Saturated Fat
The Health and Wellness show on the SOTT Radio Network covers topics of health, diet, science, homeopathy, wellness culture, and more.

In this show we'll be reviewing interesting health articles in the news. We'll also be covering the top ten medical myths. Enjoy!

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Jonathan: Welcome to the Health and Wellness show on SOTT Radio Network where we expose the lies and emphasise the truth about health in our modern world. My name is Jonathan and I'll be your host for today, joining me are other hosts in our virtual studio from all over the planet are Erykah, Doug, Tiffany and Gabriela. Welcome guys.

All: Hello

Jonathan: Alright on this show we are focussing on health and wellness and we have a lot of cumulative experience in different areas between all of our co-hosts. I guess I'll just get started like I said my names Jonathan, I have lost a lot of weight in the past by getting on to the paleo high fat diet and have gotten rid a lot of personal health issues just from that without using pharmaceuticals or anything else to aid in that process. I also love to cook and I spend a lot of time in the kitchen and over the last couple of years have learned quite a bit about cooking without grains without sugar and those kind of things and so that's kind of my own area. Do you guys want to go ahead and introduce yourselves? Doug, why don't you go first?

Doug: Go ahead Tiff.

Tiffany: Oh hi everybody, my name is Tiffany, I am a SOTT Editor and I love researching health. One of my favourite topics is vaccination and immunity, I like reading old books on that subject from the early 1900's. I also have about 15 years experience in the medical and social services field, so hello.

Doug: My names Doug, I am a Holistic Nutritionist by trade. Actually I started off in the cooking industry but stopped after a while because it's a very high stress industry, and it got to a point where I was wanting to know more about food and stuff. I was figuring how to make it taste good and look good but I knew you could go a lot deeper with it.

I started looking around for places I could educate myself on that and ended going to a school that had a list of nutrition programs. As great as that was it really wetted my appetite a little bit so I was researching a lot more and started getting involved with SOTT and with all the research we do on there for Health and Wellness and ended up coming 360 degrees from where I started out, as Jonathan was mentioning the paleo ketogenic diet so that's my focus there. I've got a number of articles up on SOTT too you can always take a little look there and see my rants

Erykah: My name is Erykah and I wanted to introduce myself, I'm a SOTT Editor as well and I have a history in cooking, working in the restaurant food industry. My technical training is actually in education. For the past 12 years I've helped my husband run an organic farm specialising in ways of growing organic produce, until we read The Vegetarian Myth a few years ago which changed our perspective and forced us to learn more about the paleo diet and healthful eating.

I've also published a few articles on SOTT, one relating to GMO's which is a very big issue in the Hawaiian Islands - that's the largest producer of GMO seeds. And then I recently wrote an article on vaccinations with some helpful information for parents. Having a background in education I've worked a lot with young children and parents and so I feel it's my duty to share information with people that are open to it. Currently I am a yoga instructor and spend my time researching health and wellness.

Gabriela: Well I guess I am the only one left, I'm Gabriela I live in Spain but I'm originally from Costa Rica, I'm also known as Dr Gaby. My background is medical doctorate and my ethnicity is oriental and Caucasian I always say that because I'm like a mixture of west and east and my medical practice is also like that.

I've been a heart surgeon. I did heart surgery in New England. I also do a lot of alternative medicine research since 2004. I've posted a series of articles on and my focus is everything health and wellness related from vaccinations, GMOs but also pandemics and the cholesterol myth is especially close to home. Currently I'm doing a general practice and I'm also an Eiriu Eolas instructor which is the program that we often talk about at It's at I am very happy to be here tonight.

Jonathan: It's great to have everybody together. Gaby could you repeat that, it cut out just slightly I want to make sure everybody hears it, the Eiriu Eolas website


Jonathan: Great. Alright we're going to start the show with a little bit of a review of this week in health and wellness, we have a couple of articles that we want to talk about, and talk about what's going on in the world and in the US as well.

We have one here, BPA in aluminium cans has been cleared again by the FDA, the Federal Food and Drug Administration has quietly reaffirmed its position that Americans are not being harmed by BPA a synthetic estrogen that is an essential ingredient of the epoxy coating that lines the insides of most food cans that are made in the USA.

It's generally accepted among professionals and non-professionals that have researched the topic that BPA is harmful to people that ingest it. The FDA along their standard MO has said once again that they think it's not harmful, the kicker being that it is a $126.3 billion industry per year so there's a lot of money at stake and if you just give it a cursory glance you can see why they would want to promote that because there's tons of money coming in. Their main argument is that these allegedly tiny amounts of BPA that are in the cans themselves are not harmful, but there's also a lot of data that shows that they are so I think once again the FDA has shown its true colours here.

We have a couple of other articles that we wanted to cover, Erykah do you want to talk briefly about the new oil from DuPont?

Erykah: Yes, so one of the shocking articles this week that I found was New GMO soybean cooking oil - Unleashed by DuPont. Basically it's gonna be used at a farm fair in Pennsylvania and they're touting the benefits of how it's this great, new, clean more healthful cooking oil. For those who don't know about DuPont, they're actually a chemical company and their motto developed in 1935 was "better living through chemistry" so that alone is a little bit scary, they changed their motto in 1982 and they dropped the "through chemistry" part. Part of why they were saying that was because they wanted the statement to be used for commentary on several topics to promote prescription or recreational drugs and to praise chemicals and plastics.

So as somebody who has extensively researched the GMO topic and has seen it take over the Hawaiian Islands essentially, because we produce all the seed for all the GMO crops in the United States, it's pretty frightening. In this article that's carried on SOTT they're basically trying to present this GMO soybean oil as this great new alternative. If you read the article what's really frightening is that they've said that this oil has already been used in restaurants for some time. So with all the people starting to gain information and knowledge about GMO, it seems like the use of it at this farm fair- getting people to come on down and try it is a way to tackle the bad press that GMOs are getting.

It's really quite scary and one of the things that I wanted to add that was in the article they say it's better than saturated fat, more healthful. They even say that its beneficial to farmers which could not be further from the truth and they just glaze over all the issues associated with this type of what I call mad science.

Gabriela: "It's better than saturated fat" basically it is official we all know that saturated fat is good for you and it's precisely because we changed saturated fat for oils like soybean oil, soy oil that we have a spike of heart disease and health catastrophes. And it's official, it's been published in mainstream journals there's no excuse anymore and they cannot really use that motto.

Doug: Yeah, I think they're just kind of running on momentum at this point. You see more and more scientific articles and journals coming out saying that "no we were wrong saturated fat is not bad for you in fact it's actually quite good for you" but it takes a while for the mainstream to pick that up and start running with it.

They're still so entrenched in the same paradigm that saturated fat is evil and I think that readers out there, the general public is really in a confused state because on the one hand they're following these dietary recommendations that have been around for the last 60 years or so, despite the fact that their health is failing. Then at the same time suddenly they're hearing little whispers of the fact of "oh wait saturated fat isn't as bad for you as you thought". It's like everybody seems very confused even when I talk to people like clients or just the general public, family members, nobody knows anything anymore they're like "I don't know what to eat I have no idea", so it really is a very confusing time

Tiffany: A big part of that is the variety of mixed messages that are put out there so it's really no surprise that people are confused. They go to their doctor and they go to their nutritionist and their doctor still dives into the whole saturated fat is evil and so does their nutritionist. So if they are presented with information that says that saturated fat is actually good for you and their doctor tells them differently, they're gonna listen to their doctor

Doug: Yeah, absolutely

Jonathan: I think one of the tricky things about this as well is that they do say it's not hydrogenated and so I think some people have become aware that hydrogenated oils are bad and so when they say it's not hydrogenated, then it must be okay. But besides the GMO issue we understand that soy contains high level of phytoestrogens which can be very damaging to the balance within everybody's body

Doug: Yeah, absolutely and that kind of ties back into the BPA issue too which is also an estrogen mimicker.

Gabriela: Yeah, which can be toxic even at very low levels. People don't understand we cannot use safety levels for an 80kg big adult when we have to protect children, babies. It's also the whole combination of chemicals it's only BPA.

Tiffany: We have to protect our young children and especially boys from growing breasts which BPA can do, phytoestrogens can do.

Erykah: Also the growing concern with this whole infertility issue that women are dealing with, and the connection that things like BPA and endocrine disruptors have. There's been a surge of issues with infertility problems that women are having.

Gabriela: That's true and also little girls like at 6 years old who are getting first menstruation as well it's like an endocrine disruptor.

Erykah: The soy oil, they're calling it Plenish, and their selling point is that it has 0 trans-fat which is that hydrogenated oil and 20% less saturated fat. Another bad cholesterol booster is what they're saying. And they're touting it at this Pennsylvania farm show because they're saying you can fry your mushrooms in it and actually taste the mushrooms and not the oil.

Doug: I thought that was so silly, how many oils out there are completely overwhelming the taste of the food that you're frying it in? I mean gimme a break.

Erykah: Well it's interesting because you know canola oil was a big thing in the health food industry, and you probably know this as well Doug, it's basically a rapeseed oil that has a very bad taste so they have to heavily process it and it's pretty much all GMO and people are moving away from that.

Tiffany: Isn't it a poison?

Erykah: Oh yeah I do believe so, it's a type of mustard seed so it has a very strong pungent taste and so they have to do all kinds of chemistry to change it.

Doug: Well it's not just the taste either, the rape seed is actually toxic. When they made canola they had to modify it and interbreed the seed and breed out the toxicity. But I know that Sally Fallon from the Western A Price Foundation has said that she doesn't trust it at all because how do you know they got rid of all that toxic element to it? It could very well still have some of that toxicity that might not affect you having it once but if it's your main cooking oil over time, that kind of stuff can build up.

Erykah: Oh yeah and at the end of the article they made a point to say hopefully in the future this Plenish will be able to be replace petroleum based lubricants in industrial and automated uses.

Doug: So you could cook your dinner and oil your bike chain.

Erykah: Yes and run your car.

Jonathan: This leads us into our next topic from the last week, where fast food companies are saying "hey we're not using an ingredient that's in yoga mats" and that's supposed to be a good thing that they even were using that in the first place
Doug you wanna go over that story a little bit? That the fast food companies are trying to transform their image regarding junk food.

Tiffany: Did we lose Doug?

Doug: Alright so the article basically starts off by saying:
"Fast food chains are losing market share to fast-casual restaurants like chipotle which offer organic ingredients". So they're creating healthier menu items to compete. It's basically saying there's this new style of restaurant, like Chipotle and Panera, that isn't quite fast food because they emphasize the use of fresh ingredients. The traditional fast food restaurants like Taco Bell, KFC, and McDonalds are losing market share. The article states: "McDonalds reported a 4.6% decline in US sales for November, capping 2 years of struggling in performance".
I think it's indicative of people becoming a little bit more health conscious about these sorts of things, realising that maybe they need to be a little bit more diligent with what they're actually putting into their body, at least to a certain extent. So of course these big corporations don't like to see themselves losing a dollar, so they're trying to change their image by promoting different things such as not using preservatives. They don't really mention anything about all the different flavour enhancers and things like that which are the real issue in my mind.

When it comes down to it, it's all about the image for them, they don't want to lose their market share so they are changing what they think people want, or will respond to. It's not like these people are suddenly caring. I think Subway or another similar restaurant said that they weren't going to be using meats from antibiotic fed animals anymore. You have to realise that they're not doing that because they actually care about these animals and their wellbeing, they're just doing it because they know that's a buzz word.

I think that the main issue is that they will use this as a means of drawing your attention away from what is wrong. I mean the entire model of fast food is wrong, there is nothing they can do to make it suddenly healthy. They will draw your attention to these little stupid things like "Oh we're not using this specific preservative anymore". Okay, well what about the 10 other ones you're using? Or what about other flavours? What about all this other stuff that's in that? It's the full model that is like a diseased food model.

Gabriela: Yeah, they cannot redeem themselves. People have to be very suspicious about the food industry in general not only fast food companies but the entire food industry, because basically the food industry is marketing. So if people are health conscious and they try to avoid toxic foods like gluten, they exploit that and they sell a really crappy product that is full of sugar and still contains gluten and the label says Gluten Free, and everybody buys it, and it's expensive!

Tiffany: Really, the best thing to do is to cook your own food. Know where your food comes from and don't depend on big companies to feed you.

Jonathan: Exactly.

Erykah: Chemical companies at that.

Doug: Its interesting though, this whole term 'green washing' has come up recently. Where they talk about how a corporation will put these buzz words out there as a means of marketing their product as being more green, being more healthy etc. And it's like what Gaby was talking about all the gluten free thing. You have what amounts to complete junk food but its gluten free, people see that buzz word and might not be totally educated on what gluten is, they just know that suddenly gluten is bad so maybe they should be avoiding it so they say "Oh look these chocolate sugar bomb things are gluten free" - well, okay, but that doesn't make it healthy

Jonathan: Yeah.

Gabriela: I have a perfect example here about how the food industry has its tentacles in mainstream medicine. For example: International Diabetes Federation is an organisation that aims to develop national policies for the prevention treatment and care of diabetes. Their commercial partners includes insulin manufacturers, Sanofi, Nordisk, these are all pharmaceutical companies and the processed food giant Nestle. I have a booklet to hand out to patients, they're made by these food companies and they basically promote sugar and everything that is wrong for diabetes.

Doug: Yeah, the promoted diabetes diet is deplorable.

Jonathan: Yeah, even just a few years ago a medical organisation who will remain nameless, was holding a fundraiser for diabetes research and at the fundraiser they were serving soda, Coke, Pepsi and hot dogs with white bread buns.

Tiffany: But that's OK as long as you have your insulin. If you take your insulin, you can eat whatever you want.

Doug: Well it's kind of like when KFC had that pink ribbon campaign- when you bought a bucket of their trans-fat loaded, gluten covered chicken, they would donate some of that money to the breast cancer fund. The irony there is just unbelievable.

Tiffany: Yeah, they all feed into each other. One of the products that they promote goes to fund big pharma and pads their pockets, it's all just so ridiculous.

Jonathan: On that note Tiffany do you want to talk a little bit about this other article regarding the state mandated chemotherapy

Tiffany: Yes, an egregious example of medical fascism if I've ever seen one, but this isn't the first. This particular article focuses on a 17 year old girl from Connecticut name Cassandra. She was diagnosed with Hodgkin's Lymphoma which is a blood cancer and she said before that if she ever came down with cancer she would always want to use natural treatments.

So the doctor is insisting that she take chemotherapy, at one point she actually ran away from home because she didn't want to submit to the chemotherapy and they got her back and eventually got into a physical altercation- a fight. She was defending herself from the doctors and they eventually subdued her and strapped her down to the table and they gave her a chemotherapy against her will. Even after that I think that she and her mother took this case to the supreme court and the supreme court ruled that the government has the power to force a minor to undergo chemotherapy treatment even if she doesn't want to.

Doug: That's disgusting

Tiffany: This 17 year old is basically being poisoned by the government and there's nothing that she can do about it

Jonathan: And they are utilising the police to enforce it

Tiffany: Yes, so I can only hope that she turns 18 really soon and she's able to get herself out of this situation because this is just terrible.

Jonathan: It is terrible.

Gabriela: This is just the latest example. Last year I remember the case of Justina Pelletier. She was taken to the emergency room, she already had the diagnosis of Mitochondrial Energy Disease which she had her own health care professional for and things were going great. She just went to the emergency room- the mainstream hospital in the US and they decided that the diagnoses was wrong and they basically labelled her with a psychiatric disease, and thought she was making her diagnosis up. Her parents lost custody of her and it was a long battle before they recovered her back. After being in psychiatric care for several months she was in a wheelchair, literally.

Tiffany: There's another couple of cases, there is a 10 year Amish girl from Ohio. Her family -- they had to go into hiding to avoid her having to get chemotherapy. Another 8 year old girl, the court ruled that she had to take chemotherapy. So the question becomes, since we're now at the point in this country of forcing people to take treatment against their will, is it gonna stop the chemotherapy or is it gonna go on to other treatments like forced vaccinations? There's already a lot of manipulation and propaganda and coercion to get people to take things like vaccines and chemotherapy, they say things like "if you don't take this, you're gonna be so sick you're gonna die". Oncologists will say "well if you don't take this chemotherapy you're gonna die immediately, you only have so many months to live, you have to take this". So is this gonna stop? Are we really going to roll into complete medical fascism for children and adults?

Gabriela: And it's not only the fascism it's also the medical treatment by themselves. They are toxic. Chemotherapy is toxic. Psychiatric drugs are knows to be the equivalent of a chemical lobotomy and they enforce it to children. The whole thing is just wrong it's beyond fascism.

Doug: Forced poisoning.

Jonathan: It's devious enough to work it into the food supply the way that they do, but to actually use the police and the CPS to forcibly take someone from their parents and inject them with a poison- it's amazing. Moving along in our show we're obviously not gonna cover all of these topics, we're just going to cover them briefly today and then we'll go more in-depth into each topic in future episodes. As the show proceeds we would like to go through this general list of the health myths and lies that have been propagated throughout our culture whether it be by the government, or the medical establishment.

We actually have a caller on the line who may apply perfectly to our first myth which is the idea that: low cholesterol and the low fat diet is supposed to be good for you. Our caller is struggling with an issue of ketoa-daptation doing the keto diet and has been wondering about eating too much protein.

Caller: Hi there this is Gen calling from North Carolina.

All: Hi Jen

Gen: Hi everyone, congratulations on the new show.

Jonathan: Thank you, what was your specific question Gen, you had something concerning the ketoa-daptation and protein?

Gen: Well I don't know if its necessarily a question, I just wanted to stress the fact that once you begin to go keto like I did, you should be really monitoring your fat intake versus the carb intake or protein intake. I found out that I was getting too much protein and not enough fat so I finally decided to get the ketone readers so I could actually see where my ketones were.

Because I was eating too much protein and not getting enough fat, it was still turning into carbs and I was putting on weight and I found that extremely annoying and there were more pains like what I thought were arthritic pain and I found after having monitored my ketones that I was probably getting too much protein. I altered my diet again and it was amazing how much weight I started to lose and how much better I started to feel.

So maybe you guys could expand on the whole idea of fat versus protein, even though you've cut out carbs you're still gonna put on the weight beacuse other people that I've talked to don't understand the idea that extra protein actually ends up turning into sugar.

Doug: Yeah it's a pretty common mistake actually I think, when people are converting themselves over to a ketogenic diet they drop their carbohydrates down and suddenly instead of replacing that with fat they start eating much more protein. The reason for that is that excess protein does actually convert into sugar. If you give your body more protein than it needs for it's basic functions it can't be stored so it gets converted to carbohydrates and then burned as sugar. So I think people are resisting actually making that switch over to being in a fat burning mode- where your body goes from primarily burning carbohydrates for energy to primarily burning fat for energy.

The transition can be difficult. Maybe it's a subconscious thing. Instead of actually just biting the bullet and going through with the higher fat consumption, they will just raise their protein and I made that mistake myself actually when I was first converting over. I was having symptoms of hyperglycaemia and all these different blood sugar swings when I'm supposed to be on this ketogenic diet and I didn't understand what was going on, and it wasn't until I actually dropped the protein that suddenly as you said Gen, the weight started coming off.

Gen: The pain started going away and I started getting more energy. Everybody is tailored differently but once you start to get it right for your individual self it's amazing

Tiffany: I also think that a lot of people when they first make the transition from a SAD diet to a paleo or a keto diet they still might harbour some suspicion that eating a lot of fat will make you fat. So even though they may have researched it before they've done it they still hold on to this belief that lots of fat makes you fat. I think they're probably a little bit afraid to up the fat in order to make themselves satisfied. So that's another thing.

Gabriela: If you think about it we have been brainwashed against fat since 1940's, 1950's. Especially after 1950, so it been decades and decades of being very afraid of fats especially saturated fats. Only very recently mainstream medicine has admitted that it was a mistake. We could be talking about this subject and trying to deprogram our brains for decades, that's why I think a lot of people are afraid of fat.
Basically to recap the ketogenic diet is a high fat diet and we have to remove this fear of saturated fat.

Gen: Well it's absolutely programmed into to us. I know that one of the kickers for me was reading The Vegetarian Myth and then Primal Body Primal Mind because I was a vegetarian for 30 years. Something had to change because I knew my brain wasn't working, I could feel it. Another one was reading Dr. Dwight Lundell's book, he's a former heart surgeon, and he came out after doing over 5000 bypass surgeries and said that the whole high fat issue was rubbish basically.

You guys I'm gonna go ahead and get off but I wanted to make sure that that topic was covered because I know that's a big issue with people that are trying to make the transition.

Doug: Yeah definitely.

Jonathan: Alright well thanks for your call Gen. We appreciate it.

Gen: Yeah, no problem. Thanks guys.

All: Goodbye.

Jonathan: Well as we know knowledge protects in these areas and doing your own research and really making sure that you're covering all the bases, and really looking deeply into it is very important and not just taking peoples word for it. You need to dig into the primary sources. Read the material and find out why these things are true.

Doug you were talking about the gluten free diet and how everyone thinks it healthy, but they're only cutting out gluten they're still eating a lot of sugar and other things. Maybe for our listeners who might not be familiar with the terms paleo and keto, we can briefly go over what those are and what the differences are when somebody is changing their diet from a paleo to ketogenic. With your nutritional background I'm sure that you have worked on this with some people.

Doug: Yeah oh definitely. Well essentially a paleo diet is a diet that mimics the diet of our ancestors predating agriculture, so it doesn't involve any of the products of agriculture, all the mass mono-cropping, your wheat's your grains your legumes all those sorts of things, it's more of a hunter gatherer diet. The reasoning behind that is that most of the chronic disease that we see today only came up post-agriculture so the idea being we've spent millions of years evolving eating essentially the same diet, it's a hunter gatherer diet we've been eating all along, and then all of a sudden, 10,000 years ago our diet drastically changed and that's when we see all these chronic diseases starting to show up, we actually became shorter, started having dental problems. Our hunter gatherer ancestors never had problems with their wisdom teeth or crooked teeth, we do.

A paleo diet is essentially just that, one that kind of rejects all these modern foods, Neolithic foods as they're called, in favour of hunter gatherer diet. Somebody on a paleo diet would avoid all grains so that includes breads, pastas all that sort of stuff, anything like legumes, soy in particular, modern vegetable oils. If you think about what a hunter gatherer would eat.

I get this argument sometimes from people where they're like "well if a hunter gatherer came across wheat they might eat it" and it's like yes they might of, but they certainly wouldn't gather enough to bake bread every day to have for 3 meals a day, there's no way. Maybe a hunter gatherer encountering an ancient form of wheat could eat it once and not have an issue with it but everyday, 3 meals a day obviously we're not looking at the same thing there.

Jonathan: And the wheat has been altered now so that it contains a much higher level of gluten than it used to, and opiates and other things that are making people addicted.

Doug: Right yeah absolutely. Yeah there's all kinds of problems, soy as well, soy is in absolutely everything and it's been genetically modified, sprayed with this and that. It doesn't even resemble something that a hunter gatherer would have come across on his travels back in the day. What a paleo diet looks like is eating meat and vegetables, that's basically it and it sounds boring or simplistic but there's actually a lot you could do on a paleo diet. I know, Jonathan, you try a lot of recipes and come up with different creations, so you would know that there is so much wiggle room there for somebody to do some pretty interesting things.

Jonathan: There really is. I struggled for a long time with the absence of what I thought was a good taste until I corrected what I was eating and realised you really can make delicious things in the kitchen that are actually good for you and you don't have to stack tombstone pizzas on top of each other.

Erykah: Well it's also good to have a support network, like you were saying it's important to have information and references, but also if you're living with other people or spouses to support each other to stay on it. There's so much pressure when you go out, people start saying "well you can't eat this, you can't eat that, what do you eat?" or "how do you make food taste good?", and so it's really great to have people that you can talk to and exchange ideas and recipes with, and get people interested and at least to be open minded about it

Gabriela: Yeah, also when you go out and you walk in the streets, every block you see advertising for a food company or fast food restaurant, I usually call these stores drug dealers because basically gluten has opioid activity. There's people that sell bread on every corner. There's basically a drug dealer on the corner of every street!

Erykah: And that's the question that always comes up, well what do you eat? Food!

Gabriela: Real food!

Erykah: I was just gonna say it's this idea of having a support network, me and my husband are both on the same diet and we support each other and I make a point of not buying foods foods that aren't part of the diet, just having somebody that you can cook with or exchange ideas with. So again that support network is really important and being able to address those questions that come up like Gen (caller) shared "oh am i doing this right? I don't feel right, something feels off" and having the knowledge to deal with that. In social situations my husband just explains that he can't eat that food because he's diabetic and it's a health concern, usually people will move away from trying to press you if you just say that you have a medical condition.

Doug: Another thing, we were talking about the gluten free products and things like that and another reason the social network is important I think is because there is so much misinformation out there and all this different marketing for example 'gluten free' is huge, there's all these different 'gluten free' products. I've actually seen a lot of paleo marketed stuff lately where it's some kind of snack bar called a paleo bar, and I looked at the ingredients and its loaded with sugar and by no stretch of the imagination is this paleo but because there's no official definition of paleo, anybody could slap the word paleo on their product.

So I think that a social network is important because you can voice these concerns like whether the paleo bar is really paleo. And then you'll have people come back and say absolutely not, don't eat that.

Tiffany: Well another good thing about the network is that you can share recipes; you can get together and cook. The really surprising thing is that so many people do not know how to cook, they don't know how to prepare their own food and feed themselves, because they're used to eating fast foods. They're used to buying pre-packaged meals, microwavable meals and now when they're faced with changing their diet even though they really really want to they just don't how to cook. They're afraid to get into the kitchen. So part of having a network is being able to share recipes and share ideas. Don't be afraid to get in the kitchen, you might burn some things or mess up dinner but keep trying.

Jonathan: It is staggering, I had a friend who went to the grocery store to get a whole chicken, fortunately they do carry these good antibiotic hormone free chickens in our area, but the person at the checkout counter said "what do you do with this? How do you do this?" And I was like; "just throw it in the oven you know". But there's an astounding lack of understanding about how to cook anything at home.

Erykah: Yeah and it's not really taught to people, there's not this idea of how grandma use to save all the bacon grease and fry everything in bacon grease. People just aren't taught now to be more diverse and to save the oil that you cook your bacon in and to use it to fry whatever you're eating. It's like horrifying to people, they say thing like "what you save your bacon grease its sits in that jar on the counter for 2 months and nothing happens to it?"

Doug: Well actually when my Mum cooks bacon she puts it onto paper towel and pats it dry so there's no bacon grease left on, "no you can't have any of that".

Gabriela: It's the best part.

Jonathan: Let's move through our list, there was one thing I wanted to address, we were talking about these terms and how people recognize the word paleo you have your paleo bar that's full of sugar, it's not really accurate, but people might also have heard this term keto or ketogenic and now to my understanding, commonly people that are on the 'paleo diet' are also eating things like sweet potatoes and things that have carbohydrates in them, maybe not a lot but they are still eating that and the ketogenic diet is different from that in the sense that you're cutting your carbs close to zero, if not all the way down to zero.

Gabriela with your medical experience could you tell us why you would want to eliminate carbs entirely from your diet?

Gabriela: Yes I think the biggest difference between paleo and keto diet is that the paleo diet includes a lot of fruit also sometimes tubers. So people on the paleo diet do eat fruits and as far as research goes we already know that one fruit per day can be a little bit too much already it can pre-dispose you for Alzheimer's disease. It's just basically sugar has caramelising effects on the body. It ages you, it literally ages you. That's the thing with the paleo diet it might be too much sugar for some people.

The ketogenic diet basically a high fat diet like we spoke and we went through with Gen (caller) and its moderately restricted in protein because if you overeat protein, it ends up converting to sugar in your body and it's the same effect as having too much sugar. As you said it can be even less than 50g of carbohydrates per day that can put you in ketogenic metabolism which is basically where your body uses fatty products as energy sources, the energy comes from ketones, that's why it's called ketogenic diet because it is entirely the physiological state.

The important thing to remember is that your body and your brain can live with zero amount of carbohydrate intake. If you eat literally no sugar or carbohydrates, your brain will use ketones instead. So then they have a minimal necessary amount carbohydrate to survive, it's amazing!

The level to stay in the fat burning mode when your body uses ketones depends on each individual that's why people can get a little machine that measures ketone levels in your blood, pretty much like people with diabetes use for prick test and you can measure ketone levels. For some they will be able to stay on a ketogenic metabolism while consuming between 20 to 40g of carbohydrates per day, and some people feel like they need to go down to zero. It's dependent upon every person, their diseases, their metabolism their environment, it depends on a lot of issues as well. But yes it's the ideal guide it's rejuvenating diet, ketones it's not only an energy surge but it also has an anti-inflammatory effect in your body, that's why it's used in mainstream medicine to treat epilepsy, it rewires your brain. Yes that's pretty much the research we hope to break down on the show.

Jonathan: Yeah it's a fascinating topic, let's go through our list a little bit more here and we'll give people an idea of some of the other topics we're gonna be talking about. We have here one of the other health myths is that fluoride is good for dental health when in fact I believe the case is exactly the opposite, is that not true?

Tiffany: That is true, it can cause dental fluorosis which is where your teeth become discoloured and have little spots on them from having too much fluoride. So no fluoride is not good for your teeth nor is it good for your brain or your pineal gland either.

Doug: Or you bones.

Tiffany: Yeah

Erykah: And it's a chemical by product of fertiliser production.

Doug: Well that is the whole reason that it's in our water supply, this whole thing about it helping with your dental health is just a ruse. Really this is just a way for these fertiliser companies to get rid of a waste product that is very expensive for them to get rid of otherwise. So instead of actually having to pay that to get of their dangerous by product, they actually sell it at a profit to these municipalities to put into their drinking water. It's pretty disgusting.

Tiffany: Doug are you saying we're human garbage cans?

Doug: If you're drinking tap water, yep

Tiffany: I thought they use to use fluoride in the water in Nazi concentration camps because it kept the people docile and subservient and lowers IQ?

Doug: I still have yet to find out if that's true, I looked into that a while ago and it's really just one of those things that spreads around on the internet and I don't know how much truth is to it. I'd be curious to know.

Erykah: I don't know how much truth there is to it either, but I do know that the US military bases have fluoridated water whereas other municipal water sources, at least on the island that we're on does not have fluoridation, so there could be something to that.

Doug: Well it's in pharmaceutical drugs too. What's the major antidepressant?

All: Prozac?

Doug: Yeah, that's like fluoride. There you go right there.

Tiffany: Well they put it in the water, we already established that we're human garbage cans but it's in the toothpaste too so we're getting double the fluoride?

All: Yeah.

Erykah: And when you're a child you get liquid fluoride drop every time you take you take your kids to the dentist, they wanna give them this liquid fluoride drop in addition to it being in the water and the toothpaste

Doug: I mean the fact of the matter is, it's not a necessary mineral for human health or any mammal health as far as I know, nobody actually needs it. So what it essentially is a medication right? So what they're doing is putting medication into the water and whenever you put medication into the water in that kind of situation you have no way of metering out the dose to anybody right? So a person who is brushing with fluoridated toothpaste, drinking tap water, cooking other food in tap water, eating meat that animals that were drinking tap water etc etc its building up and there's absolutely no way to determine how much any individual is actually getting. Even leaving aside the idea that it actually has some sort of harmful effect, it's a medication that they're giving to people with absolutely no way of determining how much they're getting

Jonathan: Yeah its quite something, I'm fortunate to live in an area where our local water company doesn't fluoridate the water but that doesn't mean that it doesn't come from everywhere else. I also don't use toothpaste that has fluoride in it so we're trying to be very careful about that, but you really have to watch out where everything is coming from into your body and what its coming into contact with, you really have to keep an eye out for that. Now along the lines of our list here of topics, just to give people ideas of what we're going to talk about as the show moves forward. We have vaccines and I'm sure we're gonna stir up a little hornets nest with this one because it is such a ...

Tiffany: Yeah that's a show in itself.

Jonathan: It is, it really is and it's such a sacred cow for some people. I've actually talked to some people who were like "If you don't get your child vaccinated they will make everybody else sick". When in truth it's the vaccines that are spreading these immunodeficiencies. I wonder if you guys can cover that a little bit?

Erykah: I'll take a stab at it

Jonathan: Alright

Erykah: Well a couple of months ago I wrote a little informational article on SOTT just for parents who have concerns you know, again it's a choice and when people choose to look into it, it can be very overwhelming information and freak people out and they get paralysed so to speak. In my own personal experience -- because I do have 2 children that are grown -- when I originally said no to vaccines I didn't really know why I just knew something was fishy about the whole thing and luckily I live in a community where most of the children that my children were friends with were not vaccinated. So there wasn't this issue of "your kid can't play with my kid" kind of thing.

As I started to read more about it and see what was happening to kids that were getting vaccinated its really freaked me out to be honest with you and I just started compiling an informational list. And in the last 5 years I've had a lot of friends who have had kids and they call me and say "what do I do, my doctors telling me that I have to do this". And it's a big state supported program where you get calls and leaflets and all this pressure to comply and you have to sign a waiver every time you give a child a vaccination that if something negative happens that you're not gonna sue the company or the doctor. So that was a big red flag for me.

I will say, having not had my children vaccinated, they've never really been sick at all. I mean, they've had the chicken pox, cold or a flu once or twice, but for the most part they have very strong immune systems.

I think children are now given 56 shots between 0 and 5 years old, and what they're doing is they're combining shots like the hepatitis influenza B kind of thing and the adjuncts? It's like a chemical overload for the body and some children can process it better than others and it's just really frightening.

For me anything that the government gives away for free and is pushing like that is questionable because it's just like I said, they're saying "you gotta come, you gotta come" and then when you say "well no I'm taking some time to decide" then it becomes this heavy pressure. They haven't involved the Child Protective Services yet but what I advise parents is just to say it's a religious choice and usually the doctor will respect that.
It's just scary and then the flu vaccine and I'm sure Tiffany has shared that already, you see the signs everywhere and it's in every grocery store, even in the schools here they're giving the one up the nose so if my daughter was in high school 2 years ago and they said, "well your daughter needs a vaccine" and she said that she wasn't vaccinated they could say "well oh you can get the nasal spray" and then "Mum what shall I say?" I say no, you don't take it, just say no thank you thank you but no thank you it'll just be an extra dose for somebody else whatever and it's the pushing of it is really concerning

Tiffany: Yeah, when we were growing up my mother was a little suspicious because we were poor and there were all these community clinics or community centres and people would be lined up to get their kids vaccinated, so that made her suspicious. So thank you mum for not having me vaccinated. She took us to the doctor and the doctor faked the test. So thank you Dr. Swan for faking. The false argument that if you don't get your kids vaccinated then you gonna make everybody else sick. But if vaccines are so great and if they protect, why would your kid get sick? That's why they get vaccinated?!

Erykah: Well and it's becoming such a hot topic too, to share a random little synchronicity that I had within a few days of publishing that article, I went to the bank to have a notary sign the vaccination exemption form for my daughters school and the bank manager said to me "oh i know this is not really appropriate but I'm wondering why your child is not vaccinated?" and I almost fell out of the chair like wow, does he really want to know or am I on camera here? Is there something going on? And I just shared it's not part of my religion and he said "Oh I really think it's important and I'm not gonna try and convince you otherwise but I'm just curious what you're stance is on it." Had it been in a different situation I might have just whipped out the article and been like here you go read for yourself.

Jonathan: Erykah when you mentioned chicken pox and you said that your kids had gotten chicken pox and I could see people being like "well your kids got chicken pox so they should have been vaccinated." I also got chicken pox when I was young and actually just this last year had an encounter with shingles which is awful but it wasn't as bad as it could have been. And in my research into it I read voraciously everyday, all day on this topic trying to learn as much as I could and I discovered that people who have been vaccinated for chicken pox when they were young actually get cases of shingles that are twice as bad as people who weren't vaccinated when they're older and so it's like where's the disparity there? I mean why would you want to make that a possibility for your child?

Erykah: Not to mention the whole psychological trauma of getting a shot, of the child going in and getting this needle and then they may have a fever the next few days. Again all those combinations together, when I was young we weren't getting nearly as many vaccinations but it was one shot at one time it wasn't all these combinations of shots and I think that's a very serious concern

Gabriela: One of the main problems of being a kid.

Jonathan: Tiffany what were you gonna say?

Tiffany: Oh I was just gonna say that Erykah mentioned that they give out free vaccines, well technically they're free because you don't have to pay up front but really they're tax payer funded. So, we're actually paying to be poisoned by big pharma even though we don't pay at the site of delivery and we actually are paying for them to deliver poison into us. Another article that I think I put it up on SOTT the other day, there's a special IRS rule that says vaccine companies can be paid by the government for vaccines, but they don't actually have to produce those vaccines or deliver those vaccines. They just get the money in the hopes they can build up their stock so when the vaccine is needed they can deliver. So they're getting over big time.

Jonathan: Well let's clarify for people, they might say what do you mean poisons in vaccines? Aren't vaccines healthful and we're kind of talking down vaccines but can we cover briefly why they're poisonous? I understand there's a number of additives including mercury which obviously is not good to put into your veins

Tiffany: Yeah, there's mercury. There's squalene. There's formaldehyde. Thimerosol and mercury are pretty much the same things. Polysorbate 80, which has been linked to spontaneous abortions and infertility. There's gonna be an article on SOTT that I just wrote the other day, so it should be coming up soon but it actually talks about how vaccines are manufactured and how they grow the virus that they use for vaccines. I don't wanna give too much of it away but it's a sick bag alert because people I'm sure people have heard they grow vaccines in chicken eggs and we all eat chickens we all eat eggs and chicken and it doesn't sound that bad but if you consider some vaccines are grown in monkey kidney cells or caterpillar ovaries. People send in clinical samples like sputum or nasal aspirants. They isolate what they think is a virus from that and they come up with the flu vaccines every year.

Now they're considering actually using cancerous tumour cells to grow vaccine virus so it's pretty disgusting aside from all the additives. The whole production is just nastiness. I don't know any other way to describe it they're just shooting pus into us and they've been doing it for over a 100 years and I don't think that they'll ever stop. They're crazy.

Gabriela: Just to give an example, the vaccine adverse event reporting system for the US alone has registered like 5 deaths per month just for the HPV vaccine since 2006. And actually there has been a spike in the database lately and nobody knows why for sure, maybe people are becoming more aware about all vaccination trials and they finally make the link about how their health deteriorated after this vaccine.

Jonathan: Well we understand now that this could definitely branch off into an entire show or even a series of shows just covering vaccines. When we were talking about this episode today, Erykah you had mentioned that you were really eager to cover the topic of GMO's, that sounded like you had some pretty specific things that you wanted to talk about, would you mind going over that for a few minutes?

Erykah: Not at all, well yeah this new GMO soy bean oil kind of started it off. With the growing awareness of it as we're sharing in our conversation before the show, a lot of people now are kind of clued into it they at least know what it is. When my husband and I started doing informational talks in our community about GMO's, everyone thought we were talking about general motors, the car? There was really no connection. We originally started lecturing just on a farm level about the contamination of genetically modified organisms in the soil and how they have this whole thing with the seeds spreading and contaminating. Our focus was that once that genetically modified organism is in the soil, it mutates and it spreads and now it's very interesting that its gained a lot of support. Here in Hawaii I'm sure everyone's heard about the new moratorium in Maui county to stop planning new GMO crops. It doesn't mean there aren't crops in production right now.

What's happening is aside from the GMO's is all the toxic herbicides and pesticides that are used on those plants and so where my thinking has been going recently is this whole idea of labelling and everybody wants a label and they want to know if their food has it in it. I don't think they're gonna go away, I think that the biotech companies have a lot of power especially in a state like ours which is very agriculture based, these biotech's companies provide jobs and so there's support for in that area. My concern is this glyphosate and atrazine, all these chemicals that people are getting exposed to even if they're not eating GMO foods. So those pesticides running off into the water going into the water table make it a toxic overload. They are endocrine disruptors like BPA.

There's just so much information out there sometimes I just feel like I need to walk outside and take a breath of fresh air cause it's just seems so dire on so many levels, and that's why I found this GMO soy bean cooking oil article interesting because they really are trying to do perception management. Now that people know that GMO's are a little bit of wacky mad science and doctors are coming out and saying it gets into the gut bacteria and they you're gut bacteria starts producing insecticides which can't really be good at all and there's just so much there and it doesn't seem to be going away any time soon. Does anybody else wanna add what they've seen? I mean I know America's the big GMO pusher and I know that Europe and stuff have more strict controls on it.

Gabriela: What I find absolutely scary is that GMOs in certain animals like pigs GMOs promote cannibalistic, antisocial behaviours, they're not allowed to research that in humans of course but they do have an effect on humans.

Erykah: And that's the concern, they've only been on the markets since 1996 and they don't do human studies like you share but they have been doing a lot of animal studies and it's kind of like the vaccines- I can't say exactly what's wrong with it but everything about it just seems really frightening and no thank you.

Jonathan: I mean that's my main concern is, I'm not a scientist, a medical doctor or anything like that so I have to be honest and say that I don't really know, but that's also what scares me about is that we don't know what's happening here, we don't know if 10 to 15 years down the line this is gonna turn into really insane mutations or things like that and it definitely needs a lot more study. My question is why would you even wanna go there if you can stay away from it and you know that these certain foods that you can get are healthy and you can get organic foods and better food. Why would you even want to try? It's like coming up with an excuse to eat at McDonalds because it tastes good.

Tiffany: Sometimes that's good enough for people. I mean, I've heard a lot of people say "well I gotta die of something" or "I can never give up my bread" or "i could never give up this or that". And there's that saying if you argue for your limitations you get to keep them. There's always gonna be people who are like that and I think the only thing we can do is just put the word out and if people pick up on it and they change their beliefs and change their habits then I think that's the best we can hope for.

Doug: The other thing too is that it does require effort but because no GMOs are labelled, actually figuring out what could potentially have GMOs in it and what wouldn't, can be a challenge, it can be a lot of work. You have to actually figure it out, turn the box over and start reading ingredients labels and really look into where the potential dangers are. It takes effort, so I think that that's the big stumbling block for a lot of people, it's like "well I don't wanna bother".

Erykah: I agree completely. That's part of the whole learning process with our work starting with the soil and basically having farmers our audience, to then people it going into the health industry and then of course the health food market picks up on it and they claim that everything in their store is GMO free and you go and you start and looking at the labels and you see canola oil in there and you know just from your research that almost all canola oil is genetically modified. So it becomes this really hard road to navigate, and with the Maui Moratorium, it's now in supreme court, at least people are paying attention. I know with Maui county the biggest part of it is that these products, the GMO crops, the stuff that's getting into the water is getting into the soil its blowing on schools and kids are getting sick. So parents are concerned and out of concern they're starting to say "well wait a minute I don't want my kid to be a science experiment". A lot of strange respiratory disorders, I'm sure Gaby and Doug and Tiffany as well can comment on all these issues like Crohns disease and digestive disorders with the intestinal system, there's seems to be a correlation there

Tiffany: Yeah, Jonathan you had mentioned before you were wondering if we're going to see some bizarre mutations in the future, I think we're seeing that now: all the diseases, the respiratory diseases, all the cancers just going through the roof. I mean I think we're in the midst of it right now.

Gabriela: The gut lining changes in animals like pigs, it's the same. You mentioned Crohns disease in humans so just wonder you know.

Jonathan: Well we certainly have a lot of things that we can go over. I think we're approaching the end of our time here and we have many potential future shows to go over these topics in much more detail and we're hoping to bring you much more data of primary sources, information and also avenues that you as a listener can look into to learn more about this kind of thing. I'd like to end with a little recipe if everybody's cool with that?

All: Yeah

Jonathan: We'll call it a paleo / keto beef stroganoff and that might sound counterintuitive because stroganoff is originally a mid-19th century Russian dish that was lightly floured strips of beef that were fried and then cook in cream so that doesn't sound like something you'd wanna try, but part of my own process in coming into the paleo and then the keto diet was learning how to make dishes that were kind of close to what I really liked in the past and see if I could do that. So this is a version of stroganoff that tastes actually pretty close and I would vouch for it tasting like stroganoff so if listeners want to get out their pen and paper and I'll just quickly go through the ingredients here.

We have 1/2 pound of butter or ghee depending on what you use. If you're using butter I highly recommend Kerry's Gold grass fed butter or some other grass fed butter. Please don't use crystal farms or some other mass produced butter because that can contain more toxins. 1lb of bacon, 3lbs of sirloin or some other tender cut of beef, 1 cup of chopped green onion or shallots or leeks whichever you prefer. Personally, I kind of like leeks but they need to be cooked down thoroughly. 2 teaspoons of Knox gelatine. You can get that at pretty much any store. It's very cheap look for the little white box with an orange label on it. It's called Knox gelatine. 2 teaspoons of salt. Preferably pink salt or sea salt. Don't use table salt because they bleach it and you never know what's in there. 1 teaspoon of fresh ground black pepper, 1 quarter teaspoon of nutmeg, 1 teaspoon or tarragon, 1 and half cups of coconut milk. Personally I like Thai kitchen coconut milk. It does come in an organic version. It comes in a can, unfortunately. If you can find not in a can, go for that. 1 quarter cup of water, 1 teaspoon of mustard powder, 1 teaspoon of turmeric, 1 teaspoon of ginger powder, 4 garlic cloves, half teaspoon of rosemary, 1 quarter teaspoon each of thyme, cardamom and ground coriander.
So what you wanna do is take those ingredients, take your spices off to the side mix them together in a mortar and pestle. Cut the beef and the bacon into small chunks. Set that aside. Cut your onions and shallots or whatever you're using into other chunks and set those aside. Then you want to heat up the coconut milk and the butter together so that they melt together and then whisk in the gelatine and keep it below boiling just at a simmer so that you don't burn the pan. You don't wanna damage the structures of those fats.

So keep it below boiling. Whisk in the gelatine. Then whisk in your spices and let it all mix in together and then you can cook the beef and the bacon together in a separate pan and then you also want to boil either the onions or shallots or leeks or whatever you're using for the greens. Make sure to boil those so that you can break them down make them a little bit more tender. Strain that out and then just mix everything together and you have your stroganoff mixture.

Traditionally stroganoff is served with something carby like noodles or rice or something like that, but you really want to avoid that heavy load especially with this as it's a really fatty dish and I think that you'll find that when you eat this mixture just by itself kind of as a stew its very tasty and its quite filling because you're getting a lot of good fats in there and you're getting that bacon and beef as well.

Gabriela: That sounds delicious!

Erykah: Very much so

Jonathan: So for those of our listeners who are in the chat room, I'm gonna paste that into our chat so that they can copy it if they would like to. So unless you guys have anything to add, I think we can call that our show for the day and we can look forward to covering these topics in more detail later on?

Gabriela: One by one and many more!

Jonathan: Exactly. Unfortunately we don't have a specific outro music for our show today so there's not a cue to tell you to turn the radio off so I think we'll just we'll say good bye and we'll let everybody get back to their evenings wherever they might be

All: Goodbye

Jonathan: Thanks everybody. You've been listening to the Health and Wellness show from the SOTT talk radio network; please tune in next Monday at 6pm eastern, thanks very much