LAURA KNIGHT-JADCZYK AND JOE QUINN
Since the 9/11 attacks, no book has provided a satisfactory answer as to WHY the attacks occurred and who was ultimately responsible for carrying them out - until now.
Lisa Guliani is a former internet-based political talk show host, political writer, researcher, activist, conscientious objector, "known protester', and self-described thought provocateur. When she's not engaged in some odd combination of the above, she's handing out smiles to the elderly, and also enjoys reading, music, cracking jokes, and hanging out with her buddy, Goose, who has yet to realize he's a dog. Her favorite sections of SOTT?
It's a three-way tie: Secret History, Puppet Masters and Society's Child.
Drug ads are pervasive in every form of media. People are pounded with it from infancy, is it any wonder we have endemic addictions? What bothers me more? The invisibility of prescription drugs as actual addictions. No one sees it, because they've all been trained not to.
How can that be changed, when its clear there's no capacity to listen or understand?
It truly is frightening what these drugs can do to people. I know someone who was on heavy anti-depressants for years which essentially turned them into a zombie. Here is the kicker: for all those years they had been prescribed the wrong drugs! All those years of damage because of some doctor's slip-up! Now they have to deal with a re-wired brain for the rest of their lives.
Seeking out counselling for personal issues, I was actually offered drugs to "help me cope". Truly terrifying that those in a position to help are so ignorant as to dish out meds that will simply mask a problem that can be dealt with using a little bit of effort.
It makes me mad as hell.
Yes Timey, one of my most "horrifying" experiences of this was when my 29 year old partner died from drowning. I went for therapy and was told I had bipolar and to go on meds. It was surreal - I suddenly saw the therapist differently - I saw a salivating wolf in front of me, alert to my grief and vulnerability as a meal of his own opportunity.
I of course told him to get stuffed, responding that I am merely grieving; it's natural; it's human and for him to have the good conscience to allow me to do so, naturally.
You sure are a great thinker + writer. thank YOU!
In the fifties, drugs called "tanquilizers" were introduced, and they became all the rage.
Jokes abounded. "Mr. Television," comic Milton Berle, joked that he was thinking of changing his name to "Miltown (the trade name of a popular tranquilizer) Berle." Another "humorous" observation was, "I'm worried about taking tranquilzers. I find myself being nice to people I used to not been able to stand."
In the sixties, a move began to empty the mental hospitals. Some of it was well intentioned: People who were merely "difficult" or "strange," and who presented no danger to themselves or others, were being warehoused in those facilities.
Thus began the community mental health programs. A new word entered the langage -- "psychopharmacology." What had begun as a humanitarian program morphed into a cost-slashing project, to dump even people who should have been kept locked up onto the streets. Not to worry, as long as they took their "meds" and attended weekly group therapy sessions.
Enough for one comment. I'll join back in after a day or so.
As Nugaburd says, yes, it's been seeping into our community for many years. I remember, it was about 10-15 years ago for me, all my (Gen x) friends were "depressed" and being perscribed meds.
To me, at the time it seemed apparent that we had a generation that was really feeling the pinch of a modern society gone mad and were getting collectively pissed-off about it; we spoke up and protested. We talked about it in groups, saying: they're taking our humanity away with their corporations, systems and procedures. Well, the authorities couldn't have it; they fed us pharma drugs, and pushed us into obliging passivity. The pot and booze on the streets evidentally not enough, no, there was an "opportunity" to hedge bets in more ways than one, in the end coming out on top with the trifecta win of a two-pronged drug distribution (street drugs and pharma), and shutting down a generation that was the last with any puff (and normally wired brain!) left to understand the consequences of where system was taking us and how we were being farmed and controlled.
We were promptly zombiefied, and the old tried and true tactic of blaming the victim was applied collectively: No, it's your fault you feel so bad about the world - you're depressed, and need to change your thinking (a little NLP doesn't hurt too).
Yes it was everywhere.
Now, the new generation/s, when I speak to them - the ones I have spoken too, they believe that mental illness is epidemic, that some people are wired differently and some (many) are wired being genetically predispositioned to "depression" or "anxiety" - or whatever - and need fixing. They've been "pounded with it from infancy" (as Gimpy says) indoctrinated from birth and have no idea what's happening, and, if it's openned for discussion, it's labeled as "conspiracy".
People are not wired to think anymore, they've been rewired to suit the larger agenda; they've been zombified, and I can't compete with pharma drugs that have wired the brains around me. The rest of us can only watch as they are lead off to the slaughter, dragging us with them.
Nice insightful article. That avoidance of problems approach sure seems widespread in the culture - I see it all over the place, and psych meds are an easy out for many.
Even when people are not on the pills, it can be difficult to try to get through to them when trying to share an approach that involves seeing, acknowledging, and coping with the problems we're all beset with.
Thanks for your work, knowledge, and attention in bringing us these articles.
How many thousands/millions of these 'out of it' are driving on the roads?
..and.... Relating to hospitals how many of these 'drugged' staff are in the operating theatres; do they contribute to the many thousands who 'didn't make it'?
I found out last night that the roommate of one of my wife's co-workers is an ER nurse who "needs a hip replacement, so he takes a lot of muscle relaxants to be able to work". She says he has to keep moving all the time or he'll "fall asleep" (pass out?). Just how many ER workers are self-medicated? Hope I never have to find out the hard way.
You have never experienced a psychiatric disorder which requires the use of such "pills". Apparently you have never had an obsessive thought run through your brain a million times, making you perform strange rituals that you know are completely stupid but are nevertheless powerless to stop no matter how much you have tried. Apparently you have never felt anxiety so strong that you would do anything to stop it, anything, just to be able to breathe regularly without feeling like your head is going to explode. Apparently you have never felt so on edge that it takes everything you have to make it through the day with a smile while gritting your teeth so hard it hurts. Apparently you have never been even close to wanting to end your life because something inside you whispers every day that you are not worthy of life, that you will never be good enough. Apparently you have never taken care of someone who, no matter how hard you work, no matter how much you do, without eating lunch or going to the bathroom, is NEVER satisfied with anything you do and will complain to anyone who will listen how shitty you are at your job. Apparently you haven't worked in a system that values money above all things and puts patients last and employees in the shit heap. Apparently you could not bring yourself to get an education and become a nurse so that you could make a "pretty decent wage" either. I for one am grateful that there exists a pill that helps me to get through the day feeling as close to "normal" as everyone else; that helps me to not perform stupid useless rituals that take up valuable time; that helps me to not feel as if my head will explode from the anxiety; that helps me to be kinder, even to people who don't deserve it. This pill does not, nor has it EVER made me "high" or unable to perform my job to the best of my abilities. I get no extra joy or "special" feeling from this pill and I have experienced that "high" with other medication so I know what that is. My prescription is only five dollars a month so it certainly doesn't pose a huge financial burden for me but a lot of other things do, such as making a house payment, making utility payments, paying for unexpected expenses such as car repairs and root canals, all as a single parent who doesn't receive much money from the "other" and who is trying to raise a son and give him the things he needs (like food and a bed to sleep in), but I feel certain that you have something against single parents as well so I guess that argument is moot. I work 4 days a week. I get up a 3:30 in the morning and leave work at 10:00 at night, usually a 14-16 hour shift spent taking care of people who are never satisfied with their care even thought I spend ALL of those hours standing over them making sure that they have everything they need, making sure that they get the correct medications, making sure that they are comfortable and happy and free from pain, all the while knowing that if I go one more minute without going to the bathroom I will most definitely end up with a bladder infection and knowing that the last time I had anything to eat or drink was about 10 hours previously when I ran by the break room to shovel in a miniature chocolate bar. I am GRATEFUL that there is a pill that lets me do all of these things without feeling close to strangling those patients who are ungrateful for everything (and there are many more than you might think). I still don't get paid even close to the amount I feel that I actually earn but I keep doing it because I love to take care of people and I am able to do that well with the help of that "horrible" pill you have so maligned. I know that there are people out there who abuse things and that will always be the case, but it doesn't mean that everyone out there is doing it. I work with plenty of people who take those "pills" and they are the ONLY ones I would want taking care of me or my loved ones if it were ever necessary. I also know that there is no "getting better" from psychiatric illness. It is permanent so when you find the cure please let me know because I would be so very grateful if I could feel "normal" with no help from anyone. And please, do me a favor and get a nursing degree if you are so jealous of the "loads" of money we make. I get so tired of hearing from other healthcare workers whining about how much nurses get paid and how it doesn't seem fair, even though nursing school is open to anyone, last time I checked, for anyone willing to work a little to get what they want, and if you should ever do this then you will find that you don't get paid nearly enough, not nearly, to do the work that you do with the damage to your body and your mind that goes along with it. I am not a nurse for the money that I make. I am a nurse because I actually care about people and I DO NOT take medication to get high but to enable me to live my life to the best of my ability.
I agree with what you say neonurse - it is true.
I think Lisa is just pointing out one outcome of the pharma situation. It's true that there are people out there that the drugs are "helpful" for, but, I wonder too, as I touched on with my comments above - how much of it relates to living in a society that is squeezing the life out of us? How can we measure this too/anyway if the majority are on pharmas and HAVE been rewired.
Personally, I agree that this society is increasingly difficult to "cope" with, we are all being cornered to take meds in order to cope, and, some of us are not coping, and are messed up. However, there's an insidious design here: if we live in a society whereby the people in it are drugged up, and, in-turn then creating the society and culture that we live in by way of being perticipants of that society, for those others that wish to participate in that society (as we must for means of gaining money to live etc), they must also take meds to keep up and cope with that society whereby the status quo has been benchmarked by the original medicated participants of that society. It's a cleverly designed loop that spirals, and drawa strength from it's own momentum.
All those things you describe, neonurse, are experienced to some degree or another by quite a lot of people, possibly a majority of people. It's called being human in a pathological world. I know it's hard. I feel your pain. But pills aren't the only answer. I'm glad they're working for you now, so you shouldn't do anything sudden to upset your current equilibrium, but there ARE other ways.
The first and foremost solution to all problems is Truth [Link]Truth goes a long way towards healing, rebuilding on solid long-term foundations and learning to accept the good and the bad, the ups and the downs come what may.
If I were you, I'd be wanting to know why it is that social and care workers are treated with such contempt in the US, whereas they're on a similar pay grade to specialist doctors in other countries. How did the US wind up in a situation where so many people are on pills? If it's the panacea they tell us it is, why haven't other countries adopted such 'advanced' healthcare and therapeutic policies? Does it really have to be this way? Is there really no other choice?
In the meantime, here's something more practical you can look into. You mentioned having difficulties "just being able to breathe regularly", which is interesting because breathing regularly and breathing correctly have been shown to reverse the damage caused by our stress-response mechanisms becoming overburdened. [Link]
Yes, apparently there can be some people who fall into the trap of "one size fits all". And, if it happens here... then it happens everywhere. I don't think this is truly the case, but then I don't work as a nurse in America or live in America (thank God, I'm sad to say!).
I used to think that nursing was a noble profession, one that was respected by all where you could make a decent living and also help people improve their lives. I no longer think this and it is not because of nurses or the nursing profession it is because of hospitals who employ them, governments that 'negotiate' pay agreements with them, and universities that are supposed to educate them. I've learned from bitter experience that it is cheaper for an organisation to victimise an individual, rather than fix a problem. I'm sure this applies as well to patients as it does to employees....
In this country a recent "bright" idea by the PTB, cut funding for an annonomous assistance service for nurses with psychiatric disorders or drug and alchohol dependencies who are seeking help. They also are cutting funding for grad positions, then those that do get a grad position, don't offer them a job at the end of it, and then turn around and wonder why there are no applications for further education year, because you've stipulated that the person has to have a job to apply! Mind boggling. Squeel constantly about lack of nurses, but don't fund them; provide them with the right equipment; make sure you make them responsible for everything, especially keeping people alive and ratchet up the work load as much as you can. Quicker faster speedier - just like a machine. Trouple is the people you are dealing with (patients) are not machines, they don't act like they are in factory, although I've no doubt that managment would prefer them to do so in order to "process" them.
This is the way these organisations work.
Btw, you don't need to be taking psychotropic medications to take a sick day, you just need to have one too many really crap shifts and are starting to "burn out" (i.e. - not function like a machine).
Neonurse... i believe you are sincerely looking for some help. Write me your dob in 3 digits-form and in any order. Digit for day, month, and for year add 4 digits together. I will write back. You can also do this with your child's dob. Hugs
I was on several of these meds years ago after a nasty fall left me with nerve damage. They were prescribed to alter my perception of pain, but I was told they would help with my physical pain, which they did not. They did nothing for me except make me into an unmotivated zombie who couldn't think or hold a conversation. I had thoughts of suicide while on these pills many a time. I think they increased my anxiety level, plus, they screwed with my sleep pattern, my digestive system, caused me to gain weight, and interfered with my ability to interact with family and friends. I had trouble breathing on these pills at one point, and after being prescribed one drug while doing a 3 week stint in a pain clinic, I began having seizures every time my body started to relax. This included when I tried to go to sleep, but also happened if I was just sitting quietly in a chair. With the help of my father, I took myself off all these drugs because they were not helping me over a long period of time and were compounding my problems. I decided that I'd rather experience life's ups and downs on my own without using some chemical crutch to make it through the day. It's very sad that people convince themselves they need these drugs. The risks, in my view, from personal experience using them, far outweigh any benefits I was a medical guinea pig for two years after a nasty accident. Oh, and incidentally, I was a single parent for years, so there's no need to assume I have any problem with single parents. I think the jab about being jealous of nursing wages is just that: an inapplicable, emotional jab at me in order to make your 'point'. Again I ask: who is getting better from taking these drugs? By BETTER, I mean, who is cured and being told they no longer need to take the drugs? Obviously, people are becoming more sedated and 'regulated' and perception is 'altered' by them, but who is being cured? Incidentally, I know pretty well what kind of work nurses now do. It is far different from the amount/kind of work nurses used to do. I have two nurses in my family and I took care of patients at 4 hospitals in my previous field of respiratory therapy. RN nurses used to do the work that is now split up between nursing assistants and LPNs. Nursing aides do the strenuous job of direct patient care: feeding, bathing, transporting, lifting, etc.. LPN nurses generally pass meds, but don't actually do the strenuous patient care anymore. In fact, one LPN where I work actually told a patient: "I don't give care, I just give pills". RN nurses, from what I see every day, and from talking to the RNs at my facility, nowadays do mostly computer work and handle more complex patient care that LPNs are not qualified to perform. RNs used to do all of this work themselves: the strenuous tasks, the med passes, and the charting, etc...all of it. I know, because my mother has been an RN for almost 40 years. And RNs today are not required to perform the typical grueling workload that was required of nurses in decades past. Now, that work is divided among the nursing staff. I am sorry that you think you need to be on psychiatric drugs. The risks really aren't worth the crutch - and this is from someone who DOES know. All the best to you.
Lisa - paragraphs, pah-leese!
Nerve pain is difficult to treat. Medical staff will often try neuroleptics and/or antidepressants. Sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't and a lot of the time what works with one person, fails abysmally with another. It really is hit and miss. I hope you found some relieve. Perhaps through alternative therapies? I'm glad you followed your instincts on what was right for you, rather than what you are told is right for you. People should be encouraged to do this and definately do their research. That's how new things are discovered - not by what a company's financed 'research' department does....
While mainstream medicine (a money making enterprise if there was one) goes strongly against anything that might cause health, individuals within the profession often have very alternative views - which they are often afraid of speaking about. It tends to get them labled as 'trouble makers' by the hierachy who will then go about 'shooting the messenger', they may even fire him or her. This is because they threaten a (usually) organisational income stream. So, they have to be careful what they say and to whom. Have you put up any posters in your work place for Eiriu Eolas yet?
I think if a person wants to change the way people think then they need to start with the individual and often wait for the right moment (when the individual is open to hearing something?) and then present them with an alternative which is backed up by evidence. Then the ball is in their court. Trying to communicate with someone who is fearful won't work either unless you give them hope and light at the end of the tunnel as well as presenting it in a non-threatening way that they understand. That can be done in a very subtle way, sometimes a more positive attitude results in a person getting a new lease on life and feeling more in control of the situation, then they go on to 'fix' things that were wrong with them. It's because they 'see' a lot clearer.
Alternatively, some people don't want to know. They are like putting their heads in the sand people. A person NEVER gets anywhere with these types of people. They are what they are, and will never change. I have a very dear friend like this. I know I can't change him.
It would be my advice (such that it is, lol) to start looking at the individual and really "see" who or what it is they are. This will give a person knowledge and will open the way to communicate.
I can tell you that a few of the nursing staff ( two LPNs and a few nursing assistants I work with are driving while self-medicating. One LPN was driving back and forth to work with no driver's license because it had been revoked for her reckless driving. This same nurse would also fall asleep at the nurse's station and once walked away from her med cart without locking it. The others mentioned above are also in the hot seat with the law. In one case, a nursing assistant was paid a visit by police to our facility and arrested while she was working and taken to jail because of her driving violations and failure to pay the fines.
This nursing assistant is on psychiatric drugs and also feeds them to her young son.
Thanks for the reply Lisa, truly amazing what's going on and inconceivably that they feed these pills to young children. When I began reading through it put me in mind of George Orwell, 'Brave New World' and soma, 'The hypnopaedically inculcated affinity for the State-produced drug, as a self-medicating comfort mechanism in the face of stress or discomfort, thereby eliminates the need for religion or other personal allegiances outside or beyond the World State.' Slowly, perhaps rapidly moving in that direction. The link is an interesting article by Jon Rappoport on Big Pharm the Gov and of diagnosis and definitions of illness. (Perhaps I read this article on SOTT).
[Link]To Neonurse there is a relatively newly developed talking therapy 'Human Givens' that is minimally invasive, tries to use the fewest sessions; I've read some of the books, I don't say it's a panacea but worth a look at a non-chemical treatment - [Link]
And they keep their jobs? Where I work if there was behaviour like this, they would go through a strict review program, be monitored by their manager and usually HR or the manager's deputy and be expected to show inprovements over a course of a certain period of time. If they didn't show inprovement and the employer could show that they'd "instigated measures" to address this behaviour, then this would be grounds to terminate their employment.
The majority of organisations in the country where I work are extreemly vigilant with occupational health and safety. They have to be, they can get into a lot of trouble if they don't, with the government. It is a 2 way street though. Employers have obligations and so do employees.
Lisa same offer applies to you ;-) if you'd like to know your totem animals i'd be honoured to inform you of them..... i'd bet a canadian quarter you love hawks/falcons. Hugs
*Snigger*.. and me, what's my totem animal?
Hahaha, cute :)
And would probably like some people's money too.
Lisa wrote:
"Who is getting better from taking all these psychiatric drugs? Do we ever hear about any of those people? Do they even exist?"
That's the whole point. As with physical illnesses, with mental/emotional illnesses/disorders/syndromes, the money is not in curing the patient. Rather, the money is in locking patients into the system of "treating" symptoms.
The Big Pharma-controlled FDA opened the floodgates several years ago, when they allowed the drug companies to advertise directly to the public. Magazine ads and TV commercials convince people that they are "suffering from" some fictional disorder, and there is a pill for that. The psychiatric industry keeps inventing new fictional disorders. For anyone reading this, when you have a few hours to spare, read the DSM.
The full extent of their evil is manifested in the forcible drugging of school kids. Zombify them early, and they will grow up to become perfectly obedient "subjects" of the government.
When I go back to my kitchen to nuke my cup of coffee, it's not because the coffee is cold. Nope -- I am "in denial" about my Restless Legs Syndrome.
Of course, I only write these things because I am "afflicted with" Oppositional Defiant Disorder!
No, it's because she cares too much that she takes those pills. Which came first? The chicken or the egg? Hmm.
There is a lot about nursing that is totally shit. And not in the literal way either, although that does happen a lot too. Patients, patients families and often other nurses can be really horrible people. Indeed it's so startling that often its hard to remember that, a) some people aren't always like that or, b) if they are always like that, then they represent only a small minority of the population.
As a nurse, it's like seeing a microcosm of all different personalities in one day good and bad. The first thing a nurse has to learn to do is emotionally take a step back when a person is being horrible and look at them objectively (especially the 'behavioural' ones). The second thing a nurse has to do is NEVER take anything personally. No matter how badly they behave, they're the arshole, not you and that doesn't mean you have to react. The third thing a nurse has to do is listen to what a person is saying, not the way in which they say it, because if they have a legitimate problem, it can't be solved if the one they are talking to emotionally reacts.
Those are the three most useful things I've learned.
sassy snigger.... gimme your dob or shut the f up. hugs
What a strange person you are lindee-lou.
Just a bit of fun I'm sure :)
My first job in high school was at a pharmacy. It was unreal. Every employee there was taking the latest samples of whatever looked interesting. This was their form of recreation. It isn't just about trying to help them cope, it is about a pattern of thrill seeking, or finding the next adventure in a tablet.
All I read from you is a whole whack of defensiveness and excuses for you NOT choosing to use, enhance and develop YOUR OWN coping skills. You have them....or at least you DID -- where are they?? The EASY way out is......pop a pill.
FYI -- I am a nurse, too....and have worked in PSYCHIATRY for over 30 years! I've seen it all -- I've been assaulted, spit at, swore at, uniform ripped off.......you name it. I've had to break down doors at the homes of people with the police to haul them off because they were covered in feces and were so psychotic there was no other choice but to drag them off to the hospital against their will. The only one who needed a pill was the patient.
-- I CHOSE to be a SINGLE PARENT when I was in my 30's.....and aside from working full-time with the mentally ill all that time, I was also tending to my parents who were aging.....and as it would happen, they passed on. For over 2 years, I ''lost'' EVERY wknd of my life, spending my time cooking, cleaning, doing ALL they couldn't do......to return Sun. evening to my home to get back to my routine and job.
Was I stressed?? HA! You can't IMAGINE. I cried from being so overwhelmed, I had to give up ALOT of my life......but guess what?? Other than the odd Tylenol for a headache, not ONE ''happy pill'' crossed my lips!
It's called LIFE....it's called NORMAL....it's called the REAL WORLD...it's called SUCKING IT UP and GETTING ON with what's given you and you DEAL with it!
Ironically, at the same time, I was counselling folks who caved in because their sink was full of dishes and they couldn't deal with it.........because they CHOSE to pop a pill instead of rolling up their sleeves and DOING the dishes!
Oh...and did I mention that I also worked the occasional 12 hr. shifts on the wknds at the psych unit???
Didn't need a pill during those times, either.
Nursing is a difficult profession, no arguments from me. But that's the NATURE of the beast, isn't it? You work with tragedy, death/dying, suicides......and it tears your heart apart. But did you expect it to be a walk in the park?
Anxiety CAN be controlled.......and it's a NORMAL reaction to stress. Instead it letting it control YOU, YOU take charge of it because it comes from you and you HAVE the skills to deal with it.
When you're dealing with a major problem like schizophrenia.....of couse you need anti-psychotics....just as you would antibiotics when you have an infection. The beauty of anxiety is that with popping pills, you ALLOW it to grow into a monster because the JOB you should be doing to take charge of it is handed over to chemicals.....and in time, you depend on them and LOSE the ability you DID have to deal with stress. Bluntly put, people become lazy because popping a pill is so much quicker than using and empowering yourself. You eventually dive into a vicious circle......you lose your confidence and skills to deal with what is NORMAL.
When I was in training, one amazing instructor told me....''Always remember, when you are caring for someone, ALWAYS REMEMBER that this is somebody's MOTHER, SISTER, BROTHER, FATHER ..... and you treat them as YOU would want YOUR LOVED ONES treated!'' I have carried that lesson with me into every ''stressful'' situation.....I also have the knowledge to know what illness, fever, pain, etc. can do to a person's mental state.....and I step back and ALLOW THEM TO FEEL what they're feeling, despite ME being the object of their rage for being where they are. I suggest the next time you want to ''strangle'' someone, you think about it -- that might be YOU one day.....and consider how YOU would feel, knowing that your care-giver is on the verge of strangling you because you're SICK!
If you have such resentment and bitterness due to the CAREER YOU CHOSE, and need to resort to popping pills, then it's time to do some serious thinking.
I could go on indefinately about all this......but think I've said enough. I've heard too many ''excuses'' over the years for people ''needing'' to resort to pills for what is NORMAL. Choices, huh? I have CHOSEN to depend on ME for strength and coping....others CHOOSE the quick fix and then get defensive when an article like this pops up and hits home!
Talk about a defensive response! I never said that I was a pill popper but thanks for the assumption anyway. I'm so glad that you have never had to have a pill for anything but that doesn't make you something special or great. As far as nursing is concerned there are plenty of patients out there whose illness has nothing to do with the fact that they treat everyone like crap. Maybe you should start cloning yourself so that everyone out there can deal with stress as perfectly as you.
hats off to you, many hats. hugs
and even better replies. I don't doubt there are people who sincerely need medication in order to function, and I don't think they are the problem Lisa is addressing. I'm sorry that this article hit so close to home that it caused such a knee-jerk reaction in you, neonurse. I was a single mom who took care of my mother at the same time as well. The stress is unbelievable, but I never thought that a pill would help me through it. I needed my wits about me in order to give the best care to my little kids and mother, as well as hold down a job. I damn sure do NOT agree with giving children meds, and I switched pediatricians on more than one occasion when they suggested medicating my children. However, I live in the oxycodone capital of the US, where pill mills rule. When I worked in retail, every customer was in some state of inebriation, especially on the weekends. I often joke that the zombie apocalypse has already started, just look at all the people walking (stumbling) through the streets. It's terribly sad, and makes me very leery to get to know anyone in my town. The pills make them totally unpredictable, and because they are addicted, people have no compunction about stealing from you or ripping you off. Once my kids graduate high school, I am so gone from this piece of shit little town. You were right to leave Laura! No work, hundreds of empty, derelict houses, and pretty much everybody on pills, including medical workers. Scary!
Perhaps you need a pill to deal with the stress I caused you after reading my post???
Contrary to your apparent beliefs, what's ''mental'' about it??...... I am down-to-earth and see reality as it is and call it as such. If I didn't, I would have had my keys taken away from me years ago! LOL!
Life can be a joy......Life can suck......but you roll with the waves WITHOUT chemical crutches!!
How difficult a concept is that?
Lisa's opinion is judgmental IF you take it as such. Her opinion is one I happen to agree with....as do others.
Hahah. Lets go do some pills together blue. You sound like you could do with a break. And yes, I do find reading comments with poor punctuation and grammar to be a tad stressful!
Lisa is not being judgmental.
Rather, she has acutely observed the truth of the situation.
Very perceptive Lisa.
And kudos for reporting your astute and accurate observation.
I found the tone of the article judgmental but maybe I sounded a bit harsh myself. Lisa brings up some important issues but its all based on subjective experience followed by strong condemnations of people she obviously has no empathy for.
I'm sure she'll write back in her defense with the "sick and elderly deserve her empathy, not the drugged up idiots slacking off their jobs" argument.
Exercising discernment and sound judgment in decision making IS important. The "new" small brain simply turns those qualities into an adjective: judgmental, and then dismisses it as pathological. Big mistake Cord. Failure to reflect upon our society and exercise sound judgment is exactly why our culture is devolving into a free-for-all, drug supported, mess. Here, in this article, whereby the psych medicated are being put in charge of the care and well being of others. Now that is crazy.
Good on ya', Lisa. Keep observing and writing.
Aha! It just so happens I was reading some RA stuff earlier (Gulp! Don't call the police on me) and came across this:
"Questioner: Thank you. A very important concept. Does the fact that the basic vibration that we experience now is green true color or fourth-density account for the fact that there are many mental effects upon material objects that are now observable for the first time in a mass way such as the bending of metal by mind?
Ra: I am Ra. This shall be the final query in total of this working. This is not only correct but we suggest you take this concept further and understand the great number of entities with the so-called mental diseases being due to the effect of this green-ray true color upon the mental configurations of those unready mentally to face the self for the first time."
.... prof. corb, there are 2 types of people. 1 is switched "on" ... the other "fill in the blank". this is so much fun.... corb, bag it + pop if you wish. hugs (way to go blue! :)
There are two types of people?
Fill in the blank?
Bag it and pop it?
Hugs?
Is everyone here taking dumb dumb pills?
This was directed at lovely lindee-lou.
Silly question!
If you didn't pop that last happy pill, you'd have retained the information that
I already told you ----> I don't take any dumb dumb pills.....that option does not exist for me!
But a little regular strength Tylenol works great for headaches.... : )
Strange....I feel one coming on....LOL!
lindee-lou......I'm alert enough to clearly understand what you're saying!
Corb might, too, if he skips his next dose!
Yum yum dumb dumb pills.
Were you really laughing out loud at your own joke?
Which question was silly?
Corb, you skipped the "on" switch, again. Blue you's knows you and me don't do dumb pills (answer resides in the question itself). Corp, lovely lindee lou would name your totem animals if you so wishes, just write your dob. The universe (which includes you) would know which of your instincts won't remove itself from the gasstation.
hugs, truly.
OFFER stands for anyone ;-) ... let's relieve our mother from some free-floatin' unnecessary stress why don't we?!?
p.s. sorry for paragraph but this turned into a conference call.
HUGS, truly LLL
Of course, Lisa is being judgmental. She's observed things, she's formed opinions about them, and she's expressed her opinions.
That's what judgmental used to mean. However, as with other formerly positive terms, like discriminate, it has been sacrificed on the holy altar of political correctness.
And, yes, I'm being judgmental about people who are smearing Lisa for being judgmental!
If you disagree with someone, then why not post your disagreement, without labeling the person?
Ooh sorry there NugaBurd, i think you misunderstood my point (and my use of the word judgmental).
I'm really not sure what the writer hoped to achieve with this article, it's so full of wild inaccuracies I don't know where to start. Firstly anti-depressants don't turn people into zombies or induce a high of any kind. Secondly it portrays all health workers in a negative light and then goes on to attack them for their supposed lack of self control. Surely we're here on SOTT to support each other and promote peace and tolerance rather than to demonise. Blaming an entire industry of health professionals on a whim does not sit comfortably with me at all.
does pointing out observations of an increasing trend in a healthcare facility translate into blaming or demonizing ALL nurses?
Perhaps some should read more closely and carefully before reacting defensively as if my article has personally attacked you.
Seems to me that the ones who have the most problem with my observations are those who have chosen the path of least resistance.
I thank you al for reading this article and for the interesting feedback, which is, once again, revealing in and of itself....:-)
Maybe a few caveats would have been in order if you wanted to highlight issues at a single healthcare facility. Maybe the nurses are on more than prescription drugs if that's the case and we should not infer a wider pattern of which to concern ourselves?
I've just re-read the article and you definitely and deliberately attribute the phenomenon to other facilitities, in one case addressing the reader directly. Seems to me it is you on the defensive Lisa.
LOL! Lisa, I'm a long-time nurse and most certainly DON'T feel demonized! I was the first to say how
much I agree with your observation.
FYI - I work in Canada and let me assure you, the trend of taking the path of least resistance is
alive and well over here, too!
A hippy predator breathed down my neck....
"So being jugemental is always a positive thing?
This disabling word "judgemental" with all the negative connotations that were grafted onto of it during the Sixties, is one of the chief reasons why people don't feel it's legitimate for they themselves to have a view, and to come to conclusions and make decisions based on their own impressions and assessments. The word judgemental is invariably used by "hip" totalitarians.
Same with the word "ego", the post-Leary-negative version of which conspires to make all present "not-present". Much like brain-shrivelling prescription downers which you Americans laughably refer to as "meds".
I don't mind being referred to as a hippy predator but please don't call me an Amercian. Your way is the hate way, the way of shouting drunken racist abuse on public transport. Political correctness may be a clumsy construct but tolerance and restraint are things to be cherished and nurtured rather than dismissed out of hand. Interesting hypothesis by the way, I respect that. So much more civilised that the usual rantings of ignorant right-wingers.
sass... lisa ... highland fleet ... hugs;- )
Hehehe.. tickle me :)
Thanks for your comments regarding this article as maligning all nurses. You are absolutely right. I take medication because it is IMPOSSIBLE to "suck it up" and "deal" with obsessive compulsive disorder. Anyone who says that you can has never experienced it to the degree that I have. I have also tried all of the meditation and bio-feedback and anything else that could possibly help and had no success. Just because pills are overused and abused by many people does not mean that they are always bad. To assume this is a stupid generality. To those who took my comment about wanting to strangle patients obviously have never had to take care of patients before either, especially the commenter by the name of Blue. I guess since you are so strong and great that you have never had a patient mistreat you. Too bad your perfection hasn't spread to everyone. I treat all of my patients with respect and care. I am a very compassionate and caring nurse and I love my job and my patients but I spend an inordinate amount of time being expected to wait hand and foot on people who feel that the world owes them everything but are not willing to contribute to it in any way. This article could have made it's point without maligning the nursing profession as well as people who require medication in order to live.
''it is IMPOSSIBLE to "suck it up" and "deal" with obsessive compulsive disorder.''
------------------There's no such thing as IMPOSSIBLE, neonurse. However, when anyone chooses to cave in to anxiety (which is what OCD is!) and give-up, it will be impossible. What it appears you've done is embrace it, accept it and you're nurturing it and protecting it with defensiveness.....
The bigger question is........WHY?
A few more questions to think about -- What purpose does your anxiety serve for you? What does it prevent you from doing/becoming? What would your life be like without anxiety?
''but I spend an inordinate amount of time being expected to wait hand and foot on people who feel that the world owes them everything but are not willing to contribute to it in any way''
------------------Yes....there are people like that! In my profession, we call them borderline personality disorders. They have an astute sense of entitlement....and know how to and DO cross every boundary -- if you let them! But WHY, as a nurse, do they bother you so much that you needed to insert that comment? Patients are in your working life, not your PERSONAL life.... My guess would be that you carry alot of bitterness and resentment for some reason.....not saying you DO, it comes across that way.
What do you feel the world owes you?? Last time I checked, we're all in it for the long haul with the good and bad.
It's not necessary to address the other statements which appear to be directed to me....because you obviously didn't read my saying that I had over 30 -- accurately, 37 years -- of DIRECT nursing experience in psychiatry and have been verbally and physically assaulted, spit at.....ETC. You have chosen to imply that wasn't mistreatment, but only YOU have been mistreated. But that's okay....because I can easily call my mistreatment a ''bad experience'' and leave it at that.
Saying that ''you are so strong and great'' is again heavily flavored with resentment. You call that ''strong and great'', I call that being able to appropriately use the coping skills I have developed over the years to allow me to deal with the difficulties that working with disturbed patients bring and NOT let it consume me in a personal way. That's not ''strong or great''.....that's utilizing the strengths we've all been born with, including you. Ever hear of Fight or Flight????
I leave my work....at work! I will support you in saying that it is a difficult job....but we KNEW that when we chose it and spent years getting that piece of paper that says we are COMPETENT and QUALIFIED to do it!
BorisW said:
"I don't mind being referred to as a hippy predator."
You don't?
"but please don't call me an Amercian."
I didn't.
"Your way is the hate way"
No it isn't. Fear reaction on your part.
"the way of shouting drunken racist abuse on public transport.
I've never done anything of the sort in my life, although I might have shouted abuse at drunken racists once or twice.
"Political correctness may be a clumsy construct but tolerance and restraint are things to be cherished and nurtured rather than dismissed out of hand."
You mean we should be tolerant toward drunken racists?
"Interesting hypothesis by the way, I respect that. So much more civilised that the usual rantings of ignorant right-wingers."
I've been called some things in my time, "right-winger" was never one of them.
Niall said to neonurse:
"All those things you describe, neonurse, are experienced to some degree or another by quite a lot of people, possibly a majority of people. It's called being human in a pathological world. I know it's hard. I feel your pain. But pills aren't the only answer. I'm glad they're working for you now, so you shouldn't do anything sudden to upset your current equilibrium, but there ARE other ways."
And there was me thinking: a nurse that says....
"I am GRATEFUL that there is a pill that lets me do all of these things without feeling close to strangling those patients who are ungrateful for everything (and there are many more than you might think)."
.... shouldn't be allowed within a twenty five mile radius of a hospital.
What about the patients, Niall? Whatever you're displaying here, it's not empathy, it's "empathy-as-ill-applied-principle" - false personality at the mic.
Blue had it right. Struggle against the GENERAL ABSENTEEISM of the workplace and the wider world. Bring your SELF into your work, be PRESENT in your work, TAKE RESPONSIBILITY for your work, no matter how drudgey, how stressful, how unpleasant the work.
That's how to cope, not: tune out, drop one, nod off.
Um no offense intended but I think you are possibly being a little on the idealistic side continuing with this point of view.
Working people are squeezed beyond their capacity these days across the board, and nursing staff being even more so (along with teachers and others). I disagree that because a person feels that they are "close to strangling those patients who are ungrateful for everything (and there are many more than you might think)." shouldn't be allowed within a twenty five mile radius of a hospital. Again, a little idealistic? It aint easy to change career paths, and anyhow, these are normal feelings, generally, without understanding the context - ie, we all feel like that at work (in the system) from time to time.
I wonder what you do for a living?
Hugs :-)
and I can confirm that I have found the same at a number of healthcare facilities in the UK, so perhaps it isn't such a stretch to imagine this is more common problem than many would like to believe.
Besides just doing the numbers should back up these observations:
For the US, Fox News reported in 2010 that "A recent Archives of General Psychiatry paper looking at data before 2005 found that about 10 percent of the population took an antidepressant. Wednesday's data found that about 10 percent of adult men used antidepressants in 2010, but 21 percent of adult women did."
For the UK, BBC News reported this year "Antidepressant use has been growing rapidly for decades. In 1991, English pharmacies handed over nine million items. In 2001, it was 24.3 million. Now the number has grown to 46.7 million prescriptions issued - a 9.1% rise on the previous year.
So, 1 in 5 women in the US use psych drugs.
There are 62 million people in the UK and there has been a suggestion that most people prescribed will take at least one type of psych drug for at least 6 months (though many take more and for longer). Roughly speaking, that's either 75% of the population using one type of psych drug at some point in their lives or 50% using at least two types at some point, with a likely bias towards women.
In both the US and the UK, 80% - 90% of those ‘caring’ are women (nurses [inc. psych], carers and teachers). It is also true that they tend to work in lower paid, lower status jobs than males and are most likely to do the ‘second shift’ at home caring for their children, elderly family members, households and husbands thus pilling on the stress (the primary cause of psych drug use). At least 6% of the total UK working population is employed in healthcare and over 2 million are women. If we apply the general trend above, 75% of them are likely to have used/ be using psych drugs. It isn’t looking so good, is it?
And one more thing, why is it so darn hard to find decent information about psych drug use??? Hmm, I wonder...
Agree with submitter regarding the overuse of medicines. This has been planned for some time and was exposed in a sinister plan from a recording of a Dr Richard Day "manufactured illnesses" was the term he used. I am also worried about another disturbing (yet less harmful!) trend of folks misusing with abandon quotation marks. One previous commenter was "horrified" that their partner of 29 years drowned! Frankly, it's not just lazy writing, it's a lack of grown up writing. Grow up guys, and LOSE the "quotation marks"
where the F did this atrocious habit COME from - maybe all those pills causing some kind of brain damage. I think 75 percent of the comments AND original article are replete with quotations, all making the comments nonsensical, if not sarcastic.
Re quotation marks - it was me that stated above the horrifying experience of therapy after my partner died. The reason I put "horrifying" in quotation marks is because I was referring to the title of Timey's post and his reaction to the topic at issue. The point wasn't that I was horrified at the death but at the therapist sessions after whereby it was insisted that I was bipolar rather than simply going through a natural process of grief.
From what I remember of my grammar lesson my use in this context is correct, however if I have made a mistake I apologise.
sass said:
"Um no offense intended but I think you are possibly being a little on the idealistic side continuing with this point of view."
Just speak your mind, don't muddy the waters will all that "Um no offence intended" phoney baloney.
You're all upside-down. It's extremely idealistic to believe that you can be in absentia/take drugs and produce good work.
"Working people are squeezed beyond their capacity these days across the board, and nursing staff being even more so (along with teachers and others). I disagree that because a person feels that they are "close to strangling those patients who are ungrateful for everything (and there are many more than you might think)." shouldn't be allowed within a twenty five mile radius of a hospital. Again, a little idealistic? It aint easy to change career paths, and anyhow, these are normal feelings, generally, without understanding the context - ie, we all feel like that at work (in the system) from time to time."
Would you send your mother or your grandmother to a hospital where their are nurses who are close to strangling their patients?
"I wonder what you do for a living?"
I work in a very busy call centre-come-sweat-shop. We undertake mainly Government research projects. A lot of the time I do 12 hour shifts, and I go at about 100mph from the moment I get in, 'til the moment I leave. I don't find it stressful. I just roll my sleeves up and get on with it. I am directly responsible for the continuous training of sixty plus staff, and for the quality of much of the work that goes through there. It's a very fast, productivity driven environment. There's no way anyone could work in this place and take drugs. A lot of the people who work here, when they start, they come with the attitude that the work is very much beneath them, and that we're actually quite lucky they turned up, consequently they spend much of the shift wishing they were somewhere else. I train them against this. I train them to bring themselves into their work. The success of this approach is borne out by the day-by-day statistics we keep on every member of staff which are reviewed on a daily basis.
We also undertake research projects where I talk directly to beleaguered NHS doctors and nurses, and as such. I'm highly aware of their woes and sufferings, but... THEY ARE AS NOTHING compared to those experienced by patients and relatives of patients (who I also speak to on a regular basis).
OMG! HIGHLAND FLEET LUPE HAS SAID SOMETHING REAL!!!
And you still have time to post on here? We really are privileged to have your knowledge. I'm betting you don't really do that for a living though.
HFL, I think you should calm down a bit. This is only meant as a discussion, there's no attack here, and it’s a complicated issue of varying points of view, why push your point of view only?
As someone else mentioned, we are all different and just because you're a superstar performer doesn't mean that everyone can or wants to be same.
Also, there is a broader, collective scope to consider here - we are herded into a workforce that is a danger to our humanity, some of us are clued-up to this - even if only instinctively - and feel trapped and powerless by a system that gives us one option, that of rolling sleeves up and getting on with it (suck it up), or starve. Some of us are aware of the direction we are heading but feel powerless to do anything about breaking out of the pen.
On the other hand, there are those that lap it up, do as they're told and get on with it driven by a comfort that at least they are in a better position than those below them in the hierarchy. In my opinion these are the ones that are leading us over the cliff.
People are suffering - it is obvious. By responding in a way that denies their claims - and the evidence, is, in this case, actively pulling us over the cliff. What I'm say essentially is that, what is your problem that you cannot, or refuse to, hear that some people are not wanting to suck it up? It's really a bullying attitude to refuse to hear what others are experiencing and attempting instead to force them to think your way. It doesn't help to find clarity or be open to listening to the various experiences and points of view.
@ Sass
Good point.
But isn't the whole point of life in 3D to adapt? To me Highland Feel lute sounds like he has adapted to his situation. Isn't that good???
Sure a lot of people are drowning, it's there prerogative to find a way to stay afloat - hopefully by not popping pills. It's not on the shoulders of those not drowning to rescue all those drowning nor is it there fault.You are where you are because of who you are. Once you learn those lessons then you go somewhere different and face a different set of circumstances. Btw, this is a rough interpretation of erhmm' channeled material as told by esoteric teachers. I am pretty sure one thing I have read over and over is "until you learn your lesson, you ain't going nowhere, you shall face the same thing over and over and over again". Sooooooo, good on Highland Fleet Lute, seems to have at least adapted to his work situation and it doesn't sound like he harms anyone in anyway at least compared to those who worked in Concentration Camps. Pretty sure they had adapted to that as well... Eeeek!
@ Luke
Thanks for bringing that up. I am considering your point.
Hmmm.. "concentration camps" was the kicker.
Highland, I agree with most of your points, especially how drugs affect good work. They also do other things which I will explain.
Your hard work ethic may work for you, but not everyone can go 100mph all day. Maybe you were born with the energy, or maybe you really love your job and it energizes you. But, the most of us do not love our jobs. What you describe about your job sounds like another addiction, being a workaholic, but I don't have enough data.
Now, both the drugs and other issues that keep people productive in the modern day workplace are the things that will do us in. In the industrial revolution, people just took the crap and did their jobs- even though they were worked for too long, too hard. They figured that they had to- otherwise someone else would take their job. It took a while for unions to pop up and start fighting for fair working conditions, like the 40 hour/5 day workweek, child labor laws, and occupational health and safety rules. That would not have happened if people did not get SICK of things.
From what I see with society nowadays, people are kept in such debt, that they are working to survive (not just work to live). When we look at the top of the chain of command, we see those who lead us, those who reap the huge profits- tend to work hardly at all, or spend most of their energy on Image. This is where the drugs scare me, including recreational drugs such as alcohol and marijuana: they are helping people cope with inhuman conditions, by triggering UN-natural disassociation.
The article that Laura Knight-Jadczyk wrote on Transmarginal Inhibition ( [Link]) explains how the people in higher positions of power are controlling us.
stop muddy-ing the waters, enjoy a bubblebath. hugs / divide-by-0, hats off. hugs
Not only is the truth erotic, but it really can heal, even if it stings first. You just can’t do truth halfway. 3L hugs
Erotic? I find your comments very entertaining.
Because they always get people thinking. One can tell from the sheer volume of response. I did notice the conditions described by Neonurse, including no time to use the restroom or for any decent nutrition, as well as a very long work shift, could be at the root of the anxiety she feels. I believe these conditions are usual and normal for hospital workers, maybe addressing the cause by creating better working conditions could alleviate the problems which result in the need for prescription medication.
Perhaps the meds remove the need to address the working conditions and cut into the profits.
"I never said that I was a pill popper but thanks for the assumption anyway."
Actually you did in your first post by saying:
"I am GRATEFUL that there is a pill that lets me do all of these things without feeling close to strangling those patients who are ungrateful for everything (and there are many more than you might think)."
You also said:
"I work with plenty of people who take those "pills" and they are the ONLY ones I would want taking care of me or my loved ones if it were ever necessary."
Which only further proves Lisa's point that people in your line of work are mostly doped-up in one way or another. And when you say that you wouldn't mind those kinds of people taking care of you, well that's where you and I differ. I'd rather someone who's got a good head on their shoulder and is not drugged up to take care of me when I'm ill, not someone who needs taking care of.
"I also know that there is no "getting better" from psychiatric illness. It is permanent so when you find the cure please let me know because I would be so very grateful if I could feel "normal" with no help from anyone."
Well aren't you pretty much insulting anyone who's ever gone to therapy? And just telling them to give up because there is no cure for whatever sort of psychiatric illness they have? That is a baffling statement as there are plenty of people who have cured themselves with simple meditation and continues therapy from many kinds of mental disorders. I'd suggest you try meditation as Niall did, but you seem to have your cup full when it comes to healing yourself without the use of drugs.
" I DO NOT take medication to get high but to enable me to live my life to the best of my ability."
I think that's what you like to tell yourself as a form of justification to continue taking drugs. The point is that drugs change your physiology and your biochemistry. The more you take, the more dependent you become on them which you seem to be. So while you don't think you're getting "high" you actually are, because it is changing your mental state and how you think. And you think that the drugs are helping you "live your life to the best of your ability", if that's not dependency/addiction - I don't know what is.
"Firstly anti-depressants don't turn people into zombies or induce a high of any kind."
Are you sure about that? You may want to read these articles to get a bit more input about the effects of anti-depressants, because what you wrote seems very uninformed.
Can you point out where exactly the articles state anti-depressants causes zombieness and highness? I've looked through to get myself more informed but you have merely provided a boat load of links unrelated to the debate. By the way I'd prefer articles from more than one source - as much as I enjoy SOTT it would be good to have some balance. Anyone can do a search and post links from a single website.
I could spell it out for you... but how is that going to help your cognitive abilities and discerning skills? You should be reading the articles and discovering this for yourself. You're probably not going to find an article that says a sentence "anti-depressants causes zombieness and highness" word for word, but the info is there if you are patient enough to actually read through it.
Also SOTT is not the source of any of these articles. They are from different places and are all gathered on SOTT. The first article for example is from Daily Mail, the second is by Natural Society and so on...
I wish you would just spell it out (honestly!)... my cognitive abilities and discerning skills get enough of a work out already. You have a very beautiful avatar and name. Will you marry me?
Bingo! hugs
Lisa.. I like your style. Too few look for cure while doling out the bandaids. Free thinking is a threat. Carry on.
I have nothing but respect for those who must deal with people or animals in difficult situations such as those mentioned here. Real life is a thankless task and definitely brings out the weaknesses in each of us when we must confront it. Being forced to look in that mirror leads us all in many directions with emotion the cornerstone, behaviour the result.
A reply I made to a comment earlier got me thinking. Are we looking high enough? Who are these that peddle the pills to appease public demand for a "fix" to life as they have already done with smokes, booze, rec drugs, food, shopping, sex, etc.? Who are these who allow workers to be "legally" drugged up? What is the motivation behind allowing this behaviour? The first IMO is obviously the god of this world, profit. But consider that fear is no longer the restraining harness it was for centuries. New and legal drugs are the perfect way in the 21st century to keep the masses under control, artificially coping to the point of false reality while ignoring the unfettered powers and principalities who intent on domination of our lives, (Spoiler Alert for those into self help media) use mankind's weaknesses for their purpose.
It is easy to point fingers in either direction, but we all need to remember that no one is even close to being perfect beings and we must make allowances for what drives each of us in our own particular directions. Our choices may not be wise, but I believe if we wake up to the fact someone benefits from our pain, we may not only find a common cause but a reason to pull ourselves out of angst and revive our fighting spirit.
''New and legal drugs are the perfect way in the 21st century to keep the masses under control''
---- The farmer makes ALOT more money when his sheep are happy, stay in the pasture and don't BAAAA too loudly!
Haha, in this case the "pharma" :)
Hugs and fuckn hats!!
I don't believe that much true healthcare is being done by the medical establishment. Especially when we are talking about elderly care. the problem is worse because the elderly are getting this supposed healthcare for free at other peoples expense.
I think Lisa's observations are maybe a little dramatic, but accurate. I think Lisa is part of the problem by giving her time and energy to perpetuate this system. it feels hypocritical to me. If she can justify her service based on financial need, then I do understand.
The article had two themes to me: nurses making bad personal choices. and nurses giving bad healthcare. I don't see the larger idea.
I think Lisa's opinion on medications is too general. It depends on the situation and the medication itself. however, I do believe that if synthetic drugs were removed from society as a whole, it would be a net positive.
The tone of this article did not sit well with me at all. I can understand Lisa's frustration with society's increasing acceptance/FDA's push of medicating as a first response (vs. doing necessary self-work or EI training). However I find it disheartening that she is blaming the victim and rather uncompassionately at that: "...but I know some background to this and so I also know that this has more to do with not wanting to 'cope' than with not being 'able' to cope. It has more to do with avoidable money problems and lack of self-control with spending than it does with not being able to 'cope' with life. It has more to do with poor choices and bad decisions and lousy judgement and overall laziness. It has to do with wanting to be high all the time, not just on the weekend."
A common theme on this website is the ponerization of society and it would seem that depression/anxiety are natural response to a increasingly disfunctional society. It would make sense that in the profession with the least amount of psychopaths (Registered nurses: 91.1% are not psychopaths) [[Link]are experiencing high levels of depression/anxiety.
So prehaps instead of passing rather uncompassionate judgement about these individuals who haven't experienced an awakening yet -shouldn't we be looking for ways to fight back/overcome this ponerized system? Shouldn't we try to be more empathetic to individuals experiencing addiction or those who haven't experienced an awakening? [[Link]I'm just tired of rants that offer up uncompassionate judgements with no constructive criticism. I believe in trying to reach others through compassion and not in playing the blame game.
Guys, girls - Lisa is merely puting her point of view forward, one point of view of a multitude. It has opened up discussion and this is great.
Shooting the messenger is not conducive to discussion.
Disagreeing with her point of view is not "shooting the messenger."
Very well put sir.
hugs + hats is a blast. super pharma line (-;
the farmer and today's chicken too blue :-)
"I suspect this is also 'trending' in other facilities and in hospitals - healthcare workers on drugs."
Well thats borderline propoganda. I think many in the healthcare profession would be offended by your broad remarks.
Whats the deal with her and sass? I can barely understand them... they be crazy? Maybe they not speak English well good?
Hats Corb :o)
'Psychiatry goes insane: Every human emotion now classified as a mental disorder in new psychiatric manual DSM-5'
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Corb... you want to know your totem animals? free for yee ;-) dob please. hugs
corb that's good.. means you have something to learn (-; hugs
I don't get it. All this attention and nobody has reported on this subject which has been big time international news. What's with that?
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Thanks for the article. Here in Québec, we are up to over 14 million antidepressant prescriptions per year for a population of about 8 million total. That fact alone is quite depressing...
Québec 14million??? you sure? ... i'm here but i do totems , not pills. hugs
boris ... you need to find someone to play with and sass suffering is a choice. hugs
i never imagined that Nurses were without flaw.
I got out of a psyche ward recently after a 72 hour stay ordered by a psychiatrist who spoke to me while I was incarcerated for 20 days just before.
I lied to him and greatly exaggerated my "symptoms" to trick him into thinking I had schizophrenia in an attempted ploy to receive his help in applying for a disability pension, which he had indicated he would help with. Instead he spent much of the time talking with me attempting to convince me to take meds. I told him I didn't want any unnatural meds at all. When his praises for the meds failed to convince me to accept them he tried to scare me into taking them. He told me I have "a terrible neurodegenerative disease" caused by an unbalance in my brain that requires medication or my condition will continue to deteriorate. I countered that any unbalance would probably be caused by the neurodegeneration and not the other way around so though taking meds may help 'normalize' my neurotransmitter levels it would do nothing to prevent my brain from deteriorating; furthermore throwing synthetic chemicals into the mix would most likely harm my brain at a quicker rate because they just aren't meant to be there, and they'd have negative side effects in my body as well, so I'd probably be better off in the long term if I just dealt with my thoughts and feelings and looked for holistic approaches to treatment once free again. The debate went on, going nowhere.
I only talked to him twice. A few days after the second time as I was being released from the jail I was called back in the building and informed I had to visit the psyche ward for 72 hours under the authority of a "Form 1" order written by that pyschiatrist, so I got released at the hospital instead, though I wasn't really free because I was legally obligated to spend the 72 hours there. While in a temporary room, waiting to be admitted to the psyche ward, I decided to pace around it and do calisthenics. It was an effective way to relieve boredom and I felt I needed the exercise since I had just spent 20 days being lazy in jail due to a lack of nourishment. Upon seeing me exercise nurses approached me with a sedative. I refused to take it. They told me I appeared too agitated and that the hospital wasn't the place for exercise and that I needed sleep. I told them I'd tire myself out the natural way - actual movement - and not lying in bed like a drugged zombie. They wouldn't give up. They called in security to try to convince me and an older man whose job I'm not sure was, who tried to tell me that I needed to take the pill to calm down because I wasn't myself. I asked him how he would know as he didn't know me. Eventually I tired myself out and relaxed naturally and the nurse who first offered me the pill no longer seemed bothered and was nice enough to bring me extra milk and an Ensure (pretty good for hospital fare).
Shortly after that I was moved to a room in the psyche ward and fell asleep almost immediately, then spent the next three days refusing more meds (anti-anxiety, antidepressant) proferred by nurses and doctors, without even being assessed. They didn't bother trying to learn about me and then prescribe drugs on a needed basis - they just pushed the drugs. Some of the nurses tried telling me I might have to stay longer if I didn't take the drugs and one doctor tried to get me to take them by saying that if I couldn't make the decision for myself he'd get someone else to, attempting to make me think I'd be forcefully injected. I just refused and made it clear that no matter how many times they offered or what they said I wouldn't take meds and if I was forcefully drugged I still wouldn't take any meds after leaving, then eventually told the doctor the real reason I happened to be there, and left almost as soon as I could.
I stayed in my room most of my time there except for making trips to the poorly stocked kitchen but wile there I noticed lots of patients looked fried often. They had blank, lazy stares and moved around slowly like they were in a daze. Some of them slurred their speech. I think they were being much more medicated than they needed to be, if they needed to be, as at other times they seemed sober and coherent.
I don't know if any of the nurses were on meds but I suspected that some were because some seemed to exhibit a detached, life-is-a-joke, it's-all-smooth-sailing-in-the-office attitude.
An ironic fact about this story: I went to jail for being stoned, then was sent to the psyche ward because I refused to take psychiatric meds.
The hospital gets $1107/a day for one patient. They could at least offer less processed, factory-style food at meals and more for snack than fake juice, milk, bread, crackers, and peanut butter and jam packets.
I got around this somewhat by telling them I have digestive issues = I think I might be celiac because I can't digest grains and can barely even digest rice or corn even though they contain no gluten.
This way I was spared the processed carb breakfast foods (rice cakes and rice bread, cornflakes, rice crispies) and got a hot meal of meat, potatoes, and vegetables at lunch when most people there got sandwiches.
ballon.... i'd only charge you cause you're obviously full of it. hugs
I work in the profession and am to retire soon. Can't wait to get away from some of these
drugged up workers. They ''share'' their damn pills, pass out on the job....or take breaks to
use the ER. Half of them can't cope, are ''stressed'' over simple routine duties -- what a bunch
of broken people we have who are given the task of looking after society's most vulnerable.
I have repeatedly told my family that I would prefer to die on my couch than have the last days
of my life put in the hands of these zombies.
Great article. Very true.