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This week on SOTT Talk Radio: is the increasing Ebola hysteria justified? Is it safer to be paranoid? Or is the scare blown out of proportion? We also looked into historical cases of real devastating outbreaks to see what can and does happen from time to time: outbreaks with mortality rates of up to 90+%.

Is US Senator John McCain fit for public office? Because he's been making some real weird statements of late, mostly to do with the ISIS islama-terra boogeymen. It's not just people behaving strangely of late. What is going on in the animal kingdom? Pets attacking owners in every US state; elephants attacking villages in India; hyenas attacking people in Africa; and bears attacking people in Canada and Russia.

All this and more in this week's Connecting the Dots:

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Harrison: Hello everybody. Welcome to another edition of SOTT Talk Radio. We're doing Connecting the Dots this week where we connect the dots of all the madness and insanity and general craziness that goes on on the planet. This last week has been just as crazy as usual and we'll be discussing it. Today we've got our usual hosts Joe Quinn and Niall Bradley, joined by SOTT editor Juliana Barenbuem. And I'm Harrison Koehli joining you again. So let's get started.

Joe: Excellent take it away!

Niall: Great intro there.

Harrison: Thanks guys. Well where to start? How about Ebola? We've got the first confirmed case in Spain just recently who had died, and the second case in the US. Now this just came out in the past day, I believe this morning. One of the health care workers or doctors that was caring for Thomas Eric Duncan in Texas has just been diagnosed with Ebola. So it looks like they didn't manage to fully contain that one. We'll see what happens with that, how far that goes. What do you guys think about that?

Joe: Yeah, they're saying that some serious mistake was made for that to happen. So yeah, duh! Obviously some serious mistake in spite of all of your space suits and your crazy security measures, it's not quite as easy apparently as just donning a bunch of plastic and a respirator to keep yourself safe from Ebola. There's been previous reports of medical workers having little tears in their suits or when they're taking their suits off, taking their gloves off, letting gloves just touch their hand or touch some part of their body.

So the idea that because it's not airborne, in theory, that it's hard to contract is obviously not the case. If you're in close proximity to someone or if you're working on someone as a doctor or a nurse or whatever, then there's a good chance that you're going to do something wrong because apparently all you have to do is just touch something that has touched the person, touched their body fluids, their saliva, whatever and it touches your skin then you've got it maybe. Maybe it's like skin permeable or something like that. I don't know how exactly. I haven't read up on it so much, but how it actually works - okay, it's not airborne, but do you have to chew on a surgical glove to get it or does it have to touch your arm and then it'll have to absorb through your skin or something? I get the impression they don't really know. They're not saying; they don't know exactly how it's contracted by other people. They say you have to come in contact with other people's...

Niall: I would go with "don't know" given that there are some people who are out there in the field working on this say it could be airborne.

Juliana: There's a bunch of independent Spanish researchers who recently said "it must be airborne" because no matter what protection you have, the minute you're in contact with the patient, and of course you need to breathe so it's not like super tight or anything, you can just contract it like any other disease. There's no bodily fluids involved in that. I don't know if it's true.

Harrison: And with this latest case they haven't even released the name of the latest victim so I don't even know if it's a he or she at this point, who came in contact with Duncan. There have been a lot of stories about how this guy, (bad audio) went to once he came back to the US. How many times did he visit the hospital? Was this the guy that visited the hospital two or three times and just how many people did he have contact with? And if you think about just the procedure when this guy comes to the hospital. Of course he's going to be interacting with people, just normally, who aren't following the so-called CDC protocols because if someone comes into the hospital, it's not like everyone in there is dressed in a hazmat suit and fully prepared. There are going to be people that come in contact with this person. So it'll be interesting to find out what details...

Joe: I think the danger here is that if it is airborne, it could be a strain of Ebola that has mutated or is a different strain from previous ones, i.e., it's a variety perhaps of the plague; the black death. So the thing here is that if that's the case then if it's airborne and people contract it, there's obviously an incubation period and stuff, but it may be if it's airborne, contracted by people whose immune systems are weaker. And then once it's there it can kind of mutate inside a person's body to become more aggressive or more virulent. So what I'm saying is it could take a longer period of time. We're just seeing the initial stages of what could be a pandemic. People are making a mistake.

Like there's this guy John Rappaport who's an alternative news researcher/pundit who's been around for a long time. And he's come out against the whole idea of Ebola being anything to worry about. He says it's basically being hyped for ulterior motives. But it's a bit dangerous for him to do that because sure, in the past maybe they've hyped various potential pandemics like SARS and swine flu and bird flu and cat flu and gerbil flu, but that doesn't mean just because they've done that or they may have done that in the past, a real pandemic can't come about because the logical fallacy in his argument - because some people like to talk about logical fallacies and different types of fallacies. They try to use these as a kind of coverall to dismiss someone's argument or dismiss someone who doesn't agree with them, you know.

But it's a logical fallacy to say that because they may have staged pandemic stuff in the past for ulterior motives like selling vaccines and stuff, that they're doing it this time or that that'll be what's happening in every case, because the process that they go through will be exactly the same, right? Because it's like the Boston bombing type thing. If you want to fake something then to all intents and purposes it looks like the real thing. Your response to a fake attack has to look like the response to a real attack. So it will be exactly the same or pretty much the same. So to say that because they're looking at doing the same thing they did with other pandemics right now doesn't mean that this isn't real. And like I said, it may just be the beginning of a future pandemic that will take a certain period of time to gain traction.

Juliana: And I'm not even sure they're doing exactly what they're saying because they are trying to tone it down quite a bit. You had had somebody with symptoms and then immediately they make sure that it was a false alarm and stuff. If they were trying to...

Joe: Hype it up.

Juliana: hype it up. wouldn't they instigate even more fear in people and tell them "Be careful of your neighbour if he went on a trip" or whatever?

Joe: Yeah, they would. And the thing is they have not been doing that. They've been playing down. Most countries are saying "very unlikely here. Maybe a few cases". There's the fear there, but it's not what it could be if they hyped it and as you mentioned last week. As several people have said that the reason there's no vaccine already for it is because the big pharmaceutical companies haven't seen it spreading or don't expect it to spread out of Africa and there isn't enough money or people in Africa to be made off the back of vaccines. So if their plan was to sell hundreds of millions of doses of vaccine surely they would be hyping up the wazoo as a preventative measure. Everybody now would be getting it because there are people out there who are afraid of it and it's in people's minds. So there's probably quite a big demographic despite the fact that they haven't been hyping it. There's probably quite a lot of people who would join the queue and get the shot, right? If it was produced for them. So it seems that the monetary aspect isn't really there.

Niall: Okay. There is one signal that goes counter - in the opposite direction. When Obama got in front of the UN in the middle of last month he lists the top three threats to America: number one was Ebola; number two was Russia; and I've forgotten the third one.

Harrison: ISIS.

Niall: Oh, the ISIS. Now he placed Ebola number one and that is a mixed message because that goes in the opposite direction to them not hyping and/or toning it down.

Joe: Yeah, when we talk about hyping it, we're talking about hyping it in a full spectrum, dominance kind of way. That's how you hype it, where you really - at a local community level - you start putting all the advertising and the hyping in place to get everybody to do it. An order has to come down. But for Obama to say it - Obama would say, "Barney the purple dinosaur is the biggest threat to America" because that's what he's there for, just to get up there and spout stuff. Most people don't actually believe him, even most people in the US. Not that polls are worth much, but some of them may be accurate, but there was a poll that about 65% said that he lies either all the time or some of the time.

Harrison: Some of the time.

Joe: So 65% of people said that about Obama, so the fact that he stands up and says "ISIS, Ebola and Barney the purple dinosaur" doesn't mean very much.

Harrison: And in a sense he was telling the truth. You list ISIS at the end, which pretty much poses zero threat to the United States. Russia, which poses something of a valid threat if you think about the battle between world views and geopolitics; not that they pose an existential threat or anything where they're going to go to war. But Ebola really is the most dangerous threat to America of the three, with the one and now two victims in America. So comparatively, a big threat.

Joe: Yeah, and yet nobody's really concerned about it, right?

Harrison: Yeah.

Joe: If you just sample...

Niall: More people will die from Ebola in the US than died from terrorism.

Juliana: Yeah but it appeals to this primal fear. Everybody is afraid of a virus. You talk about Russia. "Yeah Obama, shut up." You talk about ISIS. "You've already told us that terrorism stuff." But appealing to something so primal, it's just PR I think.

Niall: Well, they're starting to make use of it one way or another, at least locally. In Connecticut the governor there has issued a public health emergency authorizing the isolation of any individual recently believed to have been exposed to Ebola. Now my reaction to that is kind of actually more like so what? That's standard operating procedure: quarantine measures.

Joe: Yeah.

Niall: The alternative media in the US is running with that to say "Oh my god! They're going to bring in martial law. They're going to take away all our freedoms". And I'm saying "Dude, your freedom's long gone. They're not there anymore." So it's too late. I think the horse has already bolted. The mass screening at airports, it's in the country now.

Joe: Yeah, they're only screening people...

Niall: I think it's kind of to be seen to be doing something.

Joe: But thankfully they're only screening people coming from affected countries in Africa. They're firing a temperature reader at their foreheads, checking their temperature. That's the only extra security measure at airports for those specific people. That wouldn't be so bad even if they did that for everybody because having your temperature checked is better than having your colon checked.

Niall: A plane landed at Las Vegas, I think it was an internal flight and it was "temporarily quarantined". But it wasn't really. It was a false alarm.

Joe: It's kind of like this nexus of the terrorism propaganda and the Ebola terror propaganda. There was a flight from LA to Dominican Republic full of American holiday makers a few days ago and some black guy, American from LA, I suppose on the flight, and he made a joke about Ebola. He said something about Ebola.

Niall: Yeah. He sneezed and he said "I have Ebola" but he was kidding.

Joe: Yeah, something like that. So he was reported on by all his fellow passengers and they kept the plane on the tarmac at the airport for several hours and four guys in full hazmat suits and respirators came on and escorted him off.

Niall: The thing is, they would never have been able to tell in that time if he had it or not. What's the incubation period?

Joe: Well it's 21 days.

Juliana: They said between 10 and 21 now.

Joe: Ten to 21.

Juliana: They don't even know.

Joe: It's kind of funny. But this video of this guy getting taken off the plane was just funny because nobody seemed to be scared. People were just sitting there watching and videoing it and laughing.

Niall: And yet they reported it.

Joe: Yeah, they reported it, sure. There's always someone. I don't know. We're going to just have to wait and see on the Ebola thing.

Juliana: Well the thing is that even if they wanted to, assuming that they wanted to prevent the spread and stuff, it's very, very difficult because they don't know. They're talking about 300 mutations already and the pattern it's following is actually similar to what you read when you learn about the past plagues in history. It starts very, very slowly and then it grows exponentially like they're saying Ebola is. And you just see one person visiting another little town. At the time it would take maybe 10 days to reach another town and then you get a record from the parish records that says, "This guy died and then three weeks later the three people that he visited died." Now those three people had visited another nine and so on. So it can take up to whatever, six, eight, nine months for the disease to really, really spread.

Niall: Well it's been around that long. The outbreak began in January.

Juliana: Yeah, but it could be much, much slower. They say it stops or goes down by a lot in winter. So if it reaches Europe it could have...

Niall: A quiet winter.

Juliana: A quiet winter and then it perks up again. You don't know. And is it the plague? There's many symptoms that are similar to what the plague used to be but then again you read the records of the plague and there are different symptoms within those records. Some people used to get the internal bleeding; some didn't.

Joe: Exactly. It may be ethnically specific.

Juliana: Yeah. Some people were immune and nobody knew how or why. There was a story actually that I really like because there was a brother and a sister and the sister had contracted the plague and the brother went out and she was so thirsty she went in the kitchen. She was almost unconscious and drank a glass of liquid that was on the counter. And it happened to be lard, the frying lard. And when the brother came back she was on the mend. And it was one of those "What the hell?" So fat people, drink fat.

Joe: She drank a glass of lard without knowing what it was?

Juliana: Yes. She was thirsty and she didn't know what she was doing. She was almost unconscious. And the minute the brother came back she was like "Hi. I'm better now."

Niall: A glass of lard a day keeps the plague away.

Joe: Keeps the Ebola away.

Niall: Just a little piece of data on the idea that is being toned down, i.e., it's worse than they're letting us think it is. So there's a CNN report that can't be found any longer but it's been hosted by some other local news site in the US. I haven't had time to verify this, but it's allegedly from a spokesman from the European Commission who said Wednesday last week that by then there were eight confirmed cases of Ebola in countries in Europe. One in the UK, in which a person supposedly recovered; one case in France; two in Germany; three in Spain. There are about eight suspected cases total. But this was supposedly a confirmation of Ebola cases in Europe. But it's vague. Maybe he only meant confirmed cases we are working on and not it's definitely confirmed these eight people have it.

Harrison: Could it have been the eight or so people that were flown back to their home countries for treatment that had contracted Ebola in Africa?

Niall: It doesn't specify.

Harrison: Doesn't specify. Okay. Well with Ebola I think there's a bigger picture here. And it has to do with viruses in general. Like Juliana had said, plagues are a part of our history and they seem to come with some regularity. Just looking at the virus situation this year, it's not just Ebola that we've got. There's the Chikungunya mosquito virus that has been going around the Dominican Republic and the Caribbean. Now this is not a deadly virus, but there are around 740,000 people currently that have contracted this virus since I think December of last year. Now this is the first local outbreak in the western hemisphere. This is a virus that usually pops up in Africa and Asia. So this is the first time that it's actually appeared in the western hemisphere that is from mosquitoes in the area, as opposed to people contracting it in Africa and Asia and then coming into the country. It has also spread into the United States. There's 1,300 cases, mostly in Florida and New York, but in several cities in the United States.

So almost 740,000 people with this virus that hasn't been in the western hemisphere before. There's also this enterovirus d68 that's going around the United States. Now there are thousands of kids that are getting this respiratory illness. It's an enterovirus like polio but it doesn't necessarily give the same symptoms as polio; it's not as bad. But there are reportedly thousands of cases in the States of kids going in with severe respiratory illness. There's only 700 confirmed cases but of course this is much lower than is probably actually going around because these are the cases where they actually do the tests and find out exactly what virus they have. But there have been five deaths so far as a result of this virus. Today there was a boy, a toddler in Michigan that just died from it. So it's like the year of the viruses it seems.

Joe: Yeah. I think the connection there...

Niall: Also Dengue fever has returned.

Joe: Yeah. I think a plausible connection there is the large number of fireballs and meteorites over the past 5, 6, 7 years, the massive increase in fireballs and meteorites, meteors flying through our atmosphere and detonating. We had one just a couple of days ago; a massive loud boom.

Niall: Loud!

Harrison: It shook the house.

Joe: Above the house that shook all the shutters and it was not a sonic boom. It was an overhead meteorite explosion. Now this has been happening hundreds, probably thousands of times, in fact. Well maybe thousands of times over the past 5, 6, 7 years across the planet. There is a fairly solid scientific theory that germs, virus, bugs, etc., are carried on chunks of space rock. That's one theory actually how life was seeded on planet Earth; panspermia, where life arrived on a space rock. So it's quite possible that there are several different types of alien viruses that have arrived on our planet over the past number of years. And Ebola may or may not be one of them. What Harrison just mentioned, the enterovirus may be another. And there may be others. The question is which one is going to take, if it's going to take at all, which one is going to win out and mutate in the correct way to spread, with all the right kind of markers as in has to be virulent enough, it has to be airborne or very easily transmissible to create a pandemic; float in the air, people just breathing on each other can get it. That kind of a virus is going to be the one that wins out, the one that spreads the easiest and is the hardiest.

Juliana: Now Ebola has been around for a long time, but this new one, they're not even sure it's an enterovirus as far as I know. They just don't know what to name it.

Harrison: d68?

Juliana: Yeah, the one that children are getting. Just now they've come up with a name.

Harrison: I didn't think so. I thought they'd had it nailed, but I haven't looked into it too deeply.

Juliana: I think it's pretty recent.

Harrison: Yeah.

Juliana: And Ebola, is it really Ebola? Because they're noticing so many mutations, can there be similar viruses coming from a space rock like Joe said? All the plagues had similar symptoms. Does it mean it's the same virus?

Joe: No, exactly.

Juliana: Probably not.

Joe: It doesn't have to be.

Niall: The other key condition is that the populations, the host that receives this little information packet from space is in the right condition to suffer horribly from it.

Joe: Yeah.

Niall: So if panspermia-type theory is correct, well then it's arriving all the time and no biggie. The immune system in general is capable of fending it off. But when the conditions meet where people are sufficient corrupted, I mean in terms of their bodies' health, and something comes, yeah! You're in trouble. It's a bit like at the planetary level, fireballs wouldn't really be an issue; they aren't generally an issue. But in this time when the atmosphere is drastically lowered and the earth's magnetic shield is drastically weakened, these things are arriving further and closer to the ground. Therefore they present far more direct danger to us.

It's not just that fact. There are others. There does seem to be an increase in the actual quantity also. They can tell this from the higher number of comets reaching the inner atmosphere and diving into the sun.

Harrison: And comet dust.

Niall: Yeah. Never mind whether or not you actually see or observe an increase in fireballs. If you have a larger number of debris in the general environment, earth's just like a vacuum cleaner sucking it up as it passes through space on its normal orbit. So this is of course how it all plays into all the weather chaos we're seeing, increased volcanism, volcanic activity under the oceans, above the oceans. We've theorized before that a very slight slow-down of the planet's rotation is key to all this weird tectonic and earthquake activity because if you have all this comet dust, you've got a tiny amount of drag that isn't generally there. It's only a fraction of a slow-down but it can have huge consequences on the entire biosphere.

Harrison: I like the word you used "corruption" for the state of our health, because isn't it a funny coincidence that in such a corrupt time in the common sense of the word, corruption in positions of power, it's just pandemic on the earth. And at the same time our bodies are corrupted. Our health is corrupted. They seem to go hand-in-hand. We've talked about it before and Pierre's talked about it in his book Earth Changes and the Human Cosmic Connection. So there is a very clear connection between all these phenomena; corruption in high places, the famines and just horrible health, the horrible living conditions and the suffering that goes on and the fireballs and the plagues. They all seem to come around the same time. So it's looking like that's happening right about now.

Juliana: Metaphorically speaking about psychopaths, Łobaczewski said in Political Ponerology that psychopaths are like viruses and they don't even realize they're going to end up destroying the body that they've infected. And the way ponerization or the process by which psychopathy permeates into society is very similar to the way a virus works, actually. It's very interesting.

Harrison: Do you want to go into detail?

Juliana: No, no, no. You guys have stuff about politics to discuss.

Harrison: We can save that.

Juliana: Let's see Harrison. There's the minute you get the virus. Then there's a latency period when you're not contagious.

Harrison: Yeah.

Juliana: And then at the very end you start being contagious whether or not you develop the symptoms, right? And then the minute you're at the peak of the symptoms you start being less contagious; with most viruses anyway. So you could hypothesize or speculate about the state of society. They do their subtle thing for years and there may be a crisis needed, the symptoms have to be very, very visible for people to actually become immune to it, or so we hope.

Harrison: Yeah, and that's actually pretty much exactly how Łobaczewski describes it in Political Ponerology, how a group of psychopaths will get control over a political group or an organization. They pick organizations that have slightly "high language", so like in the name of humanitarianism. They've got ideals that people can get behind. And they use that as a cover to get in. So they've basically infected this organization that normal people might support because of the words that these people are saying. So this is kind of like the latency period where things are going on behind the scenes but it's not totally obvious yet. And then it reaches a crisis period or point.

So this can be a mass event or as Łobaczewski says the point where you can tell where a society is a pathocracy is when they start attacking their own people and cracking down on them. And we see this in the States. Just look at the police state that we've got in the United States. And at that point it's totally contagious. Well it's contagious beforehand. There's a period of contagion where it can infect other groups. This can be psychological/sociological bio-warfare where they'll infect other nations via coup d'état or warfare.

But then it gets to the point where it is so over the top and so obvious that the people finally turn against the system. At least that's the way Łobaczewski sees it. So that's kind of the point where the virus has done its thing, can't do very much more, and it collapses in on itself and basically the body dies with it.

Juliana: And actually virus is said not to be alive per se, sometimes, and it needs a host, just like psychopaths need human beings with a conscience to be ponerized, infected by that, so that they can do the job for them. The virus doesn't multiply naturally. It needs a host which then produces the little parts that the virus will need to produce more viruses and then release them into the body. So it's kind of like what they do now, what they've been doing all throughout especially the most recent years until it attacks its own body, humanity.

Harrison: And one other aspect of this: immunity. Because if you'd survived a virus, you go through the crisis period, you're symptoms disappear and you supposedly get immunity from it. Łobaczewski said the same thing about pathocracies. Now interestingly, Łobaczewski wrote his book primarily based on the Soviet Union. So you have this giant land mass, this giant country, now the Russian Federation, who has gone through this. They've experienced it firsthand. And it seems like at least some of them have learned the lesson. It looks like Putin's learned the lesson, and his advisors and the people that are actually getting things done in Russia. So I find that interesting, that Russia/Soviet Union, which was one of the biggest pathocracies in the last 100 years, is now the one that is going up against...

Niall: It's got a relatively high level of immunity.

Harrison: Yeah. And the United States is kind of lagging behind. Łobaczewski said there was an 80-year lag behind Europe. So the US is right where let's say Germany was in the late '30s.

Joe: Yeah, it's all about information because what you're talking about there is that the Russian people are more immune to the lies and manipulations and propaganda of the west because they've kind of seen it all before. So there you're talking about an immunity that is at the level of information, of awareness. I think a viruses are posited also to be essentially...

Harrison: Information.

Joe: ...Information at a fundamental level. They have information encoded in them to do specific things. And your body also has information encoded in it to do certain things in response to a viral attack, but also you yourself, your conscious self, is an information receiver and assembler as well, which includes awareness of what you can do to immunize yourself at a more overt physiological level, like maintaining your health and eating the right foods, and not eating chemical-laden foods. So it all seems to revolve around information at different levels or in different ways. It's all fundamentally an information war at the macro level and at the micro level as well.

Harrison: Well speaking of the information war and Russia, I've often heard really old people that have lived through communism...

Niall: Like people in their '50s. (chuckles)

Harrison: No, no. I'm talking about octogenarians, like people in their '80s and '90s who talk about what it was like. And reading the news and how when reading the news they just automatically assumed "Okay, well this is what they're saying so it's got to be false". Well maybe not that simple, but they had a scepticism about what was in the news that, except for what seems to be a very small percentage of the population, just isn't happening in the States. People eat this stuff up.

Now I'm Canadian, from Canada, and just as an example of this, the Ottawa Citizen on October 3 published an opinion piece by this woman Oksana Bashuk Hepburn. I'm just going to read a little bit of it, just to give you an idea of what Canadians are being fed in their mainstream media. So she starts the article:
It's frightening that some Canadians support President Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine rather than Canada's values of national sovereignty and territorial integrity, be it in the media or in public demonstrations like the one planned for Parliament Hill on Saturday. Russia's war of terror - Crimea annexation, ethnic cleansing, abduction, torture and murder, downing of the Malaysian plane - are abominations. The criminal is Putin. not...
Joe: Give me a break!

Harrison: ...not the Ukrainian. Okay, I'll stop. That's how it goes on for another 10 paragraphs.

Joe: And who is that?

Harrison: Oksana Bashuk Hepburn. She is...

Joe: I bet she's a...

Harrison: a Ukrainian ex-pat.

Joe: Yeah, exactly. There's an awful lot of those in Canada. I have a relative of a relative and his wife is in Canada and his wife is Ukrainian. And he just couldn't take anything I said about it. Really, he was just so totally biased because his wife was of Ukrainian stock. I think her parents were Ukrainian or her grandparents. And he made me aware of the fact that there's a lot of them in Canada, and you just can't go there with them. They're probably less able to go there than some people in Ukraine.

Harrison: Yeah.

Joe: That are actually living it.

Niall: To go back to a pathocratic regime devouring its own people. Since Mike Brown was executed in mid-August by a cop in Ferguson, Missouri, another 100 people have been shot dead by cops in the US. Seventy-seven last month alone. There have been a lot of protests. They've been continuing, obviously in Ferguson, Missouri, New York, across the US. Just this week another guy was shot. An 18-year-old.

Joe: Do people in the US realize how unusual that is? Did you say 77?

Niall: A hundred since mid-August.

Joe: Right. But in the last month...

Niall: In the last month, 77.

Joe: In the last month 77 people shot dead by police in the US. You know the US is a big place, a lot of people, 300 million people. The UK for example as 60 million. That's a fifth. So a fifth of 77 is about 18 or something. If there were 18 people in the UK who were shot by police in the past month there would be uproar. It would be like unheard of. But have Americans simply become acclimatized to it over the past I don't know how many years? Or maybe they're just not hearing about it because America is so big? Okay, that's a relative example I give but is it also the fact that it is so big means that if someone's shot in California, somebody in New York doesn't even hear about it, never mind care about it?

Niall: No, they're hearing about it and what's really troubling is we post these articles on SOTT and sometimes on our Facebook page, and then you go to YouTube videos about the protests or whatever and the overwhelming number of comments are in defence of the cops.

Joe: Yeah. Authoritarian followers.

Niall: It's just straight out. It's like "Oh, the crack-dealing punk had it coming". "Hello, but he was unarmed." "Yeah, but he would be a crack-dealing punk at some point in the future." God bless America. That is the overwhelming flavour of the comments. Now there could be a lot of social media manipulation going on but I still think it reflects the majority mindset. They are quite content that the government is eliminating untermenschen left, right and centre.

Joe: It's horrific and it just boggles my mind that there isn't a major national uproar about it because people should be afraid. But maybe that's the point. People are afraid. This is making people afraid of the police and therefore afraid of saying anything about it because it's kind of Catch 22. People are being shot out in the streets. If you organize a protest and go out in the streets, you're obviously going to confront cops and these are the cops who have been shooting people. So maybe it's best to stay at home and not protest these things. Just let it get worse and worse and worse until there's hundreds of people every month being shot by police.

Niall: A guy yesterday was killed. Eighteen year old Vonderrit Myers in St. Louis, Missouri. And the story from the shopkeeper was that he'd just left the store and he was asked for a comment and the shopkeeper said he was a nice guy and he had told the kid "Listen, it's getting dark. You better head off on home now." Now isn't that interesting? That's the kind of conditions that exist in a major US city. It's getting dark; you're black and you're young; there are people out there hunting for you; at least get home.

Joe: Better get home.

Niall: Yeah, and the cop who gave chase to him, he says because he was fired at but we cannot believe that for one second...

Joe: Can't rely on that.

Niall: His relatives say that's impossible. He was a gentle guy, unarmed.

Harrison: He was holding a sandwich.

Niall: He was armed with a sandwich which he just bought in the store. And for running; this off-duty cop shoots him 17 times!

Joe: Because he ran away.

Niall: Because he ran away. And the overwhelming public response of those that do hear about it is, "Well the punk deserved it".

Juliana: That's the extreme of authoritarian followers. It's the authority. You're going to defend it until you get killed. I think it's probably 50/50. People are afraid and they're like "better be good because I could be the next one", or just plain narrative upon rationalization for why a cop must have done the right thing.

Joe: Authoritarian followers are also afraid of authority.

Juliana: Yeah.

Joe: So across the board then there's people that don't like it, who are afraid, and people who accept it as necessary but they do that because they're afraid. That's their narrative.

Let's just go to a call here. Hi caller, what's your name and where are you calling from?

Kent: Yeah, this is Kent from West Virginia.

Joe: Hi Kent.

Kent: It's a wonderful gun-loving country here and the fantasy Americans have is that they've got their guns because there's going to be a revolution you know, and they want to be ready. And the reality of it is that the motivation for people to have guns is a race thing. You see a protest and all around the world, but you don't see anything here in the United States. They'll talk a good game but they don't do anything. They're just holding onto those guns because they want to shoot the black guy whenever the time comes. Talking about the Ukrainian narrative; a funny story on a Canadian radio show years ago. Apparently they found somebody up there who'd been a guard during the war in the Ukraine. You know how in this country or all around the world they're always agitating for these Nazi prison guards, he's 97 years old but somebody said he was a guard so we've got to roust him out and send him back to Germany.

So they found this guy and they said well we want to send him back to Ukraine, get him out of Canada, you know? The guy was Jewish and so the Canadian equivalent of the ADL and anti-Semitism, anti-Semitism, blah, blah, blah. So the response from this Ukrainian group was, "Well we're not anti-Semitic. If you can find a prison guard that's not Jewish you can deport him too." I thought that was a pretty good story.

Joe: Very good, yeah. Very true. Alright Kent. Have you got anything else?

Kent: No. Alright.

Joe: Kent was a bit low there. We're on a new kind of an audio system here and we may not have it fully worked out yet.

Niall: Do you remember the story about the SWAT raid in May this year where they threw a flash bang grenade and it landed in a baby's crib and it killed the baby? I think it did.

Joe: I think the baby was injured wasn't he?

Niall: Severely injured, okay, it wasn't killed. This week the grand jury just announced that the officers are off scot-free. Of course in that case it was totally an accident.

Joe: The cops will never get sanctioned by the justice system in America or pretty much anywhere else because the justice system ultimately is a part of the control system, part of the government, for maintaining law and order. And the cops are the thin blue line, whatever, the barrier between the ordinary people and the elite. And these elite are increasingly aware, even if they don't rationalize it or think it out clearly, they have definitely, especially after Occupy Wall Street and the various stuff going on around the world, springs and revolutions and stuff like that; I can imagine they definitely feel that pressure, that increasing threat like never before from the ordinary people. And the only thing they have to protect themselves against the anger of the ordinary people is the police force. They need to keep the police force onside. If they turn around and start sanctioning cops, putting cops in prison, they're going to push the cops into the arms of the people and against themselves, and they don't want to do that; So cops get clean away. They get let off every time and will continue to do so. And I don't think there's anything cops can do that would incur any kind of serious or meaningful sanctions by the system.

Harrison: Yeah.

Joe: It's amazing. It's really remarkable and people really need to take stock of the fact that something has gone horribly wrong in America, because 10 years ago or 15 years ago there wasn't this level of police violence against ordinary people. Something clearly has changed. It doesn't take a lot of thought to come up with what has changed in the past 10 or 15 years. It's terrorism, threats to everybody from evil amorphous terrorists therefore we need to beef up our security state and increase the number of SWAT teams, increase the number of SWAT raids, give local police forces armoured Humvees and tanks and sniper rifles and stuff. And it's all based on a fantasy that really doesn't exist in the sense of it being a real threat. So what's it for?

There's an inescapable conclusion here no matter what way you look at it. But nobody wants to look at it rationally. They don't want to follow the steps that got us here and look at the rationale for those steps because if you do realize that there is no threat, yet the infrastructure to defend against that non-existent threat was put in place. So what's it for? Well, what has been the result of it? One result of it has been 5,000 people killed since 9/11 by police forces in the USA; 5,000 American citizens. That's cause and effect. You don't have another explanation for it. Nobody's saying that that's why they did it, but that is what has happened therefore it's either "Oh, an accident. Whoops! How did this happen?" And it all just went wrong or it was at some level planned that way. Give me another explanation for it.

Niall: Anyone?

Joe: Anyone? Anyone? Anyone? Yes! You at the back of the class. The ne'er do well boy at the back of the class. The one that's always anti-establishment and stuff. Do you have an answer? And no, I don't want to hear from any of these conformists at the front. The guy at the back!

Niall: Oh it is obvious. If you were to look at it in the most unconspiratorial way possible, pure economics, the single largest growth industry in the US in the last 10 years is the security industry.

Joe: Yeah.

Niall: That's the only money where all this capital can be invested.

Joe: That's where it gets scary.

Niall: Yeah.

Joe: That's where it gets truly scary because it's not scary that they planned it this way, that they planned to crack down on the local domestic population and to tighten the controls and put everybody in a state of fear. That was all a means to an end. And the end was, like you just said, making money for themselves; increasing their wealth; greed; greed as a sickness; insane maniacal greed as a result of the increase in number of psychopaths in society and the ponerization as a result of those psychopaths in positions of power in society. That's what happens. So it's effectively like a runaway train. It has no real rationale other than just kind of insanity and insane greed to accrue to themselves as much wealth and power as possible. That's the end and the fact that it's turning the country into a police state, it's simply collateral damage. It's not the plan, at least of the people who are putting those policies into action, who are passing those laws. You can posit that there's some other plan further up in the ether or something and that's their plan, is to control and constrict the population and control the population more. But the operatives, i.e., the psychopaths in positions of power who are essentially just the foot soldiers of this "higher power" let's say, they're doing it as a function of who they are, of their innate insane nature which is a psychopathic nature. It doesn't take the future into consideration, the results of their actions. It's simply here and now and what I want and what I want is everything for me. And whatever I need to do or we need to do to get that, then we're going to do it. The end result is.

So it's a very clever plan and plot. And that's what gives rise to all these conspiracy theories that have no smoking gun evidence. It's a perfect crime in a certain sense, you know? Because the architects of the plan on the planet can put their hand up honestly and say "No, we didn't intend to do this. This is not our plan. We don't have this 'grand, new world order, control the population' plan".

Niall: Yeah. And they can mock people who attribute agency to them.

Joe: Yeah. And there's no hard evidence for it. There's no minutes from a meeting.

Niall: In fact they tend to feed off it.

Joe: Yeah.

Niall: I think they quite enjoy it because it ends up feeding into their egotistical empowerment over other people. They're lording it over other people. Conspiracy theorists really need to think about that. Conspiracy theorists, what is that? People who will see every outcome, particularly every negative outcome as a planned event to the nth degree, don't understand the extent to which they're hampering their own ability to figure things out because you end up contributing agencies to bunch of people who are like two dimensional people.

Joe: Yeah.

Niall: They're not even human.

Joe: That's an important point. I can't blame so-called conspiracy theorists for doing this and for reacting this way because they are sensing a line of force or an energy dynamic behind what they see happening on the planet and it's hard to imagine that it can't have been planned consciously by someone. The fact is that it wasn't planned consciously in the way that it seems to have been planned by the people who are the highest authority on this planet, who you could point the finger at. You're never going to get an admission out of them and even if you give them a lie detector test they would never fail it. They would never be able to admit that they consciously planned this new world order, control the population, all that kind of stuff, in a conscious way. They would never admit that because that's not what they're doing.

So the best thing to do is to give up that idea of pointing the finger at people in positions of power as being the architects of this dastardly, grandiose plan to control the entire planet and everybody on it with all sorts of ways and means, and to simply stand up against the abusive and corrupt laws and practices that are being put in place and followed and say no. Because you're going to alienate people, your audience, by trying to posit some kind of Illuminati-type plan. Keep that quiet. Keep that to yourself. You don't need to come out with that as your final conclusion because there's plenty of scope for simply railing against the injustices on this planet today. And there are people who are sanctioning and passing laws that are extremely corrupt and abusive but just simply leave it at that, rather than trying to ascribe some kind of motivation for doing that, some ulterior motivation for that. Their motivation is simply greed.

Harrison: Well what we're seeing is really the symptoms of this global societal infection that we were talking about earlier. When you look at what's going on in Ukraine, the Novorossians and the Russians are all talking about how "We're fighting fascism". That's their goal and that's what they're really fighting, but not really. What they're really fighting is pathocracy. They're fighting the fact that psychopaths end up basically orchestrating these things; not in the sense that Joe, you're talking about planning everything. What we're seeing is a natural process. When this sort of thing happens, it's an inevitable result that these people turn against their own citizens. It's an inevitable result that we have this violence and this warfare and everything going on like that.

Joe: Yeah.

Harrison: So what we're seeing is like if you have a virus and you have a symptom, it's not like the virus plans the symptoms and has this nasty plan to kill the body.

Joe: No, exactly.

Harrison: It's just what happens.

Joe: It's just what it does. It's what it's programmed to do. It's programmed to invade, overtake and ultimately kill. And like we say often enough: it's insane. It's an insane plan because ultimately like a virus will kill the body; it will be burned in the fire; it burns the body that the virus itself killed. So good job! Yeah, you just destroyed yourself as well. And that's what psychopaths are going to do, ultimately. They will just pursue their insane greed to the limit and beyond and have no concern for the results. So all we can do is simply do our best to awaken people up to that fact.

Niall: People are responding on an issue-by-issue basis but I think they have a global awareness, even if today I'm protesting against fracking, tomorrow I'm protesting against this trade partnership between the US and the EU. I mention those two things because this week there were mass protests, especially in Europe. The first one is fracking. There were 250 different protest events on every continent as part of global frackdown day, organized to target fracking. Now, in itself, you're like "Well, that's bad." But I would imagine that a lot of the people upset enough to take that issue and get to the streets about that one also hold the awareness (I can hope) that the impetus for this one particular destructive strategy, ultimately comes from the same source; a pathocracy. It's very much a big push by the US regime.

Simultaneously mass protests in Europe, Ireland's biggest protest in decades apparently, 120,000 people crowded Dublin yesterday to protest a local issue; a water tax. Previously water's free. Well you actually pay for it by other public utilities in other taxes like income tax. But they want to add an additional charge as part of these austerity measures, to "bring Ireland back into financial equity/balance" whatever. In other words to pay off the bankers' debts.

So there's a local issue which wouldn't have interest beyond its borders but it's a reaction, it's a reaction on the part of people to the pathocracy at the top and what it's doing to us. It's a reaction to oppression. Simultaneously the third branch of protest, TTIP, such an Orwellian bland name, the Transatlantic Trade Investment Partnership. This is basically the Atlantic empire trying to cement itself into a one unitary function: EU plus US plus Canada, I think, I'm not sure. People are protesting in the UK against it. But also the biggest protests were in Berlin. And I won't get carried away by it, but it's instructive of a reaction to the US regime.

Joe: This TTIP thing is insane on many different levels, but it's indicative of the way that these people operate. It's corporations. What it effectively does is break down all sorts of trade and business barriers between the European Union and the US, to allow ultimately for corporations in America and the EU to do better business, do business more easily with each other. Trade tariffs are already very low between the US and the EU at three percent. But they want the full monty. They want everything. They don't have access, for example, to public services.

Niall: They want to strip away the regulations that are in place to keep oligarchic interests at bay.

Joe: Yeah, exactly. That includes, for example, breaking down barriers. When you look at it, most of it is going to favour the US because right now the US is restricted and kept out of the European markets because of the way that they manufacture and produce food. That's just one example; the way they do business obviously. But employment laws and employee laws in the US are much more lax. Trade unions don't have any power in the US where they do still have some power in the European Union. So they want to break all those down in the European Union. They want to stop, for example, GMOs. GMOs are more or less totally banned in Europe.

The goal of this TTIP or the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership is to allow GMOs into Europe, remove that ban on GMOs in Europe, therefore allowing a lot more American produce to flood Europe, i.e., contaminated, tainted, toxic, GMO food into Europe. For example in food manufacturing there are 12 chemicals that are banned in the US that they attempted to include in the production of food and then they were banned. So there are only 12. In the EU for example, there 1,000 chemicals that are banned. So 988 chemicals that are now banned as part of food production in the EU, the goal of TTIP is to remove that ban and therefore allow essentially chemical-laden food from the US into the European Union. It includes also, for example, Bovine Growth Hormone which is banned in Europe but not in the US, therefore cows and cow meat that has been injected with hormones that previously was not allowed into Europe will now be allowed into Europe. But generally speaking it's basically handing over control of everything really, to corporations. It's kind of fascism as defined by Mussolini, which is...

Niall: The corporate control of government.

Joe: Yeah, essentially. It was kind of corporations and government ruling together, but in this case it's corporations supplanting government.

Niall: Corpgov.

Joe: Yeah, exactly. Because there's also a law where one of the stipulations of TTIP is that corporations would be allowed to sue governments for laws that the corporation claims lost them profit. For example, if an American corporation set up in Europe and wanted to dump waste water into a river and the government shut it down, then that corporation theoretically could sue the government for lost business because of that policy. So it implies the rewriting or the removal of many laws of European countries that are there to protect the population and to favour the profit making of corporations.

Niall: This kind of activity is long since underway. Brussels where most of the laws for the whole of Europe are written are already subject to heavy manipulation from lobby groups, just like in DC. Maybe it isn't to the same extent yet. This would be like a quantum leap in bringing it down to the same level that it is in DC. I'd like to put this in another way. In the US, at this point they talk about an economy in crisis. Yeah, the real economy's screwed, but the people who have accumulated vast wealth, they have a problem. They need to invest their capital in order to make it grow again or they'll lose everything. This is how capitalism needs to grow and grow exponentially. They need new markets to survive and to increase their wealth. They need somewhere to put it. They want to sink it into public services in Europe, in this case. When it comes to wars in other countries, they destroy the country and the very first thing they do is they turn around and hand out contracts left, right and centre because it's a means for them to reinvest the capital that's sitting there idle back home, because of this damn recession in the real economy. So it's the essence of this virus we're talking about. The host will die if it does not find new victims.

Joe: Yeah. Just to give you some statistics found here. Seventy percent of all processed foods sold in the US supermarkets - that's 70% - now contain GMO ingredients. By contrast, as I said, GMOs are banned in Europe. So TTIP plans to remove that ban and allow theoretically 70% of food in European supermarkets to be GMO as well and they'll be largely US-produced food. There are also European Union controls on endocrine disruptors, which are chemicals known to interfere with the human hormone system, there are maximum levels of contamination at a level that would block 40% of all US food exports. So basically the laws against endocrine disruptors, chemicals in foods that cause damage to the human hormone system, that blocks 40% of all US food exports to Europe. So the US industry groups are trying to use TTIP to get rid of that. I mentioned Bovine Growth Hormones. There's also chicken and turkey. Regularly US producers of chicken and turkey treat their bird carcasses with chlorine before selling them on to customers and that was banned in Europe in 1997. So the US government is now challenging that ban under TTIP. There's also environmental factors. The Toxic Substances Control Act requires a public regulator to prove that a chemical is unsafe before it can be restricted. That's the US. A chemical for human consumption and the public regulator, the US government or whatever, has to prove that it's unsafe, otherwise it goes through.

Juliana: In the sense until proven guilty and kills people.

Joe: Exactly. But in the EU it's the opposite. The corporation that wants to use it in food has to prove that it's safe before it can go through. So they want to turn that around and have the EU follow US policy.

Niall: And it's not that they are necessarily actively gunning for poisoning all of Europe.

Joe: No, they want more money.

Niall: What they're gunning for is, they want the money. You see the problem is it costs us too much for us to test this first, so why don't you just let us sell it and then the market will do its magic. What's really sickening about this is that it's a done deal basically, in Brussels and Washington.

Joe: Yeah, it's going to be...

Niall: And zero consultation with...

Joe: It was essentially top secret. It was classified. They've been talking about it for over a year and having hundreds of meetings for over a year and it was only the last month that they've de-classified one document on it. And they're planning to have it go into action or be implemented into law by the end of this year, hopefully. One example involves the same thing. They call it the Investors' State Dispute Settlement which is that idea of allowing an investor, i.e., a US corporation, to bring a case directly against the government of the country hosting its investment. So an example of that is Slovenia several years ago, or 10 years ago or something, sold off its National Health Service to a private Dutch company. But then a new government came in in 2006 and overturned that and wanted to make the National Health Service public again...

Niall: Nationalize it.

Joe: To nationalize it, yeah. And the Dutch company is now suing the Slovenian government for its loss of profit and trying to prevent it from essentially providing free healthcare. So this is a good example of what's going to happen; a corporation preventing a national government from providing free healthcare to the citizens because they would lose money. The corporation would lose money.

Harrison: And that's democracy.

Niall: Yeah, that's democracy when they're going to lose money.

Harrison: Yeah.

Niall: You turn it around and you've got a situation where they will unilaterally declare sanctions on Russian companies.

Joe: Yeah, the whole thing is...

Juliana: Maybe they needed those sanctions in order to push this even more. They vilify one side and then they get them to comply...

Niall: If they were thinking in terms of strict business they'd be shooting themselves in the feet, in both feet, because they lose out. But possibly at the broadest level, the way I sort of see this is a consolidation of Europe under a US grasp and then it makes sense that the sanctions against Russia are a part of keeping Russia out.

Juliana: Yeah, first you keep Russia out and then you're like "Well Europe, now you're with us. Why don't we push this forward?"

Joe: Well like I said, one of the crazy, ridiculous things about this TTIP, while we discussed all the crazy, ridiculous, horrendous, abusive, corrupt things about it and yeah, absolutely everybody should be protesting, not that it would make much difference but it's worth doing it. Anyway, the general objective of it is to increase trade and investment between the EU and the US. So there's a kind of a problem, an obvious kind of disconnect with that because there's this vast chunk of land to the east of the European Union that is for some reason being completely ignored in preference to this ridiculous, abusive, corrupt trade deal with a country 5,000 kilometres away across the ocean. It's maddening when you think about it. They're talking about the untapped resources within the US, for example, and between the US and the EU, the untapped business that can be done there. And the EU and the US do by far the most trade with each other than anywhere else in the world and yet the EU is on a land mass called Eurasia, and there are dozens of big countries with massive resources that are being completely ignored in favour of trade with America, which is ridiculous.

Niall: Not completely.

Joe: Well largely.

Niall: There was a statement from David Cameron recently, in all seriousness, suggesting the EU welcome Turkey, Azerbaijan and Georgia into the EU; "Let's just expand eastwards".

Joe: Oh yeah.

Niall: So they understand that at some level...

Joe: That they need to go east?

Niall: Yeah, they've got to go east.

Joe: But they've got to bring it...

Niall: But they mean it in terms of expanding the pathocratic regimes.

Joe: Yeah, expanding the Anglo-American empire and keeping America onside when what's the problem? Just ditch America! Sayonara, bye-bye, adios, whatever language you speak there! Really, let's get back to real politics and real geography here. America can do business with Canada and South America and Eurasia can rule the world. (laughter)

Niall: I think South America's saying "No thank you gringo!"

Joe: Juliana's from South America so she's objecting and that's fair enough.

Juliana: And Harrison here was...

Joe: And Harrison's from Canada. "Okay, well I'm sorry America, but we have objections here from the other two potential partners, so you're on your own."

Niall: In an ideal world the US would be isolated with impunity. I mean in the same way that's been suggested for Israel. Fine, let Israel put a wall around it and put them under siege. Starve them out.

Joe: In an ideal world there would be a regime change. If a regime change was ever needed and SIA was in America...

Niall: Well if they do this it might force it. We can force regime change in the US if we isolate it.

Joe: Yeah.

Niall: What's kind of happening is that in the wishful thinking of the psychopathic drive for more and more, "must invest, I need more", they are doing this to themselves. So what I've just said would be like "Oh, it's outrageous, a subversive, anti-American thing to say". But what I'm describing is building pretty much a wall with Mexico. You're doing the equivalent of - how was it described? - A regime gets to the point where they try to keep everyone in the state under their control. They're doing the financial equivalent of it through FATCA, making it extremely difficult for Americans not living within the US. By their actions towards Russia, towards China, towards the entire planet, they are isolating themselves. They are actually imploding and so these things like TTIP are desperation to not bring about the very scenario their actions seem hopefully...

Joe: Yeah. But that's what happens when you're insane and you're following insane policies and objectives. You're talking about people who aren't really human beings here. One of the fundamental aspects of human nature, what makes a normal human being, is self-preservation, and that involves seeing into the future, learning from your mistakes and not repeating your mistakes if possible. Certainly if they're painful enough you won't repeat them and if something comes along or if you come up with an idea and you can see that there's obviously going to be a negative result from it, you don't do it. Psychopaths in power don't have that. So obviously therefore the logical end result is that they're going to destroy themselves and take as many people down with them as possible. And they won't care.

Talking about policies; it's just looking so bad across the US. We talked about the police and what we were just mentioning about them essentially isolating themselves; in an effort to kind of not be isolated, they're isolating themselves increasingly. In California, the environment is responding in kind type of thing - across the world - but California is experiencing an unprecedented drought; a lot of places are wondering where they're going to get their water from. But when they look for that water, what they find is that California aquifers have been contaminated with billions of gallons of fracking waste water. So the water that's available, that they could actually try and reroute or use to mitigate the problem of the lack of rainfall, has been contaminated by billions of gallons of waste water because of fracking. And what's fracking for? Fracking is simply digging deeper and deeper for more money because of your increasingly insane greed. But the end result is the ordinary people are going to suffer. What's California going to do if it has no water?

Juliana: They've taken away so many jobs, they've taken companies abroad and all that expansion just to make more money and pay less salaries to underdeveloped countries. If China right now were to say "Bye-bye", they're screwed; there's no jobs. There's no real production in the US except for the local production of something. But they don't have enough. There was an article saying that the US would have enough fresh food for one week only if all the industry were to stop. That's like nothing. That's a really serious lack of planning.

Joe: But that psychopathic inability to plan for the future and to not walk towards the cliff has infected the population and it's defined by the particular variety of capitalism that America espouses, which is just "live for today, be as greedy as you possibly can for today and forget about tomorrow". And many Americans simply living for the moment, for the next cheeseburger, for the next Twinkie, whatever, for the next hit of whatever it is that hits them, the self type of thing, pure ego and narcissism and selfishness. And they're not thinking about the future. It's an example of ponerization of society where a flavour or a version of that psychopathic mindset drifts down and affects the society at an ideological level and what people want and what they aspire to, what they chase after. And they're all sleepwalking over a cliff.

Niall: I wonder, is there an actual virus at work, at that level too? There's a guy we've had on the show Paul Levi, who talks about the Wetiko virus. Okay, he's kind of metaphysical about it, but Jesus, people are infected with evil. How else do you put it?

Joe: Yeah.

Niall: And in sufficiently large numbers, that there hasn't been enough of a shock that a few of them might stir from their slumber.

Joe: Some of them have, but most haven't. And the fact that most haven't and most are just continuing to sleepwalk towards the cliff edge means that the weight of that sleepfulness or that entropy, that inward looking thinking, doesn't augur well for the future for America in terms of being reflected in natural disasters, for example, or in some way attracting a response from Mother Nature. What's going on with our favourite boogeyman terrorists these days?

Harrison: Well, a little bit more of the same. Speaking of protests, there's been a fourth group of protests going on in numerous cities all over Europe. I'm not sure if there have been any in North America, but mainly in Europe; Brussels, London, Dusseldorf; tens of thousands of Kurds protesting that the US and it's allies aren't doing enough to save the Kurds in Syria. So what's happening in Syria is on the border of Turkey. There's a Kurdish population there. Specifically the city of Kobani is currently being...

Joe: In Syria.

Harrison: Syria, yes, which is close to the border of Turkey, is currently being attacked by ISIS. And at one point yesterday ISIS had taken control of 40% of the city. There are at least 550 confirmed deaths. The latest update I saw was from a pro-western Syrian human rights group. These are the guys who are saying that Assad killed his own people, that kind of thing, so who knows if we can trust them. But they were saying that the Kurdish defence forces, basically, have somewhat repelled the ISIS attack. But what's going on there is that meanwhile the US is continuing to bomb areas of Syria and Iraq but really not doing much in Kobani. So it's like they're bombing all these empty buildings and oil refineries and grain silos and meanwhile ISIS is like "Okay, whatever. We're just going to continue to take over cities in this region and gain control of a larger and larger area of these two countries.

Now, Turkey has had a Kurdish independence problem for years and there's the PKK, basically the Kurdish workers' independence party in Turkey. And that party is allied with the groups in Syria, the Kurds in Kobani that are currently being attacked. I can't remember the name of their group right now, but anyway they're basically a faction of this. And they are labelled by Turkey and the US as a terrorist group. So we've got this alleged so-called terrorist group that is currently trying to fight ISIS, which is another terrorist group and which the US is supposed to be attacking, but they're attacking other regions. So this is going on and all these Kurds living in different European countries are protesting all over, conveniently asking for more air strikes.

Niall: Yeah, I was suspicious about what was going on there. Simultaneously protests erupt in Brussels parliament. I think they actually stormed into the building. Nobody usually gets close enough unless "Here's a protest we want everyone to see"; across Germany as well. Right away I knew that the Kurds had been activated. So I looked into the PKKs and its various offshoots. They remind me of the MEK, the Iranian cult in exile, where they have a lot of friends in high places in the west. If you go to one of their websites it's clear that their main base, and has been for 20-odd years, is London. They're yet another city of London exile group. I wonder if the Kurdish thing was done deliberately in the very beginning. Kurdistan, if you were to imagine such a country, would cut across...

Joe: Iraq, Syria, Iran and Turkey.

Niall: Iraq, Syria and Turkey.

Joe: And part of Iran.

Niall: And part of Iran. But the way they cut the borders makes the juncture of all four of those countries smack in the middle of "Kurdistan". And they would have known damn well at the time when this Sykes Picot line was drawn up in the early 20th century, that yeah, it's right in the middle of an entire ethnic group that should be a nation state unto itself. But you see, they didn't draw those lines thinking of the people and democracy and all that crap. You know the reason why Iraq is that strange shape? Almost like a rhombus? It's because it fits in the northern oil fields in Kurdish controlled northern Iraq and the southern oil fields in Basra.

Niall: The lines were drawn up by British Petroleum.

Joe: Of course, yeah. The entire Middle East was drawn up on business grounds, not on demographics.

Niall: But there's a whole history. It's officially listed that the PKK is a terrorist group, but they also fund them. There's good reason to suspect Israeli Mossad has directly funded PKK terrorism/freedom fighters, depending on the mood of the day. Today they're our friends and we want to support them. The US government this week, didn't say when, just let us know retrospectively they have troops on the ground in the north of Iraq, training and equipping Kurdish freedom fighters, when only 20 years ago they were doing everything in their power to have these people crushed.

Joe: Because they wanted to snuggle up with Turkey.

Niall: Yeah.

Joe: Because Turkey doesn't like the Kurds because the Kurds want a bit of Turkey for a nation state. Yeah, the whole ISIS, ISL, IS-Barney the purple Muslim dinosaur terrorist is kind of funny. It's so transparent that it's been manufactured. John McCain, who obviously has repeated flashbacks to 'Nam (laughter), when he was in the hole in 'Nam, every five minutes. Every time he's asked for an interview, asked to say anything, he has a flashback to 'Nam and comes out with a bunch of gobbledegook. But he's still there and recently he's urging for ground troops to defeat ISIS/ISL, etc. etc.

But John McCain is good in a certain sense. He's an idiot and he says things that he shouldn't say. He's on record as having said he likes the Free Syrian Army and the al Nusra Front, basically Al Qaeda. I'll just let you hear what he said not so long ago to that asshat on Fox News...

Harrison: Sean Hannity.

Joe: Sean Hannity. I won't talk about him. Anyway, this is McCain talking to Hannity about ISIS.
McCain: And on top of that I am concerned about this report about Syrian rebels and the ceasefire with ISIS. Senator...

Hannity: It's not true. It's not true.

McCain: Do you want me to read from weather. I don't care about the report. I know these people intimately. We talk to them all the time. But also let me point out that if we are going to conduct a conflict the way you are describing it, and I'm afraid that's the case, this is reminiscent of Vietnam; the gradual escalation that ended up in one of the worst defeats...
Joe: (laughter) Flashback.
...that America has ever suffered.

Hannity: Let me ask you about what your colleague Rand Paul said about it this morning. He said "It's a mistake to arm them. Most of the arms that we've given the so-called moderate rebels have wound up in the hands of ISIS because ISIS simply takes it from them or it is given to them and we mistakenly actually end up giving it to some radicals". How - look, things are very.

McCain: Has Rand Paul ever been to Syria? Has he ever met with ISIS? Has he ever met with any of these people?

Hannity: I'm not trying to cause a fight senator.

McCain: No, no, no, we're going to have a fight because it's patently false. This is the same Rand Paul that said we didn't want to have anything to do with anything in the Middle East, by the way. I don't want to get in a fight with him at all. But it's not true. I know these people. I'm in contact with them all the time.

McCain: Let me ask you this.
Joe: "Have you ever met ISIS?" "I'm in contact with them all the time." Of course you can excuse him and say he was having a flashback and he thought he was talking about the Viet Cong or something. But McCain is the one who has come out and said most clearly that there is definite contact...

Niall: Some handling going on.

Joe: Definite handling going on with these ISIS and ISL, etc., leaders. There's photographic evidence and a recent video, one of the most recent propaganda videos, this is ISL, the Islamic State, of this kind of training video where they show them crawling on the ground under barbed wire and stuff. And in the background there's tents and they all have US on them, but they're basically American military issue tents. Of course the plausible explanation is "Well, they stole those from the Iraqis", right? They overran Iraq and got hold of Humvees and stuff. There's also a report that some observers in Syria were going around picking up shells and they said that the vast majority of shells in the area of ISIS were all from American companies that made the guns. Again, they stole them from the Iraqis, right?

Niall: They made sure to get that out early on, that they arrived in the country and they took all the guns.

Joe: Yeah, exactly. They overran it. It was very much publicized. "Yeah, they overran Iraq and got all our stuff that we gave to the Iraqi army and the Iraqi army somehow just walked away and said 'okay, you can have it'." And this is just after the Americans had left, and left the Iraqi army all of these weapons and equipment. It's all a little bit convenient, you'll admit. And with John McCain there, with his people and maybe he himself, smoking a hookah or something with a bunch of jihadis, you get the picture. You see what's going on, really. And it's just more "9/11 Arab terrorists/they're out to get us/they hate us for our freedom/we have to destroy them but we're not going to do it actually. We're just going to..."

Niall: That's the narrative.

Joe: ..."but we'll use that excuse to go around and essentially patrol..."

Niall: "We know they hate us for our freedom because we talk to them regularly."

Joe: Yeah.

Niall: "And they tell us so."

Joe: "They tell us so."

Juliana: "Every time we have lunch and go partying, they tell us that they hate it."

Niall: Yeah! "That's all I hear. I don't understand. I get the guy lunch. Next thing he tells me he hates me for my freedom. I'm like, what?"

Joe: Yeah. John McCain was having some baby-back ribs, some pork ribs with a few ISIS leaders in a strip club in Miami, just last week.

Niall: Yeah, and between lines of coke the guy said to him "I hate you for your freedoms".

Joe: "See these freedoms? These ribs and the strippers and the coke? I hate that!!" (laughter) And John was like "Yeah, I feel you man, but listen what are we going to do about it?"

Niall: "Welcome to my world".

Joe: "But what are we going to do about Assad?"

Harrison: Well that statement from McCain was pretty funny because he says he's talking on the phone with these people all the time and it's just simply not true that there's a truce between the Syrian rebels and ISIS. Well, if you actually listen to the statements from the so-called Syrian rebels, there's this one guy, Basel Idris. He's a Free Syrian Army commander. There's Abdul Jabbar al Okaidi, a colonel with the Free Syrian Army and then Jamal Maarouf, a Syrian Revolutionary Front leader. All three of them have said publicly that "Yeah, we're working with ISIS. We've got a truce. We're working together against Assad". So maybe these guys just don't fill McCain in when they're having their chats every lunchtime, but these guys themselves are admitting it.

Joe: The whole thing is ridiculous.

Niall: It seems like a coordinated chaos.

Joe: Well just look! Last year John Kerry was peeing his pants in front of the camera to get to bomb Assad. He was about to do it. He was whipping everybody up and America was going to go and bomb Assad, and get rid of Assad. 'Assad's evil. We have to get rid of Assad.' And at the same time it was publicly acknowledged, there's no question about it, that the US and the CIA and the gulf states were arming and training the Free Syrian Army to get rid of Assad. Now ISIS also wants to get rid of Assad and the Free Syrian Army are fighting with ISIS and the al Nusra Front, etc., etc. So yeah, there you go. America is funding, training, supporting the new Al Qaeda, the ones that supposedly, if you want to make the connection, killed 3,000 on 9/11. Your American government or the people who control it or whatever, who went to war because Muslim terrorists killed 3,000 on 9/11, that same government, those same people, the architects of the Iraq War, etc., are now funding and training and arming the terrorists that killed 3,000 people on 9/11. Okay? You happy with that? Fine!

Juliana: Seems logical to me.

Joe: Well, just deal with, you know! People are going to go "That's terrible! You can't say that!" No, I can say that because that's what's happening if you just look at the data. That's obviously what's happening, right? I'm not a conspiracy theorist for saying it. It's not crazy kooky conspiracy theory. It's just the truth. And anybody who has a problem with that, they're just being childish. Grow up! That's the way the world works. Freedom and democracy and America's great, and all that kind of stuff? Get over yourself. I've never met one of those kind of dyed-in-the-wool wrapped in the flag Americans but I'd love to have that conversation with them. It wouldn't be on any kind of ideological or nationalistic or political angle that we'd have a discussion with that person. I would just say "Listen, we're talking about facts here! And what you're giving me is a load of childish bullshit that is in fantasyland and doesn't even take stock of the actual facts that are available for anybody to verify." So it's not about name-calling anymore. It's about simply the facts on the ground and accepting that that's the way the world works. And it's not strange, that I'm not positing some kind of a fantastical, crazy world where people meet in dark rooms and conspire to take over the world. No! I'm just saying that the people who killed 3,000 people on 9/11 are now being trained and funded by the same people in power in the US. Right? Okay. There you go. Just deal with it. It's not nice, but there you go. It's politics. That's the way it works.

Niall: Do you remember the statement last week from Biden? I've got it right here. I'll read part of it.

Harrison: So referring to Turkey, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates Biden said:
"They were so determined to take down Assad and essentially have a proxy Suni/Shia war, what did they do? They poured hundreds of millions of dollars and thousands of tons of weapons into anyone who would fight against Assad except that the people who were being supplied were al Nusra and al Qaeda and the extremist elements of jihadis coming from other parts of the world. Now, you think I'm exaggerating? (He continued to emphasize his point). Take a look. Where did all of this go?
So Biden claimed that the US opposed arming these al Qaeda-linked groups which included ISIS, adding:
We could not convince our colleagues to stop supplying them.

Niall: "They did it! They did it!" Now this week he's been backed up by a former British general who got a headline in the British rightwing newspaper the Telegraph:
Qatar and Saudi Arabia have ignited the time bomb by funding the global spread of radical Islam. The root problem is that these two countries are the only two countries in the world where Wahabi Salafism, an extreme form of Islam, is the state religion. ISIS/ISL is a violent expression of that Salafism. The primary threat of ISIS is not to us in the west, but to Saudi Arabia and to the other gulf states.
Joe: Haven't I been saying this for weeks?

Niall: Yup.

Joe: That that's what they're afraid of and it's being used. This is the implied threat by the US, felt by the gulf states, that if these kind of proxy groups can be used to overthrow Assad or Gaddafi or whoever, then what's to stop them overthrowing the House of Saud. And now you have Biden kind of like upping the ante by saying "Yeah, they did it". Okay, so the Saudis sent all the weapons? So where did the Saudis get the weapons from? Let me look through my records here. I think there's a $3 billion arms sale from - oh, from America to Saudi Arabia just last year! Did you happen to wonder where those weapons might be going when you signed off on that deal? Give me a break Biden. You're full of ssshhhhee-ite Muslims. (laughter)

Niall: And the UK had massive arms sales to Qatar, so they're both thick as thieves in this.

Harrison: And Turkey. That's the other one that Biden had to apologize for, for saying that Turkey was doing this.

Joe: Yeah, blaming everybody. It's got to the point where America's pointing the finger at everybody in the Middle East. "It's all their fault. They did it! We don't know what to do anymore."

Niall: But there was obviously an arrangement that the US is backstabbing people left, right and centre.

Joe: Yeah, they're not meant to break ranks like that, no. I don't know what their actual agenda is but maybe they'll have an ultimate plan to get rid of a few monarchies in the Middle East and they figure this is their opening salvo, you know. "You guys are responsible. If it all goes to hell and you get overthrown, well then you've only got yourself to blame, and our weapons." And just while all of this madness is going on, right now, today, we have Vongfong and Hudhud.

Niall: Hudhud?

Joe: Hudhud and Vongfong.

Niall: Who are they? Are they like new terrorist groups? (laughter)

Joe: Two new terrorist groups. They're two new terrorist groups. One of them is centred on Okinawa and Japan. that's Vongfong. And Hudhud is a terrorist cyclone/typhoon off the east coast of India. Pretty major cyclones; basically hurricanes; it's just silly. When they're in a different part of the world they're called...

Niall: Different names.

Joe: Different. But they're hurricanes, pretty strong ones. Right now in Okinawa, Vongfong is going to track from the south, right through the north of Japan. And just a few days ago Japan had a 6.4 earthquake.

Juliana: After the volcano Ontake.

Joe: Exactly.

Niall: They had a volcano.

Joe: Volcano, earthquake, tornado.

Niall: They had another massive typhoon/hurricane whatever, last week. Obviously it's flooding everywhere but they're having so much rain and it just keeps coming with each new storm. This one they're calling a super typhoon because it reached category 5, at least out to sea. I think it's weakening now.

Joe: But still, it's extremely...

Niall: The pictures of it from space are just like whoa!

Joe: And those coastal regions of Japan that were devastated after the Tsunami in 2011, have just been recently rebuilt, are at the very least in certain areas going to be inundated with tidal swells from Vongfong. So there's just no let-up. It's not getting any better people. It's getting worse and it hasn't got as bad as it's going to get, yet. So it's something to look forward to: Ebola, more wars, earthquakes, volcanoes, tornadoes, hurricanes,...

Harrison: Flooding.

Joe: Flooding, torrential rain.

Niall: And hail; a lot of hail. Three feet of hail fell in Italy. It fell in the region but it centred on a town called Brindisi, which used to be Brundisium in Roman times. Fans of Roman history will I think remember the importance of that town. It was basically one of their major ports for sending their war armies east. The images are just like "What? It's October!" And it's basically so warm and there's hail up and above the bonnets of cars on the streets. Cars are buried.

Joe: Buried in hail, yeah.

Juliana: Very extreme weather too; in places where one day they declare national catastrophe for drought, the next day you have a massive flood and the water doesn't seep through because the soil is dry.

Joe: The ground is dry, yeah. What have we got from the weird desk this week, Harrison?

Harrison: Well the weird desk: angry animals.

Joe: Angry animals.

Harrison: Now a few weeks ago...

Joe: When animals get angry.

Harrison: Yeah, when animals get super angry.

Joe: Okay.

Harrison: A few weeks ago I mentioned a couple of these but it hasn't really let up in the last few weeks. Last week I talked about some UFOs. Now interestingly, just in the last week there has been even more video footage of UFOs, caught by news cameras. So reporters just stationed and you can find some of those articles and videos on SOTT. For the angry animals, this is really interesting. In the last few weeks there have been several reports of animals just basically going crazy and just going on a rampage. And the people that are victims of these attacks describe them as if "This animal was just manic. He was crazy." It was as if these animals just had this psychotic break.
I'll list a few of them. Well just in general, there have been more elephant attacks. A man got killed in Nepal. A woman got killed in Kenya. There was the fifth bear fatality in North America in New Jersey. Now I mentioned a few weeks ago that the average is usually two bear fatalities a year in North America. This was the fifth, and four alone were in September.

Joe: September was mad bear month in America.

Harrison: It was mad bear month. And on that same day as the fifth bear fatality, a group of chimpanzees kidnapped and killed a two-year-old boy in Uganda. And this has happened three times in the last year, where chimpanzees will just come up to a family or a kid, grab the kid, take him away and just kill him.

Joe: Wow. Where was that? Uganda?

Harrison: This was in Uganda, yeah. In Zimbabwe, a woman was sitting on a bench praying when she was attacked by a baboon. Also in Zimbabwe, five people were attacked by - this is one of the angry animals - by a "frenzied hyena". Now this hyena went from house to house attacking people. So it just came out of nowhere and started attacking people, left, decided to go to another house, attacked five people.

Joe: That's unusual behaviour for a hyena.

Harrison: In India, the same thing but this time with a wolf. It attacked five people and then went off and attacked a group of six other people, the same wolf. Boar attacks. In Japan a 'manic wild boar' just attacked a cameraman. So this was a news guy just filming and this boar just came out of nowhere and attacked him; another boar attack in India and another in Malaysia on an 81-year-old woman. Another angry animal, a manic fox went on this rampage at a school in Connecticut. He attacked multiple people, kids and teachers and then similar to the hyena, he roamed around the neighbourhood and attacked another group of people; so this same little fox. A jackal attacked two children outside their home Goa, India. In California a woman was sitting on a bench and like the baboon that attacked the woman praying on a bench in Zimbabwe, a bobcat attacked this woman in California. And California bobcat attacks are very rare. And so this guy just came out of nowhere and attacked this woman on a bench. In Florida there was the first panther attack on record since the 1800s. And two bear attacks.

Joe: My god!

Harrison: And then this was another interesting one. In Arizona two gardeners were doing work on this farm and one of them was killed and the other was severely injured by a swarm of 800,000 bees. They started up the lawnmower and this enormous swarm of bees came out from behind the house and just attacked these two guys. So of course both of them were stung hundreds of times. One of them didn't make it. And then another thing that's been going on: it seems all over the world there have been reports of pet dogs attacking their owners. Now I'd mentioned one a few weeks ago of the hunting dog who attacked the hunter and the hunter had to shoot the dog because he was attacking him. But this has been happening with household pets. And at first I thought what are the actual statistics? How many people actually get attacked by their dogs? It's probably kind of common. But if you look at just one area, there's this place called the Yarra Ranges in Australia I believe, somewhere in there, the Mayor Fiona McAllister said this early this year: "The council was at a loss to explain why so many dog attacks had occurred within the first few months of the year with 51 attacks by the end of February. But numbers have continued to climb with 179 dog attacks recorded by September." So these numbers for just this one tiny region are just skyrocketing. And from the number of reports that we see from all over the world, it's happening all over the place.

Joe: What about the bear attack in Siberia?

Harrison: What about that one?

Niall: The one where the bear gets revenge. I thought that was cool.

Harrison: Oh yeah. So there was this hunter and he got rushed or attacked by this bear and he shot the bear in its thigh and the bear ran away. So the hunter's like "Okay, yeah, nothing to worry about." He comes back to his car and finds the car just demolished. You look at a picture of this car; the windshield is gone, the hood is caved in, the front of the car, the engine is just dented in places. This bear had just...

Joe: Came back when he wasn't there.

Harrison: When he wasn't there.

Joe: And took revenge on his car.

Harrison: Took revenge on his car.

Joe: That's a pretty smart bear right there.

Niall: And have any of these animals been brought to justice?

Harrison: Not that I've read.

Niall: Excellent.

Joe: Well it's an example, as someone just said in the chat room, from a symbolic point of view it's predators attacking humans. Of course the symbolism of that is psychopaths being inter-species predators, attacking humans and reaching a fever pitch and it being mirrored in a symbolic way.

Niall: Hold on. You call them the predators and the humans, but surely we're higher up in the predator chain than they are. So it's actually our prey attacking...

Joe: It's the symbolism for psychopaths as inter-species predators attacking humans. Then you have predators...

Harrison: Predators in the wild.

Joe: the wild attacking humans.

Niall: Okay.

Harrison: Just one more thing. If we were all Romans we'd find this particularly interesting because in Roman societies they paid attention to all the weird stuff; a lot more than we do and they ascribed a certain importance to it. In China a few weeks ago, a six-legged calf was born in Shandong. Now that would have been seen as an omen, but I just thought it was interesting. You can see the picture of it. You go to SOTT and you can find all these articles.

Joe: A six-legged calf! Lucky it wasn't born somewhere in Israel, they'd have sacrificed it and declared...

Juliana: Speaking of symbology too, there's records supposedly for the black plague saying that it started or it's supposed to have started in Crimea, Iraq and Syria, after coming from Africa. And it's kind of interesting that these places are so...

Joe: Embroiled in...

Niall: After coming from Africa.

Juliana: First from Africa, yeah.

Niall: Oh, that's interesting. The "plague" broke out in Africa first.

Juliana: Nigeria, yeah. And then they said that the very first records, before it reached Europe, were in Crimea, Iraq, Syria, all those regions. And they don't know if it was related, but it was right before the peak where it came to Italy and it spread all around Europe, England, etc.

Niall: Is that the pattern? That the origins are actually central equatorial Africa?

Juliana: I don't know.

Niall: Because that would be so interesting because I was thinking could Ebola have been a plague. Well, it's breaking out in a place where they generally get the first hits, it's the warmest, the right conditions environmentally. And the plague I've only ever associated with Europe, but if its origins are the same...

Joe: Yeah, we could be seeing a rerun sometime soon.

Niall: Dun-dun!

Joe: At a supermarket near you.

Juliana: Dun-dun-dun-dun (opening notes of Beethoven's 5th).

Joe: Stay out of crowded places. Get in your bunker.

Niall: Stay at home. No, that's not what we're saying.

Joe: Didn't want to say that, no.

Niall: Well kind of.

Joe: Well as much as possible. Don't mix with those people out there (laughter). They're weird and dangerous.

Niall: Never mind that you'll catch a physical disease, you'll catch the mind virus.

Joe: Exactly.

Niall: They're walking zombies.

Joe: Alright folks. We're going to leave it there for this week. Thanks to Kent our caller for this week, and to our chatters and thank you to Harrison for being our host this week. It was a wonderful introduction. And to Chu for being here and livening up the conversation.
Julianna: And to McCain? You're not going to thank McCain?

Joe: And to John McCain.

Harrison: Comedic relief.

Joe: John McCain for his cameo role. (recorded applause) John McCain gets a round of applause. Good job John. Keep up the faux pas. John should just keep on telling us the truth, even though he doesn't mean to.

Niall: Idiot-in-chief!

Joe: Yes. Anyway, we will be back next week with another show. Until then have a good one everybody and stay safe and be cool.