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In our latest podcast, we discuss one of the more interesting cases of "Spirit Release Therapy" (SRT) from the early days of the Cassiopaean Experiment with Laura Knight-Jadczyk. Laura describes a real-life exorcism she conducted during her years as a hypontherapist, complete with audio clips from the session itself. This is our more most hair-raising podcast yet! (Part 1 of 2)

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Intro: No one would have believed in the beginning of the 21st century that this world was to be taken over by psychopathic liars and murderers. Not many had heard of the word "ponerology" or "pathocracy". Man's vanity, ignorance, greed and selfishness had led him to the end of days - the end of days that had been carefully and secretly planned a long time ago. Some, who did have some idea that all was not as it should be, scrambled frantically for truthful information in cyberspace on the world wide web of the Internet. But, alas, the powers that be had known in advance that this would happen, and had beforehand set up sites that would trap these truth-seekers - sites full of disinformation, little bits of truth as bait on the outside, but containing nothing but lies, manipulation and filth within. But one news-site did shine a light brightly in those dark days:

This is Radio Free Signs of the Times, broadcasting into the heart of occupied America.

Henry See: Welcome to this week's Signs of the Times podcast, and we have a rather special show for you tonight. We've just been sitting around with Laura once again, listening to a tape that she made of an exorcism that she did quite a few number of years ago - and we're slightly freaked out by the whole thing.

Joe Quinn: Although it wasn't exactly an exorcism, I suppose. Or at least Laura didn't think it was going to turn into an exorcism.

HENRY: No, no.

JOE: She thought it was just common or garden spirit release therapy, which turned into something a little more than that, let's say.

HENRY: There was no pea soup involved.

JOE: So how do you describe it, Laura?

Laura Knight-Jadczyk: How would I describe it? Well ...

JOE: A wake-up call?

LAURA: Well, let me say that, you know, it took us a while to find the tapes, because I have all of these tapes in fire-proof boxes - you know, these kinds of safes that you buy at Sam's Club, you know, where you keep all your valuables. Well, I keep all my tapes in fire-proof boxes.

JOE: But that's not necessarily because you're expecting fire. It's more in line with, if anybody's ever seen the movie Ghostbusters, they had a containment apparatus - so it's something along those lines, right?

LAURA: No - no, no, no, no, no, no, no! No, it's just that, you know, much - most of my life is recorded on these hundreds and hundreds of tapes, either in terms of doing spirit release, or doing hypnotherapy of other types, or, you know, past life regression, and of course the years and years of tapes of the Cassiopaean sessions. So for me they're like my life, you know; if anyone ever questions me on any one of these, on any of the transcripts, you know, if they have good reason to, and they can afford the ticket to fly over and listen to it, I'll certainly let them listen to the original tape. But in any event I have these tapes, and we had to go digging around looking for the one specific that I wanted to share with the listeners, because it's pretty important, and ...

HENRY: It's a bit of a metaphor for what actually happens - digging around.

LAURA: Digging - yeah! So, well, anyway, I suppose I have to set the scene for this particular tape excerpt that I am going to play for the audience tonight. And I've mentioned it once or twice. It's actually the last session I ever did with what I would call a stranger that, you know, was referred to me, you know, that just kind of came in off the street - somebody that I didn't know well over a period of time. I did of course have several interviews with this individual before we went to the stage of doing the hypnotherapy session, so it wasn't as though I wasn't, you know, fully aware of his situation as far as he knew it, and as far as he was able to tell me. But there were clearly things he didn't know, or didn't want to tell, or was unable to tell, which emerged during the course of this particular session, which caused me, literally, to retire. It took me six months to get over it.

Anyway, this was a young man who came to me because he had what he described as problems with self-esteem. Now the reason he felt that he had problems with self-esteem were because he was involved with a young woman. They were not married, but they did have a child together, and they lived together off and on. And part of the time he was with her, and part of the time he was with his family, with his parents. Now the situation was that he had met her and been very attracted to her, and they had gotten together, and she was pregnant and had a baby; he doesn't know whether the baby was his or not. During the course of their relationship, she became very interested in a certain fundamentalist religion. She started going to church, and the reason she started going to church was because she felt that her life was falling apart because she was spending too much time at bars, and too much time having promiscuous, gratuitous sex with, you know, multiple partners. And this, of course, was causing problems in their relationship. Now of course, right away you're going to ask, you know, "Why is this guy with a girl who goes to bars and has gratuitous, promiscuous sex with multiple partners, and why is he staying with her?" Well, obviously, he has a self-esteem problem, is all I can ... !

So, because of the fact that he was going to leave her, and she would no longer have any support, she became aware of the fact that she needed to do something to change her life, and she decided that religion was going to be the answer. So she started going to church. She went to a local Pentecostal-type fundamentalist church that had grown so large it actually had bought an old shopping-centre to hold services in. And, I mean, you know, one of these really old 1960's-type supermarket buildings that they had renovated into what they called a Salvation Hall or whatever. And they had a huge billboard outside on the highway that says, "Come in and meet God." I'm not joking. And so she started going to this church, and she knew that she had these problems, so she became rather close to several of the elders of the church, or the pastor, the pastor's wife, or some of the other ladies that were married to the elders, you know, and telling them about her problems, that she really needed help, that she really had problems.

So what happened was, was on one particular service they all decided that it was going to be her turn to get prayed for, because she was really asking it, and they were all going to lay hands on her and pray for her and she was going to receive the saving grace of Jesus, or whatever, and everything was going to change in her life, and be fine. Well, they all gathered around her and began to pray, and she was standing there with her eyes closed and she began to pray, and everybody's praying, and they've all got their hands on her, and they're praying, and the Hallelujahs are flying, and the, you know, the "Praise Jesus", and the various things that go on at that sort of meeting and activity. And, from what I understand, the next thing that anyone knew was that she had taken a sharpened pencil out of the jacket pocket of one of the gentlemen who was praying for her - you know, because of course everybody had their hands on her, so it was like, you know, ten people with their hands on her - and she had begun stabbing at people. And she injured someone, and they of course have the pencil away from her, took her down, decided that she had a demon or something - and she ended up in a local psychiatric unit for observation for a period of time. She was released from observation after the designated time, and they said that there was - you know, she obviously needed to have counselling.

HENRY: But they didn't find the demon in the psychiatric hospital?

LAURA: No, I guess not! So she went back to the boyfriend, and they continued their relations, and he wanted to get away from her because she, you know, after she'd given up on getting saved in the church, she went back to her old ways of going to the bars and having lots of relations with lots of men. Now this was really strange because I did later actually interview her, and I have an interview with her on tape. And I've never encountered anyone quite like this, who would sit there across the room, and tell me in just the plainest, most unembarrassed way about her sex life, you know, by going to a bar, and she met some men there, and she wanted several of them - so she invited them outside of the bar one at a time, and they were behind the bar, and, you know, having sex. And then she would go inside and get another one. And she didn't seem to think that this was at all unusual, except that she knew that it made her boyfriend jealous. Well, he wanted to end the relationship, so he ended up going to a local bookstore, looking for some self-help books, and that's where he picked up one of my cards and called me, and that's how he ended up on my therapy sofa - so to speak.

Actually, he didn't make it on the sofa. But - so he told me most of this story, and he said what he really wanted and needed was to have the strength to be able to just walk away from this situation - because every time he walked away, she would call him up, and he just felt an uncontrollable urge to go back to her. He could not resist her; whenever she called and said she was sorry, she would try again, she would be good, she would, you know, re-initiate the relationship on better terms. So he wanted to have the strength to say No. That was it. Really. He just wanted to be able to say No, and mean it, and stick to it. So, that seemed like not too difficult a thing - I mean, you give someone some therapy, find out where in their life - usually in their childhood - they made decisions about themselves, that they weren't worthy, or they weren't strong, or that they didn't deserve to have happiness, or they needed to be abused, because abuse was what they perceived as love, you know, and any number of things. And, from what he told me about his childhood - his past - there was nothing to indicate any kind of abuse, there was nothing to indicate that he had a really miserable childhood in any way. It was - it sounded like a fairly normal upbringing, so I wasn't thinking that I was going to be dealing with somebody who needed heavy-duty psychiatric therapy, because if I felt that there was any serious abuse I would have sent him immediately to the nearest psychiatrist or psychologist. So after having this interview, and learning about this situation, and learning as much as I could about his background - where he grew up, where he went to school, what kind of grades he made, you know, that sort of thing - then I scheduled him for a session. I had developed a handy little technique along the way, which I called Remote Spirit Release Therapy.

And actually I learned this from reading some of the writings of Carl Wickland, who was a psychiatrist at a mental hospital back in the 30's and 40's, who wrote a book, you know, Thirty Years Among the Dead. And he would use his wife - I believe her name was Bessie or Betty; that may not be it, but in any event, he would use his wife as a medium, and put her under hypnosis to diagnose his psychiatric patients. And it was so effective that, you know, he continued to do it, because of course he was working with people who were seriously, seriously ill - that's why they were in a psychiatric hospital. And his method was quite effective apparently. So I thought, well, this is pretty handy, and I had already been doing this for a considerable period of time. I had a friend that I would - actually, I had two or three who volunteered to do this from time to time, so it wasn't always the same person - but, you know, one of my volunteers, my volunteer mediums, would come, and I would put them under hypnosis at the same time that the subject was under hypnosis. And what the subject couldn't deal with, or couldn't see, or if there was any serious blockage, I would simply ask the medium - we'll call him a medium for lack of a better term - well, how about calling him the Viewer? I would ask the viewer what they could see, or what they could contribute in the way of insight about the situation. This was also very useful when an individual was beleaguered, or where the situation was such that I felt that they needed somebody to be with them - to more or less hold their hand. And it was really kind of a handy way because it was like the viewer went into hypnosis with them, which was very helpful. They didn't feel like they were alone, and they - you know, and they could talk to each other, they could talk to me, I could talk to both of them.

So it was kind of a unique way of dealing with it. So my friend, on this particular occasion, said "Okay, I will help with this one", because I thought this particular subject might need this kind of extra help - because since he was talking about, you know, a serious self-esteem problem, well, having a friend, a confidante, even while he was under hypnosis, would be extra reassuring. So I had both of them under hypnosis, and I was going through the more or less standard script-work that William Baldwin presents in his book Spirit Release Therapy or Spirit Releasement Therapy. And it's a pretty formulaic series of things that are said or pronounced at different times. Naturally you don't just do it like you're reading. You have to understand what you're saying and doing, and there's, you know, plenty of room for ad lib. But essentially the formula is pretty much the same: you call on the spirits of light, or spirits of healing, you know, he calls them the Rescue Spirits, or the Rescue Angels, and since his technique worked, and people seemed to like it, you know, I generally just used it pretty much as he had set it up. So I did the initial viewing of this individual and identified, you know, several so-called Attachments, or pockets of discordant energy - and between him, and between my friend the viewer, we took care of those fairly effectively. That was not a problem. And then we - I wanted to take him a little deeper to find out if there was anything else, and I wanted him to find or create his safe place that he could operate from, you know, to go into some other issues. And what happened was, when I ask him to, you know, to find the door to his safe place or his private room, and I ask him to go to it and open it, he said, "Well, I can't." And I ask, Why? And he said, "Well, it's covered with ice" - I mean, it had a thick layer of ice on it.

HENRY: Had you ever encountered a situation like that, where somebody was in front of a door that was blocked by a sheet of ice, or ...

LAURA: No, I hadn't. I mean, there were lots of doors - I mean, generally I would ask the subject to create their space, and their - I would just say, "Okay, you're going to - there's a door and you're going to open it, and on the other side of that door is, you know, your sanctuary - your safe place, you know, it's a place that only you can go, it belongs completely to you, there is nothing in there but, you know, what you what to be there, et cetera." And people would generally create all kinds of doors - some people would have garden gates, some people would have, you know, big oak doors with, you know, brass studs on them, some people would have, you know, nice French doors with panes of glass, or they would have a door with stained glass designs on it - you know, I mean, depending on the personality they had all different kinds of doors, but I had never had anybody who had a door covered with a foot-thick sheet of ice. That should have warned me. But in any event, my subject didn't seem to be able to know what to do with this sheet of ice, because of course from my perspective, getting him through the door so that he could interact with his own, you know, deep subconscious issues was my objective. So I enquired of my viewer, you know, what, you know, what did he see and what did he suggest? And he said, "Well," he said, "you know, an application of heat would melt the ice," and I said, "Okay, well, this is a good idea." So we had the subject imagine that he was melting the ice, and of course the viewer helped - assisted with this, because the subject didn't feel that he had the strength to melt the ice on his own.

So the ice was duly melted, and then the instruction was given to - you know, 1-2-3, you know, open the door and go through. Now I believe at that point he said, you know, "I don't want to do that", or, you know, you know, "I don't want to." And I assured him that there was nothing to be afraid of: just go ahead and open the door and go inside. So he went inside, and everything was fine for a while. He described a room, and it had - you know, it was like the inside of a cavern, and there was a rocking-chair, and he sat down in the rocking-chair, and we went through several different kinds of release techniques while he was rocking in this rocking-chair. And then I just felt like that - there was still something, because I still hadn't found anything that related to this particular issue that he had. So I asked my viewer, Did he see anything else? And he said that there were two grey cords or ropes, or what appeared to be two grey cords or ropes attached to the subject's feet, that extended off into space. And I said to the subject, "Reach down and take a hold of those ropes, and start reeling them in." And that's when things really started to go south. So let's see if we can find that spot on the tape, and play that little bit of a clip for you right now.

HENRY: Had you ever had anything similar to that in other experiences?

LAURA: You mean like ropes tied to ...

HENRY: Like ropes tied to people?

LAURA: Oh, certainly.

HENRY: Yeah?

LAURA: That, in itself, wasn't so terribly unusual, because that's a frequent symbol for things that people don't really want to look at. And also it had occurred on a number of occasions where there was an attached entity who didn't want to be found, and dislodged, so they would leave. But since they had - they still had a tenuous attachment, this was viewed symbolically as a rope that was still attached to the individual. So they would - they would leave and go hide, so that nobody would make them leave, you know, i.e. me - but they would always be found by these little tell-tale cords and ropes and things that were still attached. And this was something that Baldwin wrote about - so it's not, you know, just unique to my particular experience: it's fairly common.

HENRY: Yeah.

LAURA: So I didn't think anything terribly unusual about these ropes. It was just a matter of, you know, hey, you've got these cords attached - so, just grab hold of them, and pull 'em back - pull 'em in, and find out what's there, and we'll send it down the road!

HENRY: And so, let's now find out what was on the other end of that rope.

LAURA: Let's find out. Alright. Okay.

Laura (on tape): Okay - two grey lines attached to his feet, and they go off into space. Victor, can you look down and see those grey cords? They're like little amorphous smoky cloudy-looking things attached to your feet going off into space? Can we look?

Victor (on tape): Hm? What do you want with those?

Laura (on tape): What do I want with them? I want you to grab them and start reeling them in, and tell me what they're attached to.

Victor (on tape): No.

Laura (on tape): No? Okay ...

Victor (on tape): But we cut them before - once. Not again.

Laura (on tape): Okay. Well, how about this? Shall we cut them and turn them loose?

Victor (on tape): I've tried that.

Laura (on tape): But, no, you've never tried it from inside, where you are now.

Victor (on tape): I can't shake this thing off of me.

Laura (on tape): What thing is it?

LAURA: So - at this point, I don't know if you could hear that so clearly, but he said that I can't shake this thing off of me.

JOE: Yes, so that was the first idea that ...

LAURA: Well, his "No!" - you know, he didn't want to grab 'em and pull 'em was kind of a little bit unusual.

HENRY: Quite emphatic.

LAURA: Yeah, it was quite emphatic. And that didn't normally happen. Normally, if someone had a cord attached, you ask them to reach down and reel it in, and they just very happily do it. And it's no big deal, you know, because what comes in on the other end is like, you know, just your garden-variety little aberrant energy, or, you know, hanger-on, or whatever - and they generally go away. I mean, usually, they're actually sometimes pathetic. They don't want to leave the person, because they're so attached to them - so that's why they're hiding. So this was - this was a clue right there that something was going on, and he said, you know, "No! I don't want to - I don't want to do that." And then I ask him if he wanted to just cut them, and cut them loose, and he said, "I've tried to shake this one off many times before."

Victor (on tape): It's no good, I tell you - my worst nightmare. It's down here, and I ain't disturbing it.

Laura (on tape): Okay, take a deep breath. Relax. Now - I am finishing the [unintelligible] around you.

Victor (on tape): You might get this thing angry.

Laura (on tape): Okay - just [unintelligible]. We now call on the workers of light, the angels of mercy and healing and love - we ask them to be with us and assist us in this work. We ask that they surround us completely. We ask for a great crowd of light-workers, and workers of healing and rescue, to rescue Victor, to heal Victor, and to assist Victor.

LAURA: Now, at this point, what you're hearing - you're hearing the - more or less, doing the Bill Baldwin formula, which is to call for rescue angels and healing angels - and he has a whole bunch of categories of different kinds of ethereal beings which you're supposed to call for to help you do this work. Now, from my point of view, it doesn't matter to me whether they do or do not exist. What matters to me is that the subject can utilise them as symbolic figures to do what he wants or needs to do. I mean, it's as I said, the same thing with the past-life therapy, it didn't matter to me a lot whether the scenarios that the individual created as a past life, or whether they were real past life - what mattered was that they were the tools that he worked with to deal with his issues. It was his own drama that he could create to deal with whatever was bothering him. So in this particular type of situation, where you're dealing with these aberrant energy-type things, and whether they are actual attached spirits, or attached energy globules, or whether they are portions of dissociated personality - at this point I can't say. In some cases they may be just little dissociated parts, and the person becoming aware of them, and dealing with them is rather like merging them into himself. But in this case it was just - it was going to be a little bit different, but anyway I just wanted to point out that what I'm doing here at this point is using Baldwin's fairly formulaic requests for, you know, healing angels, or workers of light, or rescue angels, or whatever, you know, to come along - because these are the tools that you array for the subject to be able to use to deal with whatever it is he's going to be dealing with.

HENRY: But at this point in the session, the cords are still there and he hasn't reeled them in yet.

LAURA: Yeah, the cords are still there, and he hasn't reeled them in, that I'm aware of - no. And I was not really alarmed - I just thought that this was - you know, I had had several situations where there were some fairly nasty customers that came along with people. And they were somewhat resistant, or tricky, or snide, or slimy - or, you know, any numbers of things like that - but, generally, with just a little exertion, and calling in all these tools for the individual to work with, you get all these so-called angels and so-called spirits - whether they're real or not, like I said, I don't know - maybe they are, maybe they're not. And it was - even with some of the more repellent types that I had encountered, they, you know, responded fairly formulaically to the - to the process. So this continued.

HENRY: So it worked.

LAURA: Yeah - so it worked.

Laura (on tape): And we ask in the name of the Light and Knowledge [unintelligible].

Victor (on tape): I told you, don't mess with this thing, man!

Laura (on tape): What we're calling in is more powerful than anything that's out there.

LAURA: Now at this point you've got to begin - and for some period of time we're going to hear some little crackly, creaky noises, and little funny sounds in the background. What's happening at this point is that, you know - once he's shouted, once that whatever it was woke up, or came forward, or whatever - the individual began doing some very strange things. First of all, he was lying on the floor, with his head perpendicular to the corner of a sofa. The sofa is where my viewer was reclining under hypnosis, and the subject was lying on the floor on a pallet with a pillow, with his head right at the corner of the sofa and an end table. On the end table was the tape-recorder and the microphone of the tape-recorder was clipped to a lamp-shade that was also sitting on this table. So there he is, perpendicular, and he began to writhe, very much like a snake. He would, you know, move his shoulders up and down alternately, and his hips would move around, and his torso would twist - and the odd effect of all of his muscles rippling, you know, from top to bottom, or bottom to top, was quite unnerving. So you can tell a little bit of this from the sound of my voice, that I'm just a little unnerved at this - because, you know, usually I'm just dealing with a recalcitrant entity that communicates with me, and doesn't usually produce this many effects. I mean, I - the effects of emitting quantities of gas is not terribly unusual - but in this case, this was accompanied by these other physical manifestations of swelling - you know, enlargement of the abdomen, expelling of gas, undulating like a serpent, and just generally writhing around in a very unpleasant way.

Laura (on tape): Victor, you must ask for the Light to come and assist you, and cleanse you.

Demon (on tape): [unintelligible, loud bump] ... told, leave him alone!

Laura (on tape): And what is your name?

Demon (on tape): I'm not here to answer your questions [?] - leave him alone.

Laura (on tape): What is your name?

Demon (on tape): If you're so smart, you can figure it out.

LAURA: At this point I began, more or less, doing the Bill Baldwin formula - again. And rather than engaging in any kind of dialogue with whoever or whatever it was there, who basically told me that if I was so smart I should figure out his name - I decided I would just go through the formula, because, more often than not, the formula worked. So that continued on for probably a good 10 or 15 minutes; I'm not going to play all of that repetitiously. Just imagine that for, you know, considerable periods of time in between these interactions that we're including here, that there were long periods of me going through the formula - which is calling on the angels of light, the workers of light, you know, increasing the light, encouraging Victor to, you know, turn to the light, to make the choice to free himself from this, you know, this oppression, or this whatever it was. And, you know, lots of encouragement, lots of, you know, soothing, loving, you know, encouraging kinds of things. So that's pretty much what was going on for quite a period of time. Now - we'll see what happens next.

Laura (on tape): In the name of the Light ...

Demon (on tape): Not in this lifetime.

Laura (on tape): And why is that?

Demon (on tape): This one is mine.

Laura (on tape): Dear Heavenly Father, we ask for the rescue angels of mercy and light to assist us. We ask that you surround us.

Victor (on tape): What the hell?

Laura (on tape): We ask that you spread your merciful nets of light around this one ...

Victor (on tape): This thing's been in me for over twelve years.

Laura (on tape): ... that you draw him up into a net of light. We ask that you carry him into the light, that he be transformed by the light - and we ask it in the name of the Light.

Victor (on tape): Not you again. I thought I outdid you the first time round.

LKJ (on tape): In the name of the Light.

Victor (on tape): I thought [unintelligible] totally defeated you the first time round [unintelligible]. You're supposed to be gone. There's no way you're here! I got rid of you. I know! I - there's no way you're here! I got rid of you. I thought I got rid of you.

LAURA: At this point, what you're hearing is the subject emerging momentarily, and making a number of comments about what he's realising that there is something there. You know, like, "I got rid of you, I can't believe you're there," - that sort of thing. So there is essentially a conflict going on - there is this thing that is there that says, "He's mine, I'm (you know) I'm going to keep him, (you know) you can't have him," and the subject himself saying, "I can't believe you're here, I thought you'd be - I thought you were gone," and so forth. So, you know - me, I'm just continuing to pronounce the formulaic words - continuing to pretty much ignore the being (if such it was), and, you know, not wanting to engage it, I would ask questions. But one of the rules is that you don't ever let it ask you a question - because if you let it ask you a question, and you answer the question, it has power over you. And this is one of the rules that you can't ever, ever, ever forget. And I know that any of you who have watched the movie The Exorcist, this little item came up at some point that you don't ever answer a question that's asked by the demon. And it's true - you don't. So I am not going to answer any questions that are asked by this demon, and that rule is firmly in my mind. So I continue to read the - read and speak the - and I'm ad libbing a lot too, because, I mean, how many times can you say the same formulaic words over and over again? You've got to have a little variety! So I'm ad libbing as I go along.

HENRY: When you talked to the subject, had you gotten any information that would clarify what he meant by, "You're still here, I thought I'd gotten rid of you"?

LAURA: You mean, later?

HENRY: Yeah.

LAURA: No, not really. Because after this was all over, he didn't really remember anything about it. he - whatever this struggle, this conflict was between him and it, was something that he was unaware of at all in his conscious mind. It was, you know, total, total lack of awareness. He had no idea - no.

Laura (on tape): ... call on the legions of Heaven for the work of rescuing these dark energies from our child and friend Victor.

Victor (on tape): Christie?

Laura (on tape): In the name of the Light, we call to the higher ranks and statures of angels. We ask for the legions of Heaven to gather every dark one who has been afflicting our brother Victor. We ask that they cut every thread ...

Victor (on tape): I'm too [unintelligible].

Laura (on tape): ... of any and every dark network ...

Victor (on tape): I'm too drained.

LAURA: Now, one of the things that he just said was, "I'm too drained," and he mentioned the name of his erstwhile girlfriend. And this is an issue that came up afterwards, and has come up in other situations that I'm aware of - not where I work with them directly in terms of hypnosis, but where I've worked with them in other contexts - that sexual interactions can seriously drain an individual's psychic energy if those interactions are with an individual who is of a draining sort. It allows an opening for these kinds of negative energies to attach, and also makes it impossible for the individual to resist or fight them. So what he is - what he has just said is, he had mentioned his girlfriend's name - although, you know, that's going to be unclear to you because the tape is not so clear, and because I know the name I can hear it. And then he says, "I'm too drained." He didn't have the strength to fight this thing because he was drained of his energy.

Laura (on tape): Lift these dark ones to the path of freedom, far and far from anyone involved in this work.

Victor (on tape): [unintelligible] before; I'm lost.

Laura (on tape): Lift them away from the buildings, the residence, far from the earth's plane. We ask for the mercy band of rescue angels of light to gather and take home to the light any earth-bound spirits now freed by this dark energy of fear being lifted to their appointed place in the light.

Victor (on tape): Oh, it feels like he's burning me.

Laura (on tape): He's not burning you. You're taking him.

Victor (on tape): [Sigh]

Laura (on tape): I call on the Christ-consciousness to guide and direct this healing work. I call on the warrior angels of light to stand against this darkness. I call on the mighty rescue spirits of light to work with us here in this place and this time. Mighty rescue spirits of light, move deep inside this one and locate the dark one. In the name of the Light, bind him in the net of light [unintelligible] capsule of light. Bind him in an impenetrable, inescapable, impervious capsule of light, surrounding that darkness.

Victor (on tape): Box - in the box ...

Laura (on tape): Squeeze him, and take him away.

Victor (on tape): ... in the box [long pause] [unintelligible] the box. I need that box. Put me in that box - I can't get to it.

Laura (on tape): I call on the warrior angels to locate and confine any conduit, any fibre, any thread, any connection from any outside source of dark energy to loose our brother Victor. Warrior angels of light, please cut and sever any connection to this darkness, and lift it away from our brother Victor.

Victor (on tape): Gonna need the box, the box is my answer, in the box.

Viewer (on tape): What's in the box?

Victor (on tape): Something that's kept under lock and key. Somebody make the pain go away.

Laura (on tape): Victor, I surround you with light and love. The gathering of light-workers, Archangel Michael, and the warrior angels, and the rescue angels are all here to assist and support and cleanse you. Victor, are you willing to deal with the box?

HENRY: What's all this stuff about the box?

LAURA: Well, the box is kind of interesting because at that particular moment, having already experienced the locked door with the thick sheet of ice on it, I was a little suspicious of the box, to say the least! [Everybody laughs.]

HENRY: How about, "It's under lock and key"?!

LAURA: Yeah! But I think that the box under lock and key actually - I mean, after I had listened to it a number of other times - that that represented that one little part of the subject that was still inviolate; that it had been - he had put it under lock and key - or that it had been put under lock and key, and that even he couldn't get to it. He couldn't get to his own deepest - you know, his will, even; I would say that maybe the box represented his will. And so the issue of the box - you know, and at first I suggest that: surround the box with light, or take it away. And then he says, "No, it's good," and I says, "Okay, let's keep the box," you know - but I was still going to surround that box with light! Because I didn't trust that box!

Things were - I mean, just keep in mind that this is going on for a considerable period of time, and this guy is doing all of these weird bodily movements and so forth. Of course, not continuously - he would fluctuate. He would sometimes lie very still, and then, you know, whenever whatever it was activated, then he would start the serpentine movements again, and the swelling up, and the belching, and the expelling of gas - and so on and so forth. So this, you know, this was going on for a considerable period of time (even though we're cutting out large chunks of it) - it was, well, I just didn't trust anything at this point any more. I was thinking to myself, quite frankly, that, you know, I really needed to get another occupation, you know - I could have been selling Tupperware, for God's sakes! [Everybody laughs.]

Victor (on tape): [unintelligible]

Laura (on tape): Well, if you can't open it, why don't you just let them take it into the light?

Victor (on tape): There's nothing evil in the box [unintelligible].

Laura (on tape): Okay. So you want to keep the box?

Victor (on tape): I'll open it and give it to 'em, because nothing evil [?].

Laura (on tape): Okay.

Victor (on tape): Put the box in the light.

Laura (on tape): Put the box in the light? We surround the box with the light? [long pause] There are lights everywhere. We call on the flight to clean and cleanse ...

Viewer (on tape): It's strengthening.

Laura (on tape): It's strengthening?

Viewer (on tape): Hm-hm.

Laura (on tape): I call the clean-up teams of light to move deep inside our bodily nature, to clean and cleanse every part of him. Every cell of his physical body, every aspect of his mental and emotional life ...

LAURA: Now, let me just say that at this point, you know, I'm thinking that the formula is pretty much working. He has - he's kind of settled down, and my viewer has told me that the light is strengthening, and things seem to be going well, and ...

JOE: He had said that it was burning him, and you had said, No, it - that they were taking it - taking him - taking it away - taking away this negative entity.

LAURA: Yeah - yeah, so I'm thinking everything is going pretty smoothly, so I'm kinda relaxing into the flow of things, and just going along, and thinking that it's time to do the, you know, the final part of the process - which is bring in the clean-up team, and they clean and cleanse all the cells in his body, and they ...

HENRY: Is that part of Baldwin's ritual?

LAURA: Yes, that ...

HENRY: Is the clean-up team?

LAURA: Yes, I swear! It - he's actually got that in the book, yes. It - you - that you have the clean-up team; they come and they clean and cleanse, you know, all the cells of the body, and they clean the spirit, and they remove any aberrant energy or - and so on and so forth. So it's pretty much a formula. So I'm following the formula here, and thinking that it must be working, and everything is going along just fine, and that we're in the closing stages, you know, things are done. And then in a few minutes my viewer is going to say, "Okay, it's gone," and, you know, we're done, and we can go home, and - you know ... [Everybody laughs.] So, that's where we are at this point.

HENRY: Laura picks up her story in Part 2 of this podcast.