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China aims to boost chip production despite US restrictions - FT

Reuters
Tue, 06 Feb 2024 10:44 UTC

Semiconductor chips, printed circuit board

Chinese chipmakers expect to make next-generation smartphone processors as early as this year despite U.S. efforts to curb their development of advanced technologies, the Financial Times reported on Tuesday.

Semiconductor Manufacturing International Corp (SMIC), the country's top chipmaker, has put together new semiconductor production lines in Shanghai to mass produce chips designed by Huawei, the report said, citing people familiar with the move.

SMIC is aiming to use its existing stock of U.S. and Dutch-made equipment to produce 5-nanometre chips, it added.

Huawei and SMIC did not immediately reply to Reuters' request for comment.

U.S. companies are restricted by Washington from providing technology to SMIC without a special license because its alleged work with China's military is considered a threat to American national security.

Faced with these restrictions, the Chinese government has been investing heavily to develop a self-reliant semiconductor supply chain.

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codis · 2024-02-06T12:44:48Z

Huawei and SMIC did not immediately reply to Reuters' request for comment.

Now what is that supposed to mean ?!?

Perhaps they responded : "Go pound sand, shills !" ...

IncenDiary · 2024-02-06T12:51:53Z

codis Pretty much. I heard about the release of their new phones using these new 5nm chips they developed, and apparently it's shockingly good.... scarily good.... or so hearsay goes.

despite U.S. efforts to curb their development of advanced technologies

U.S. companies are restricted by Washington from providing technology to SMIC without a special license because its alleged work with China's military is considered a threat to American national security.

This has been going on for a while. The whole sanctions on washing machine chips, etc because "Chinese Military"... and the whole Taiwan schtick makes sense when you remember that they are the world's largest semiconductor source [Link]

The global shortage of chips that forced several automakers to halt production has brought attention to Taiwan’s outsized role in semiconductor manufacturing.

Taiwan dominates the foundry market, or the outsourcing of semiconductor manufacturing.

Much of that dominance comes down to TSMC, the world’s largest foundry that counts major technology firms such as Apple, Qualcomm and Nvidia as its clients.

codis · 2024-02-06T15:11:13Z

IncenDiary Albeit a lot of those chips mentioned are purely commercial, and competing with Western ones'.

... and the whole Taiwan schtick makes sense when you remember that they are the world's largest semiconductor source [Link]

As a side note, try to find a list of seminconductor/electronics companies located in Shenzen ...

This has been going on for a while. The whole sanctions on washing machine chips, etc because "Chinese Military"...

The military is a somewhat different business. Look up IS datasheets, even old ones. The "military" spec. is an extension of the automotive spec. which is an extension of the "industrial" spec. Temperature range, maximal values/tolerances, and EMI hardness.

As I heard, the Russians (and I think the Chinese as well) achieve the required computing throughput for e.g. their longrange missiles by massively parallel structures of medium scale, not things like 5nm chips. Reliability and failure tolerance are very critical in this regard (- unless you sell the weapons to customers you despise ... :)).

IncenDiary · 2024-02-06T16:28:11Z

codis unless you sell the weapons to customers you despise ...

I don't think they have a problem with that... these psycho's get what they want, through hell or high water... it's crazy how people just bow and serve.

codis · 2024-02-06T17:36:16Z

IncenDiary Well, that was kind of a dig at the US MIC.

I'm sure you heard more about the (in-)famous F-35 jet than just the name. Or the average number of rounds a M777 howitzer was able to fire in the Ukraine before it fell apart on its own ...

IncenDiary · 2024-02-06T17:39:19Z

codis Oh God, apparently the F-35 was the most expensive plane ever in history and it still doesn't work properly, or something? And that M777 sounds familiar... wasn't it like single digits as well or something? I'm not gonna Google, trying to remember.... but I do remember it was darn hilarious

codis · 2024-02-06T17:51:55Z

IncenDiary No need to google, not sure they would tell you either ...

Yes, it were about 100, rarely 200 shots, until the barrel was too deformed to hit something. And often causing barrel-bursts. No problem when you shoot at goat herders with AK-47, and can draw infinite amounts of tax money.

First-world nations with proper militaries (Russia, China, India, Iran) have interconnected radar stations, there is no such thing as "stealthyness" anymore. The deflected radar waves are catched by one or more other receivers.

And in all other regards, the F-35 is even nominally inferior to previous models, let alone potential adversaries (weapon capacity, range, speed).

Its most unique characteristic, besides the abysmal reliability, is its sales price. But who cares, if you don't plan towage war against a real adversary with proper air defense ...

Ups ...

codis · 2024-02-06T15:13:48Z

As I heard, the Russians (and I think the Chinese as well) achieve the required computing throughput for e.g. their longrange missiles by massively parallel structures of medium scale, not things like 5nm chips.

And I need to add, with ICs of indigenous development and production, not from Western washing machines or kitchen appliances. Like this one, for instance : [Link]

IncenDiary · 2024-02-06T17:41:35Z

codis Whaat, I never heard of that! Of course not, I see... that sounds cool :D

even with its modest clock speed it can compete with much faster clocked superscalar microprocessors

Of course it can...

to prevent unauthorized access, each pointer has additional type information that is verified when the associated data is accessed.

I don't even properly understand that but it sounds pretty important...

eulogical · 2024-02-07T04:04:19Z

Despite the US' attempts to maintain an unfair advantage by sanctioning competitors, it is losing the tech competition - and will continue to do so.

It hasn't yet realised that China, and other countries too, have equally capable innovators, developers and scientists who don't need US technology to develop next generation products.

HashAttack2 · 2024-02-09T13:01:51Z

eulogical And yet the US universities have to have racist policies to exclude America-Asians from attending

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