have a really good chance to do that right, but we must be vigilant even when we die.

earthwatcher · 2021-11-02T00:52:01Z

Rowan Cocoan Absolutely it did change they way I look at this life. Even though I sometimes hate the human psychos for what they are doing to humanity, and sometimes I wish for them to be dead, I change my feelings very quickly about that. The thing is that they all, even the worst psychopaths like Fauci, Gates, Trudeau (the whole endless number of psychopaths on the global stage), have souls. People believe that they have no souls. They have to have souls because if they didn't their bodies would die. I actually feel sorry for their souls because they chose bodies that will constantly keep them stuck in this reality. But, what I do believe is that they should be imprisoned and put to work until they expire at an old age. These psychos have no clue what it feels like to have a real job and I think this would teach them a few valuable lessons before they do die. Most of them just sit around a roundtable trying to think up a way to eradicate the human species, it's time for that to change.

JTF Truth · 2021-11-02T16:50:02Z

earthwatcher Thanks for the comments! No gypsy blood here. We do have the gift in the family, all to different degrees. Even my dad has it to some extent. We all do, just a matter of whether or not you are aware of it. I even have a cousin who can see auras. Being free of substances is harder to do, due to the fact that there is so much bad substances in our food chain. Drugs, LSD, Ayahuasca, alcohol and pot all put you in a different state of being and awareness, not all of which is good. Fortunately for me I've only done pot and alcohol. Unlike my friends, I've always had an awareness of my being, although too much puts you on the dark side and I only hit that 2 or 3 times in my 20's. The down side of Pot for me, is I never remember my dreams nor do I have relevant dreams, it takes it away. But you are correct, the over all effect on ones self being is not good. Pot also makes you take it easy, things are less upsetting, more chill. Alcohol on the other hand can make you aggressive and violent, each different kind gives you a different stoner effect. Had a cop friend who I'd smoke pot with, before it was legal. He liked dealing with people who were stoned, than dealing with drunks. More compliant. So it makes sense why they legalized it. The evil, that is out there, will do anything to corrupt god's creation, us. That truly is the trap. Anything and most things in our society is a trap. It truly isn't a struggle of the flesh, it is a struggle between the powers and the principalities of that which we can't see in this reality on a daily basis. From time to time we get glimpses of it, most don't recognized it, a few of us do.

Cayce, dealt with the spirit world. When I was younger and read his stuff, it made sense, made me believe in reincarnation, which I no longer believe. Spirits are spiteful, as they hate us humans. They mix truths, with half truths and lies. all to keep us confused and distracted. Just like what is happening in this reality. Anything they can do to make you die or want to die believing the false lie, is good for them. So now I believe, we've got one life as a human and an eternal soul to live with and understand to become one with the creator. Cayce, made me believe in Karma, but again, not any more. Synchronicity and Deja Vous is real though. I believe it has something to do with our reality of time, awareness of being and the real eternal time of the souls existence and being. Now time, is how I think of it, where the time we perceive, in this reality, is not real time. Now time is now, everything, past, present and future is now. That's God's reality and the realm he and the others we can see in this reality exist in. I believe the bible hints at this in Genesis. As God and the others were already in existence. Then "In the beginning...." was the start of this reality and our perception of what we think time is.

I too, want to help anyone who is unaware, not perceptive to the real reality. We have but one soul, anything good for the soul, is good, anything selfish for the soul is bad/evil. Free choice is what we were given, like a diode the choice is either on or off, good or bad. Following the "on" path, isn't as easy as it seems, lots of distraction and choices. We just need to be able to discern the "on" choices.

So we have to help as many as possible, so they can return to the fold. This just occurred to me, we all won't make it either, there will be a darkness for most. I'm thinking 33.33% of us will make it though. That's my big thought for the day, that just came to me. 33 is used a lot by those pushing evil, they like to take/invert/deceive/corrupt God's numbers. Christ died for us, at the age of 33 and we live in his period of grace, which is about to end. If the Bible is a time line, this is the last 33.33 percent of that time line, which we live in. I'll have to dig up some more info and pursue this thought further.

I hope you have a great day! God Speed!

Rowan Cocoan · 2021-11-02T17:37:49Z

JTF Truth Bill Hicks has one about how drunks are WAY more aggressive, etc. I think it's this one. Bill Hicks - Good Drugs, Coincidentally Taxed Drugs [Link]
Just found this one I've never seen called 'Drunk'. [Link]
RC

JTF Truth · 2021-11-03T03:00:43Z

Rowan Cocoan Thanks for the chuckles, so true!

earthwatcher · 2021-11-04T01:44:55Z

JTF Truth I am not surprised that your cop friend found it easier to deal with stoned criminals as they were more compliant, that is what the drug supposes to do. When I lived in Kelowna, I got illegal cannabis for my mom who was suffering from leukemia. She absolutely hated the drug. I am not sure if you heard of Rick Simpson. I read a lot about him and how he was able to help his friends who were suffering from cancer with this stuff. I contacted him in regards to how I could make the oil myself; he moved to Serbia, he couldn't stand this country anymore. I lived in an apartment so I wasn't able to do it myself so I found a few drug dealers who sold me the stuff in an oil form. There were also cannabis stores popping up all over Kelowna and West Kelowna. Basically, the drug dealers moved into clean offices and started to pretend that they were there to help people. It was an interesting experience for me over there. I don't have any issues with drug dealers as long as they sell me what I need. These fuckers lied and sold me garbage. In my opinion, pharmacists are legal drug dealers whose drugs kill more people. Mom had a few bad reactions to these products. She even developed hives from one of the products. When I moved to Calgary, I eventually found a place that sold decent stuff, and even had it tested for the percentage of THC and CBD in it. I had it tested myself to confirm if they were telling me the truth. Unfortunately, mom passed away. I tried helping her heal her body with natural treatments, and believe me there were many, and none helped.

I absolutely believe in reincarnation. I found out that there is one way that you can find out if you are experiencing an episode from your past life. If you can see your reflection in the mirror in your dream, and the experience is incredibly vivid where the colors are out of this world, and you are able to communicate with whoever you see around you, and you also see details in the environment you find yourself in, then that is more likely your past life. In various religions they teach that there is only one life that we experience and they also state that if we believe in God and Jesus, then we will make it to his kingdom. But, if we don't, then we won't make it, basically we will be left behind, whatever that means. As I stated before my experience showed me something totally different. We definitely have been born free, and we have always had a free choice. And those who try to create fear in humans are the ones who control those people.

Rowan Cocoan · 2021-11-04T04:27:50Z

earthwatcher I like this:

I absolutely believe in reincarnation. (I'm skipping the tales I have that support that thesis.)

On a sadder note, I hated reading what now has me type RIP Mom. Hang tough EW.

Since I was 13*, if not earlier, I've been bitching about the ongoing, but never discussed with integrity by the BFM, drug war* and how it could only be a war on US! I remember* when I was only 11 or so and the guy across the street who sold pot got busted at 3a.m. (He probably had around a pound of it. Nowadays that will get guys elected to the Chamber of Commerce.)

(We HEARD it! I watched it out of our bedroom window!) (Of course the idea of snitching was pure anathema - still is.) Anyway, that certainly firmed up my libertarian beliefs earty and surely played a role in SWIM first smoking pot at ~12-13, coke at 13-14, etc. (Somehow, I was never the big failure that the BFM said I always that that folks like me should have been. Hmm. . . )

RC

*In typing this I'm inclined to think that those two events/positions are not unrelelated.

rc

JTF Truth · 2021-11-04T17:04:20Z

earthwatcher The eternal soul, that I speak of is truly eternal, it does not die. I should have clarified the above better. I don't believe in reincarnation the way it is portrayed and we are made to think. The eternal soul has a choice to live in darkness or light. Our life here is but one chance, in this reality. There will be others, just not like we know it is today.

I like what you said earlier, you do not believe in karma, yet how I think about it, Karma and reincarnation, in a sense go together. Even the old saying, what goes around, comes around is in a sense Karma, yet this does not happen for everyone on a personal level, but it does on a historical level. My view of the Now, is everything all at once, past present and future. We, when we dream or have visions of the Now are seeing snippets of either the past, present or future, not necessarily our past, present or future, but through the eyes of someone else, who at that very moment is possibly having a similar experience. I hit upon this train of though, from a story in the bible. Michael, while dealing with an issue concerning a Sumerian or Persian prince, in the past, was delayed from attending to a situation of which the story of the passages I was reading. I wish I could explain it better. But that set me off on a whole new train of thought.

I just want to correct you on one thing. It's not enough to believe in God, to get to his kingdom. That belief will not get you there. It took me a while to understand this, because most of Christianity today, has clouded the issue. So much so, that I can now see it (cloudiness) for what it is. I keep hearing, publicly, what I use to believe or was lead to believe. God is belligerent, he is finicky and kills on whims, innocent people, or who we think of as innocent people. There is no one that is innocent who is born into this world of sin.

So, this is what I have learned and I just want to share this with you. I just want to correct you on the believing in god and Jesus as the ticket to heaven statement. Right now, our world is truly corrupted. Sinful. As in the days of Noah. Like the Scamdemic, it's not about the virus, it's about the agenda to get us to go down the slippery slope to take the mark, so to speak. In the Bible, the corruption that happened in the garden, was sinful. God's image (us) was corrupted, genetically. If you can understand that one thing, which is playing out today on a grander scale, corruption of the genetic pool. Then it makes sense, why the flood and after the flood, why kill those specific groups of people (groups of which had giants). Giants are a corruption of the gene pool. God doesn't like this. Hence the killing of those groups of people. Even today, everyone's genes have been corrupted in some form or another. That's the main sin, besides the thou shalt nots'. In a sense, the Hebrews who wanted Jesus crucified, was the last straw for God and his people (he knew it was going to happen, so did Lucifer). From Acts 8, up to Hebrews, is the only part of the Bible, that is truly for the Gentiles, everything else, is specific to the Hebrews. These parts speak specifically to us gentiles, it's where God through Jesus has granted us Grace. The Hebrews didn't believe, so we know live in a time of Grace, a time for Gentiles and even Hebrews are given a chance, not just to believe in God, but to believe in Jesus. Believe that he died on the cross for all mankind's sins, was dead and buried for 3 days and was resurrected. There are no works (laws) for us to do, just believe in this, because only through this belief in Jesus, can you get to God. This is basically what Grace is all about. Jesus is our savior, our salvation. Simply believe in him with your whole heart, his sacrifice

and this will lead you to God. Just believing in God, is not enough for God. I just wanted you to understand the context. In the begining, God gave Adam and Eve, 1 rule. Don't eat the fruit of that 1 tree. In the end, God is again giving 1 rule, believe in Jesus. Free choice, the choice is ours to make. Choosing Jesus over not choosing Jesus. By not choosing Jesus doesn't imply death for the soul, but it does imply a dark everlasting experience, with the ruling entities, spirits and principalities of this world. Kind of like Karma. Their souls' world will literally be turned upside down. Those living the good life today and those who aid and chase this so called good life, living off of us souls, will pay the price for the ugliness they've imposed upon us, those that believed and those that were righteous.

I do understand somewhat, (having not experienced it), and totally believe that you did experience something completely different. Not all NDE's or death experiences are the same. I have read lots of stories and seen quite a few vids on this subject matter. As far as I can tell, everyone that has these experiences, good, bad or in-between, truly had that experience. Only they know, for sure, what it was like, what they experienced. Words, I believe are hard to convey the experience. I am grateful, that you did return and that you are able to share it!

Yes, absolutely we are born free. We are all born with free will. We are all also all born into the slavery of the system. Kingship has prevented us from being born a free people. Our so called Freedom of today, is mostly perceived. Most do not recognize that a lot of the laws, imposed upon us so called free people, are actually a form of enslavement/limits on our real freedoms. A good example today is Pot. A plant that anyone can grow, but can't because of the laws, laws not for our perceived protection, but laws that protect, enrich and give favour to the rich and powerful (including companies). I saw this slavery as a child, as I was being indoctrinated into the system. The whole education system is full of contradictions. We read of Plato, Socrates, great thinkers and doers of our past, we have a brief discussion, but never dwell or stay with some of these great thoughts we just read about. Always about this is how it is today and needs to be, even though it's a contradiction and unhealthy practice, than what it truly should be. Corruption. I hated school, even though I did reasonably well in it, excelled at some of it, I hated it. Closest thing to anything practical, that was taught, was Home Ec and Shop. The rest, was biased indoctrination into the society they wanted to create, ignoring everything that was truly natural. the controllers know this, those from the sheep who rise up to be controllers know this. To keep us from knowing this, especially in todays world of information, is for them to cause, fear, panic and anything to divide us and our thoughts, from normal thinking. Indoctrination, subversion, brain washing and propaganda, with the odd man planned tragedy, so that they can keep us in discord and keep their control.

Good valid points about the pot industry too! The problem with it now, as I see it. It's money people running the big business, that doesn't understand the market like the dealers of old. The other shitty contrived thing. Making it legal, was an opportunity for a boon in small business, but right from the start, they fixed it, so that the so called, what I call the "unfree markets" could immediately dominate the sector. Instead of making a law, saying big business, you are out, small business it's your market, but if you get too big, you're out too. Fuck, they want an arm and a leg for seeds, why, to keep people from growing a plant, that anyone can grow. It's all BS, wrapped up in a thick coating of milk chocolate.

I'm truly sorry, for what your mom went through. May she RIP and I do hope nothing for the best for you and that you get through your grief, how ever long it takes. You were there for her, trying to ease her discomfort, being supportive and caring. I truly hope you also had some good moments together. Take Good Care!

earthwatcher · 2021-11-07T01:43:20Z

JTF Truth Oh yes, you are correct, Karma and reincarnation in a sense do go together, that is why we have incarnated to be here at this moment, it's because we believed in Karma in our past lives. I do not anymore, it's all bullshit to trap us in this reality. What really matters at this moment is what the soul/body knows to be truth; if one believes in Karma then that soul/body will feel that it will have to return in order to learn more lessons and in order to become more enlightened, whatever that means. It doesn't work on me anymore. My soul is tired and I no longer find humans interesting. Humans have always had this parasitic nature to them, and this has become extremely boring over time. Whatever humans are creating for themselves at this moment is truly none of my business. I am just informing humans that when they die they should not stop questioning what they will experience.

I don't believe in that God has an actual kingdom, I don't have one bone in me that believes what the Bible says about who the real God is. I have read the Old Testament and the New Testament as well so I know what these books are all about. You said 'There is no one that is innocent who is born into this world of sin'. I totally disagree with this statement. There is no sin, and especially children are not sinners born into a world of sin. I remember this woman I worked with who was a strong Christian. We got into a discussion about children who are/were molested and I told here that if humanity doesn't fix this problem then the future will not look too great for them. Something she told me has stayed with me and will probably stay with me even on my death bed; she said that children are not innocent as they are born sinners into this world. I was disgusted with her, and I am disgusted with everyone who thinks this way, and I told her that if a toddler gets raped then is that because that child was born a sinner and therefore deserved such a treatment? This way of thinking really pisses me off, and I really don't care about humans who think that way. Humans who think of children as being sinners are truly satanic critters, and I don't have time for bullshit like that. This woman had two children. But then just because someone has children doesn't mean that they should.

Though, what is so beautiful about this virtual reality is that everyone of us will get exactly what we deserve when we die, and we will do it all by ourselves. And no, there is no hell.

JTF Truth · 2021-11-07T18:27:32Z

earthwatcher You make good points, the point I'm making about sin, is the corruption of our gene pool. Hence any child born today, is born in sin and I respect that you don't believe that. Regardless, within 6 months most babies genes begin to be corrupted, pushed by our corrupted governments and big pharma. Since you believe in reincarnation, then regardless is a baby dies young, it'll be reincarnated and hence didn't have to suffer through a long life. So in that sense, nothing to be pissed off about. As far as out lives go, as I've learned, things that happen to people create 2 things, they create experiences to the individual the event happened to and experiences to the people around them and the event that happened. It's what we each take any from the events. Where it gets muddy, is when those who the event didn't happen, who saw it, impose their views onto those who the event actually happened to, who are not always victims. I'll leave it at that.

Not everyone is suppose to have, their own children. People need to realize that it's not right, it's more a gift. The world would be a little bit better, if a lot of people didn't have the kids they did (bad parents).

Anyhoo, nice chatting!

earthwatcher · 2021-11-09T02:31:33Z

JTF Truth True, there is a lot of corruption in the gene pool, and with this toxic jab it is going to damage it even more so through disconnecting the soul from the body even more. That is the point why they want every human to get the jab; it will be much easier to control them. They don't want to bother with the rebels.

And I hope you understand that I am not trying to force anything on you. I am just trying to inform people that when they die they are not going to be judged by anyone or anything, and that also includes God, and furthermore, we don't need to do a list of things now or later in order to go home when we die; every soul in our reality has the freedom to go home, we have always had that freedom. If anyone or anything tries to create fear or guilt in someone else, then it is time to just walk away instead of being subjected to 'soft-core tyranny'..

Nice chatting with you also.

Rowan Cocoan · 2021-10-27T22:13:16Z

Man, the UK has illegally and wrongfully eviscerated y'all's SOL's. I see that it goes back a long time. E.g., Gary Glitter, perv that he is granted as that's not the issue. Either one has a nation of laws, or a nation of men.

Fear not though, the USA is doing its damnedest to catch up. Jew York's already there and 'middle of the road' states are closer every day. We'll probably lose those remnants of constitutional government also before we ever do the secession we need to survive. Sad.

R.C.

Christian83 · 2021-10-27T23:02:20Z

Rowan Cocoan The list is endless. Mountbatten, Saville to name just a couple. The whole royal mob as well…

In the second week of May 2014, British soldier Vivian Cunningham was drugged and institutionalized against his will. Apparently, his “crime” on May 6 was daring to ask superiors about Queen Elizabeth’s outstanding arrest warrant.

The order to arrest Queen Elizabeth was issued in 2013 by six judges of the International Common Law Court of Justice in Brussels.

After nearly a year of litigation, Queen Elizabeth and her husband, Prince Phillip, were found guilty in the disappearance of ten native children from the Catholic-run Kamloops residential school in British Columbia. Grieving parents haven’t seen their children since they left for a picnic with the Royal couple on Oct. 10 1964.

Remember all the mass burial sites in Canada?

“Queen Elizabeth had direct involvement in the kidnapping and death of aboriginal children” it was reported on the ITCCS website. “Royal Family members also appeared to regularly participate in Ninth Circle Satanic Cult rituals at the Mohawk Indian School in Brantford, Ontario, Canada.”

The court’s Feb 2013 guilty verdict by six international judges on 40 global elites appeared to influence the resignation that same week, of Pope Joseph Ratizinger.

By Judy Byington, Child Abuse Recovery;

Judy Byington is the author of “Twenty-Two Faces: Inside the Extraordinary Life of Jenny Hill and Her Twenty-Two Multiple Personalities.” The book documents how the only known survivor-intended-victim of a modern-day human sacrifice ceremony six year-old Jenny Hill, overcomes multiplicity resulting from brainwashing, her perpetrators having subjected the child to insidious mind-control techniques culled from Nazi Germany.

From [Link] quite interesting reading considering all them kids graves being discovered etc. Aboriginal kids as well. Canada and Australia, both part of the commonwealth. Coincidence?

Rowan Cocoan · 2021-10-27T23:10:39Z

Christian83 Well, of course they'd grab the weakest members of society, children, from the groups with the least power. Sad.

RC

Christian83 · 2021-10-27T23:22:50Z

Rowan Cocoan Kids. The Original Purebloods. Or O’Ps

Hopefully, our saviours!

Rowan Cocoan ·

Christian83 RC

· 2021-10-27T23:25:40Z

JTF Truth · 2021-10-29T03:22:04Z

Christian83 I can remember growing up as a child, how concerned my mum was about child abduction. It was happening in her time, it was happening in her mother's time on an on back through history. Every once and a while, they'd catch someone and prosecute. But that one person, never accounted for all the rest that were still missing. The fear still exists today, I never see young children walking to school anymore, unless accompanied by a parent or older teen. So there is an awareness. Now if you sit back, and start to think about it, why it's still happening and why hardly anyone gets prosecuted or caught, because that list is shorter than the missing and abused. You start to get the sense that something is not right with our society, that those in charge no more than they want to say or will say.

When you add in the satanic aspect to your thought processes, you truly start to see a pattern and why and who is involved, on another level.

I learned a lot working for a large corporation, especially how they disseminate what they want you to know and not talk about the things you do want to know. It made me rethink the history that I learned, using this knowledge. I applied it to billionaires, they are the milk carton kids. We know who they are. But the wealthiest families, we don't know. They are there, you just can't see them, for a reason. They don't want you knowing they exist. They disappeared from the history books, at least, that's what they want you to know. The same applies to Satanism, Moloch, Baal and all those nasty/evil practices. The Catholic church's history, made you believe it went away, but it never did. Even today, they say it's a resurgence in paganism, but I disagree, it's always been there, under our noses or in plain sight. Again, it's about what they want you to believe. This whole pedo thing isn't new and isn't resurging (that's what they want you to think), it's in our faces more and more, on a daily basis. So much so, some laws have or are trying to be changed to downplay pedophilia. Evil is, what evil does.

It's just truly disgusting. But for it to be as covered up as much as it was, all these years, tells me that the people in high places have some accounting to do for their actions.

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