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Henry See
SOTT.net
Tue, 15 Jan 2008 10:11 EST
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Dave Neiwert at Orincus recently wrote a blog post describing how rabid, right-wing talk show host Hal Turner was outed as an FBI agent when hackers found incriminating emails on his server. Neiwert cites a report from the SPLC that says in part:
On Jan. 1, unidentified hackers electronically confronted Turner in the forum of his website for "The Hal Turner Show." After a heated exchange, they told Turner that they had successfully hacked into his server and found correspondence with an FBI agent who is apparently Turner's handler. Then they posted an alleged July 7 E-mail to the agent in which Turner hands over a message from someone who sent in a death threat against Sen. Russ Feingold (D-Wisc.). "Once again," Turner writes to his handler, "my fierce rhetoric has served to flush out a possible crazy." In what is allegedly a portion of another E-mail, Turner discusses the money he is paid.
On Thursday, as the E-mail exchange was heatedly discussed on a major neo-Nazi website, Turner suddenly announced he was quitting political work. "I hereby separate from the 'pro-White' movement," he said, adding that he was ending his radio show immediately. "I will no longer involve myself in any aspect of it."
Paid agents who spread disinformation is a topic we return to over and over again at SOTT and on our forum. Why is it that people are so gullible, that they refuse to admit the possibility? The use of provocateurs goes back thousands of years. Why should we think it is any different today, or that it only happens elsewhere?
Hal Turner's job was to be a right-winger nutzoid agent, but there are such agents on the left, in the so-called 911 Truth Movement, and in every other channel by which information is broadcast and transmitted. Disinformation is pervasive. It is the water in which we swim every day. The water is filled with sharks who play whatever tune they are are paid to play.
The only way to see it is to be aware that it exists and to THINK! We have to use our critical capacities and understand the system in which we live. The system is controlled by powerful forces that act through corporations, government, intelligence agencies, police forces and the courts, the education system, and on and on. Why would they leave alone alternative news sources, sources that could potentially work to unite normal people against the pathocrats?
They would never leave such channels free. On the contrary, they would spend large sums of money to control them to ensure that the only news that people receive keeps them within the bounds that are permissible in the pathocracy. Opposition must be controlled. People need to have the appearance of free speech and of a certain choice in where they get their information. That is just part of the capitalist marketplace that promotes the illusion that it is your choice in what you consume that makes you free. News and information are no different. But that means that even news and information that appears to be oppositional must really be held within certain acceptable boundaries.
That is why critical thought and analysis are so important. Nothing can be accepted at face value. Just because someone claims that they are in opposition doesn't mean that he or she really is. If they are not exposed, they become Pied Pipers leading their followers deeper and deeper into the swamp. Anger at current policies and injustices can be used and then spent to fuel pointless and even dangerous responses that accomplish nothing positive and that in fact simply make the situation worse and feed into the long-term plans of the pathocrats.
An example is what Neiwert calls "exterminationist rhetoric": the calls to violence that we hear from so many right wing talking heads. Turner may have gone far beyond what we hear from the pundits on Fox News, but he lays the groundwork and pushes the boundaries.
As part of his job, Hal Turner took positions were extreme, calling for people to take the law in their own hands up to the point of murder. He was being paid out of your pocket books and wallets. However, his rhetoric was just a bit more extreme than the nonsense one hears from Michelle Malkin or Anne Coulter when they also speak of violence against liberals, even if they claim they are joking and shrug it off. Turner paves the way, pushing the limit on what is permissible. It is a dangerous game.
And he was doing it as his job for the FBI.
Moreover, it only takes a few agents like Turner to influence others, to set an agenda, to set an example on what is permissible and what is not in terms of "exterminationist rhetoric". Such extremes can be used to justify paramoralisms from the mouths of the likes of Malkin and Coulter.
When psychopaths and other deviants assume the major roles in society, we all become infected by their conscienceless world view. It permeates every corner of life from politics to professional sport, from entertainment to the education system. To pull oneself out of it is hard work. It means being continually aware.
There are people, like former FBI agent Mike German cited in the Neiwert peice, who then call for a public airing of questions, because they are shocked that the FBI or the government would go so far:
Potok also spoke with Mike German, a former undercover FBI agent whose work I once covered. "This certainly raises a whole lot of questions that need to be answered in a public forum," he said. "There are strict rules about what an informant is allowed to do, and certainly encouraging or instigating others to commit acts of violence is far beyond what FBI agents should have their informants doing. Aside from the fact that you're possibly encouraging someone to commit an act of violence, there's also the danger that you're actually entrapping that person, which means he would get off."
German would like to draw a line somewhere between informants and provocateurs. He thinks the first are necessary while the second go too far. But isn't the idea of informants itself pretty sick? Doesn't it suggest that there is something fundamentally wrong with society?
Neiwert concludes his article with:
This deserves to be a significant scandal. We'll see if the press can divert its attention long enough from Britney Spears to bring it to the public's attention.
The answer to Neiwert's rhetorical question is obvious. Of course not.
But until one understands the true nature of the US political and economic system, that it is completely pathological, one will not realize that such appeals will amount to nothing. That is why information such as this must be put into the larger context as we attempt to do here at SOTT. Until one is able to look at the reality as it is and see the true depth of the horror, until the truth of the unmitigated terror of our situation has knocked the wind out of one's gut, we will continue to look for solutions that are part of the problem and well within the official limits set by the pathocrats for what the opposition may or may not do.
But don't think I am suggesting we need to take arms. This is not a battle cry for revolution, for revolution, too, falls within the bounds of what is permitted. One group of deviants replacing another doesn't change anything in the long run, it merely perpetuates the myth that violence is the answer and reinforces the enslavement of normal people to the pathocrats.
The first step in real change is to understand what normal people are up against. For that, there is no better place to start than the book Political Ponerology, A science on the nature of evil adjusted for political purposes by Andrew Łobaczewski available from Red Pill Press.
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www.ponerology.com and [Link]
both excellent resources for understanding the pathocracy, if one can't get the book that is.
Added: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 13:16 EST
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"Moreover, it only takes a few agents like Turner to influence others, to set an agenda, to set an example on what is permissible and what is not in terms of "exterminationist rhetoric". Such extremes can be used to justify paramoralisms from the mouths of the likes of Malkin and Coulter."
And O'Reilly, don't forget that nutzoid! Yes, people like Hal Turner, while they're ostensibly on the political fringe hypnotising only a small percentage demographic, they actually play a crucial role in "normalising" the views of pathological politicians and opinion-makers.
Added: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 17:47 EST
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While reading this I couldn't help but think of Lewis Prothero (V for Vendetta). Alex Jones also came to mind.
Added: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 18:48 EST
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A great find and a great piece of work! As always, you sort the cream from the milk and cut to the very root.
Added: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 05:41 EST
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"As part of his job, Hal Turner took positions were extreme, calling for people to take the law in their own hands up to the point of murder"
On one side PTBs encourage citizens' violence and on the other side they strengthen their police forces.
Shall we call this double game : "manufacturing civil war" ?
Added: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 06:01 EST
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... though perhaps I've been too afraid to go so far as to consider the possibility of civil war. I listened to Alex Jones for few hours last week -- the first time I've ever heard more than a few minutes of him, and it was pretty creepy as he revealed his own violent streak, talking about his gun and how important guns are, and how he'd take down anyone that broke into his studio. Scary.
Added: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 21:52 EST
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The Intel agencies are those unseen provocateurs and conspirators that see to it that we are always divided amongst ourselves. Thru their deceptive manipulation and refocusing of human consciousness via technical means we are programmed to always see “the other” as the enemy. White vs. black, republican vs. democrat, male vs. female, Christianity vs. Islam and so on. However the real enemy stands right before us but is yet still unseen because of a belief that we have that they are normal like us and it’s is our lack of knowledge of the pathology of the pathocrats, the pathology of our leaders, that allows them to hide in plain sight. While normal people try their best to just live a normal life, these pathological deviants are working non stop, 24/7, to maintain their control and power. They think of nothing else. It's their life blood. That’s their reality and we swim in an ocean of their reality and we are unaware of them as a fish is unaware of the water in which it swims. Indeed, America appears to be the ultimate experiment in deception and we are the experiments. In our narcissistic glee we think we are the most free but, yet, at the same time we are the most willing slaves on this planet and proud of it.
Added: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 10:08 EST
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The global banking elite either own it or have infiltrated it. All this nation or that nation, this religion or that religion, left or right, etc is an illusion. The people running things today, were running things over 3500 years ago. They are running both sides. They stay clean while the sheeple are sacrificed to their god Lucyfer. With the internet more and more people are waking up. Unfortunately a picture used to be worth a 1000 words, now it is useless because of computer manipulation. Things look like they are at a boiling point, but for some reason things just keep being the same. Action + opposite Action = ZERO Action. The sheeple keep canceling each other out. Either the elite will have to crash or the sheeple will have to wake up. Right now it looks to me the only way anything is going to be resolved is that they crash.
Added: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 21:52 EST
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Ra said we're here to polarize. That's our job, and it's the job of "other" to help us along toward one pole or the other especially at this particular time. Well, it sure looks like everyone's doing a great job of polarizing these past five years or so, and it's happening faster and faster.
Added: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 21:58 EST
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I think it would be an error to assume that any of the great 'mouth pieces' of the media ARE NOT in the pockets or the pay of the alphabet soup guys...
All types, all levels... They have probably been 'approached', or 'used' in some way for the furthement..... of the Fatherland.... Ooops, sorry, Homeland....
You simply can't have freedom of speech happening anymore, so you have a mockery of it pretending to be something its not. But in the eyes of the alphabet soup guys, at least its 'controlled'.
Added: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 20:33 EST
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This incident is an example of the COINTELPRO we have been writing about for years now. And COINTELPRO, as we know, is modeled on the "Protocols of the Pathocrats."
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Control of the Press
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"In the third rank we shall set up our own, to all appearance, opposition, which, in at least one of its organs, will present what looks like the very antipodes to us. Our real opponents at heart will accept this simulated opposition as their own and will show us their cards.
"12. All our newspapers will be of all possible complexions -- aristocratic, republican, revolutionary, even anarchical - for so long, of course, as the constitution exists .... Like the Indian idol "Vishnu" they will have a hundred hands, and every one of them will have a finger on any one of the public opinions as required. When a pulse quickens these hands will lead opinion in the direction of our aims, for an excited patient loses all power of judgment and easily yields to suggestion. Those fools who will think they are repeating the opinion of a newspaper of their own camp will be repeating our opinion or any opinion that seems desirable for us. In the vain belief that they are following the organ of their party they will, in fact, follow the flag which we hang out for them.
"13. In order to direct our newspaper militia in this sense we must take special and minute care in organizing this matter. Under the title of central department of the press we shall institute literary gatherings at which our agents will without attracting attention issue the orders and watchwords of the day. By discussing and controverting, but always superficially, without touching the essence of the matter, our organs will carry on a sham fight fusillade with the official newspapers solely for the purpose of giving occasion for us to express ourselves more fully than could well be done from the outset in official announcements, whenever, of course, that is to our advantage.
"14. THESE ATTACKS UPON US WILL ALSO SERVE ANOTHER PURPOSE, NAMELY, THAT OUR SUBJECTS WILL BE CONVINCED TO THE EXISTENCE OF FULL FREEDOM OF SPEECH AND SO GIVE OUR AGENTS AN OCCASION TO AFFIRM THAT ALL ORGANS WHICH OPPOSE US ARE EMPTY BABBLERS, since they are incapable of finding any substantial objections to our orders."
Added: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 05:10 EST
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Re: "Just because someone claims that they are in opposition doesn't mean that he or she really is."
The opposition is a reaction against the status quo, focusing on the status quo as one's reference point. Opposition is CREATED by the status quo. Opposing the status quo fits right in with the prime directive of PR: "we don't choose what you think; we just choose what you think about," also known as "divide and conquer."
Unlike opposition or "conservatism," which both have the same focus (the status quo), inspiration is revolutionary, alive, the future now. Reactionaries never make a difference- whether conservative reactionaries or "radical" reactionaries. If I am inviting and nourishing a new paradigm, even inventing one, I can only do that from a position that is disengaged from the prior paradigm- completely. (Though I then may re-engage, of course.)
It is easy enough to begin: "I choose the existing paradigm as the existing paradigm and I claim responsibility for what happens now." With that, a new paradigm is already in action, for the old paradigm fundamentally involves "who (besides me) is responsible?"
The old paradigm involves the consciousness of adversaries, like the FBI vs the KGB vs. the UN vs the "Real" USA vs. the Fed vs. the Patriots vs the 49ers (a reference to pro sports, because until this all occurs as just as divisively trivial as sport rivalries, the old paradigm is still the root reference). Patriot is Nationalist (always in reference to the Holy Nation) as in Nazionalist as in Nazi. Bam. It's simple and you can react against it, but if you do, then perhaps you are not yet ready for what I present next....
One alternate paradigm is "I completely accept the present paradigm and system as present now- just because it is there and I can accept it as there. So, what inspires me? What inspires me to starve reaction in order to nourish a distinct conscious creation? Maybe there are things to preserve and be grateful for, but let's start from Zero and distinguish what inspires us and if any of that is already present, great- without initial reference to what is already- like, if I am dying this week, what would I be doing right now?"
On that note, I'm moving ahead. I wish you an extraordinarily wonderful day and I thank you for sharing your attention with me!
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Taking Care, We Fare Well!
JR
www.MiraclesByDesign.com
Added: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 19:42 EST
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