NewsReal: So, Are we at War With Russia or Not?

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Sun, 29 Jan 2023 23:35 UTC

The German foreign minister stated this week that "we are at war with Russia." The French foreign ministry immediately corrected her to say, "No, we are not at war with Russia!" Meanwhile Hungarian PM Viktor Orban told the American Conservative magazine, "Yes, we are at war with Russia," and the Russian government clarified that it considers the transfer of heavy weaponry from NATO countries to Ukraine to mean that NATO is now "a party to the conflict."

Well, are 'we' at war with Russia or not?

Also on this NewsReal, Joe and Niall discuss the recent flare-up of terrorism in Israel and western Europe, along with the bizarre triple 'Asian' mass shooting mayhem in southern California.

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VooDoo6 · 2023-01-29T21:48:02Z

Poland has taken in 9.49 million refugees from Ukraine: officials [Link]

scrutinizer · 2023-01-29T22:35:59Z

VooDoo6 are we at war with russia? Author needs to stare at the sun for 5 minutes - is that big yellow thing the sun?

My prediction: it will never be "declared" - full orwell this time and don your mask and blinkers.

VooDoo6 · 2023-02-02T21:54:05Z

VooDoo6 are we at war with russia? Author needs to stare at the sun for 5 minutes - is that big yellow thing the sun?

My prediction: it will never be "declared" - full orwell this time and don your mask and blinkers.

You’re spot on. It has ended up being a risible Schwanzzzzzzzz measuring contest between Anarcho-tyranny of US/NATO & Russia technology beneath the chthonic sub rosa veneer of deception. UkroNazi’s are rapidly running out of inventory of soul-diers, tanks, Howitzers, MBT’s/APC’s, Helos, Foreign Mercs including dumbed down American/UK/French/German et al MERCS, Poles, Islamic Canon Fodder, Chechens & other ethnicities. Zionazilensky plays Nero’s fiddle while Ukraine burns. Without Air superiority Ukraine never had a real viable chance. We are seeing & witnessing a new generation of warfare (namely drones & other laser/GPS loitering munitions with pinpoint accuracy dominate old technology & conventional methods. Ukraine went all in 100% while Russia shows moral & emotional maturity & constraint imo.

VooDoo6 · 2023-01-29T21:53:24Z

Poland has taken in 9.49 million refugees from Ukraine: officials [Link]
Ukraine: Zelensky calls for long-range missiles [Link]

sinip · 2023-02-07T00:02:38Z

Poland has taken in 9.49 million refugees from Ukraine: officials [Link]
Ukraine: Zelensky calls for long-range missiles [Link]

I don't see Russians taking western, Catholic part of Ukraine in a million years. Raving lunatics. Leave it to Poland to deal with. Throw a tactical nuke or two there just for a good measure and call it a day.

VooDoo6 · 2023-02-07T00:30:40Z

Poland has taken in 9.49 million refugees from Ukraine: officials [Link]
Ukraine: Zelensky calls for long-range missiles [Link]
I don't see Russians taking western, Catholic part of Ukraine in a million years. Raving lunatics. Leave it to Poland to deal with. Throw a tactical nuke or two there just for a good measure and call it a day.

I hear you Lima Charlie. I don’t see an extremist like Zionazilensky as a real leader in Ukraine’s real future. I suspect at some point Ukraine will perhaps have it’s choice of identity perhaps when all the pieces to puzzle get out, dunno. Zionazilensky already showed his true colors. He can’t roll in it w/o getting any on him. Fish rots at the head first.

parzival · 2023-01-29T23:22:54Z

Colonel Douglas Macgregor, Ret., is now saying that Russia may have to take all of Ukraine, moving all the way to the Polish, Romanian, and Moldovan borders, especially as the West keeps characterizing the Russians so negatively, and talking about regime destruction and dismemberment of Russia.

Colonel MacGregor also mentions a document authored by (((George Soros))) about ten years ago discussing an all out war coming against Russia, because (((Soros))) wrote that this is the last nationalist state that rests on a foundation of Orthodox Christian culture, with Russian identity at its core.

Satanic Soros even talks about how it would be useful for Eastern European lives to be expended in this process of creating countries like those in the West which (((Soros))) believed had lost their White Western Christian identities. I think Col. MacGregor is right, and I think Russia will have to take all of Ukraine. Douglas Macgregor - A Huge Offensive [Link]

parzival · 2023-01-29T23:30:59Z

BTW, US Abrams tanks in snow: [Link]

Good Optics · 2023-01-29T23:36:00Z

parzival $US10M and 60 tons worth of steel [Link] won't get you around the block

parzival ·

Good Optics

· 2023-01-29T23:44:44Z

parzival · 2023-01-30T03:08:49Z

Good Optics Didja see the new Canadian pen holder..work of art: [Link]

saintgermaine · 2023-01-30T00:26:44Z

If it would not be for the US most Ukrainians still would have a roof over their heads and sleep in their own beds and this war would be over by now. Probably the eastern portion of the Ukraine which has a large portion of ethnic Russians and was constantly assaulted and antagonized by radical groups would have been annexed by Russia and things eventually would have settled down. The only difference would be if Ukraine returns to Russian guidance as it has been previously for four hundred years would be somewhat less corruption and most of the radical elements would be wiped out.

The same goes for Europe if they had not jumped on the US bandwagon. The US or one of their followers purposely damaged the gas supply lines making sure that Europe in general and Germany in particular remains dependent on the US like a colony, just in case they may come to their senses and change their mind.

Those days when Russia had any ideas of expansion are long gone and over with and things of the past as Russia has more than enough and then some on its plate to take care of. All they want is a quiet neighborhood without NATO or CIA manipulation and intervention. Just like the US likes to keep their backyard free of any intruders, as expressed in the Monroe Doctrine. But the warmongers within the US government along with their associates and friends keep egging them on, knowing that a peaceful coexistence is bad for the production of war materials, especially the military industrial complex as well as the globalists, cranking out wartime supplies like there is no tomorrow and if they keep it up there may not be one. So, they keep stirring the pot until it will boil over and it isn’t too far from doing just that.

ReRan ·

saintgermaine

· 2023-01-30T01:45:20Z

VooDoo6 · 2023-01-30T02:28:52Z

saintgermaine Well said.

katesisco · 2023-02-01T14:01:39Z

saintgermaine Agree. This insulting flung -out demand for any country to send weapons to Ukraine is in reality a demand for support for NATO. The mass-murderer Zelenski is now on shaky ground as his people bear the endless killings for no reason. The tell-tell indicator of any US involvement is the elimination of a million people; moved to the desert, buried in the ravine, interned, robbed of homes and children, left to starve.

The best use of this conflagration is cover for the continuing construction of the IRAQ to the MED oil and gas pipeline passing thru Raqqa, soon to be a country all by itself courtesy of an overnight act by NATO.

parzival · 2023-01-30T02:08:48Z

'A call for American Patriots to join the ranks of the Wagner PMCs.' [Link]

parzival · 2023-01-30T03:25:18Z

Interesting thread on Twitter about all the arms being sent to Ukraine: [Link]

ReRan · 2023-01-30T14:40:22Z

parzival Thanks, that's incredibly interesting!

parzival ·

ReRan

· 2023-01-31T01:47:36Z

arrow · 2023-01-30T12:26:19Z

Haha... all those idiots will know when the war starts.

parzival · 2023-01-31T09:29:06Z

'Ukraine: The War That Went Wrong' NATO support for the war in Ukraine, designed to degrade the Russian military and drive Vladimir Putin from power, is not going according to plan. The new sophisticated military hardware won't help. by Chris Hedges Jan 29 [Link]

parzival · 2023-01-31T09:30:01Z

'Russian Firm Offers $71,000 Cash Bounty For Destruction Or Capture Of Western Tanks' BY TYLER DURDEN [Link]

parzival · 2023-01-31T10:01:57Z

'All Roads Lead to Rome' (Part 1) Atlanticists vs Isolationists by A Million Tiny Fleas [Link]
*

All Roads Lead to Rome (Part 2)Parasites and "The Real Fascists" by A Million Tiny Fleas [Link]

Buffalo_Ken · 2023-01-31T15:12:41Z

Here is an interesting link regarding a diplomatic visit in Moscow.

Apparently there is a separate visit occurring in Kiev.

Anyhow, this is what Lavrov had to say as reported by "Sputnik International" I think:

[Link]

Buffalo_Ken · 2023-01-31T15:19:54Z

Here is some additional information from Moon Of Alabama:

Egyptian Foreign Minister Shukri is flying to Russia in the evening to take part in bilateral talks. Today he met in Cairo with US Secretary of State Blinken. Egyptian Foreign Minister Shukri plans to discuss the situation in Ukraine during his visit to Russia, his office said. The Russian Foreign Ministry said that talks between Lavrov and Shukri would take place tomorrow.[Link]
Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 31 2023 13:08 utc | 387

and some further information indicated by the "Flying Dutchman" in post #389 (as presently numbered in response to the "Melaleuca")

But that is not all. Israel’s Foreign Minister is on his way to Kiev: Eli Cohen made the announcement during a meeting with U.S. Secretary of State Blinken who said the U.S. expects “to discuss ways to further support Ukraine and the Ukrainian people at this critical time”

Just trying to stay on top of the times being - things are getting precarious.

BK

skywood · 2023-01-31T20:35:14Z

Nato is beginning to look ridiculous.

rakarb · 2023-02-01T22:47:23Z

skywood hmm. who is not?

beginning to look ridiculous

these days ?

nato, us, europe, china, russia, sott, u, me, anybody, everybody?

[Link]

skywood · 2023-02-01T22:50:06Z

Yes indeed.

I start to think this war is gearing down (great!) and then the West go and do some monstrous attack to start the whole thing up again.

rakarb · 2023-02-01T23:04:17Z

i do in general feel bad about wars. i feel this war is worse than most wars 🥶

skywood · 2023-02-01T23:16:44Z

It is terrible. Dreadful death rate, barrage and trench warfare not unlike the Great War. But with the hawks in the West it could get an awful lot worse.

rakarb · 2023-02-01T23:38:29Z

i fear i will in the end have to fight ppl i do not dislike

skywood · 2023-02-02T10:28:01Z

rakarb What you imply is so scary. There must be so many conscripts who have no aggressive, hostile or unfriendly attitude(s) towards their proposed enemy, be they Ukrainian or Russian, and yet the political class above are sending them to war. I believe within the Ukrainian system if you refuse to fight it's five years in jail. May be the best option. Not sure what the circumstances are in Russia.

Niall · 2023-02-02T18:37:08Z

First the German FM, now this from top British Tory MP, Tobias Ellwood:

"We [the UK] are at war with Russia. We need to face Russia directly."

[Link]
I guess it all depends on who you ask!

skywood · 2023-02-04T12:01:33Z

Niall I think politicians like saying it, it appeals to their overweening need to boost their already enormous sense of megalomania.They can feel Napoleonic and historic!. But of course they get told off afterwards. Then they can go back to their manic depression.

At times - despite all the dreadful deaths that are reported - it all looks like ham theatre, especially the EU

Or maybe this is the truth: The US empty Europe's half empty cupboard of arms and then force (and scare them with the awoken eastern bear) to prove their commitment to Nato and massively restock from the US of A. Now that is big money!

rakarb · 2023-02-04T23:06:40Z

skywood i do not either agree/disagree with you/nialls.

my worldview simply deviates from yours.

rakarb · 2023-02-04T23:28:41Z

i do still not understand if sott is an including site for alternative ideas or a narrow halleluja site.

and yes, it have occured to me that it might be me who is a bit thick 🤭

rakarb · 2023-02-04T23:42:01Z

rakarb why the fuck are all the interesting ppl being removed?

skywood · 2023-02-02T20:54:14Z

This is news to me and very disturbing. I have just come in. I am English and live here. I will see how this i being reported here and get back.

skywood · 2023-02-02T22:16:14Z

Slow because I very very very very rarely switch the British media on.

rakarb · 2023-02-04T01:16:42Z

hmm, under war, even british media will be silencing 😉

Buffalo_Ken · 2023-02-04T22:02:53Z

So the balloon has been popped off the coast of NC just after it flew overhead and got close to me and I predict this will go down in history as one of the worst propaganda (5th G) losses of all time and that I can't deny gives me pleasure because I been lied to since the day I was born and the time for Justified Retribution is at hand.

~

What a joke upon humanity DC is is what I said elsewhere, but let me say it again - what a joke a bunch of dimwits in DC are - it starts at the State Department I reckon, blinking idiots, but only question left is if the citizens of us of a are just as dumb as the dimwits out of DC.

~

Time will tell - but it obvious, if a balloon was harmful why wasn't it shot down before it traversed the whole country and I give no heed to the explanation, fabricated no doubt, that it was for the sake of safety.....because we all ought know by now, safety is not the incentive the folks in DC think they are calling the shots care about - all they care about is their flawed ideology.

~

The proof is in the pudding.

Buffalo_Ken · 2023-02-04T22:34:20Z

The "state" of America. Land of balloon killers.

[Link]

parzival · 2023-02-05T05:09:47Z

Buffalo_Ken It is balloon!!!! [Link]

parzival · 2023-02-05T07:03:33Z

Buffalo_Ken Ballooning Biden: [Link]

parzival · 2023-02-05T07:15:25Z

Buffalo_Ken Thirsty balloon for you Ken: [Link]

Buffalo_Ken ·

parzival

· 2023-02-05T16:17:56Z

rakarb · 2023-02-11T23:00:12Z

hmm. i guess most ppl here are not here bcz of interest in music, which i do respect.

but really, not a single one who see that punk/underground/sub-pop/rap/whatever is about the same thing as you are doing?

QUESTIONING/(pointing at the human aspect).

[Link] [Link]

Demore · 2023-02-11T23:18:08Z

rakarb ''but really, not a single one who see that whatever is about the same thing as you are doing?''

I removed the list to help understanding the question and... Could you reformulate the question ?

rakarb · 2023-02-11T23:42:10Z

Demore i could reformulate and even elaborate.

but why would i ?

Demore · 2023-02-12T00:21:43Z

rakarb That is the question, isn't it ?

rakarb · 2023-02-12T00:30:46Z

Demore that is one question amongst many other questions. (imo).

Demore · 2023-02-12T02:26:58Z

rakarb The best conversation to nowhere I've had in a long time.

parzival ·

Demore

· 2023-02-12T04:26:42Z

rakarb · 2023-02-15T23:19:43Z

the secret is to ask a pointed question now and then amongst all the meaningless plappering 🤫

rakarb · 2023-02-15T23:34:47Z

i do not understand why persons who think they have all the answers do not have any questions

rakarb · 2023-02-15T23:47:20Z

hmm; [Link]

rakarb · 2023-02-16T00:23:17Z

also nice, just sorry she had to wrap up like that to please the american audience; [Link]

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