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for posting this. like the bible spelled out 2000 years ago, in the last days good will be bad and bad will be good..
Police officers do actually have a job to do besides harass and scare people, showing a little respect like rolling down his window couldn't have been that hard.
No, he didn't provoke a confrontation. Have you watched the video? How is stating his rights is provoking a confrontation? In the video, the police officers said: "He 's innocent. He knows his rights", but that didn't stop them from illegally conducting a search of his car.
You wrote: ".. but it seems pretty obvious he was looking for trouble." No, he wasn't. He installed a video camera in his car to protect himself. Good thinking on his part. I think by doing this, he not only protected himself against possible allegations of criminal behavior, but he also gave all of us a real present.
"Police officers do actually have a job to do besides harass and scare people, showing a little respect like rolling down his window couldn't have been that hard."
Have you watched the video? Respect should be earned, osit. When a police officer stops you, when you didn't commit any crime, demands in a completely obnoxious fashion something from you that you know is your right not to do. He's showing no respect for you or your rights. So what "little respect" are you talking about?
Thank you, corporate thugs er, uh, police, for doing such a GREAT job of teaching me with reinforcing displays to show you all NO respect or honor.
I think people should only be allowed to wear lime green and blaze orange.
There should be checkpoints everywhere.
Otherwise, something bad could happen.
nedlud
Even though it was within his constitutional rights to refuse, he should have lowered his window. Why? Because by refusing that request, one that was not so unreasonable, he immediately raised the suspicion that he might be hiding something, whether he was or not. Why bother drawing that kind of attention to yourself if it is unnecessary?
At the same time, a smart officer would have said, nicely with a smile, something like, "Young man, this is a DUI checkpoint. My job is to determine whether or not people are driving under the influence, in order to protect everyone from the danger that presents. It would be very helpful to me, in that regard, if you could lower your window so I can get a better look at your face, hear your speech more clearly, and eliminate the possibility of smelling alcohol on your breath, from a normal speaking distance. That is my only intention. Do you think you could help me out with that?"
Don't you think refusing to lower the window could be easily considered an attempt to mask alcohol on the breath?
But the way the officer dealt with it was entirely abusive. His reaction was irrational and it led him to stepping all over this man's rights.
Great video! A good learning tool for all parties involved, if they actually want to learn something.
Very interesting comments. I lived in this town for 10 years. This is a perfect example of MOST of the sheriffs I came in contact with there. Majority of them have serious emotional problems. That county is notorious for breeding irrational, abusive, power-tripping officers.
My little brother and I had shotguns pointed four inches from our heads when we were pulled over once for driving what they thought was a stolen car. Even after we were detained, (thrown out of our cars and violently wrestled to the ground, even though we cooperated and didn't resist what so ever,) laying on our bellies each with an officer sitting on our backs and another officers knee on the back of our throats, the guns remained pointed at us. When they realized their mistake they disappeared (literally gone in an instant, about 6 or 7 units.) We had to sit there for quite a while afterwards to calm down from shaking before we could get back in our car.
Of course this is only one, but the most extreme of my encounters with Rutherford county officers. Though, I and a lot have been harassed many times by these officers.
My two cents: NO MATTER WHAT this boy or any boy might say to an officer of the law, there is absolutely no excuse for an officer to become emotional. This boy is a civilian, this officer is not, officers should know better and exercise more control over themselves. In this video, it gives you a perfect example of how weak and irritable some officers can be. And if they are...why are they given guns and a badge?
I don't think that the problem with these police officers that they are simply emotional. Their 'problem' is the lack of empathy for their fellow citizens. They are authoritarian followers that's why they are given guns and badges. Here is the [Link]to the great book on the subject 'The Authoritarians' by Bob Altemeyer. And just take a look at this [Link]That's a police culture in the US nowadays. I'm not saying that all of them like that but, certainly, MOST of them as you pointed out.
...you come to a stop, turn off the engine, and roll down your window all the way. Then you get the required paperwork together -- drivers license, registration, insurance card -- ready to show to the cop, upon request, when he arrives at your vehicle.
That's the way that I was taught. Does anyone here disagree with that procedure?
So why didn't the driver do those things? Right after the start of the video, you hear the cop say, "Why don't you roll down your window for me?"
The reason is that the driver was a jerk. NO COP'S GONNA PUSH ME AROUND! Except that the cop wasn't pushing him around. Right up to the point that the driver refused to lower his window, the cop was polite.
The driver, not the cop, initiated the confrontation. For the cop, it then became "NO CIVILIAN'S GONNA PUSH ME AROUND!" and the situation escalated out of control.
Am I siding with the cop? Of course not. He manipulated the dog to "detect" the smell of drugs, and then he used that bogus "detection" as "probable cause" to search the vehicle without the driver's consent. Those activities were literally criminal.
At the same time, I refuse to see the driver as an innocent victim.
That's a real good answer, NugaBurd.
You get to wear lime green.
And qualify to play the next round.
Order in a police state (is required).
How lucky you are!
You say you aren't siding with the cop, but it sure sounds like you are. Either that, or you are ignorant of how the law works regarding involuntary checkpoints in the USA, just like the officer in the video.
The driver's biggest mistakes were 1 - pulling over before getting the cop to answer the question about being detained (if you aren't being detained, you don't have to pull over) and 2 - Unlocking the door, and allowing the cop to open said door (you don't have to do that either).
If the driver had been pulled over, or was observed, or suspected of breaking some sort of law, the rules would be different. But that is not what happened here. I highly recommend people watch other similar checkpoint rights videos (there are hundreds on Youtube that show how to do it right) in case something similar should happen to yourself.
Someone with authority doesn't take it lightly when people don't do as they say. It's the way of the world.
Thank God this kid was a skinny white kid, can you imagine if he was like mexican or black? Chances are he'd have been ended right there and then.
Actually Luke,
You can go your own way.
All they can do, is imprison, torture repeatedly and kill.
After that, you're free.
signed,
Jesus of Nazareth