MindMatters: Kicking the Cluster B-hive with Joshua Slocum: Queen B's, Homosexuality & Dealing with Narcissists

not all gay men like Mousey Ursula paeds

not all gay men enjoy Madonna

not all homos are Borderline PDs

was gonna listen, now, don't wanna

Using the gay terminology, describing themselves as 'active' or 'submission', 'top' or 'bottom', or even 'switch', all indicates that they are 'two people', as many indigenous peoples refer to them. I think it is fair to say that it is borderline personality being normalized to the extent of 'promoted insanity'. Just look how the same people who promote this agenda just fall into dramas and temper tantrums at the slightest mention of a point of view which opposes their celebrated animalization of the human spirit.

This is not said to attack, but to reveal 'the nature of the beast'.

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you're following me around on the boards - speaks volumes

it appears you've a deep rooted revulsion of homosexuality, which I experienced myself before coming to terms with ... myself

I respect Joshua’s journey, or process, as Elan put it. We are all on a journey. We are all on the individual journey of identity, purpose and meaning in our lives. Each person’s journey is unique. We are each faced with the questions: Who am I? Is my life meaningful? Where am I going? Does the process end at the age of 40, 50, 60, 70 or 80? In the Gurdjief system, the danger is that you crystallize into some dogmatic view of yourself and life. In other words, you can no longer change, you are no longer curious. This is one meaning of Jesus’s saying that you must be children to enter the kingdom of heaven.

Gurdjief, in one view, divided an individual man or woman into an unreal part he called false personality, and a real part he called essence. One is the psychological mask we wear in presenting an image to other people, and the other is our authentic self. One is developed as a means of dealing with experience, bad or good, one is your natural being. Personality is acquired, and it takes on the ego identity of a person. This would be called an imaginary identity, which again can be outwardly good or bad. If you see yourself as a victim of life experience, this is an identity. If you see yourself, as a geek, this is your identity.

We can look at identity as what you value in life. In advertising it is youth, white teeth, sexiness, sexual prowess, a sexual mate determined by the beer you drink, partying, pleasure, attractiveness as determined by makeup and hair style, health that is drug dependent, safety, great car and home, financial gain, some form of collective identity, like pro-life, pro-abortion, gay, straight, Golden State Warriors fan, medical doctor, academic, Beyonce fan, Star Wars fan, etc.

One of the most prevalent imaginary identity structures relates to sexuality. If you are overweight, you are unattractive to yourself, and your self image is worthless. If you are attractive, but are not sexually proficient in some manner, you are a failure. If your identity depends on sexual relationships, then it is doomed to failure, because the sexual experience is fleeting and because it is always seeking a new or forbidden fruit to heighten the pleasure. In seeing it this way, it does not matter if your sexual relationship is gay or straight, it leads to a failed connection to another person and a sense of emptiness in oneself. Seen in this way, we seek meaningful relationships with others, and these depend on values of love, loyalty, friendship, common purpose, standing up for others, helping, serving, etc. Joshua has made that shift in consciousness in my view.

Since the purpose of our life is to grow in consciousness, we grow through the choices we make and our reflection on those choices. Some choices take us down, like drugs or alcohol or “free” sexual relationships, some take us up mostly dependent on values or virtues. Some choices are self-serving and narcissistic and others are compassionate and help oneself and others. Then you can begin to look at sexual energy as both life giving and the source of higher consciousness (see Elizabeth Haich’s Sexual Energy and Yoga).

I think there are a lot of inherent temperamental tendencies associated with being gay or lesbian. These might not show up as genetic, but be just as powerful in their effects on development - and on the lack of ability to use stereotypic societal expectations as behavioral guidelines. So that creates the soil for a generally iconoclastic or nonstandard approach to life.

There is a generally characteristic quality about gay or lesbian people, if they can become comfortable in their own skin, aren't hiding from themselves or the world, and have taken personal responsibility for their own psychological trauma, which is that they are natural anarchists. That's what I sense from Joshua and I love it! He's created a rare and precious alchemy by turning the shit that his upbringing added to that soil into self-knowledge. Due to that alchemical process, he can enrich the soil and grow bounteous crops of wisdom and knowledge.

We can all benefit by people like Joshua, whose life circumstances, met with authenticity and honesty, have enabled him to provide such an example of a life worth living, and a support for others.

Speaking of genetics:

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"Russia has now DIRECTLY accused the DNC Globalists of:-creating and releasing new variants of Coronaviruses, and now Monkeypox, intentionally, for the purposes of political control and world domination.

-using non-consensual experimentation on citizens of the world to create genome specific biological weapons for ethnic cleansing.

-creation and usage of narcotics, such as methamphetamines, on Ukrainian forces to dehumanize them in order to carry out heinous crimes against humanity on civilians in Ukraine..." [Link]

' Groupthink: we are all victims' US HHS response to COVID was textbook, in all the wrong ways by Robert W Malone MD, MS [Link]
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"Irving Janis developed the concept of groupthink to explain the disordered decision-making process that occurs in groups whose members work together over an extended period of time. His research into groupthink led to the wide acceptance of the power of peer pressure. According to Janis, there are several key elements to groupthink..." [Link]

BREAKING : 'FBI supervisory analyst who rubber-stamped the 2016 dossier w/o vetting and wrote 2020 "disinformation" assessment derailing Hunter Biden investigation is a leader in a DC-area church that was investigated for covering up child sex abuse including child rape & molestation'

JT, I'm not pleased by your comment and request an answer.

As most of us are aware, astrology indicates that each of us are born under planetary and cosmic influences. If the universe is intelligent, that would make sense. We are not all alike, we are each individuals. In Gurdjief’s system, the enneagram is a symbol that represents the Fourth Way description of these types and influences, but in the enneagram there are only 7.

There are 6 planetary types corresponding to the moon, Venus, Jupiter, Saturn, Mercury and Mars, and one sun or solar type. In the enneagram there is also a flow of light or progression of the types. Each type is influenced by electromagnetic field of the planet involved through the endocrine system: the moon is the pancreas, Venus is the parathyroid, Jupiter is the posterior pituitary, Saturn is the anterior pituitary, Mars is the adrenals, Mercury is the thyroid, Solar is the thymus gland.

Why am I giving a brief description of the types? In the enneagram they are arranged as pairs, because one is a feminine type and more passive, and the other is a masculine type and active. The moon is paired with Mars, Venus is paired with Mercury again feminine and masculine, and Jovial is paired with Saturn respectively. The type of a person affects thinking, feeling, movement, body structure, and sexuality. A male venusian or lunar type will be more feminine. A female martial or saturn type will be more masculine. The solar type is more androgenous, someone who appears both feminine and masculine.

In the Peter Ouspensky line of the Fourth Way development, one student Rodney Collin developed a Model of the Universe based on Ouspensky’s teaching. According to him, his book The Theory of Celestial Influence, was given to him by Ouspensky. Collin uses the science of the time to create a unified theory of life and the universe, and using Gurdjief’s law of three and law of octaves. You can download a pdf of the book here. [Link]

Something that is missing from this discussion is the impact our caregivers (male and female) have had on our early childhood. Our feelings towards and reactions to either gender are caused by this early childhood experience. For example a male brought up by a woman, who might be dominating or even vicious, can be terrified of any relationship with any woman. In that case it would be difficult to discern his natural sexual orientation. The books and movies ‘Fifty shades’ give a very good example of how the mother’s treatment can affect the boys sexual preferences. Only love heals all, as The character Christian Grey found.

Around the 19 minute mark, it is mentioned about how the authorities never admit they are wrong, and that if they did so, they would actually gain public respect, because most people would see them as human.

Whilst it is certainly very true and anyone human can agree with it, it is also impossible in the current system, because an authority that admits it's wrong also destroys the very foundation upon which rests its AUTHOR-ity - to be right (write). Every leader in politics knows that his or her magical spell of authority will come to an end the moment they'd utter the all-too-human words: I was wrong.

Nevertheless, it would be great to hear such words, but let's not hold our breath.

Great Conversation! I started using the term 'The Walking Wounded' for every human on Earth years ago.

I'm a 67 year old straight woman with no children. It's only when I was about 45 that I felt like I had acquired enough information to perhaps have a child and not completely Fuck it up and by then it's too late. It's amazing how so many role models are completely lacking for everyone.

Perhaps Parenting classes like Driver's Ed???? I'm being trite, yet the Planet is in need of something. The classes would be too late since the damage might already be too deep. There has to be a way to stop the generational dysfunction. As the famous quote goes....

“Give me a child until he is 7 and I will show you the man.”

― Aristotle, The Philosophy of Aristotle

Again great conversation

Notice he only talks if his mother, where was dad? Did I miss something? Did his mum make him gay like a lot of mums do now?

Yes, this is very true.

I hope you don't mind my sharing a picture of caretakers.

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It's important to remember that when when people buy into mass hysteria, they are attempting to mask their own hysteria.

Sometimes it happens slowly, in quiet desperation, like glaciers scratching and clawing across the rock.

There was constant bickering/teasing between the two, almost like a battle for control.

He was more limited, and yet masculine, intelligent, a far more loyal, not in action but attitude-though she is sweet.

Let me explain. While they were always monogamous, he gave her the independence she craved...or so she thought.

I was so taken with her beauty and spirit and I liked the dress as well

He gave off a creepy intensity, bless the man and heart.

Dealing with a narcissist is actually real easy; just ignore them and they spiral and spin about. Attention is the only thing they want. Get the Mammoth, ignore the shrew.

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(not reccommend for easily provoced narcissists).